PC11 PDD-227422 North Pasco RV Resort MPUD

2:01:37Alright, the companion Zoning amendment.

2:01:47Good afternoon, Planning Commissioner Tammy Snyder, Planning and Development.

2:02:11Mm-hmm.

2:02:17All right, here we have the North Pasco RV Resort M PUD, PDD 227422.

2:02:26And as you know, here's the location map. I-75 on the south and east, Lake Iola Road on the west and north. And proposed is a rezoning request from an AC and AR agricultural zoning districts to an MPUD to allow the development of a 550-space RV resort and associated infrastructure and amenities on approximately 131.68 acres.

2:02:54They're also requesting a variation from the LDC section 805.6, restrictions on post-development wetlands and upland buffers within residential lots and non-residential parcels to allow a recorded covenant over the entirety of the MPUD rather than creating an HOA, CDD, merchants, or property owners association. The covenant will impose upon the developer a Perpetual obligation to operate, maintain, repair, replace, ensure, and pay taxes with respect to all open space, drainage,

2:03:25common areas, landscaped areas, wetland areas, buffer areas, preservation, conservation areas, recreation areas and park areas, and other special purpose areas, unless the said areas is are required to be dedicated to another governmental entity.

2:03:43And here is the master plan.

2:03:48Project is located between and abutting Lake Iola Road and I-75 and is in the North Market area. And on May 29th, 2020, the applicant received approval for an alternative standard request to reduce the right-of-way dedication on Lake Iola Road from 67.5 to 57 feet per resolution 19-136.

2:04:12And the LDC specifies that variations from the code may be reviewed and approved by the PC and BCC during the public hearing. Variations shall be allowed where the BCC specifically finds in the particular case that the proposed variations meet or exceed the intent. Um of the code. And the PDD has reviewed the requested variation and found that it meets the intent of the LDC. And the proposed request is consistent with the Pasco County Administrator Chapter 400. uh subsection 402.2

2:04:42zoning amendment and PEDs and with the applicable provisions of the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan. And with that, the PDD recommends approval to the BCC with conditions.

2:04:55Okay, thank

2:04:56you. The applicant? Yes.

2:04:59The

2:04:59applicant speaks. TME. So Um Looking at the packet, condition thirty three which deals with vacation rental communities. Um and tourism tax. does not appear to be consistent with the condition that we talked about. More recently. So

2:05:21as of yesterday, no that that's being presented by Barbara. And when you No,

2:05:25I'm not talking about the one that Barbara drafted yesterday. I'm talking about Condition thirty three. Condor redrafted condition thirty-two. Condition thirty three deals with Right now what's in our packet says the entire MPD should not be deemed a vacation rental community Pursuant to four two point five B. So that language is not what we I thought we had agreed to. And I have an email from you where we had Agreed to different language. Um

2:05:54Which basically says that they can do alternative standard at the time of site plan approval. Which is different than what's in these conditions today.

2:06:05And I just emailed you, may I realize you don't have access to a computer, but it has the exact language that I thought we all agreed to.

2:06:14I apologize, I don't recall off the top of my head, but um It's

2:06:19very possible.

2:06:21Could have been an oversight on my part.

2:06:24You sent me an email saying the new condition would be The MPD shall follow the regulations in section four two point five B of the L D C as may be amended. Unless an alternative standard is approved part of the site plan approval for any variations from the code. Regardless of any approved conditions or alternative standards, the MPD should comply with section four hundred two point five B twelve A Tourist tax. That's What you told me, you sent me an email saying that would be the new condition. That conditions not what's in the packet.

2:06:53Well that was my oversight then I didn't I didn't Revise the

2:06:57packet. I guess I'll ask Barbara is you've agreed to this new one, the one I just read.

2:07:04Yes, if you could email me while polycomments going on so I can just check it. But yes. I would I would add that The vacation rental ordinance applies to dwelling units and but and we're not dwelling units, but but we already agreed to language, David, and I agree. And follow as long as I can check it, I'll come back up here and check that for the record.

