P51 Blackwell MPUD rezoning on Hudson Avenue
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P 51 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times March 6, 2024, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.
Good afternoon. This is Orlando Borraz. Can you hear me? Is it better?
Yes.
Perfect. This is Orlando Borraz with Planning Services. Um before we start uh this presentation, I if I may um add into the record an expertise with Commissioner Mariano.
I need receive and file. Moves receive and file. Got it. Got to say it. All those in favor say aye. Aye.
Most bashful.
Sorry. It's going to be PEG twenty four seven seven um three three Blackwell M P U D. This is a proposal from AR and AC to an MPUD to allow three hundred and twenty-one single family detach units approximately on a hundred and seven eight um a hundred and seven acres. And it's located north of Hudson Avenue and east of Coverway and Hazel Avenue. As you can see, this is going to be the location of the property, which is going to be on the north
side of the county.
This is going to be the location map. And this is the context map. And this is my opinion very important to discuss essentially because the applicant will be extending I mean will be constructing this sidewalk on Hunt on Hazel Avenue all the way to Cobraway, which is going to be connecting all the way to the school To the schools that are going to be right over here. As you can see, uh this is going to be Hudson Avenue, sub uh right over here. the subject property over here and then again the sidewall construction
from Hazel Avenue all the way to Cobraway.
Oh.
Diffusion one use of the property is going to be res three. And the current zoning districts, as I mentioned before, are AR and AC. So during the Planning Commission um the applicant was proposing and I'm going to go right ahead to the master plan um an emergency access over here to Edwards Road. Since the Planning Commission staff has found that the applicant can have that emergency access. So since they are not proposing
anymore the emergency access, there is no variation requested. However, if the recommendation is for approval, uh And emergency access to Hazel Avenue. Let me go back to the master plan real quick. right over here, then that would need to be having a a variation from the land development code. Same if we approve uh an emergency access to Hudson Avenue.
That being said, this is going to be the concept plan.
Can you go back to that concept plan? Absolutely.
the recommendation comes with approval with conditions from um planning and economic di uh department. However, uh that's taking in consideration either the full vehicular access or the emergency access uh on Hazel Avenue.
If you have any questions, more than happy to answer them.
Now where's where's the entrance at?
Yeah.
Show me the main entrance and then show me the main the uh emergency exit.
So right over here on Hudson Avenue it's going to be the main entrance. And then the second access, either full access or just emergency access, is going to be right over here on Hazel Avenue.
Okay. But that's emergency exit only, right? Sorry? Or access?
That's up to you. Yeah.
Planning staff is recommending a full access on Hazel. you ha uh they're also saying that at a minimum you're gonna need an emergency access on Hazel if you don't perm if you don't do the full access. Oh
gotcha.
Okay. All right.
Okay.
Any other questions?
Um is the applicant gonna make a presentation?
Good afternoon, Commissioner Cammy Corbett with the law firm of Hill Ward at Henderson, one oh one East Kennedy Boulevard, suite twenty seven hundred, Tampa, Florida, and I have been sworn. I do have a brief presentation for you. Uh the applicant is Meritage Holmes. Many of you are familiar with them. They are a national home builder. They primarily focus on our first time homebuyers, first time move up, a very important market segment in this community. They've won several awards and many of you are familiar with their products. Again, this is the aerial.
Uh this subject property is located in an area that's kind of a hole in a donut in between two developing areas of the county which are already develop either planned for suburban development or already approved for suburban development and you can see the surrounding PDs and we're sort of in the middle of that area. Project details, as Orlando said, three hundred and twenty one homes. We're doing fifty-five foot lots around the perimeter. Uh we are asking for forty-five foot lots, but no more than uh fifty percent and then we're asking for
up to the ability to do up to one hundred villas, but that's included in the forty five. So again it can't be any more than uh fifty percent of the project being fifty five per uh fifty five foot lots. This was our first site plan. Uh we went with code minimum buffers uh since we're abutting residential all around, which was basically zero where we're abutting residential property and ten where we're buffering or abutting ag. We had no fence or minimum screening because it was not required by the code, and then we had three access points at that
point. And then we had two parks, two in the northwest and no park in the northeast. We did have a neighborhood meeting. It was a very well-attended neighborhood meeting. We received a lot of feedback and we've had subsequent meetings, lots of detailed one-on-one meetings with the affected property owners, and we have agreed to enhance buffers in the entire PD and specifically in some areas where we've had specific discussions with the neighbors. So our buffers now range from 30 feet to 80 feet, particularly in the northwest areas where we're having We're
agreeing to shade trees every 60 linear feet. We've got a 50-foot undisturbed buffer up there and we're providing a six to eight foot visual screening fence. We've relocated the parks. You can see now we have one over in the northeast and we made the one in the northwest a little bit larger. And then we did modify this uh access points to reflect what staff's recommendation was, which did include that full access onto Hazel. This is just an up close uh picture of that northwest boundary with the fifty foot undisturbed
buffer and the additional thirty feet and then the screening. And then along the southeast we have specific conditions regarding the types of trees that will be planted in a buffer that we negotiated with that property owner as well. Uh we are following PM twenty six, your most recent standards for single family. Um same thing with the paired villas, and so we are fully compliant with that that memo in your most recent memo. We are gonna have an amenity in open space that is uh themed similarly architecturally
to provide a nice feel for the community and providing three and three point two acres of total parks. And overall we've been found consistent with the comprehensive plan in the land development code. And what is remaining is some of the discussions you've already started asking questions about. So the first thing we are doing, as Orlando mentioned, we're providing uh a sidewalk along Hazel Avenue to the Hudson School Ways. We are that is something we are agreeing to build concurrent with our development, and we think that will provide good pedestri safe pedestrian access
uh to and from this community to those schools. One thing we've talked about a lot is whether or not we could extend the uh sidewalk along Hudson Avenue, not just along our project boundary, which is required by the code, but also further uh to the west to extend to Cobra Way to exact to connect to the existing sidewalk network. And what you're looking at is on the western side, the county undertook a project and did actually install uh sidewalks, but you had to acquire quite a bit of
And this is the existing condition on the other side. And so that sort of made that project somewhat infeasible for us. But we what we are willing to do is make a contribu an additional contribution, a monetary contribution in the amount of $250,000 to contribute towards that sidewalk improvement, should the county uh undertake that. improvement in the future and then we're also going to be contributing about three point eight million dollars in mobility fees uh in association with this project and if you so wish
we certainly wouldn't object if you utilize those mobility fees to make any intersection improvements that might might be necessary at Hudson and Cobra Way. And we're here to answer any questions should you have them. We have our whole team here environmental traffic civil planner.
Any questions? Mr. Chairman Mariano.
I like to say it.
