Forty foot lots apartment complexes and moratorium

1:12:59Well I I just wanted to bring up and I we've been talking um amongst ourselves here at the board meeting about uh some of the developments and and forty foot lots and fifteen and sixties. So I got looking at the um rent own houses that I live in out here off Fort King. And just Called Denise, found out that it was uh actually they're all fifty foot lots. Well, I'm I'm there and and they're of course they're finishing

1:13:30building as they build 'em and get 'em ready they're they're rented out and people just coming like crazy. But they're also there. They park in the street. And you can barely get a car through. So I know you can't get a fire truck through there if they had a fire. I mean it's just amazing to look. And when you I meant to take a picture yesterday and it did but I should have. It shows all these houses. All these cars parked in the street. And you

1:14:00absolut I mean there's a few small real small trees, but very few. It's just not a good look for our county. I d it It looks like you're somewhere like you always thought about New York all concrete and everything, just and there's no beauty to that. So Um There's just in a fish, I mean forty foot wise, there's definitely no room for landscape and also. And I think we've um we've asked to have to look into backloading some of these forty

1:14:30foot lots and all, but We need to be real careful what we allow. our developers to do that we make sure that they're the right thing for Pasco County. So we've been rural for many, many years and we really do not wanna destroy the nature of of what we have in Pasco County. And yet we do want to grow and And have jobs and offer all our citizens and and do the right thing for citizens. Well that's just something I want to bring up that uh

1:15:00I've noticed that and It's just something that as we go forward and have more projects coming. Um And I've already seen some coming that are Just all forty foot lights. I mean It's it's kind of strange. It doesn't some some of it just doesn't fit.

1:15:18So

1:15:19Yeah,

1:15:20sir. Maybe set I w I wouldn't say a set of workshop, but maybe we'll set up an agenda item to w to discuss it through because You know, we don't want to build slums for the future. We want to build nice homes that that are going through. So You know, density sometimes overrated. Uh to how good it can be. I mean, I think, you know, nice single family homes is has has made us actually a great place to live. Yeah. And it's helped for our schools as well and and and for good quality of life. Uh congestion is something we're gonna spend money on anyway. If the lots are a little bit bigger, it makes

1:15:50it more comfortable. And again, just the situation we're dealing with. On the Coast we talked about today where we're going to be able to do The lots are so tight together, so tight. Uh parking's tough and you wanna you don't wanna park on the street. And I'm we deal that in our neighborhoods already, but to make it even worse, uh, I think it would be a bad thing. For certain developers, if they put parks in place, we have neighborhood parks that are there for the kids to play. But I I think it's it's a worthy conversation to bring it bring it forward at some meeting coming up. Mr. Chairman Mari

1:16:18I I think um staff is because I have a request for a meeting with um Terry Pitos for that very issue. I see him not in his head. So he called I I think he's getting with all your s assistants or aides to schedule a meeting because he's right, he scheduled one with my office yesterday to have this discussion. So that's already in move in motion. And I'm gonna can I pile on a little bit since we have fifty minutes. Pile on this a little bit.

1:16:43Wait a minute, we're short of time.

1:16:44Yeah, you know, yeah, wait for it. Um I'm just gonna I'm gonna since you're bringing up the look of the county and things like that, I'm gonna I wanna bring up again the apartment complexes. And I'm bringing stuff for a reason 'cause it's gotten to the point When I have conversations with constituents, unsolicited conversations It used to be when I first came on was jobs, infrastructure, flooding. I'm not exaggerating. The number one topic that is brought up to me now, in

1:17:14my area is the amount of apartment complexes being built. Yeah. Number one. Andy, my legislative A Is part of leadership you don't think is part of leadership Tampa Bay. In one of their meetings the other day. Two of the current um other members of Leadership Tampa Bay Found out he didn't even know he they didn't even know he worked for me. They just knew he was because on there it says Pasco County employee or whatever. They came to Andy. and started complaining about apartment

1:17:45complexes. Not even know not had no clue that he worked for me. So I disagree. We

1:17:52didn't even ask him where he lived.

1:17:53What's that?

1:17:54They didn't ask him where he lived.

1:17:55They d they just asked no you Yeah, okay, I gotcha. You're funny guy. Yeah.

1:18:00No,

1:18:00don't. throw him on. It's

1:18:03okay. I'll pick

1:18:04it on. Any poor Andy. Um But anyways, you know, so when you talk about that. And then we gotta we need to look at this, you know, holistically here, you know, and for the future, as you mentioned, not f always now, but five or ten years down the road, as Commissioner Mariandis made a statement about what is the future gonna look out like. You know, well what the future may just look like is we have this oversaturation on especially on the fifty four or fifty six corridor is that ten or fifteen years down the road, you're gonna have blighted apartment

1:18:34complexes because they're not gonna they're only gonna go to the b bright, shiny new ones and the and they're not gonna be able to keep up with the Joneses is a fact. And as we continue or we don't I don't wanna say we, 'cause we've done it we've made some Strides recently and I appreciate that. I appreciate the two of you because you did support that. Um but we we made some strides, but we need to continue to w making those strides because if You bring him in. There's the majority of 'em, seventy, eighty, ninety percent, are still going to Hillsboro