2:07:20Okay. I'll confirm it for the record as long as I

2:07:22can just redo it real quick. Um

2:07:25And then the other thing is that Tammy didn't cover the revisions to condition thirty-two. Are you going to cover those? Yes. Okay.

2:07:32So Barbara Will Hight, 6327, Grand Boulevard, New Port Richey Florida. As far as presentations go, we're not going to repeat our presentation. We just ask that our presentation be incorporated into the record for this item. as well as I'm sure staff's presentations as well, because I'm sure you don't want to hear all that again. But I did make a revision to condition 32 that I put on your dais to make it clearer and more restrictive on the project. in response to some of the public comment that we had read about. It wasn't brought

2:08:02up here today, but what we had read about regarding the six month and and how that's enforced. So we'd like for that if you do see it so fit to have a motion to recommend approval, we'd like for that change to be made to condition 32. And then I'll read the condition 33 language and come back up and confirm that after you hear public comment. Thank you.

2:08:24Okay, thank you.

2:08:32So Mr. Chair, I'm gonna go through the list again because all of those who signed for signed up for P10 also signed up for P11. So the first person I have is Carl Wright.

2:08:42Okay. Thank you. I have been sworn and I do swear frequently. I like launch that's I said I'd have more specifics when I got up. I want to speak to you from two points of view. First as an RV owner myself. No in Deference to what was stated. Every R V park or every campground I've ever been in has a specific check-in time and a specific checkout time. Therefore, I find comments that oh

2:09:12it's gonna be intermittent. Kind of misleading. Uh I also will say That the typical R V pulls in, gets in the campsite, and in this case an R V resort, they're gonna have electrical hookups, water hookups, and sewer hookups. Um I've never been to an RV park or a campground where the Unit owner did not hook up the sewer. And I've seen many people spill sewage on the

2:09:42ground. In many circumstances. It's unclean, gets into the ground, it seeps into the groundwater or seeps in places. Um The typical R V. is really a home on wheels. and most of them have two occupants. Um many of the people out in this area. Our married couples, children have moved away. So we're really talking about potentially adding 550 homes. To

2:10:13an area. that doesn't have central sewage or central water. Um And by their own numbers Um I had calculated it to be four point one seven. But I wasn't taking into account the land that was under water. They're saying four point six six. That's four point six six ERUs or equivalent residential units. on an acre. I

2:10:44it's my understanding that anything east of Pasco under the uh rural overlay is supposed to be uh five acres. No. Four point six six on one acre is a lot less. Um I'm gonna also talk to you from point of view I worked for Swift Mud for twenty-two years. um working with utility systems, looking for leaks on infrastructure. I can tell you 100% that there's no system that's 100% leak proof. So

2:11:14as far as containing everything on the ground, It's not gonna happen. There will be leaks. Lastly, um I like the term residential lodging. But there's an old adage that says you can dress up a pig and you still have a pig. I agree with you, Mr. Gray. that uh charging people to reside on your land and they're gonna charge a lot I don't know how, when money is charged that can't be considered commercial.

2:11:45In my book that's commercial. And I don't think this RV park has any business being in the rural part of Pasco County. Thank you. Thank you very much.

2:12:00All right, next.

2:12:05So the following person we have is Nancy Hazelwood.

2:12:19Nancy Hazewood, [address removed]. Uh you know, I I read um through all their justification. I've got a question. I was wondering why they don't have roads in there and why it's called a driveway. I mean, that that doesn't make sense to me. I can see driveways all the way through. But How are you gonna go through a hundred acres if

2:12:49you've got a place to park your RV right at the end? Thank you.

2:12:55Thank you.

2:12:58Okay.

2:13:04Come on up.

2:13:07Sorry about that. The next person is Paul Butcher. I apologize.

2:13:12Yes, Paul Betcher, [address removed]. Oh my god. I've got my glasses, but um Uh

2:13:20Oh, and I hold it for you.

