PDD 197433 Saint Verena daycare special exception
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Uh let's go back to six let's go back to three.
Okay.
Um also earlier the applicant was not here, so I'm a little bit concerned presenting this item with the applicant not being here as there's objection in the audience.
Okay and
Can we call to see if the applicant is here now? For Saint Verena.
Is the applicant present? Thank you. Excellent thought.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
So item PC three is PDD 197433. It's for the St. Verena Coptic Orthodox Church. It's for a daycare center in an AC agricultural district. The parcel is located in southwest Pasco County at the southwest corner of Parean Ranch Road and Old Farm Road and extends southerly to Outrider Road. The request is for a daycare center and uh currently the existing site contains a church and modular buildings which are b currently being used as a daycare center and pre-K. The total
number of proposed students for the daycare and pre-K are gonna are uh a total of 170.
So Denise? We can't see what is up there.
Okay.
It's
usually here.
Well we have that on our screen.
Yeah. Oh that's what you have on your screen. Okay. Well we're getting our audio person to take care of that. Apologize.
Okay, so we're going to be able to do
The surrounding zonings are um AC M P U D
Future land use is res three out there. Access to the properties from Prairie Ranch Road, there is no access being proposed uh through Old Farm or Outrider.
This is the proposed site plan. Currently they do have a preliminary site plan approval, which is in your finding effect number six. For two 23 by 60 modular buildings on the subject property. They're proposing a total of four. And this comes here with a recommendation of approval with conditions as contained in your packet. Here for any questions you may have.
Okay. Do we have any questions, Mr. Staff?
Okay, if the applicant do you want to come forward and uh tell us what your what thinking is there, what your plan is, and then you'll need to come back up and probably answer some questions.
You just state your name and address.
Um my name is Abby Emsis. I'm the director of the Daycare Center and the manager for the church.
Okay.
Yes. Um we've been in operation since uh August of uh twenty fourteen. We had all the approvals from the county, from DCF, fire marshal, everything. We just were trying because we just built a new church and we're trying to get all our papers in order, they told us that we have to come and do this. Um, no changing to the building. It's the same old existing building. There is no changing is going on. That's it.
All right. Um any questions from up here? If not right now, why don't you just sit in the front there and then you don't have such a long walk when you come back up. Okay, thank you. Okay. I think there were some people that had questions about it. Come s yeah. Come forward. Give us your name and address.
Laura Nelson in the property address uh concerns [address removed]. Um received a petition letter and spoke with some of my neighbors and there's one neighbor directly across from the church that did not receive by mail uh the notice so they were improperly mo no notified so I want to make sure they get put on any mailing list pertaining to any legal proceedings And I think you
just answered my question about ensuring there's no access road. Uh now or in the future from Old Farm Road or Outrider Road. And there was a barrier that had been removed when their Pope came to visit October sixth, twenty eighteen and according to the site plan Um Page five item number sixteen. Any buffering uh shall be replaced within thirty days after demise and or removal. So we're you know, asking
about that. What are the future plans for the expansion of the church and with the approval of this special exception, what can the church do or not do? And if the daycare's been in operation since June of two thousand fourteen, when did they receive approval um based on the special exception rules? So that's it. Those are my questions.
All right, we'll try to get those answered for you. And staff might have to answer a couple of their questions.
Denise Hernandez Planning and Development. So as stated in your finding of fact number six, they did receive preliminary site plan approval on June eighth, twenty sixteen. There was a finding and a condition actually of approval that stated that they had to come in and apply for special exception if they were proposing a church, I'm sorry, a sch a before or after school care. And this is an after an after-the-fact application. Um, it's not as a result of a of a notice of violation or anything
like that. As the person just stated, it looks like they were looking to see if all their items were in order. They found out that their items were not in order. So it's the application we have before us today.
Okay. All right. Would you like to add anything to that? I think there were some other few other questions. If you I don't I didn't see you were scribbling any notes there, so hopefully you remembered.
Mm, I just brought with me in the license for the daycare and which we renew every single year and to be able to uh renew that we have to get fire marshal approval and uh county. So we got all our papers are in order. So we don't have any problems with the papers to be operating a daycare since the day we opened. We just came across this so we want to make sure that all our papers are in order. That's it.