And uh I'm glad you did the neighborhood meeting to find out how the people felt about it. Much as we do like to connect, I think it was good to to hear what the residents had to say, how it was gonna affect their quality of life. Um we also looked at trying to make that sidewalk happen all the way along Hudson Avenue. And not so much for this development, but the developments coming behind it that are gum coming along the way. And I would just want to make sure that the students from other areas would be able to walk along and have a place to go. Because their connection to it. The connectivity, right. Because their connection is so small on on Hudson
Avenue, they're not required to build a lot. But that $250,000 is gonna go a long way to work with our engineering department because they're gonna need right-of-way, swales, and things to be put in. And all that can get worked out and they're willing to even make that contribution once they take uh ownership of the property. Okay. Um the three point eight million dollars in mobility fees you're gonna hear from the residents if if if the same ones speak at the Planning Commission about how the the right ins, the right outs, maybe left turns need to be done that could make it safer. We've made some major improvements from the Hicks Road and
Hudson Avenue intersection. Well we improved all that. We put the sidewalk all the way down Hicks Road a few years back, made sure it went up to Veterans Park, but I think you'll hear from the residents about some of the improvements they want to see as well. But I I wanna say I wanna appreciate that you're willing to make that extra contribution, which we could make you do. You're just doing that to help uh with the project and Just wanna share that.
Any other questions from
the board?
I listened to um I listen to the Planning Commission and I listen to the residents who live on on um hazel. Um, that they didn't want anyone driving on their road. But I went and drove that road yesterday. And I drove the n drove the neighborhood. And um I am in agreement with staff that we need a full access on hazel. I'd like to you to see the pictures. That I just sent to Sonia.
Three hundred how many homes? How many twenty one. Yeah. I mean our rule is after a hundred you have to have two. So With that number, I just feel very strongly. that um they need another road. And This is actually a very wide road. And And I d I did I took a video but I I couldn't send it. And so I just want to show you the the progression. Now those trees need to be trimmed back there but It's pretty clear that Hazel was meant to continue
on. Um because it's not a cul-de-sac at the end when you If I have another picture, uh there are There are those signs that you see when when you have a stubbed road And you know, with the red that hey, this is gonna be a road one day. Um So I I to put all the to s to have all these subdivisions Uh neighborhoods just open onto Hudson is just gonna make Hudson a real problem. And so I
think that We should go with what the staff said. Um These are really big lots here on Hazel. Um And The road is in good shape and And um and then I then if you see if you go across I didn't see where on your map there you can see this is a This is a road that was meant to continue. Um Um On the other side
I want to be sure that that um we're continuing the the road on the other side And I don't know where that stub out was. Um is it um Pincus? Where's it gonna be?
People are gonna be very unhappy on Hudson if we just load everybody up on there. So the the more the more connections we have, this is just basic good planning. The more connections we have, the less traffic problems we have. So
So the pl so the plan is to have a Two entrances, exits, two.
So from our perspective as the developer Meritage, we're sort of Switzerland on the Hazel Avenue access point. Our main access is off of Hudson. We originally did not appro uh provide a hazel access because in talking with some of the neighbors we knew that there was a concern there. But when staff asked us to put a full access on the plan, we went ahead and complied with that. So there is the plan that shows that and there was further discussion at the Planning Commission about that. Planning Commission decided to recommend no access
at all, including emergency access. We would probably argue that an emergency access makes a whole lot of sense at a minimum. If you're not going to do full access, that at a minimum you should have emergency access there. It's good for everybody's safety. It allow it goes both ways. It really is allowing it's not it's not day-to-day traffic, it's emergency vehicle traffic, and it protects those on hazel as well as those. who live within s anywhere in the vicinity because if there's ever an accident that blocks Hudson and Cobra Way, we would at least want the fire vehicles to come in through our neighborhood.
Can can we clarify something that that the Planning Commission said emergency there and they thought that you could connect to Edwards.
The at the time we were unclear as to whether we could connect to Edwards and we were not willing to say we absolutely could not. There's a debate. FIRE has told us we could use Edwards as an emergency access, but the reality is we don't have a right to construct anything on anyone's property there. So it's it's problematic. And the Hazel Avenue fire access, because of the reasons you just stated, Commissioner Starkey, about the roadway being a a roadway in great condition, a wide uh condition and something that's easy for emergency vehicles to travel, it is really
the more logical place for the emergency access point.
Well I d I think it should be a full access. Um I don't think you'll see a lot of traffic on there except for those maybe who are going to school. um taking kids to school or coming back but I I think it'll be a safe route for kids older kids to be riding their bikes to school and um And so I don't think that's gonna be a big inconvenience on Hazel personally.
The staff is recommending a full access to hazel.
Okay.
Um I don't know if you want to put your map back up.
That one? Or the other one showing Hazel? Um that one's not so good to to see Hazel. Can't see it close
up. We did this showing Hazler just where we were gonna put the sidewalk. Well I do think you need the sidewalk.
sidewalk.
So
Yeah, no, that's not a good
idea.
Definitely need the sidewalk. Then kids can easily get to school by by bicycle. Um
So best to see it from the response. But I'm sure we're gonna hear from residents.
Yeah we are. Sure. Would you would you go back two slides?
Back. That way. Uh one more? That way? Uh maybe right there. Okay. So I the way this is laid out for down the road, Commissioner Starkey, is is I think going to the north. This one. This one's the revised one, sorry. Okay, so on the on the far right side the one the one road connecting to the north. What what road is is that connected to anything at all or just it's stubbed out? It's stubbed out. Okay, so I mean later on a north south road is what's really important. Some of the new development comes in, we can make that connection
going up there. which may may eventually get the kitten trail which would be a good no south cross access to it which is more important. Right now if everybody's gonna go if they're gonna go, they're gonna Cobra away. the h the biggest heartbreakers really if anybody's gonna be coming in there They're gonna come out from this development, they're gonna take a right turn and another turn.
load up Hudson
and
Cobra.
they say right now is the right-of-way. intersection at uh Cobra Way and Hudson Avenue. should have been already A right turn lane should have been put in there. I I would think that a right turn out should have been in there and maybe even a left turn in, which is part of what if we're gonna go further with this down the road is that using those mobility fees to improve that whole intersection is is much more critical.
I I I am just a proponent of the more connections the better. I We're gonna have traffic jams on our collector arterials if we don't have a grid. So that's where I am with it. I think it's I say it all the time. So
right. So Yes, let's um Let's have public comment and people have signed up for public comment today. Let's hear from them and then we'll come back. Mm-hmm.
Okay, so um there are one, two, three, four, six signed up. So I'm gonna ask the first two to come up, just um Sally Harkness is first, followed by Sarah Brendamille. Um when you come to the podium, please give your name and address and state whether or not you've been sworn.
Hi, I'm Sally
Herkiness. I
have
been sworn in. And your address, ma'am? [address removed].
Thank you.