2:13:22Um Water quality parameters for Moody Lake have been collected since at least July of nineteen ninety-four. during the ensuing Oh my gosh. Good to have a secretary. Uh during the ensuing years until 2018, the water quality of the lake has continued to be stressed, both by agricultural practices and by the Interstate Highway, now divides the lake into east and west body of water. Trophy And it's been considered eutrophic, a eutrophic

2:13:53water body. uh has high biological productivity due to excess nutrients, especially nitrogen and phosphorus. The increased impervious surfaces of having five hundred and fifty RV parking spaces plus other proposed commercial buildings to accommodate those residents will overwhelm any containment system. system, given the topography of the area and even further degrade the quality of the lake. A comprehensive lake management plan. For

2:14:23Moody Lake needs to be addressed before any development occurs. Find out what's there and how it's gonna be impaired as time goes on, you know? This planning process should include lake and tributary water quality analysis. estimates of pollutant loading from the watershed and lake sediments and lake water quality uh response model to at least start taking some uh lake water quality because Swift Mud stopped the process in 2018. Um

2:14:55Who's speaking up? at Pasco government and saying this project or that is not in the best interests of the people's water resources. You know, who's there? My background comes from working 34 years in the US Geological Survey in Wisconsin and Central Florida. Milwaukee Harbor Estuary Project, Kings Bay Estuaring System, Horse Creek, Evapor Transpiration Studies, Supervisor for the Minimum Flows and Levels with Swift MUD, working the five largest river systems going into the Everglades.

2:15:26There's projects, there's science that happens. It's not like someone said, Well, no, we don't have to sample this. Well, how do you know? There's a problem unless you take samples, unless you find the science. Please let's um We need to implement and enforce policies and programs designed to preserve and reinforce. the positive qualities of our rural lifestyle and protect rural communities and agricultural areas. Let's do some due diligence

2:15:56here, please. Thank you.

2:15:58Just a quick quick question. Quick question.

2:16:00Yes,

2:16:01sir. So if they took samples, knowing the Swift Mud doesn't do that anymore, who who would they report to?

2:16:09Well hopefully too there's there's gonna be an environmental at some day and age, uh hopefully Pasco County will have an uh environmental protection commission like Hillsborough has. They've had one for over thirty years. Well, I'm I'm talking

2:16:24about today. What what they report to?

2:16:29They could report it to Swift Mud. There's a lake they have Lake Watch programs.

2:16:32But do they

2:16:33they could get in Do they analyze

2:16:34the testing, Swift Mud now?

2:16:36Yeah. If you'd give them a sample, they'll process it in their lab and put it in their database. But right now there's the stopped it. Just like most science with Swift Mud, I guess it got too political about collecting real science, so they stopped it and now just approved things. Some Okay. Maybe two. Just

2:16:56curious. All right. Thank you. Thank you very much.

2:16:58I'll let you you know, I'll if you want further information.

2:17:01Yeah, absolutely.

2:17:02Andrea Goody

2:17:04is next.

2:17:12Right. I've been sworn. My name is Andrea Goody. I live at [address removed]. I'm also an RV owner. And I want to tell you one thing. You're driving a 40-foot RV, pulling a 20-foot car or more. Some people add a boat onto that. And you come down Lake Iola Road. I know you're all talking about I-75, but they come up Lake Iola Road. They come from 52. They come from the other end of the county. So it isn't just 75. I'd like

2:17:42to know who did the traffic study from Lake Iola Road for Star.

