P98 Tucker rezoning with pine tree deed restriction
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Okay. Um is it okay, could we do P98? There's actually no one here to object on the item. Only the applicants are there at the kiosk today.
On on P what?
98.
Okay. So the there was nobody there that's actually in the right-of-way.
No one here to object. Only the applicants are sitting at are standing at the kiosk at the moment, and we have no one on WebEx.
Okay, so.
P n well, okay. Well we can do P ninety eight. So I since we're gonna do P ninety eight though, because that was not part of the consent. Um, I do have a question on P98.
Sure.
But um, why don't you go ahead and read it out and we'll
go something. Absolutely. Did we do the proof? I did the proof already for PDF. Thank you so much. PDD 217501. This is a zoning amendment in the name of Charles Gilbert Tucker for a change in zoning from R1 Rural Density Residential Dish District to an AR1 agricultural residential district. And this comes to you with a recommendation of approval from the Planning Commission and the Planning and Development Department. And as I stated, the applicants are at the kiosk, but I'm here to answer. Any questions on the item?
Great. So I I do have a question and I didn't know we were gonna get to that now, so sorry. That's no no no, you're fine. Just give me one second then.
We need to get to that item.
So at the Planning Commission, I know there were some objections, um I mean I guess not here today. Um One of the planning commissioners, um, because of some of the objections and the concerns of this of the citizens, had brought up the possibility of a deed restriction to only allow Pine trees to be built on that property if I'm not correct. Do I have that correct? That's that's
accurate.
I think it
was pine and uh and our orange trees as well.
Okay, and and I guess limited orange trees, if that's correct. Limited, yes. Okay. Um because they had some concerns about the possibility of it being a full blown ag operation within a residential area. IE fears that there could be maybe chicken farms. I'm using that as an example, because that was an example brought up there, if I'm not correct.
Understand.
High high um I guess use ag operation, which my understanding is and from reviewing the Planning Commission notes um and videos that that's not the intent. of the use of this property. Correct.
That's that's correct, based on what the applicants have stated and provided. Yes.
Okay. So
Just kinda you know, really kind of on behalf of the citizens, um since the and I it Let me back up a little bit more. I it seemed to me during the Planning Commission meeting that
The
and m I guess minment or the deed restriction that was suggested. I think it maybe just kinda people weren't getting it on the Planning Commission maybe until later. They r possibly realized that I might have just kinda
I I just that's the feel I got. So feeling I got Maybe they didn't realize what it was being asked, possibly. And
right. So I think that the that the question, um, and I'm sure David Goldstein is is on as well, but I believe the question that was asked is could they plant p pines or could they pant plant orange trees? under their current zoning. And the answer to that was yes, they could plan it under their current zoning. And again, the applicant is here, so I don't want to speak for the applicant, but my understanding for the applicant is that one of the applicant's children is doing 4-H programs and that his desire is to obtain
an agricultural exemption over the property. And he can only do it if it's zoned agricultural. And currently it's zoned as a rural density residential district.
But they were okay with the applicant was okay with having that deep restriction at the Planning Commission meeting.
Let's ask the applicant, but I I believe, yes, that the applicant was okay.
Let me go, let's go ahead and the applicant and if if you don't mind. Coming on board. Um
And if you could answer that question.
Yes, sir. My name is Charles Tudgw.
Right.
Fine.
So the qu I guess the question was that um at the Planning Commission meeting, one of the planning commissioners had mentioned um some of I guess some of the concerns of of the residents, um, thinking it could be possibly a full-blown ag operation, where in sense it's been it's it's not an intense use, I guess you could say. Um Your intent intentions are probably like pine trees, maybe some citrus trees, things like that.
Right. Uh I don't have the land for starters to do any kind of commercial there whatsoever. Uh there's not land permitting to do anything like that. Uh with this deed restriction and talking with the county attorney stepped in during that planning commission meeting and with um such a deed restriction like that there. If I planted when I plant pine trees and I had some citrus
trees there and you say that I agreed to a deed restriction of no citrus trees or whatever, or I couldn't sell no citrus from there. If I sold one pine tree, which there's nothing wrong with selling the pine trees, I would be against that deed restriction that I'm agreeing to and I couldn't sell the fine tree either.
I see what you're saying. Yes sir. I understand what you're saying. Okay. Okay.
Attorney's saying that wouldn't work. That wouldn't work. And that's when um I think a motion was filed for us to for them to go ahead and vote and send it to y'all on the uh just a hole under A R. One.
Yeah, okay. David, can you jump and thank you, sir. Stay with me one second. David, can you do you mind jumping on real quick?
I think he agreed to pine trees and other non commercial farming operations. That's what he agreed to upon a commission.
Okay. So that would it that wouldn't have any negative impact for what he looking to do?
