Discussion after agenda about 40-foot lots
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Can we unagend?
We already did
everything. Um you did? I just want to talk about the 40-foot lines. Okay. I mean let them all go. Just I'm afraid you can sign my one. So just for the new commissioners and maybe Commission Oakley, I don't know what could be an issue. Well Commissioner Bradford lives in a neighborhood that has rear loaded investment. Yes. Um Starkey Ranch has rear loaded product. Um Asturias, uh David Weekly
Homes rear loaded. So just so you can get a feel for what we're talking about, and Longleaf of course. Um 'Cause you 'cause you know people would call Longleaf is a T N D neighborhood, traditional neighborhood development, which is the old style of the design, the old style like Old Northeast and T downtown Tampa and you know, really where they had alleys and all that kind of stuff. Um when you have and I this Liam
or someone else may be able to explain it better than me that's a planner but or architect. Uh what we call in Starkey Ranch and Bexley and Asturias is T T and D light is kind of the term that our family uses. But But I think you can get a real sense for the difference between what a front-loaded 40-foot lot community looks like. and a rear loaded and how it handles the parking and the all those issues. if you would drive through some of those neighborhoods.
I don't know of any on the east side and maybe staff knows some where there's some
rear loaders.
There's none. Okay. Um And I know that Because of some of the restrictions that I don't feel are necessary on what we've done in the back. But the valleys we've added a lot more cost to them. and makes it unattractive for our development community. So I just wanted to encourage you to to experience what we're talking about so we all become a little more knowledgeable
because for me rows and rows and roads and roads on the east side full of front loaded 40 foot lots is not a vision that I had thought we would have when we did the OPH.
If I understood them right when they were talking about the forty foot lights, they had twenty foot in the front, right?
The they have a twenty foot driveway. Which really fits one one car, one one F10 pickup. Right?
Okay.
I went and practiced when I grew up. Well, I thought it was
twenty foot from the the sidewalk to the house.
Yeah.
The setback that you that you saw that was attached to that, the typical section, had a twenty foot setback to the front of the house, a twenty five foot setback to the garage. That's what I thought. Yeah.
Well well
That's only that's only uh
Still one car.
Eight hundred feet? Eight hundred square feet in the front yard? In the backyard I thought they said they had forty by fifteen feet.
Fifteen feet. The setback from the property line is fifteen.
Six hundred.
And it's five foot
from the
backyard
of these places. Four
I personally think we should discuss five foot setbacks and consider something a little bigger like we used to have. Because where you put in your air conditioner and everything and your pool equipment uh by the time you put that in you you can't even put a fence 'cause you can't You have to go over it, you know. So then there's issues with the rain coming out the roofs and it makes this gutter this yard thing where grass won't grow because all the water's coming down, so I'm not sure. And
certain kind of product that we want. Right. That five foot should be the minimum.
You know, I I've seen a few of the new ones. One one was off with Stereo Loop, I think it was Alden maybe. Um it looked lousy. Um saw another one, K B Homes, over on Shady Hills Road. Just super tight cars parked in the sidewalk on the street. Um and and looking at um the one in Starkey, it it looks awesome the way it's set up. And the front yards right there, you can actually go from your front yard to the walkway and get on the trail and go. And
everybody's parked in the back. So whatever the hindrances are, let's go take a look at 'em, find a way to make it work, 'cause I think we can at end up with that end product, it is a lot better. Right.
You know, I I just met with Lenar yesterday. Um And uh they said they'd build that kind of product in other counties. But they they don't build it in ours, so
Did you have step did you have staff with you in that meeting? Yeah. What'd you have? Terry? All right. So Terry I've got a meeting come up with them too. I'd like to include you in it because I want to have the same type of dialogue. From you. Okay. All right. So Mike, as quick as we can get that set, let's let's make it happen. It's a it's an important important uh adventure for us. All right, any else be come before the board? All right, we're joined. Thank you. Thanks, Sure.
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