So my motivation of coming today was because
I'm concerned about all the development in Pasco, and I saw the zoning sign at Fairwinds and Colony. months ago and they just went in and just leveled every tree there and it just looks like a barren land and then another area on fair winds just happened again. And then I saw that the some members of my community were concerned about the development now at the end of Hazel. and I went out and looked at it and s it's pretty
because it's there's cows out there grazing, But then there's also trees and I'm concerned about How we're just Clear cutting all of our trees and the air quality. Hillsboro County last week had two days where the ozone was high and it was people with respiratory Ailments were required to sta per uh they suggested they stay indoors. But when we have the trees it helps give us better air quality, it absorbs
CO two, it provides habitat for birds and other animals, it eat insects. So I just wanted to let you know that me and a lot of my neighbors are concerned that We are changing agricultural zoning. very easily in Pasco for family housing development. And I feel like we're losing some quality of life. In our community for those choices and ask that you reconsider them more
seriously when the agricultural areas and the trees. And I heard that there are some penalties for taking down trees But I don't think it's significant because they just take every one down. So if they have to plant a new tree, but what about the tree that was twenty five years old with the a nice diameter that had a lot of foliage and housing for the birds and the animals, so it's gonna take a long time. Two. have another tree grow to that size. So I'd
rather see them have a stiffer penalty on taking down trees so they could keep some.
May may I answer her, Mr. Chairman?
Yes.
I'm in 100% agreement with you. And we are um
She's using up her time, so
Oh I think she was done. So we we are um we do have a a somewhat of a tree protection ordinance. Um we did it twenty-five, thirty years ago. and we are updating it and we're gonna make it a little harder to take down some of those trees when the you know they don't need to take down everything and and if they will, if they do then the the fee will be higher. Um but But know that a lot of times Sometimes it's pasture land and then the houses come in and we're we're making everyone
put at least one tree in the front yard and then street trees now. And so I I I I'm with you. We want to put our tree canopy back, it's very important. And uh I tell I tell my fellow board members for every an oak tree will support five hundred species and a palm tree will support she's done.
I'm done.
You're done. Three or four. Okay. And uh and and we need our
treasure island
and
I lived there
fifteen
years, but I came up here and I love the quality
better because of the trees. I'm with you. And we're we're we're working on it. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah.
Sarah Brandameal.
Hello, I'm Sarah Brandemill. Um
Address. Address for the record and then state whether you've been sworn.
I live at [address removed].
Okay.
Um and yes, I've been sworn. Okay, thank you. Very emotional. Um
My house is two parcels away from this neighborhood. And you saw the little red tree house when you went there. So it's it's quiet, it's peaceful, it's serene. It's the reason we bought this house to raise our family. Thinking about thousands of cars going in front of my house every single day when there's maybe two a month right now. is terrifying. Um I will say that sidewalks, yes, we need it. We need it on Hazel. My child walked to school for her freshman and her sophomore
year. I refuse to let her walk in the morning because it's six forty AM that she would have to leave to get to school by seven. It's dark. There are run down trailers, there are woods, there are animals and they are registered sexual offenders on Hazel. So I did not let her walk in the morning. Um on her way home, she was run off the road by kids in cars leaving the school. She was pushed into the ditch. She had things thrown at her and she had to call me as she passed certain woods because she was afraid. Um So
We do need some help on that road, a sidewalk, streetlights, because the only street lights are on my property. Um and I pay for them monthly in my electric bill because I want my family safe. The the traffic, four times a day I have school traffic to come in and out of my house because I need to leave through Cobra. Um Cobra and Hudson, it needs help. It needs something. I'm I'm not a traffic person. I don't know. Maybe some right turn lanes from Hazel
onto Cobra, from Coza I'm sorry, from Hudson onto Cobra. From Cobra on to Hudson. would alleviate some of that traffic, but all I can see is everyone skipping that line because they want to race past my house to race through that new neighborhood to make the left turn onto Hudson to skip that traffic. I see them do it to go to Kitten. And Again, it that's not safe for children walking home. The school traffic is at the same time. Um We're also concerned about the construction and I have so much more of a list,
but I know that I'm out of time. No, you're not out of time. I can go? Okay. Sorry. Um you know we're concerned that the construction for the new development will come in front of my house uh very early in the morning, very late in the evening. um destroying my road. I'm not sure how that's gonna work. I don't know. I'm just it's just a concern of mine. Um Also, the school zone I talk to I see numerous businesses that are have their logos right in their car that's
coming through that school zone. Anyone I've had a discussion with has told me it's because the school's nowhere near the school zone. So they don't have to do 15. And a lot of the reason the traffic backs up from the school is because people cannot turn left. I understand we want to make hazel that cut-through, but they're gonna race down to beat that traffic. I don't know if a traffic light is the right thing. I don't know if a school crossing guard is the right thing. Um, I'm not sure. But also when my daughter walked to school, she had to cross Cobra twice just
to get to the school. Um because the sidewalk's on the west side. Okay. Thank you.
Your time's up now.
Thank you very much. I appreciate you guys listening to us. Good job.
Okay. Okay, next is Amber Tucker.
Good afternoon. My name is Amber Tucker. I live at [address removed] and I have been sworn in. I was born and raised in Pasco County and I have lived on Hazel Avenue since 2005. I'm here today because I feel that this county is not appropriately prepared or proactive in planning for the growth that we have been seeing. And as Commissioner Mariano pointed out, at Hudson Avenue and Cobra Way, we have needed turn lanes at that intersection for decades. I'm a graduate of Hudson High.
I've seen that traffic for many years, aside from living on Hazel Avenue. I also oppose the Blackwell MPUD rezoning on Hudson Avenue. Hudson Avenue and Hayes Road are not up to the demand as it is, let alone adding all of these houses onto Hudson Avenue. In 2023, the US Census Bureau listed Pasco as the number three fastest growing county in the country. What changes, if any, has Pasco made to respond to this growth? If this rezoning and development
is allowed to proceed, we do not want this development to have access to the roads in my neighborhood. Hazel Patrick and Mayor. These roads would still be LimeRock if not for the homeowners who paid out of pocket to have these roads paved through PVAS in the late 90s and early 2000s. Our neighborhood roads are busy enough with drivers speeding down them to cut through between Hudson Avenue and Kitten Trail and a constant stream of school buses accessing the Pasco School's Northwest Bus Garage. on Patrick Avenue. We do
not need any additional traffic cutting through our neighborhood. From the Board of County Commissioners website, one of your values is service excellence. We serve to make the community better. Our neighborhood is still zoned as agriculture residential. How does allowing traffic from a subdivision of 321 homes into our neighborhood make our community better? During the March 21st Planning Commission meeting, the fact was touched on by the Planning Commission that perhaps the growth factor calculation
that is due used for traffic might be inadequate. If the county is in fact using outdated formulas that do not properly calculate growth, how does that make our community better? From the Pasco County Office of Economic Growth website, target industries do not have to pay mobility fees to the county when they locate or expand their business in Pasco. During the March 21st Planning Commission meeting, residents were told that we're in a chicken and egg scenario where the county can't build infrastructure before it is needed. Giving incentives
to businesses while telling residents we can't get improved infrastructure unless there are heads in beds, another quote from the Planning Commission, how does that make our community better? The only reason we have seen any improvements in our neighborhood is because residents are paying more in sales tax through the penny for passage. That's why we have that nice sidewalk from Hudson Avenue to the Hudson Schools Complex because taxpayers are paying extra the penny for Pasco. The penny for Pasco generally brings in more revenue than projected. Can penny funds be used to make
any improvements on the roads and intersections in our areas? We aren't asking for extravagant. We are asking for adequate to bring our roads and intersections up to current.
