P95 Coolwood and Kyle Drive paving assessment
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Yes, sir. Um in S call the public works, I have a PowerPoint.
Next slide, please. This is item number PW21-004, Coolwood Drive and Cal Drive, PVAS number 3315. There are two streets involved with this project, counter-maintained, unpaved. The estimated cost for the project is just about $263,500. Maximum cost per ERU is $8,623. The discounted amount is $65,884 and the maximum cost per ERU after the discount
is $6,467. Next slide, please. I bet not. Uh in terms of the number of votes, there are forty-eight possible votes, we got thirty back, thirty responses, which um is about sixty-three percent. In terms of the yes votes, we had 18, which uh represents 60% of the votes in favor, and 12. Which is four percent of the votes which were against. Um the annual installation is about 10 year period. The interest
rate as noticed was five percent, but you know, we'll bring it back when we bring back if this is approved and we bring it back to the board for the final um roll, we'll request 3.25%. Next please.
Uh this is the location map. Fort King is the extreme on the on the left. Next. Next slide, please. Yes. Um just two photographs of the existing road condition. These are on paved road. Next, please.
And that's it, sir.
Thank you, sir. Any questions before I go to public comment? Commissioner Mariano.
Just because we're pulling it, we're having a separate discussion on it, what would keep us from just making that three point two five motion?
I I think we go back to the last statement he made before was it was their Wish to br when we bring it back to go to the three point two five. That's correct. I don't know if I'd I I understand what you said, but we wouldn't stay consistent. Okay. Probably best. Yeah. Make sure it's noted and I'm sure your office will make sure Commissioner Mariano knows when that's gonna come back. Sure. Ahead of time. So he can be
Um let's go ahead and go to public comment. Um Webex.
We have one person. Amy Bennett is in WebEx.
Okay. Hi, Miss Bennett. Um, name and address for the record and if you've been sworn, please.
I have not been sworn that I know what I signed up for WebEx. That was it. Okay.
That's okay. Um, so do your name and address for me first and then we'll
have you
sworn in.
My name is Amy Bennett. My address is [address removed]
Okay. And if you just raise your right hand the the clerk's gonna swear you in.
Okay.
Good afternoon. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth, so help you God.
Yes, I do.
All right, thank you ma'am. And uh you may begin your comments.
Okay. Um this this was all pushed along very fastly. My main concerns are um the first one is, yes, um I've been speaking back and forth with Mr. Caldwell, um Uh 30 were received back. However, there were missed deliveries and 18 people was not confirmed that they even received the um the mailings because the certified copies weren't even, you know, the little papers weren't even mailed back to them. mailed back to the office. So I am I wanted to go door to door, but with the COVID. I
don't know my neighbors all around here, so I didn't. Um, but my my issue is uh I I believe that a lot of people didn't get the original ballots, first off. Um, I know that's been a lot of opp opposition for that to happen around here. My other main concern is um my road is Winton Drive. And the the the the seg section of cool wood that I'm getting assessed for is actually like about 20, little about about a little bit above more than 20 feet. below
my property line. It's like I have a cliff that I I have never had access to it. We've been here since eighty three. never had access to it. Um I use Winton Drive, which leads directly to uh Fort King. I have no access and I don't think it's also fair besides the weirdness of not people getting not getting their petitions. I also don't agree with me having to pay for a road that's literally inaccessible to me. Um it's my property is on a hill and this it's a big cliff going down.
So Those are at this point I only get three minutes, but I guess that's all I get for now. I haven't had time to do research. I w I was looking for old um commu county commissioners meetings, but they only go back to eighty-three, I guess, unless I go into the archives from 78. such like that from when the property next door was bought 'cause um sometime around there. Um, when Mr. Classic sold all this area into parcels a long time ago, um What I've heard from my neighbor who's been here since the
mid seventies said um there was a meeting that the county commissioners got together and said the roads were ever paved, then they would pay for it. The county would. So I haven't had time to have research. I haven't had time to do a lot. And I think that the the original petition was mismailed or people didn't get it. Thus when we had the first PBAS meeting on um, I think it was October twenty first, there were only like a couple of attendees there. Okay. And And
yeah, it it's it's getting more elaborate. I sent you I forwarded the emails to you, but um I just don't think it's fair.