1:19:04County to work. They're not working in Pasco County. They're along that corridor. They're jumping back on 75. They're jumping back onto 75 and leaving. When I came here in 2014, and before that, one of the main things I talked about, I campaigned on this, more jobs for Pasco County, and all of us did. We've worked very hard on that cohesively between here, the board, and the EDC. We can't give that up now. Right. So when you continue to put those people on the roads that are leaving, that's why 56 is track, that's why 54 is jacked up. That's why

1:19:34all those interchanges are continue to back up, no matter how many we built, if we keep letting this happen. So it's gotta stop now. Or let's, you know what? Let's continue to Build. job create on these job creating sites, these commercial sites, these office sites, and not put multifamily apartment complexes because where else are where else is our economic development group gonna have to go? Where else is the EDC going to have to go? There's not gonna be any land left for them on the major corridors that these people want. 'Cause if not, Commissioner Oakley, you know, they're

1:20:05gonna have to find a place way out in the in in the rural areas to build an industrial park or something. Well, that's not conducive to that type of business. They need to be close to the interstate and close to 785. So I will get off my soapbox now, but I wanted to jump on because I don't disagree with you, sir.

1:20:20Yeah.

1:20:21Ms. Chairman. Well, go ahead, Murray.

1:20:23So I wanna I wanna give you an opportunity to put a request in as well, as far as that goes. We've just done redistricting. You've got more corridor now on fifty four and I seventy five, I think even five eighty one.

1:20:34Yes, sir.

1:20:35Right now you wanted your previous district to be no apartments at all. Correct. I think you should look to extend that to every bit of your parcel. And if we need to go take another look at it, going a little bit further with it, I'm okay with looking at it too.

1:20:46Yeah.

1:20:47Because we don't need All the congestion. I mean, the Virgin Diamond's now getting started, et cetera. It's gonna help a bit. But even still, you're still not gonna break even as far as your traffic goes. So if you wanna go even further and bring that district out between you two, especially all of your district, and maybe you wanna re look at If you want to change a little bit more as well, I'm fully supporting it.

1:21:06I appreciate that. Yeah. That's a that's a that's a great point, sir, because yes, you're right. So uh if if the redistricting goes as schedule will be w it's brought back to us in December, is that correct?

1:21:16Yes, sir.

1:21:16Back to and that takes place in January or right after it, right after you do it? We immediately

1:21:23you would you would adopt it

1:21:24that day.

1:21:25That day.

1:21:25Okay. Okay.

1:21:26It has to be redistricting has to be finalized by December thirty first.

1:21:30Yeah.

1:21:31So

1:21:33in

1:21:33the

1:21:33okay even year.

1:21:34So we can it we could bring that forward and extend extend the moratorium after that takes place.

1:21:39You'd have to advertise an

1:21:41amendment to the

1:21:41ordinance

1:21:42for that new new area that it that includes district two because previous Okay.

1:21:48So you could keep The areas that are in place now. Add in your new areas. If you want to go further with it, maybe two can go look at that a little bit more, obviously individually, um, and bring it forward. And then instead of even waiting for December thirty one. You could even have it in place ahead of time so that when it's ready It's a simple adoption at the same time.

1:22:07Oh I see. Yes. That's that's that's true, right? So that you could actually we could actually make a motion now to extend that to bring back for a public hearing. contingent upon That being District Two in passing. Mr. Steinsteiner? You Technically.

1:22:26You could have you could publish the the ordinance an amendment to the moratorium ordinance that increases the districts Consistent with Um the maps. Um, although I will point out that you're having a public hearing. on the maps and they may change Um I mean that's the purpose of the public hearing.

1:22:51Correct.

1:22:52Um but yeah the the You all decided to to make to to less things out of other districts at the at the first hearing. If the board's desire is to put stuff is to expand the moratorium area. You can do that, but you have to go through the ordinance direction process.

1:23:13So regardless of even redistricting, you still can go forward, maybe to work with Terry and just kind of like where else do we want to see this go, have it ready to go, and then whenever it's ready, we can add it to it.

1:23:23Yeah, it's in it's an easy area to really when you think about it. It's not I mean it's across either side of fifty six down to forty one down Bruce B. Downs. Yeah. Thanks. Good point. I appreciate it. Yeah. Well, so Terry, you hear that? We're gonna we're gonna go ahead and move forward with that.

1:23:38So some of his questions. Does some of his district in the redistrict, um, does he get some of the grove or does he come that way? Yes,

1:23:47sir, 'cause it goes.

1:23:48Oh, 'cause I know you get my

1:23:49part.

1:23:52You get the park?

1:23:56You got the park back.

1:23:59two to Old Pasco Road to Overpass and then down Boyette. To fifty four. If I if I recall correctly. So yes, the groves would go from your district into his district. Wesley Chapel District Park would move from your district to his district.

1:24:12Right. Okay. But then I gain uh two rivers and that on the south part.

1:24:18So that's cool. Yeah. Okay.