All
right, thank you.
All right, the next individual signed up is Kathryn Broda.
Hello, I'm Kathryn Broda. Um have been sworn, uh live at um [address removed]. And uh like this young lady had more information than I had, but um To open up um Hazel to f um complete access. Um
Um Three hundred and twenty one houses. Everybody's got basically t two two cars. So a six hundred and some extra cars on our roads. Our w our roads out there are not like Highway 19. They will deteriorate with that much extra Traffic. Uh the side roke is nice along Hazel. um emergency vehicle with a gate, you know, whatever, that would be great. But all the extra traffic And
like somebody said earlier, oh it's just gonna be school traffic. No. You get all those people, they're working people, they're gonna be traveling down there. Racing out the s uh kitten trail. We can't uh at school time we can't even get out on the Cobra. And sometimes we can't even get out on the kitten trail. And we don't have all that extra traffic right now. So that is one of our main concerns. There and the noise, the light and
the water pollution that we're gonna get from this 'cause we're downhill from there.
Mm.
Downhill from that Sub Division. So we're gonna get all this extra stuff. So but it's mainly the traffic. Our roads will not Hold up to it. And then when the roads go bad. What I understand is we're gonna get We're gonna get charged for under liens on our property. So it's not fair for us to have to pay for extra traffic to m destroy our roads. So that's one of my main concerns. Thank you. Thank
you. What was your
I'm sorry, what
was your address? Show that. But here or DR.
One oh eight
one oh eight three seven.
I'm Patrick F. Okay. She's got it. Thank you.
Okay, um and then the last who signed up are Alicia Juanis and Jason Juanis. I hope I corre pronounced that correctly.
Joannis. I guess.
Before I begin, um I was told by Joanna Cheshire that if I had um documentation that I could submit it here for the record. You can
move to receive and file. Second. And you can just give it to her.
But can you give your address and state whether or not you've been sworn?
Alicia Joannis one zero
Okay. And this is just what I'm submitted to.
I have a motion and a second.
Oh I'm sorry.
All those say aye. Aye.
Um all I'm submitting is I um requested additional time. I was granted additional time at the Planning Commission meeting. I did not realize that the rules were different, um so it was denied. But um I'm just submitting my statements from that meeting. Yeah. Thank you.
Okay.
Sorry.
Mr. Chairman M and the end of the mic bend bends down if that makes it th the end. Thank you.
I appreciate that. Okay. Mr Mr Chairman Mush um just like a make a request. She did get nine minutes at the Planning Commission, woke spoke very eloquently. I understand that, but that's that's
I didn't take that long either. I uh I was able to bring that down to about six.
Okay.
Good afternoon, Commissioners. Since we were first informed of the proposed development, I have tried to gather information to aid me in trying to stop or slow the intensity of this development. I do not wish to have a community, especially one this dense, to be built behind my home. Unfortunately, we have no rural protections because someone drew an arbitrary line on a map one mile north of my home. Any community being built should more accurately reflect the surrounding area. I have filed several. Several public information requests, and this is what I have found. In the last five years, 289 MPUD applications
have been filed and approved. Not a single project was marked as denied. There are 10 subdivisions being built or approved to be built near my home. These, along with this project, is just shy of 5,000 new home sites within a five-mile radius of my home. We were elated at the conclusion of the planning and mission commission. Meeting last month when a motion was approved 4 to 2 to deny full vehicular access to Hazel Avenue. However, in reading the agenda memorandum for this meeting, I can see that it was determined that there is not an easement
over Edwards Road and it cannot be utilized for emergency access. Therefore, it is being recommended to again grant full access to Hazel Avenue. So I would like to repeat to you my objections. The connection to Hazel Road is not something that should be allowed. Not all cat code can work in practical application, and this is one of those instances. From what I understood from the Planning Commission meeting, there are two codes used to address road connections. This one was for only the purpose of interconnection and not because the proposed community would surpass the number
of units needed to require the connection. The addition of 600 plus Cars down Hazel Avenue will make it impossible for current residents to make their way out to Hudson Avenue. It is already extremely difficult to do so several times a day, especially when the school zones are active. Our roads are already used as a cut-through from Hudson Avenue to Kitten Trail, and we have the additional traffic from the school buses going to and from the bus depot several times a day. If you connect, we will no longer be able to get to either major
roadway in a timely manner, and may God help us if we have an emergency, because no emergency vehicles could get to us if we needed them. The proposed community's roads will be private and maintained by an HOA or a CDD. All of our roads are public and when the additional traffic inevitably damage our roads, the county will want to put ten-year liens on all of the properties to repair them. It should also be noted that a good number of current residents already paid 10-year liens to have all of those roads paved in the late 90s. Just as we wish to maintain safe and clear roads
in the event of an emergency, we would never wish to deny anyone the same consideration. So if no other emergency access could be made, I would support Hazel being made into an emergency access only, and only if this access was gated at all times. times unless being used by immersion emergency personnel, excuse me. I still strongly oppose full vehicular access to Hazel Avenue. We hope that you will take our opposition seriously and that you would take the recommendation made by the Planning Commission not to allow
full access to Hazel Avenue. Thank you.
Thank you.
Jason Joannes is next.
Do you have this map?
Hi.
Were
you looking
for?
Address. Jason Juanis, [address removed]. I've been sworn in. I don't have too much to say. I thought I could donate my time to my wife, but I was denied that. So um just going off of what
Let her come back.
Well now I g I listen to something Bara said. She she could talk for an hour on this.
I mean I agree already with what most of everything with the residents have said here. I disagree with some of the statements that were made um by others. Um as we saw from the applicant, this is an area that is Away from but between highly dense areas. So this is kind of the last area that isn't. Um filled with homes, which is why we all move to this area. If I wanted to live in a neighborhood. I would live in a neighborhood. Uh
like they're planning on building here. Um this is an area where every home Is It's a home per two or three acres. And we're looking to develop Um three homes per single acre. That is a drastic change. There's a lot in between. You can do one home per acre, you can do two homes. Um per two acres Spacing it out a little bit of a transitional area between highly dense. The
traffic is already a problem. Um obviously with people already mentioning money's been donated, money's being needed to fix the roads for just what's currently there, not to mention an additional three hundred and plus homes. Um 500 homes just a mile down the street, talking about extending the sidewalk to another neighborhood that's still being built. It's just gonna magnify what's already a problem. The best way to stop the traffic problem is not to build so many houses
that require the traffic. So Just keeping this area the way it's supposed to be. Um open spaces, vibrant places. You're taking all of that away. Um You got tree problems? There's thousands of trees there. Leave them. And then you don't have to worry about knocking down the trees for the other neighborhoods. I'll stop there. I don't have that much more to say, so Yeah. You did a good job. No, I think.