Right. Thank you, ma'am. And now we have um Nobody else have WebEx, but we have six people at the kiosk. Do we have any emails? No
emails for a P95.
Okay. So if we could bring up the kiosk. And uh while we're bringing those people up, I just have a question for you. So the last um speaker mentioned that she does not have access to that road.
She has access there's secondary access to cool cool wood. So she's on Winton and her property extends from Winton to Coolwood. So it's second.
I mean I I bring this up because there's been circumst instances in the past where we've had residents that do not have access. They don't use that access.
You know. And if they're not gonna use that road, I I do have some questions.
So the ordinance requires if you have secondary access, you'll be assessed at 50%. If there's a deed restriction on your not use and access.
Show me your show me uh if we could where her home is. It's Winton. She's on Winton.
Winton. Winton run north-south. You see the pink part. parcels to the right of the road, uh um Coolwood. That straight line going north-south. Pink parcels to the north part, the top of the the the map. That's Winton.
Okay. So I'm gonna
Mommy, go for it, I can maybe point.
Yeah, I'm uh so I can I make I'm just gonna make an assumption and and and uh c I know Commissioner Oakley knows this area very well. Um I'm gonna make an assumption that she's going to go out on Fort King to go where she's going on a daily basis.
This one.
With the Martin. That's we thought.
Okay. So she has so her access to Fort King, she would not need to take Cool wood drive. Anywhere. For I mean unless he's visiting a neighbor.
Fort King, as you come out of Winton, turn on Kissock, down Coolwood, along Kyle and on to Fort King.
There's you're telling me there's no access to from Wenton Drive to Fort King?
From Winton Drive. There's no direct access there. circuitously to get there.
So Winton does not Winton Winton is a dead end?
Winton goes up on but on Kissuk. You either turn right and kiss or can go. Or you turn left, come down on Coolwood and go um east and get to Fort King.
Hmm.
So Wenton again, so Wenton does not connect to Fort King?
That's correct.
So there's a Blockade there or something.
I was gonna say m m Mr. Chairman M Did to do the map wrong because that map is going right to four ten. ten. Going across.
There it doesn't there's no right way going through there.
There's no runner going through, huh? So somehow it's blocked.
So Winton goes that way and also goes east west and north south? Winton
goes east-west. Sorry, goes north-south. Kiss up. So goes east-west.
So we're looking at the map right now and it shows that it does have access to Fort King. It's goes east west, yeah. So So Google, can we do Goco Earth? Can we can we do the satellite? Do you have the satellite on there? Yeah, so here we have.
Commissioner, I'm looking at the aerial and you look at the aerial? Looks like to me that's a dirt road. Yeah, it does look like a private dirt road that just fourteen From the from our our GIS mapper. But again, it's hard to tell without being out there on the field and seeing what the actual access rates are from the various property owners.
Yeah.
Commissioner Oakley, do you know that, Rogue? I can't I'm lost from this map myself.
Well that's trees. You
put that map back up.
That's just very strange movement. Well there has to have me something there. Mm-hmm.
Hey. Commissioner Yeah The issue here is she's got secondary access to Cool Wind. She gets a lesser charge. Well, so she gets a lesser charge. It's already a fifty percent assessment. If it was deed res or if there was some kind of access restriction where she could not come in and get access to Cool Win by building it, then I think it would go to zero.
Then she wouldn't have any.
Then she it would go to zero. There'd be no assessment. Right. Uh even I know there sounds like there's a great issue out there. But you can overcome great issues if if you want to. So That's I think historically how we've done those secondary accesses is If there's a some kind of restriction where they don't have legal access, then it would go to zero. But she still does have legal access to that
right away. What to uh twenty five percent or fifty percent? It's fifty percent. It's fifty percent.
Oh, there's a church out there too?
No, there's the church. Yeah.
That's There's not a church.
Not included in the assessment.
Okay.
Yeah, I'm looking at a church that right next to Fort King. between Fort King and um and Cool it'll drive. It's right on the map. Doing an aerial view of it right now.
There's
Kyle. But there's property between it.
Fairview Heights is a dirt road.