2:17:49That's a question. I don't need to know it now. Um, the second thing I want to ask is Yeah, in the water study you mentioned something like eight acres was where they Push the water out onto are there RVs on that or is that separated by some magic white picket fence or something? The third thing is you mentioned that the orchard trees make it very agriculturally okay. The orchard trees that I go by on Lake Iola Road by your area are dead. My husband has

2:18:20been growing kumquats all over the world and here for most of his life. And he tells me those trees are dead, so I think he's a pretty smart man. Um the the other thing I want to ask you is, where is your water coming from if you don't have a city system or a town system? I'd like to know. Uh, because there's other things to know is that if we start watering the orchards, the ones that are good orchards, it'll drop your level wickedly in your Campers may not or your R Vers may not have any water at all. So where

2:18:50does that water come from? I'd like to know. And I asked about the study, who did the traffic study on the Lake Iola part and the orchard trees that look dead to us, the eight acres of that go onto the thing, are there RB place parks RV placed on those areas? And where does the water come from? I also want to comment on my hopefully this is my last meeting in this area I'll ever have to attend unless it's for a good thing. But if amazingly an attorney at one

2:19:20of our city planning meetings said, you know. Unless you're an expert, you don't even bother standing up here and talking. Because if all 6,000 people of Dade City came up here and said, we don't want this, we'd say, you guys just don't know any better. We'll decide for you. Sounds like government to me. Thank you.

2:19:42Thank you.

2:19:44Francis Goody is next.

2:19:52And just so the next person will be ready, followed by Lisa Moretti.

2:19:56Okay. Pardon? What'd you say? Go ahead, Mr. Good. Okay. My name's Francis Goody. I l also live at [address removed]. And uh Aye uh My question is to do with a a elected is where the water feeds from Lake Aola. to Hancock Lake. Oh. If you put

2:20:28Uh

2:20:30If you if you put ca cabinets into the ground. What's to say that those templates don't go in a different direction? than just into Hancock Lake. And it's like a little bit. Is one of the cleanest lakes. And the whole State of Florida.

2:20:53And I was, I learned to swim in Lake Aola. And the water quality in that lake is just as good now as it was before.

2:21:04And if you put contaminants within a mile of that lake. What happens when the water goes down through there? And it hits A layer of clay or rock. That water's not necessarily gonna

2:21:23gonna go the direction that you think it would.

2:21:30That that I'm sorry. That's a pun. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Goodyear.

2:21:41Still form. So after Ms. Moretti, it's Kelly Smith, then followed by Margaret Woods.

2:21:47This one's still feeling good about it. Um All of this kind of reminds me of the movie City Slickers. In that um How many of you have actually driven past this piece of property or know Lake Iola Road, know where this piece of property is? Okay, great. So you understand that the topography. I've talked to Mr. Hines. His family used to own this piece of land and he's like, you can't build what they're talking about building on this land because it's not gonna work. Now, you have all kinds of engineers and people that are willing

2:22:17to come in and tell you, oh sure you can. But the people that have been living on this land for Well, close to 200 years can tell you that's not the way it works on that piece of land. So Unfortunate that we don't take that into consideration. I wanted to clear up one thing. I do not consider it my committee. I know it's Mr. Oakley's committee and that we serve at his pleasure, basically. But I also want to point out that at the very first meeting, we were told that we could not speak about this project. And

2:22:48so that kind of constrained us from being able to address some of your concerns, Mr. Goldstein. So um We have been able to work very quickly. I think it's been remarkable how much we've accomplished with such disparate views to be able to come to consensus. And we're able to make recommendations, I feel, very quickly. So I don't think that asking for a little bit longer when the developer and his attorney are perfectly willing to meet to say that

2:23:18they've been working at this for quite a long time. A little bit longer isn't going to hurt this project. A little bit longer would allow everything to come together so that The community could feel like whatever decisions you're making are actually congruent with the work that the community's done. Otherwise, you're just telling the community that their work doesn't matter, that they might as well just go stand in a corner and talk into a void. So I would ask again on this project, same thing, that you would consider postponing it, continuing it, and

2:23:48allowing the rest of the work that's being done around this to come together. This project feels very magical because it's commercial but it's not commercial. It's residential, but it's not residential. It's got density, but it doesn't have density. And it's like everywhere we talk about this project, it's looping through these little loopholes. And it doesn't fall into anything that we've been able to get our arms around. But knowing that you

2:24:18consider it not commercial. but not residential, then the NURAC committee could look at Well, they've decided that they are going to meet commercial standards, so maybe we need to talk about the specific type of commercial standards that would match up to what you're asking for. So I would ask that you give our committee a chance to address your concerns. So thank you.