Thank you.
There's no one signed up.
Does anyone uh in the audience wish to speak that has not signed up? If you have, come and line up. Behind the podium?
And then I think you're getting the drill, but when you come to the podium, name, address, and state whether or not you've been sworn. Thank you.
Okay.
Hi, I'm Kathy Cromer.
Just pull that down to you. Yeah,
[address removed]. Okay. Um
Any bit for one?
Yes, I have been. Um I've lived there since the early 1980s, and I'm absolutely opposed to rezoning. Thank you. rezoning the property that runs completely along the back of my property. We've had several parcels there. Um or opening Hazel Avenue for through traffic. If we have to do this for emergency, I
I understand that and the safety of the children, but it certainly I don't care what they put there, is not gonna make it any safer for these kids going to school. There's a bus depot that they come in and out back there and a maintenance building. They fly back in there. They cut through there, go down Mayor Avenue. Connect. And go out to Kitten Trail. It's an issue. a terrible safety issue, no matter what they're gonna put there at Hazel and Cobra. Um
You know, we all bought in this pro the property in this area, so that We wanted to get away from exactly what is proposed here today. We didn't want to live in communities like this, houses on top of houses.
I I respect that the builder has tried to make the buffer a little bit bigger and we appreciate that, but We really don't want this in our backyard. Um, we're the only ones losing. So people who have lived here all our lives and raised families here and have grandkids here and the young ones coming up too. And we're the ones who are gonna suffer for it. Now it's gonna be taken away. You're gonna open this road up and we're gonna have
A whole new community for us. Um I know that a lot of our neighbors couldn't be here today and I was looking online for the packet today and I could not find There are opposition letters, and I couldn't find mine on there. Maybe I was looking in the wrong place, but there were a lot of opposition letters sent in. Um we're telling you our Representatives, we don't want this.
We don't. We live there.
Thank you very much. Can excuse me, did you say your address was one oh nine oh eight? Yes.
Weird. It might come up 10936. There's a couple parcels there. Okay.
There
was
nothing on 10908. 10936?
Yeah.
Thank you. The properties have been combined, so there might just be there's a bunch of that out there. Yes. I drove all around. Yes. Thank you.
Good afternoon. Clinton Wynn, [address removed]. I apologize, I was late, so I wanted to pay my respects to Mr. Bradford and the family. I didn't get to sign in.
Yes, I was sworn. Okay, thank you. Thank you. This is another one of my areas of passion that I was working on with the West Market, okay? Um My property is now the only green space on Hudson Avenue between Meadow Oaks and palm wind. So and we have Since nineteen fifty three. I'm not here trying to stop development or cease it or pick it. What I'm saying is let's do smart development with infrastructure. I've been asking for infrastructure from day one. Hudson
Avenue is a nightmare. My friend was killed in his go kart. Yeah, he was at night and he shouldn't have been riding like that. I've asked for the Vision Road, a colony road, to be to come to fruition. Crickets. The development at Fairwinds and Colony Road. There is now flooding on Fairwinds and you're now flooding the backs of the houses on Barney Road. These people on Hazel? They're gonna get a bunch of water because there was five feet of dirt put on it Fairwins and Colony that was not originally planned. So
please go by there on a one hour rainstorm. And fair winds got flooded. Something I came to you guys again and let you know ahead of time, because I've been on the road my whole life. Now, is this development gonna be gated? 'Cause that can help eliminate people from cutting through Hazel from Hudson Avenue and then causing a nightmare at Cobra Way. And please go to Cobraway on School Exit Time in Hudson Avenue. You can't get out. You can't get out. So this is our neighborhood. And you guys are elected
and you have your neighborhoods. We're here communicating and sharing with you. Yeah, the connection roads are great. Kishner Starkey, but now we're cutting Hudson Avenue to fifty-two through Meadow Oaks. People are gonna be riding their golf carts trying to avoid cars cutting through, which isn't fair to the to the residents of Meadow Oaks. nor fair wins either. and colony where the Dunkin' Donuts is going. Um Is Palm Wood gonna have to um the sidewalks? Commissioner Yeager, great idea. We need to have sidewalks on Hudson Avenue. from Palm
Wind all the way to Cobra Way. Almost done. I'd like to thank Joe and Betsy with the development for sending me the paperwork for this right away. But again, please go to these traffic areas during the day, school enter and exit time, go to Fairwinds and Colony and see what five feet of fill will do to the neighboring houses and they got flooded. Thank you. Okay, thank you.
No clapping. Anyone else that would like to speak that didn't sign up? Come forward.
State your name and address for the record and if you've been sworn.
Good afternoon. Uh my name is William Cromer. I live at [address removed].
Okay.
Any bands for one? I
have you been sworn.
I
mean
I've lived there since the I'm sorry?
Have you been sworn?
I have been sworn. All right, thank you. Okay. I have lived there since the early eighties. I've put up with the potholes on uh Cobra Way being patched for thirty years, thanks. Um Why don't you look into uh putting an exit from Hudson High School parking lot out to the Rec Center On Hicks Road. It's a major road. It's only going to get larger. instead of running any traffic through our neighborhood. The
gated community, that was a good idea, 'cause now nobody's gonna cut through there unless you live in there. As far as an emergency You could go there four times a day with a fire truck and you're not getting through there. You're just not going to get through there. I've tried it with all kinds of equipment for a lot of years. and you avoid it four times a day. So There's other options. Let's direct the traffic out of there another way. We don't need a thoroughfare
going down Hazel. from the high school and that's what it's gonna be. I know you enjoyed our road, Miss Starkey, because we paid for it. And we we maintain the road. We cut the grass on the side. Your county mowers come down there, they don't even come down our road. We take care of that. We maintain that. We hang flags on our poles. We live in the United States. And we wanna be able to have a say in what goes on. And all of
you people that are part of Pasco County. We're not here to give you a hard time. We can't stop the development. You know that. But this road? It is a nightmare. You're asking for trouble. if you open it up for through traffic. You wanna open it up for an emergency? God bless there's not a fire or an accident there at school time. You're not getting in it. But you could open it up for emergency only and walk in and ri a bicycle riding. I'll I'll go along with
that. If not, bring it on I'll have to laugh. We pay enough money. Bring in another access into this development. You want to put three hundred and twenty-one houses on. We bought property for there for a reason. So we don't have three hundred and twenty-one houses behind us.
Develop it. Why you to cut all the trees down? As an ex-arborist, I'm gonna go in there and measure all the trees. I don't want three trees on the lawn. I want inch for inch from beneficial trees. You want to go that way? We could play that game. I'll go measure every tree on my own and I'll give you a per inch of tree that you can replant. You go in you bulldoze everything down and you put up buildings. Coming here today on some I don't even know where I am anymore. It's
terrible.
We don't want the traffic. We don't deserve it and we didn't ask for it.