Well let's go ahead and move forward public comment because I know we have people at the kiosk waiting. And if the first person could come up to the kiosk, if we could put them on camera.
There we go. Hi hi hi sir. Um name and address for the record and and um if you've been sworn.
My name is Daryl Durette. I live at [address removed]. Uh I had been torn in.
Thank you, sir.
Okay. I just have a couple of concerns for the the project. Uh the cool side, I don't think you guys are familiar with it, but there is quite the canopy of trees in there. Um Uh Miss Bennett is right. There is probably a twenty foot uh ditch that they it used to be an old railroad track. So it's probably a twenty foot ditch. Uh the county does not take very good care of the wood line in there. There's probably thirty to forty dead trees ready to fall now that they just don't cut out for whatever reason. Um I would like to know
if this project, if they're going to take care of all that and get all that cleaned up. Um the water runoff is is quite severe coming down uh the Kyle Road section of it. Uh we've been there since seventy six, so it I would like to make sure that they have taken all that into consideration because It there's a lot of water that comes down that road. Um Those are my main two concerns. I am for the paving of the road. We've been there a long time, so
Sure, what we'll do is we're gonna take all the questions and concerns and we'll answer them all together. Thank you so much. Thank you. I appreciate I appreciate you. Um Whoever's next, please.
Um hi sir. Good afternoon. Um even address for the record?
I have been sworn in. My name is Clay Dorrett. We bought the first house in that subdivision back forty-five years ago, where we bought the land and built the house for about forty-five years ago. And at that time we were told by the developer who happens to be a county commissioner at the time that the road would be paved within two years. This is, you know, forty five years later and we're still waiting for it to be paid and I would I would like to commend y'all for moving forward
on the project to get the road paved and let's please proceed and get it paved. We we'd been paying taxes on that property for 45 years. And we've more than paid enough. pay for it several times plus the cost of maintenance alone. You could have paid for it three or four times. Okay, I and I appreciate the overline you do.
Oh, thank you, sir. Hey uh c I'm sorry, sir. Can I have your address too, please?
[address removed].
Okay. Thank you so much.
And must say, over the period of years, I can remember when there would be holes three feet deep, three feet wide in my driveway going up to my property. So I would you know so we poured a concrete slab forty feet long so the water would not run down the that way. I would and I would hope. But once we y'all finish the the road will be in better shape than than it has been. revert back to what it was forty five years ago.
Yeah. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, sir. We appreciate it.
Um next please.
Hey sir, how you doin'?
Okay, great. My name is Larry Lewis. I live at [address removed] And I was the petitioner that started this here project three years ago. I wanted you to know that uh at the county they had to come in there and spend six months. On Coolwood and Cow. resurveying all damn roads and stuff to c to bring em up to coat. And uh appreciate uh Mr. Amesley
and his team. I've talked to him personally. about this project. And uh for the engineering department that came over there, they actually came out there and they told me that the way the road was wish washing across the road and everything, th they was gonna put these uh drop diges and down uh Kyle. to to slow that water flow down to come off that hill. And when plus when it gets down to Coolwood it wanted to cut straight across the road.
And so They said that they would try to get this all fixed at one time when they do The uh blacktop job. On the road. And uh so I just wanted to come and as you know I appreciate that it took s it's been three years in the process. And uh hopefully we can get this uh these problems resolved.
Well well thank you sir for your comments. And sir, were you sworn earlier today? Were you sworn in when you came in?
No.
Oh, okay, sorry. We're gonna have to swore again. Oh real quick. And let's let's go ahead and if there's anybody else in that room that's speaking that hasn't been sworn in, um if you don't mind just coming up to the camera.
Oh okay, okay, great. Well thank you so much. Okay. You're good. All right, have a great one. That's funny. I like it. Sorry to think about it. I'm with you.
Customer.
Um yes. Hi, how are you?
I'm very well, thank you. How are you?
I'm good. Thank you, ma'am. Uh name and address for the record and if you've been sworn, please.
I have been sworn Jackie Clark, [address removed].
All righty, thank you.