2:24:42Thank you.

2:24:57Good afternoon again, Kelly Smith, [address removed]. I am again going to ask that you postpone this public hearing until after the NERAC committee has completed their recommendations. And that is based not on their recommendations for design standards, but again on their conversation and discussion about whether or not there needs to be any additional commercial. zoned properties within the northeast overlay. Whether you're

2:25:27calling this non-residential or commercial or Recreational lodging, which I don't think there is a definition of recreational lodging in the comprehensive plan, but I could be wrong on that. The developer has put forward in their um arguments for why they should be approved, that they are consistent with commercial future land use elements. So clearly they're seeing this as commercial. And again, the

2:25:58committee has determined that there does not need to be any additional commercial area within the overlay, with the exception of those two nodes. doesn't include this location and certainly is not expanding it by 130 acres. Thank you.

2:26:15Make it

2:26:26Um Margaret Woods, [address removed]. I really appreciated that Ms. Moretti did mention that. at the initial Nerak Meeting. Um, when several different people brought up in the public comments that that, you know, is the R V Part going to be considered in this, Mr. Oakley stood up and actually told them that this was not the place for that, that this had nothing to do with that, and we weren't discussing that at that time. So we

2:26:57weren't allowed to bring that up, even though. It is a commercial venture. So when Ms. Wilhite mentioned that, you know, there were two, I don't know if it was Ms. Wilheite or maybe Jeffrey Jenkins, mentioned there were just the two nodes that had been discussed or approved and other things, and this hadn't been talked about, it's because we weren't allowed to talk about it. We weren't even allowed to bring it up and discuss it in the public comments before the committee started discussing it. My other comment that I want to make is that In

2:27:27the Northeast Rural Pasco Protected Area, if you are going to have more than 20 residences, and agreed, this is not called a residential area, but it is an MPUD that they're asking for for zoning, a master planned unit development. So in the Northeast Rural Pasco ordinances, if you have more than 20 homes, you are supposed to be um uh clustering those homes and you are supposed to set aside 50% of that property

2:27:58as open space. Well in this property of 131 acres, if 14 is still part of the lake, then that would certainly be open space. But you really you have 65 acres basically that you can put the residences on and that leaves you at 8.4 um density, not four point six. And I just find that It is unfortunate that we weren't allowed to bring this up to NARAC. The whole point of

2:28:28that committee was to come up with the proper commercial uses in the Northeast Pasco rural protected area. And it is not being very protected when every time we turn around, there are some exceptions being made for that. Thank you.

2:28:51Mr. Chair, that was the last person I had signed up to speak.

2:28:54Okay, I can And I don't think uh is there anybody new that wants to speak? Okay. Come forward.

2:29:14Thank you. You may want to pull the microphone down a bit. Thank you.

2:29:17My name is Gail Wright, [address removed]. As my husband said earlier, we are our veers. So I have a personal knowledge of what goes on in these parks. First of all, if they go to full capacity of 550, that's 1,100 people in there. Not counting the people who are working in the restaurants. The

2:29:48maintenance people and so forth. That's one thousand one hundred people flushing toilets. That's one thousand one hundred people taking showers. That's one thousand one hundred people. uh who are eventually gonna be doing laundry or 550 doing laundry. Uh that's a lot of water. Where are they getting their water from? Is it deep wells? Because all the Houses

2:30:18out in that area. Are all wells. That's also a lot of storage. Coming out. And going somewhere. Because that you can't dump it on the ground. Um

2:30:36If they're not at capacity, if they say, Well, we're not gonna fill up that much, well then why putting so why are you putting so many spots in? It's not pleasant being in an RV park where you're four feet away from your neighbor. There's no room to do anything. Also Why do they feel the need of putting in yurts? and airstreams to rent. and other things they want to rent. Now we're becoming a hotel. Not