And there's a lot a lot of other things I could bring up in Pasco County that goes on. Like the baseball field up in Hudson. It took seven years to get a light. For the baton cages in the pitching mound. Wonder whose fault that was. I don't want to point no fingers at anybody, but we were there with cranes and diggers and And poles are put in the ground. All right. And the commissioner wouldn't answer it. Wouldn't answer his phone. Your time's up. And then this then they wouldn't give us a permit. Thank you. So we had to cover the holes back up that we did for free.
We donated. Thank you. Thank you.
Is that uh is that the last person I wish to speak to that hadn't signed up?
Um Mr. Chairman, I don't feel that the planning staff adequately adequately conveyed why they think that it should be a full service. So I'd like to hear from planning Why they recommended full service.
Okay.
Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman Mariano Spitos, Planning and Economic Growth Department. Um Full access.
Full access, not full service.
Yeah. Full access on Hazel Avenue is is recommended. Um Commissioner Starkey made a few of the points earlier that with the more connection points that you have. in residential developments. To each other and to the surrounding road network. Uh, the more opportunities there are for traffic to disperse and reduce congestion within the area. Absent the connections, full access connections, to neighboring streets, roads, developments, um, what you're
asking for is all the various homes within a particular development to come out onto one. collector or arterial roadway. that does contribute to the congestion that uh is experienced. Additionally, the Land Development Code requires Uh two connection points. Um which in our original recommendation would be Hudson Avenue and Hazel Avenue. We would get additional connection points. uh to the north of in this development,
along the northern boundary, uh when future properties further north uh come in for any sort of redevelopment or redo excuse me, any sort of d development. And this is basically following the board policy. The comprehensive plan policies as well as the land development code to interconnect neighborhoods. To provide again more opportunity for residents to move between developments from one point to another. The board has mentioned at previous meetings
also that they would like us to be making those types of connections when developments are proposed. So for those reasons, we recommend that Hazel Avenue be Uh a full connection.
Um
D the applicant did not do a traffic study of how many trips would be generated on Hazel if it was a full service or full, what do you call it? Full access.
Full access.
Oh, there he is right there.
Yeah.
Because we heard six hundred cars. Um And then I do wanna talk about who's gonna be responsible for maintaining that road 'cause that's gonna change for you all.
Sure. Steve Henry, Linkson Associates 5023 West Laurel, Tampa, 33607, and I have been sworn. Uh so the the analysis that we did, so one is in the code. Because we're less than six hundred residential units. We're only required one functional access and one emergency access. So our analysis was based on that criteria, which is one act full access to Hudson. So that that's what the analysis was based on. So we did not evaluate the impact to Hazel. Uh from from a standpoint of traffic on Hazel, the
reality is for the most part, as far as from our development, it would simply probably be the the people, the students that are going to the one of the schools there, which would be, you know, somewhere in the neighborhood. We we I think we estimated about a hundred students, a little over a hundred students between the elementary, middle, and high school. So from that standpoint, because the reality is Cobra, you know, just y goes out to Hudson. So from that standpoint, we wouldn't expect it to be a significant amount of traffic that from our development that may go that way, because we'd have direct access
to Hudson. But that's why our analysis did not look at it because it's not required per the code to have two functional accesses.
Well I I th personally think when staff was recommending The access you should've you should have done the study. You should have Should have looked at it, but I think you can just extrapolate like you did from the numbers. It's not six hundred cars a day. Also there will be uh one day maybe a benefit to Hazel. P folks on Hazel to go other ways if there's an accident out there on Cobra. And to avoid the to avoid the pile up at Cobra and Hudson during
the day. Um they can go out they would be able to go out another way and get on Hudson. rather than get stuck in the mess. of that intersection during school hours. So it's beneficial to both. However, I I know high school students. Um I've had four of 'em. And I'm not saying mine ever did this, but I can see where some kids may inappropriate drive too fast on Hazel. Um and I wonder
if a speed bump put in by the county. Would help Slow down um slow down traffic on Hazel so we don't have high school kids speeding until some of these other maybe some of these other accesses are um put in. But Um That's a thought because I don't want to see anyone speeding down Hazel and it's a straight road and it's very wide. And so
Um people could speak. When I drove on it, I drove on it twice. I I was the only car. I th I think there was a truck leaving the first time I was on it. But I drove all around the neighborhoods.
Is Hazel County maintained road?
It is a county road. Um It's a Yeah, it's a local road. It's not an arterial collector. So they um and it it is in beautiful shape and it's a beautiful neighborhood. With lots of beautiful trees. Um We are changing the way that's awful. And I don't know if our staff thank you. Yes.
Unless you have a question for no, but I would I would like to have the applicant's rebuttal before you're
absolutely right. Okay. After gonna come back forward?
Totally forgot that.
Then you
can have all the discussion you want.
I just want to talk about the P Bass. Cammy Corbett again for the record. I just wanted to, the last several speakers actually live along the northwest uh area of the subdivision. And so I want to pull this slide back up and just to show you what we've done. This is actually the Juanis' house. We're at 95 total distance, 95 feet total distance from their home. We've got the natural buffer, we've got enhanced plantings. We're actually putting the fence. You can see that where that fence is located at the 80-foot buffer. So the fence is
on the outside, so they're gonna have landscaping between the fence. And so we've tried our best to preserve their rural look and feel and worked really hard to do that. And again, the code would require almost no buffering and screening in that area, and so we have tried to be respectful of that. Um and again just wanted to remind everybody of the commitments that we are making with respect to transportation. We are essentially um required to make about $750,000 worth of improvements, and we've agreed to between
Hazel Avenue and the Hudson Avenue can contribution are agreeing somewhere in the area of another million dollars and then the $4.2 million for uh The imp the impact fee or mobility fees that can be directed towards this project. And this area is planned residential three. And I think you all have the opportunity to not make the same mistakes Hillsboro County has made, which is not allow the allowable density within your comp plan, which then pressures because of concerns about development
in the surrounding community, and then that forces your rural areas. That you have designated as rural to have development pressure in the future, you really it is a good idea to follow your future land use plan and allow for plan densities that are consistent with that comprehensive plan. And your staff has found that this proposed development is consistent with that. And with that, we'd respectfully request your approval. And again, we are here to
Have you considered uh in the buffering areas, have you considered leaving the the main trees in those areas. Yes. Rather than push them out, because I've suggested that to other builders in other areas. And it's hard to like the gentleman said, it's hard to replace a twenty five year old tree or even a fifty year old tree.
Yes. But
uh if that's all possible where you stay back and and leave that buffer with the natural landscape of of trees and all that you have.
That that is
Better product. So
And that is in the condition that requires That is
one
of the conditions. We can't leave it one hundred percent undisturbed because we may disturb it, but if we do disturb it we have to plan it back. But that is in the conditions already, yes.
Okay. All right, thank you.
