Chairman Starkey report on driveway parking and connectivity
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All right, so we have an eleven thirty, but I'm gonna do my commission so we can get all that done. Okay, Mr. Kavala. Um I have some photos. Um and a skip the fence one. Uh um there's one about drive driveways. Do you have those?
Yeah. Um I I d um and Commissioner Oakley this may uh this may look familiar to you, but I was driving through you know when I go through I drive through the county neighborhoods all the time. I was driving through um one in my district late in the day and uh so people were home and this is what I saw. Uh and I th I mean that's The kids were riding their scooters in the street because they cannot use the the sidewalks. So there should be three photos in that. Look at
that. Look at the way that guy's parking.
Yeah. Same in my neighborhood. Yeah,
and um and then there's another one. Um the whole if you look, the whole that's a trail now, that's not the sidewalk. The whole thing is blocked. So um I think we really need to um be looking at um these uh and and making sure that um that this doesn't happen. And I've talked with some developers already about solutions for this, but This is something that we need to get a hold of because we're gonna have kid children get hurt.
I think this happens often in forty foot lots and fifty foot lots subdivisions.
Well part of it is the driveway length
to get more rooms. Anything that you have a garage setback that's twenty feet or less,
yes,
you're gonna you're gonna see
and and here's what's gonna happen with this is it It's not the county that enforces this. My understanding is first it's the HOA. So if the HOA is not doing it, not
doing their job,
then then we have to step in. Um, but I guarantee you, one of those cars is gonna pull out and and not see a little one riding her little scooter or trike because she can't ride on the trail, uh you know, safely in her neighborhood. So I'm not okay with this, and we need to address. Addresses, in my opinion, pretty quickly. I don't know why the street name is on the ground, but okay, so um next photo.
Madam Chairman Mariano said he's seen it as well. Um and you say the forty fifth forty foot lots, same thing, same thing. We allow narrow streets, smaller setbacks, and even on the sides of houses. You know, where you can you can't let's say if you want to put a propane tank in and you got air air conditions issues. Yeah. Staff is struggling with all this stuff.
Yeah, I agree.
So I I think it's time to do a workshop on this because what we don't want to do are build homes like this where the kids can't go on a sidewalk, they gotta go on the street. Um it's just it's dangerous, it looks lousy, and it's just not good for the long-term growth of this county. We get we need to pick what we want. Do we want to be a high-level premier county, or do we want to allow that stuff like that? We got it.
Yeah, we have to get rid of this.
And I'm also hearing that um and I I don't want to take up Commissioner Moore's time here, so um, we'll bring this back. But if if the utility needs a whole ten feet, um then they can't put any trees, so I don't understand why they need ten feet, but I'm not gonna solve that and discuss that here. I don't know why they can't get d that done in five feet. But um okay. The next thing you're gonna see is what uh what what was one of the discussions that we had that well if we if they put these in their garage then they could use the c garage as a parking spot but
until until people start using the garages we can't we can't count those as parking spots in my opinion. They're they're just storage rooms. All right um next photo Oh, that was supposed to be my last photo. But uh yeah, th this is where I was Sunday. So I just wanna say um that game uh at Alliance Stadium I was an amazing, amazing experience and um And I just wanna thank Germany and Munich for being great hosts. It
was really fun to see um All the Bucks fans that came out. A lot of people came that didn't have tickets. Like Derek went and he never was able to get a ticket. They said that they could have sold three million more tickets. And um And so uh this is a great experience. Everybody stayed for like twenty minutes after the game and they were singing American songs. The football players came back out, the cheerleaders came back out and they were exchanging jerseys down on the field and I I I I just think um
you know, go bucks and I'm glad we won. Great. Um Most of the Germans there had no clue what was going on and um and so we were g we were helping our our friends their uh do play-by-plays. We were with uh the former owner of Well uh former CEO of Well Belt, who um Hubertus Millhauser and his family. And um Uh while I didn't put the photo up here, but I'm in line. There are sixty-nine thousand people in line, um, all at the same time. It was very dangerous. Uh uh that that part was bad.
I hear someone go Is that was he said it in in German. Is that Kathryn Starkey? Huh. So funny. Yeah. Michael from the engineering firm that Bill Cronin and I have visited like four times that we're trying to get here in Germany is standing two people over from me with his wife. So and and and I'm with Hubertus who knows everybody in Europe and no one knew him, but uh yeah. Like, oh my god, it's Commissioner Starkey
So I did take a picture. I'll I'll I'll show that later. And we sent it to Bill Cronin. So that was pretty crazy. Good. Okay, one more picture. Um okay so no go can you go to the other picture first? This is something that I started to look at and Commissioner Oakley, I was trying to see this in I think it's in your two districts. Um If you look at this development picture and you see w see where it says the learning connection up there? I don't even know what development this is. But you see that neighborhood where it says learning connection, you come down. If if your let's
say your te your pri your middle schooler lived on that street And their friends were in this development. Down uh down here, um just south of it. They would literally have to get on their bike or car or have mom drive 'em. Miles. Miles up County Line Road. Down Mansfield, across on I don't even know what road this is, and up, to be able to Go play with their friends. Putting all that traffic
on the main roads. And I want to show an example of what we did in Longleaf. That's the other picture. And I can tell you, there were hundreds and hundreds of people In the boardroom when our family was doing this development that didn't want these connections. And you can see where Longleaf Elementary is in the middle. And it connects to this neighborhood, Fairway Springs. Uh up you know, down near the bottom. It connects to this other neighborhood, Ellington Ellington
Place. And they did not want those connections. And people were gonna die, their kids were gonna die, all this. But You can leave these neighborhoods without and go north or south without having to go through the intersection. You can drive through you can take your kids to school without getting on 54. The buses can disperse all different ways. And so I just wanna uh show this example of why I think we should be making those neighborhoods
connect. And um so I'm gonna be doing these planning I'm not a planner. But I think my planners would agree with me that connectivity is somewhat better than um putting every neighborhood out on a collector artillery uh in order to have to get to the next neighborhood. We're we're we're gonna have a disaster if we have a million people in our county drive around that way. All right, so um that is it? Oh no, one more one last thing. If If you saw this, um I wanted to shout out to uh the
passing of Sandra Warner. So Sandra Werner was one of the first two women to be elected to the Board of County Commissioners in 1980 and the first chairwoman of the board. She was a fourth generation Pasco resident whose family has a long history with Pasco County and the BCC. And her legacy will continue on. She was on with uh uh Um Sandra was from Hildebrand's district.
Oh she was she was on
She's on the west side.
Yeah. And
um Sylvia
Young, same time Sylvia Young.