Okay. Mr. Chairman and Fellow Commissioners, on behalf of our community on Kyle and Coolwood Drive, we are here and there are several of us waiting. to show our support and favor of the paving project 3315.
in Zephyrhills. It has been an ongoing request for the past forty years of those of us who have lived on or near the adjoining roads When Lowe's, Walmart, and the public shopping center came in the trap in to the area the traffic more than tripled through our area. It was a cut through from 301 to Fort King. creating an abundance of dust large po uh potholes,
unpassable terrain, with some driveways unable to even get to the roads in question. We are grateful to our neighbor Larry Lewis who has been willing and relentlessly working for the past three years to get this project to you, the Pasco County Commissioners, for a favorable vote. And I ask at this time that you please allow us to have a safe and secure road by voting yes to
PBAS3315.
Thank you, ma'am.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Good job.
I want to still work. And I think we have some more people that are w wanting to speak.
Somebody else can
Hi. Hi.
Hello ma'am. Name and address and if you've been sworn, please.
Yes, I have, and my address is uh [address removed]. And my name is Lou Hubble. And I I have lived on uh North Side Drive for forty years. and actually were landlocked to get to Cool Kyle Coolwood and Kyle. So I have no choice but to travel those roads. And for forty years I've done that and I've eaten a lot of dust. And having it's not funny,
honey. I'm telling you. But anyway I'll I am so in favor of getting our roads paid. And uh I believe that uh our tax dollars after forty years should help pay for some of it and I'm willing to help pay for some of it too. Just let's get it done. Uh we've been promised this for over forty years. So I would like to I'm very much in favor of it. and it would be so good for our environment and uh health reasons.
And also keep your car. You can't keep your car clean. uh five minutes you go on that road and you're eating dust and your car looks terrible. That's just a minor thing, but it's something that I think most people like a nice clean car. Anyway, thank you very much. And I want to thank Larry Lewis for getting this going and uh the hard work he's put in and uh wish you all a safe day and thank you very much for listening.
Yeah, thank you, ma'am.
Thank you.
That's awesome.
Anybody else?
Hi, sir. Uh name and address for the record and if you've been sworn, please.
Right,
little one. see it's overpassing.
That's what you're talking about.
Thank you for this opportunity to address the commission. I'm Al Hubble. I've lived on North Side Drive off of Coolwood for 40 years. I only want to say um wholeheartedly in favor of this project. I think it's worthwhile and beneficial for everybody. Also appropriate.
County's been collecting taxes there for over fifty years. And uh Actually uh little two old, especially Kyle. or a dusty washboard ninety nine percent of the time.
I appreciate ya. You've already got a lot of Time and energy invested in engineering a survey Yeah, preparatory work. So well I would urge you to carry through and let's see this project to finish. And thank you.
Hey, real quick question, you were sworn in, right, sir? Smoke. You you were sworn in, sir? You didn't swear in earlier. I'm
sorry.
He's asking if you're sworn in.
Yes, I was. Okay. Thank you, sir. Oh he he did his address. Oh, can you give me the full address? I heard of the address.
Can you give him your full address?
My address [address removed].
Okay. Thank you, sir.
Everybody.
Thank you. Appreciate it.
Do we have anybody else?
Yeah.
That's it.
Okay, well thank you so much. All right. Thanks for everybody that's came out and spoke. So mr Mr. Caldwell, so there was a there was a few um questions there. Um and I want to add one if that's okay, because this is just something I've thought about. This is just something I've thought about in the uh Yeah, when I'm done.
Okay.
That's uh That's good. Give me one
second.
There was a c another question I wanted to add to those questions. When we people are paying for these roads and they do the P Bass, is there not a way for us to maybe stop through traffic from going through or maybe putting up signs, no through traffic.
No. Well,
I mean
I mean during the process we always maintain uh the flow of traffic. So we may have only one lane open. Well, this is an unpaved road, but you know, we'd have one lane open so that there's always flow.
I I get okay, let me let me let me back up. So Since these are the right-of-way. private roads. These
are not private roads.
But they're maintained, but they're paying for the for the paving. Um, you know, some concerns I've heard in the past are, you know, obviously the trucks that are coming through and the semis that are cutting through or or any type of of I cut through constant traffic.
He cuts through.
I cut
through.