Um may ask a question on that. Okay. Because um I th I think the language should be maintain a buff a a a um buffer with trees in case trees come down. If the trees come down in a storm or whatever and then they have no more trees, th there needs to be a requirement that it be Replaced. Replaced. Yeah. So and I w I don't know if we've done that in the past. But but we want to make sure that that buffer stays
Well natural weather and natural happenings happen.
Yeah. Mr. Chairman Mariano. Question for the applicant. Um so we just heard Steve Henry say we didn't you guys didn't need to put in a You need all you need is a one entryway in and the emer one emergency access.
Correct.
And you try to design design your project that way.
Correct.
When you submitted that, did the staff have any objection to it?
Not I mean Comments process is iterative, so as we were reviewing it, we didn't initially receive comments of that, but later on in the process we did, pro much prior to the Planning Commission.
Okay. But after but wasn't like initial thing, there was an objection to it because you were follow you were following the code, thereby you were okay.
In the initial methodology for the traffic study, yes, that's the case. That was the set of assumptions we were operating under.
Thank you.
Any other questions? Well I was gonna go over the P VAS um
The the road maintenance changes that are coming. But that's for not for her. Um, did you say that this is res three and what you're proposing is res three? You're not asking for any increased density? No.
Okay.
The future land use is RES III and their proposal is within that classification. They are requesting additional density. Yeah.
As to what it's zoned for, but not from
the future land use. No. Additional density other than what it's owned for now, but not additional density other than what's in the comprehensive plan.
Right. Okay. Okay. Mr. Chairman Mariano.
Yeah, I just want to ask
I just
want to inform about the road maintenance.
Hello. I want to talk about other things.
Okay. Mr. Chairman
Mariano.
So You know, Hudson is a very difficult district in the sense of you've got a lot of rural There's a lot of growth pressures. I've had a a vision road on the map from Hicks Road connecting from New York to Denton Avenue. You've heard us talk about with other developments up there. It's been on that road for 15 years, never been put. as a north salt road, which would connect actually an arterial From fifty two to Denton all the way through. Never been put in. Um You know, Clinton Wynn, who just spoke a little bit a bit ago, used to serve with
us, I believe. Um Talk about smart development. Putting the infrastructure in place. And we struggle with that in Hudson because there's so much pressure down to the southern part of the county. These districts as they go down The Hudson doesn't get as much growth as down south, so thereby the infrastructure improvements happen more to the south than they do up here. And what it's led to is a vastly uh under infrastructured area that that that is that we have right now. I
I I came to you guys two years ago when we had the project up in Denton Avenue and I showed you on Kitten Trail the issues we had on that roadway. I showed you on Hudson Avenue the same way. You get business people that are right on that major roadway that can't get out To the east. Because all the traffic that's there. It it it happens for at least a half an hour, forty five minutes every single morning. And it happens to the north as well. We've got an opportunity here. It's gonna be it's gonna take a strong effort. to go make it where we can go fix the intersection
at Cobraway and Hudson Avenue. It's dramatic, it needs to be done. And someone made mention of a All the way down to Hudson Avenue at Hayes Road where we have the waste utility, you've got South Wind, you've got jobs coming out with Gary's plastics down the road. That intersection needs to be fixed. I mean it is not safe the way it is. You can actually drive through it if you aren't really paying attention when the changes were made to to how it goes. There's no right turn lane, left turn lanes, or anything else there. We need to make those improvements. to take this development,
which doesn't need to have any more than one access point. But you create a safe way for people to go across, the students to go across on Hazel, I think is very appropriate, and it doesn't disturb The ruralness that's already around us. We're putting all these buffers in place. emergency access is there if needed. But it doesn't have to flow with traffic. And with all the traffic that cuts in and around, you don't need that there. What we should be focused on as well is for the same people that all these children that that'd be going through there is right now they've got
a crossover you heard. two times to get to the what two times to get to school to get in there. We need to go make sure we go put a sidewalk in on the east side so when these kids get in, now they can walk into school one way to get in and not worry about the c traffic that circles around that whole place to get in and out. It'll make it much safer. That's what we should be looking at doing for infrastructure. Uh Hudson Cobra we Hudson and Cobra Way we need to go put a right turn in, right turn out. Right now, I think staff has mentioned that it's it
warrants it right now. And I guarantee you, if you do more study on just that intersection, you'll find even more need for left turn in, left turn out. That would free up a lot of the traffic there. Um To take Um if the if there's ever a way. And and I know the kids used to cut through Hudson High School going across to get Veterans Park. We need to go look and find if there's a way to go do that. Now some of these things that are transportation oriented We can pay for that with the impact fee we've got. um
between the impact fee is gonna be needed to do put put the sidewalk in Hazel. I don't think you're gonna have um enough money for that. But I want to say that with 250,000 put forward to do sidewalk improvements, we can do some of those improvements that will have immediate effect in safety. And let's face it, we're all about safety, all right? We want our kids to be safe. It's tough to go through regular financing mechanism to get them done. but we got an opportunity to tr try to make something better. And I'm gonna implore The the the land use, we're inside the land use category, if we are
looking for density. But I says but I think that we really need to make sure that we protect that neighborhood from everybody from Patrick and Hazel that may be working today that couldn't come here that would be speaking the same way. We don't have to destroy their quality of life. in putting everything through. And Commissioner Starkey, there's other accesses that can happen later on that we can connect that these guys were setting up. that can make those connections when it's more appropriate later on. When another develop development comes into the north. or to the uh east side, then let those connections happen there. and
let the traffic flow better, but not Just to you to just generate traffic all the way through that neighborhood that doesn't need to happen. Taking a right turn in and a right turn up. is just as well. And most of the kids there, I think I'm gonna want wanna travel on a nice safe sidewalk. So
Commissioner Weight would the uh folks That wanna leave Hazel. in the morning going to work. and not wanna deal with all the cars on Cobra, not benefit from coming out on whatever road this is gonna be in this community? Because we saw this y you know, and I've heard this a lot, uh but when the when it's really built it ends up benefiting everybody and We we fought this when we built Long Leaf and we have one, two,
three, four.
Five, maybe five entrances through the community of Longleaf that com that connect to the neighborhoods around it. and they they all fought it. They were sure that everyone was gonna die. Um but In effect it helped the people who live in the neighborhoods on the outside of Longleaf to be able to get to Starkey Boulevard. without going out to fifty four, making a U turn, come around, sit in the light and go north on Starkey. So I look here
in most of the neighborhood is it's a little bit more than a little bit I mean there are grids here. I mean the people from Hazel, if they're going north, they're driving up Mayor. So they're going in front of all those houses. I mean Um And then you're going on Patrick, so If you live on Hazel. You're driving through Mayor, you're driving through Patrick.
Kitty. So you're going in front of all those other houses. So I I I don't understand the hesitance, reluctance to um To put to continue working on a grid. Um I think the whole thing should be connected and then again you won't have these backups at these intersections. That's just better better planning, better design.
Mm-hmm.
So is there um
uh oh can I say one more I'm sorry, can I finish on the road main so we are changing the way that we maintain The local roads, so your private road the road that Say Hazel. In the past, as you said, you guys did a P VAS. Um that will change and we are going to go to a system where Everyone pays a fee. per year and the county's gonna maintain all roads and all sidewalks.