1:24:20So it's good. It's

1:24:21a point middle. I can't remember them which meadow

1:24:23it is.

1:24:24Uh

1:24:25it goes down. No, c can we s can I can we make a motion now to because we don't have it to bring it back for a public hearing so we can get ahead of the game and not have to wait. And then in the meantime, 'cause he'll come for an introduction, we'll come for an introduction. Right. With the m initial map expansion and then the second hearing would be when we vote. Correct.

1:24:48Yes. Second.

1:24:51Okay, I got a motion and a second to to you want to state your

1:24:56to it to expand the current moratorium of Of the apartment complexes. With the and with that's the motion because we're gonna have to bring the map, Terry. We'll have to we'll have to work together to draw that map, which will be introduced at the first introduction of the public hearing.

1:25:13Okay.

1:25:15You're gonna have to advertise the incre the That the physical the physical increase. I mean if you're talking about bringing it forward for introduction. And then have your and then go to planning commission and then go to two public hearing. You can you can do that at your December meeting. That's I don't have a problem with that. If if you're

1:25:36okay.

1:25:37If you're trying to get it in a December planning commission,

1:25:41That'll be a little hard.

1:25:43And you don't know you don't know where those lines really are to notify the public of how much it's expanding, I think that's a problem. But it but if you wanted if you wanted to do introduction yes in in your December meeting, I think you can do that because that really doesn't require advertising. That dress requires it to

1:26:01be on

1:26:01your

1:26:02agenda. Okay. Thank you. That'd be the motion then and I'll just Terry, I'll just work with you. It's I I can draw it in twenty seconds.

1:26:07All right. Mr. Ballet.

1:26:12So once it's adopted, it's a retroactive to that date. I could

1:26:15think we can Yeah, I is so long as so long as the public knows. where the where the moratorium is going, you can you can create an effective date. Then

1:26:29timing questions. All right, great. And thanks for that, Commissioner Mariano.

1:26:32All right, I got a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Motion passed three zero. And

1:26:39to further the conversation, yeah, Terry and planning ha they've worked up some draft things to try to maybe that could be added as conditions of M P U D's to address some of the concerns we've been hearing about. the smaller lots and the lack of landscaping on the front and parking and so forth. So that's what he's trying to schedule to kind of walk y'all through and get your feedback before we start talking to stakeholders. Yeah. So

1:27:03Yeah and

1:27:04and should should be sitting down with each of you over the next few weeks. Yeah.

1:27:07And I've been talking to Terry about some of those kind of issues a long, so he he's aware. He knows what's going on.

1:27:14Yeah, I know I think your focus has been on the single family small lots of 40 features, but That also kinda we've thought through what that looks like on the townhome perspective too. So you need you'll think need to think about both discussions because one impacts the other. Yeah, front line of townhomes, you have the same type of issues as you do with the small forty foot lots. So it's all kind of in that. And he can walk you through it when you get a chance to meet.

1:27:38Okay. All right. So and to continue a little conversation, Mr. Moore's right, everybody talks about multifamily in in your area around Wesley Chapel. which I think I heard it groan And the census about 50%. from uh ten years ago. Yeah. Which is a tremendous growth. So if you look at that compared to I think one of your neighbors had said he it wasn't like this back in twelve years ago when he moved to

1:28:07mm

1:28:08to your neighborhood.

1:28:09Yeah.

1:28:10Uh it can't be. So because there is tremendous growth in that area.

1:28:14I mean in 2007 to that Wesley Chapel area. With only a J C Penny for Pasco.

1:28:20Right. So an answer to some of that is because you know there's more traffic at all and divergent diamond is very important. I think we have about eight months out from the completion of Diversion Diamond because their contract was 278 days and they've been out there a little over a month, I think, working on it. And then I got word here the other day that uh Overpass. Two languages of overpass supposed to be finished sometime in February. Which would be great.

1:28:50Yes.

1:28:51Because that allows some of that traffic that's all funneled down to fifty-six to split up and it and it'll just help things. And then of course the completion overpass is going to mean a lot too. But it's um As soon as that overpass open, um you'll see villages passing the hills growing a lot more, I think, and and a lot more traffic moving. Moving over that way, but I'd already seen a project over in um It's in

1:29:21my district and it's in villages based in hills and it's all forty foot lots.

1:29:26Hm.

1:29:27It's just Just Strange, I don't fit. Yeah. It got me thinking about where I was living. I was trying to figure out if I was forty foot, so I'd just step it off and I said, No, that's more than forty foot and found out from Denise that it was actually fifty foot lots and we as a board had requested that be fifty foot lots, so Uh it's a I guess it's a nice looking subdividing stuff there's really there's something missing because I guess landscape and hasn't grown in yet

1:29:57and then too much parking in the streets. And I'm gonna pass that on to the owners of Of that subdivision. that they need to um I think someone told me by the HOA that they don't have for those homes, there would not be any parking in the street. But I think they're waiting 'til they finish construction. because that's all these construction vehicles are in there finishing up. So But it's good. Anything else? Thank you for anything.

1:30:28I don't know. Stasha Tyson? Good, thank you. Bring up something else? Nope.