I don't believe so based on the description of what he wanted to do. He wanted to do pine tree, he wanted to sell pine trees, and he also wants to do other non-commercial farming. Is that right? I'm asking the applicant.
Yes, sir. Uh also keep in mind by the time the iron the pine trees are big enough to to to be sold for anything paper even. Uh as you were talking thirty, forty years down the road. Right, right. Yeah.
Yes, I understand.
So I think I think the applicant was willing to agree to a restriction that it would only be pine trees and other non-commercial farming. But the Planning Commission member who made the motion did not include that as part of his motion. That was the confusion of Planning Commission.
D Cid, are you still there? We lost audio with you.
Yeah, I'm still here. Oh.
I think we lost audio with the boardroom now.
Yeah, not sure what happened there.
Okay.
Sir, while we're waiting, did I accurately what you agreed to? It's pine trees and other non-commercial farming.
Right. Yes, sir.
Oh okay. Just wanted to make sure. Thank you.
And if I could, I'd like to uh elaborate just a little bit on my knowledge of and uh information on uh uh protecting our water and our wetlands and uh You know.
So Sister, you but you you probably should wait till we get the boardroom back online. So Just hold tight for a minute, okay?
Yeah, sir.
I know. See what happens. Okay, you're
back. I'm using it.
All
right,
we're back. Thank you. David, can you hear me okay now, sir?
Yes, I can hear you now.
Okay, beautiful. All right. Sorry everybody. We're back online now. Technology 101. David, go ahead.
So um I don't know where we left off, but the applicant has has confirmed while we were muted there for a second that He isn't he is in agreement with a deed restriction that would limit the property to pine trees and other non-commercial farming operations. But he wants to make a presentation to you on s on what he plans to do there.
Well yeah, we'd love to see it. Thank you, sir. Thanks, David.
No problem.
Okay, sir. We would love to see your presentation. Thank you. You can go ahead and start.
Right, well, uh back in uh we were in the citrus business for over 60 years. My grandfather and I'm a third generation citrus grower and all uh there in Land O' Lakes and all, but uh back in '96, Working with the USDA and University of Florida and the Extension Office along with the Extension Office here in Pasco County. uh and ordered um for a presentation with working with the
nineteen ninety six farm bill. This is a picture of our grove and my dad kneeling by a lake and it we made a video. Unfortunately is back on in VHS. So I have no way of doing the video, but it was work it was in connection with the farm bill of making buffers to keeping the of working between the keeping the nutrients from the fertilizers and the um herbicides and any
spray uh pesticides like that that were in the grove. Away from any natural resources of water and lakes and ponds. And we in this picture. And all like that there. You can see how we have a a bumper zone around on the back side is our grove back here. And you can see how much
Oh how, how? important that is, I I I understand and do and I practice that all the time. I have no desire to go back into the commercial business like we were then, but I do have this knowledge of keeping anything away from any water or wetland. And that's pretty much everything that borders the back side of my property.
Okay. Excellent. Thank you. So go Oakley, you know, Commissioner Oakley, you probably know a little bit about the citrus business, don't you sir? Just just a little bit, right? Great. Well thank okay. So do we have any other questions for the applicant? It seems so you're okay with what Mr. Goldstein said, you know, just just to Obviously make the uh the neighborhood feel, you know, comfortable um that there's not gonna be a high end, you know, big commercial operation, ag operation. You're okay with those deed restrictions that Mr. Goldstein stated?
Yeah.
You're right. Okay. Okay, great. Any other questions? Any questions? Comments? Okay. So i if the board's okay with it. I think we're just the motion would me to need a pad. the deed restriction. as David Goldstein stated, if you guys are okay with it. Because the applicant's okay with it. So if somebody wants to make the motion. Any public
Do we have anybody signed up yet? I mean before a second ago we didn't. Did anybody come on WebEx?
No, no one um came on Webex before P ninety eight.
Did anybody come? To the kiosk and objection. Is there anybody there?
Right.
No one else is at the kiosk.
Okay, great.
Mr. Chairman Move approval with the deed restriction of limiting pine trees and other non commercial operations. Okay.
Second.
I
have
a motion and a second.
All in favor? Oh just just for clarification. So the the motion is contingent upon the the The approval is contingent upon The applicant recording a deed restriction and providing that to staff. And
yeah,
as
as David, what David stated, what they stated they agree on. Yeah. Correct.
And typically the zoning will not take effect until such time as that deed restriction is recorded with the county and provided to the planning and development department, which is part of the typical deed restriction.
Okay. Everybody's good with that? Yeah. All right. All in favor? Aye. Aye. All opposed? Same sign. Motion passes. Thank you all. Have a great day. day.
Okay.
No no I'm not saying have a great day as in we're leaving. Okay. I was I was telling the applicant in his family to have a great day. As they walked, okay. Oh, is that Todd? That's so funny.