Oh, you cut through. Oh okay. I'll I'll explain. Um Um other t instances where we've maybe put up like no through traffic signs or no trucks or th anything like that to I would
have to check with a
couple of less wear and tear the truck for some of these roads that the residents are paying for.
I'll I'll check with the traffic department. I'm I'm not familiar with the requirements of installing that sign.
Okay. Okay. I I I just you know, I get concerned when we have some of these residents that are sitting there paying for these roads themselves and then we have people cutting through on a constant basis. Um I I see it where I live and I pay for through a C D D I pay for my road. The county doesn't spend one dime on it. Like when I say want one dime, not one penny on it, we pay a hundred percent to maintain those roads and There's always traffic cutting through. I don't think there should be, but that's my opinion. Commissioner
Oakley.
So you s you see the map how there is and and the north end of the where it's don't be paved to.
Yeah.
That's the start of Cossack Road. It goes goes to the east to 301.
Mm-hmm.
And it's a cut through from Fort King over to three oh one to where The shopping center is Walmart, Lowe's, everything's over there, the public's. And this being paved is great. But eventually you see Cossack Road is this one on the north side of this project.
Yep.
That comes from Overpass Road, when it comes through Watergrass, crosses Hancourt onto Fairview Heights, and eventually cuts across and connects to this road. I'd love to see that done right away. Yes. So but that's that's what's happening in the future. that's going to connect to this road.
A cosic.
But it's it is a cut through and a lot of people use it.
So that's that's why I asked us, and this is this just not on this project, but uh additional projects as well as well. You know. If we're we as a county Or not You know, obviously we're we're Let's just be honest, we're not really maintaining, we're filling potholes. So but we're not resurfacing the roads. We're not repaving the roads, but you know, we're actually how we're developing what Commissioner Oakley just stated, we're actually, in a sense, driving more traffic through there. By
the development in the connecters. And he said that's Commissioner Starkey's picture. It's gonna be an arterial road. So now we're actually pushing more traffic through there. I mean, you know, I mean I'm this is A I'm not asking to answer this question by any means, 'cause this is a policy decision. But Mr. Chairman,
there there
is
a question that Ainsley can answer and and I thought that there was part of the methodology that that you when you did your assessment that if it was a cut through road, the county paid more Of that percentage.
Yes. And the challenge is this in terms of the ordinance, it says a road that functions as a cut through. And the problem here is that we have three roads. We have Kyle Coolwood and Cossack that function as the cut through. So it's not just one road connecting these two arterials, but three roads. Okay. So that is where the technicality in the ordinance comes about. Mm-hmm.
But is that not a technicality that Yeah, we're calling it technicality, but there's that there's there's nothing we can do about that, like Mr. Sneicher just stated. You know, if the force traffic you know, by what we're allowing to happen when it comes, i.e., development or additional roads and connections connections.
I I just I just hate to put I just hate to put a a a larger burden on the residents that are actually making this investment themselves when They're obviously not the only ones that are driving on the red. I mean I I'm supporting I wanna see this paid, but I just don't I just don't feel that if we're gonna be allowing and approving certain development, that they should have to burden so much of the cost. That's that's
Well that you gotta realize this this is not a subdivision within boundaries and all like you're saying. subdivision and you're you pay for your road and all. This is actually in a rural area where where it's starting to build up on the other side of it. And These roads have been terrible. Sure. They need to have been paved a long time ago, like a lot of roads in these past. Sure, we all
agreement with that.
This is gonna be a great help, but there's still a section on Cossack. When you go down and turn on Cossack from there. To where it goes to the backside of Lowe's from 301. It's still dirt and it's still a terrible road.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Well. Yeah.
But I mean I I don't know uh does anybody else understand when I'm where I'm when I'm going and where I'm getting at the
gate at one of the entrances so it's a People can't cut through.
Well
indirectly.
Yeah.
I mean this is the way traffic flows in that area. Wow.
But I agree and I get it. But again now we're d what you just stated a second ago, there's gonna be additional traffic that's going to be going through there.
Well we have a lot of roads like this in East Pasco. They're cut through from Fort King over to 301, several of them down through there. That are Catharus. I know. their dirt just like this has been and wash stay wash out and problems we actually spend a lot of money keeping up those dirt roads.
Right.