And our to a road fund.
Into a road fund and um your road will be maintained in a in a better condition. Um for forever. You won't have to go through that again. Yeah.
Thank you, Chairman Mariano. So I have I I have concerns Hazel was paved in the nineties. And with the volume of traffic coming in and out of the community, whether it be school traffic or residential traffic, adding that much more traffic, the road's nice today. But I'm not sure. I'm concerned about You know, what's the quality of that road? How long will it last? How many trips until that road starts to fall apart? And then it goes from a nice road today. And then two years from now it's on a
list and we've got to figure out how to pave it. Unintended consequences, if you will. So I have concerns with that. I appreciate Mr. Wynne coming and sharing the f the flooding issues, I want to make sure on our staff level that F flooding with this project is not going to impact neighbors and it's concerning to hear that project round the corner if that's happening. I really Like staff to take a look at it and make sure something didn't go wrong somewhere there. Um Based
on, you know, if this neighborhood comes to fruition Just as the folks on Hazel don't want neighborhood and school traffic. going down their road, the folks moving into this neighborhood probably have the same concern. So I'm tending to align with at least start off with a gated access for emergency access on Hazel. with pedestrian with a gate so school kids and parents can walk their kids to and from school. I think that's a happy medium when we figure out the sidewalks. And once we know the condition of the road And as
you know, progress happens in this area. A gate can be temporary. And then if it's appropriate to remove the gate uh for full access With both communities agreeing to that. Then I think that might be a good fix there for at least you know short short term.
Um going back to your point, and some some one of the residents brought it up, there absolutely should be no construction traffic on Hazel. Um And I'm and I'm sorry, did you say there would be a turn lane into into this neighborhood? Is there a name for the neighborhood? Did you say you were making turn lanes? Yeah, so that's that's where the construction is. Traffic
sort
of thing.
Construction traffic doesn't need to be we don't know the condition of this this road to even handle. Yeah, I'm I I would
say it's a good thing.
let's have the applicant come back up and tell us what the restriction is on construction.
Yeah.
Yes, exactly. Yeah. So when we are building left and right turn lanes on Hudson into the project driveway, that is at the in the in the traffic analysis and we meet the warranty.
Through the main entrance yet, right and left turns. Correct, yes. Okay.
Thank you. Is there another
question? So is uh is there a um
to To answer the second question,
construction is there specific that it'll travel to the question.
There is not a current condition in the MPUD that restricts construction traffic on Hazel, but we would accept a condition. That red.
Let's do that.
Yeah.
What while you're up? Can we go back to the map that just shows all the interconnection? For the future.
I think that one shows it the best.
Earlier when we first met Were there more connections that were
That we're just not connected, but
Joe Semeno to answer the question about iterations of plans and where we showed accesses and why
right now I see the I see the one on the right side a little bit. I thought we had one even going the far right. I say we do have one down low here, another one down low. But were there any other connections that were proposed for later on in case a development did come in?
Afternoon everyone. Uh Joe Simoneau with WRA Engineering, 12363, Hampton Park Boulevard, Tampa, 33624, and I have been sworn. Um there was never uh that cul-de-sac you see on the east side that never poked through. I think initially we only had one access to the north, but because of the width east to west of the project, we added the other one that's um that that upper lobe on the right hand side. So I think we've actually added stubs, or sorry, we've added cross connects as
the plan has been iterated.
Um
This illustrates the before there were three access points.
And then this shows the four.
Right. So and the reason I just bring out those points is for later on, as you mentioned, Commissioner Weightman, as we do build out around and things do come in. If you disperse it with three or four different connects instead of just one, which is gonna go all to the same place, then it can make sense. But right now I think the emergency access being closed Makes the most sense right now for everything. And let's focus on improving. What what is already crowded out front With traffic. Let's go fix that stuff with the infrastructure and w let's use the impact fee money we've
got coming in from the project to do that stuff. And let's go improve what's there before we open up A can of words we don't have to open up.
Um Sonia, can you put my picture up with the end of that road, please?
I just want to remind you that The way this road was built As it's part of a system.
Okay, no that's perfect. No go back go back the other way. Um gee I I don't know if that is that fence still there?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah? Um that is that is a road that was meant to continue. That is not a cul-de-sac or a three point turnaround. That is a road. That's going into the property to the next of it. To the next one. So Um
Uh again, I think it benefits the people on Hazel to be able to get out to Hudson without going on Cobra. So that's you know I'm not gonna Keep going there.
Yeah, thank you. Yeah, Commissioner Starkey I'm not disagreeing that this road isn't of isn't meant to not be used for a larger purpose. I don't think it's ready to be used for that greater volume of traffic. Today. Agreed. That's what the gate. So if we have access to if is if folks have access that live in this community. to Hudson Ave and they have access to come and go to take their kids from school, be it by foot or car, just for them. It's VIP gated access, if you will.
then over time and we see the wear and tear on this road.
for emergency but people on Hazel don't go in and out of there potentially. But the folks that live in this community get their kids to and from school. I didn't hear objection
Like
you're saying putting a
gate there
You're talking about
pedestrian traffic?
Yes, to get to and from to get to and from school and emergency access for
They're not g I I don't think these people are gonna walk their kids to school.
You don't know. We don't know. We don't know how they're gonna get their kids to school. It's the parents' choice how their kids get to school. It's our job to provide the means for that. So I think a a gated at least for the this point in time is appropriate.
Mr. Chairman Mariano
say a game. Mr.
Mariano. I'm ready to make a motion if you want. I'm ready. Okay. All right. I'm gonna move approval with And emergency access only at Hazel. I'm gonna go. look for staff to use the two hundred fifty thousand dollars contribu contribution for sidewalks uh to be looked at where the best place to put 'em and that could be on the east side, heading up to the school, uh to wherever they where they look. I want to have staff take a look and maybe bring it back to us at a at a better time where we can actually study it to go look
at those improvements on Hudson and Cobraway, the right turn right out, left turn lanes, um and possibly the Hayes Hudson Road.
Okay. Chairman Mariano. Yes, sir.
uh ability for the pedestrian folk uh gate or however we want to design it so folks can use hazel to walk or bike to school.
Yes, I think that was I thought that was in the development, but if not, we'll
get it. I'll
second
Commissioner Oakley's motion.
Mm Mr. Chairman M what you n what neither motion or seconder has done in in my tally is um restrict construction traffic on ha Hazel Avenue.
I will add that to my motion to restrict the construction traffic on Hazel Avenue.
And then I think the end of of what you said about the the intersection is probably not a development condition. But is direction to staff.
Okay. All right. Those
clarifications, I'm fine. Thank
you. have a motion and second. Um All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed, like, sign?
Nay.
Okay. We got it.
Um I d I did want to say to the residents if you want to petition there is a way to get streetlights on your light poles. I don't know how that happens, but there's a way you can get that done.