Okay. And what are your future plans there? Yeah, any particular plans?
As of now, there is no future plans going on. We're just trying to stable the place that we have. I know some of the neighbors have problems with having access from the other roads and we've told them before we never use these roads before. It was one occasion, one day, when we had the poke coming in, but that was pretty much it.
Okay. All right. Thank you. Any questions from up there?
Well I think there was a maybe I'm wrong, but I thought there was a question uh from the lady before about uh some buffering that might have went bad.
I will definitely bring that to the attention of the committee and we can get in touch with the uh neighbors around us and see what they need to be accommodated and we will be happy to work with them. Shouldn't be a problem.
Okay. Is there any requirement from the county?
So my understanding of what was r read in the preliminary site plan application or the preliminary site plan approval basically says that the buffers have to be kept in good condition, they have to be upkept. Um my understanding from the person who is in objection is that Um either fencing or some type of buffer has been kinda like Not by the church, by others who kind of use the back parking lot, please correct me if I'm wrong, um, to joyride or whatever. They've broken down that barrier.
So Um it has to be replaced.
Yeah, we'll bring that to the committee and it shouldn't be a problem. It's just a small entrance to the church from the other side and we'll be able to take care of that. Should it be a problem?
Okay. Alright. Anything else from up here.
I I just have one question for clarification. Under the um approval conditions Uh the recommended condition number one says that the special exceptions limited to the twenty eight eighty two thousand eight hundred and eighty square feet of the mod basically the modular buildings.
Yes.
Just for clarity, that's the entire daycare, so 170 kids and twenty employees are gonna be in that twenty eight hundred square feet.
That's not the twenty eight hundred square feet. No. So we need to
correct that condition if because that was what was provided to
us in the application.
Right.
Yes. But we have the main building that was built I think in two thousand eleven.
For the daycare center we're talking today about the daycare center.
The daycare center only. The daycare center occupies that building which is the one that was built in 2011.
That was not in the narrative. So w we provided we went with the information that was in the narrative that was provided by the applicant. So we need to make a correction to that condition.
So what is the correct What is the square footage, the correct
square footage?
I think it's about fifteen thousand. I'm not sure.
Can you just identify by the buildings as opposed to the square footage?
Okay.
So you feel comfortable out identifying the building?
Yes.
Right. No, any other questions?
I have one question. The applic. The individual spoke about the roads and I wrote down traffic, no road. Can you explain how traffic is going to be impacted in the area? How the vehicles get in and out? I didn't
May not be so apparent, but they have a a great deal of the easy. Um there is a circular motion that occurs on the site. I don't know if you can see that from So they come in through Praine Ranch and they can loop around and come out. There is a finding of fact regarding the timing and phasing. Stating that they were found to be exempt based
on that the proposed use results in a gross trip increase of less than fifty peak hour trips a.m. or PM.
So the access is from Pirine Ranch? They're not accessing through any of these residential roads. Actually there's a uh barrier. Of course it that it's kind of broken in one of the areas as uh the person identified, but they there's no access through any of the local roads here. Accesses through parine ratio. Sorry?
Go over the traffic pattern one more time.
Sure. There's a finding effect on finding effect number seven. Um Submitted a timing and phasing application and on July seventeenth, twenty nineteen, it was found to be exempt from timing and phasing as the highest and best use of the proposed use would result in a gross trip increase of less less than fifty peak hour trips, AM or PM, whichever is higher. When they come back in to update their preliminary site plan, they'll have to do an access management analysis
at that time. Because their preliminary site plan that they have approval for is only for a total of two modular buildings and their site plan shows a total of four.
And that's in uh a condition of approval as well as condition of approval number three.
Okay. Okay. Yeah, that's it. Thank you.
All right.
So if there are no further questions, I hear a motion.
Yeah.
Motion to approve with the recommended or the revised condition of approval number one.
To include both the modular building and the existing building.
A second. Okay, so we have a motion and a second as modified.
All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Aye.
Uh roll call it. All in favor?
Hi.
Aye. Aye. No. Oh boatie. Okay.
Okay. Thank you.