And um
Yeah. Well I'm in agreement. They need to be paved. I'm with you. I just again I just have a concern that and then like you just stayed, we're gonna see more of that. And uh if we're gonna allow again additional roads. and development to put more traffic on those roads for those residents. But I don't
the traffic's there. Yeah. I don't think you'll see more tra I mean, this will be better, but you still got part of that road that's gonna be terrible that's going across over three oh one. certain people still won't travel that road. But for the people that live in that area, it's gonna be a great thing to have that paid.
No, again, there's no disagreement on that. I agree with that. Right, but we're putting
sorry,
commissioner.
We're putting the cost to that community when everyone in the community is using it.
And suddenly it's paid by the county. People outside the community of the well. Yeah, you're right. Both. Yeah. Yeah. So what's what's the you said there's a county, so what how much of is the county contributing to this? Pardon me?
The accountant's contribution?
Yes, correct.
Uh sixty five thousand, about sixty-six thousand dollars.
And that per that's what's the percentage?
Uh it's uh ten percent over a thousand dollars. Well But the formula is ten percent over a thousand, so it's less than ten percent. Mm-hmm.
Can you pull that slide back up, please?
Which which slide? The
The one with the breakdown of all the fees. Is that the beginning?
They colored the the assessment one was that one.
Yeah, before that.
When when overpass road or smaller comes across there,
uh-huh,
you will find nobody except for those residents on this road will probably be using that road. So you're saying this other one's gonna be a straight shot across there.
So your feeling is once overpass is done, there'll be less people cutting through. Less
people on the
part
of
the road. That's a positive.
So two or three.
Actually is about one fish.
Well, Commissioner Fitzpatrick's reviewing that. Did you um I know we talked about when it comes back we could bring their interest rate down to what was it? Was it three points or three and a half?
Three point two five.
What?
Three point two five uh Okay. What was approved this morning? Three point two five.
Three point two five. Okay. Did you um do we have a Did you do those numbers? Did you formulate that? What the difference would be? I can run the numbers. Two two and a half. What is it? Two points? Two and a half. This is a five or five and a half. That's one. I'm sorry, that's I'm sorry, that's what pivot?
Five percent.
This is five, okay.
So it'll bring it when when they bring it back, it'll bring it down a little bit.
Commission Commissioner Yeager.
On the aerial shot you showed that that road goes east to west going across.
What's that? Winton or Kissuk? Winton.
Yeah, sir. It goes to the right-of-way. Yes, sir. She says she has a tough time making that connection. So if there is an access issue we can't make that road smooth enough to use, then I think she should be pulled out of it because she can't get to
that road. Commissioner O let me have help Ansley out. I if it is an impossibility for her to use this, she can come back and petition.
Yeah.
The staff Because at this point They've been disclosed their maximum assessment. Anything that comes out of the assessment at this point is gonna be the county's share. Right. Unless we're not going to be able to do start all over again, which nobody wants to do. No, we won't do that. So but if she physically can't make a connection and it meets the ordinance criteria Staff can make that adjustment and bring it back to you. That
all
right, good. That's nothing that you have to do here. I just want to make sure that gets done. So good. Thank you. That's what I'm
saying.
There was the concerns about the the trees being cut down and there was a concern about the
So in terms in terms of the trees, only trees that are necessary and all the trees will not be removed. So it's not all trees we're planning to remove. In terms of the drainage, we because it's on Peave Road, we have to go through the process of getting a Swift Mod Southwest Florida Water Management District exemption. We have got that and um this is why the project is at this point. Also, someone mentioned
Can I stop you? You said there will be drainage improvements.
Yes, sir.
Okay. That was
that answers
his question okay
but swales it's been solid okay okay okay um In terms of the notification, we're required to send certified letters with return receipts. We get our information from the property appraisals listing, and we have done the notification, we have gotten the returns, a couple were undelivered, and we have done the requirements as per the ordinance. I think that is that's
I think that answers the questions.
Anything else?
Anything else?
Make make a motion.
Entertain a motion.
Yep. I I move approval.
Okay. Second. That was second. All in favor?
Aye.
Aye. All opposed, same sign. Motion passes. That does it for. Thank you all.
Yeah, I guess so because they're uh
Yeah.