2:31:07just Narvey Park. And as far as the lineup I sat outside an RV park in Virginia. And about 3 30, 4 o'clock, we were already in. I sat outside their little store. And they must have had. Ten RVs lined up. Each one had to go in and register and there was a major backup. And you see this

2:31:37all the time. So unless they have some provision to put all these extra trailers while they're waiting to come in. They're gonna be backed up on the road. And my big concern is where they're getting their water and where is all this going. Because

2:31:56They're gonna have to have lift stations or something like that to take care of the storage. And I just don't think they plan ahead. And as far as I'm concerned, 550 is still too much. You're cramming people in. It's become a money-making operation. It certainly is commercial and there's no getting around it. Thank you.

2:32:18Yeah.

2:32:28My name is Richard Ronan.

2:32:31He'll give us a tree software.

2:32:33Yeah. Richard, we need your name and address, please.

2:32:37My name is Richard Riley, [address removed]. I live in the rural protected area. And I don't have a lot of extra facts. You've heard a lot. A lot of these people are very well on. They have a good background. They live here. They know the accounts of the cars and all this stuff. What I want to do is I'm gonna ask philosophically. Now, you've received a lot of advice from our uh county attorneys and other people.

2:33:08I'd like to suggest that you, the board members, are not. required Two vote for something on facts. But you are also being asked as advisory boards to vote your conscience, to vote what you think should happen. We have this Pearl Royal Protected Area because we, the

2:33:38county, and some of us that were here at that time, swapped it for passing the hills. You've heard that before. This is a swap. Protect us. So I'm pleading with you, the board members. Whether you think this is legal and a prop and possible that you also think about what Is philosophically a protected area, an area with these people behind me

2:34:08that want to live in a rural area and don't want 500 RVs driving up and down their roads. This is not what we wanted here. So I ask you. Please. Even though I may be corrected with uh Mr. Goldstein, I think you can vote your conscience. And not necessarily have to base it all on fact. If he tells you that you have to, then so be it. However, I implore

2:34:39your conscience, protect our rural protected area by delaying and then voting and recommending that this not be approved by the County. County Commissioner.

2:34:56Yeah.

2:34:58So I I would like to address that because What Mr. Riley said might have been true for the plan amendment in the sense that that's a legislative decision for Planning Commission and the Board about whether you want to attend amend the comprehensive plan. But for rezoning, you have definite criteria in your land development code. And if the applicant meets their burden of proof of showing the rezoning is consistent with the Land Development Code and the Comp plan. then you do have to approve it, unless it unless denying it would serve

2:35:29some underlying public purpose. But That it's a different standard for rezoning than it is for a plan amendment. So What he just stated may be true for a plan amendment, but you've already voted to approve that. So the zoning, you don't have that kind of discretion. If it's consistent with the land development code and the comm plan. You have to approve it.

2:35:50Okay. Thank you for clarific clarification, David. All right. Is there anybody else that would like to speak? Barbara, would you like to come up and address the concerns?

2:36:03Issued.

2:36:08I would like to bring Frances up for a moment. Um she authored both the Northeast Pasco Rural Area and Pasadena Hills. So you keep hearing this statement. I'd like to us to get on the record while we have her here in Pasco County. And then if you want to hear from Joe Simoneau, he can go back through the stormwater, water, sewer explanation again. That's up to the the the commission. And I have a few comments after that.

2:36:34Francis Chandler Marino, 1239 Fruit Cove Road, North St. John's, Florida. So as Barbara said, I did, was the project manager and the author of both the Northeast Pasco Rural Plan, the Comprehensive Plan amendment that was done to implement that in 2005. and Pasadena Hills study and its comprehensive plan amendment that was done several years later. Um, there was not any relationship between the two. The Comp Plan amendment uh

2:37:04that was done in 2005 for the rural area plan was done um as a part of the year-based amendments that the county was doing at the time and that was a contentious area. So we did the had the the the study done for the Northeast Pasco rural area. It was several years later that we were approached. My firm was approached by the county and a group of developers jointly who then asked for us to plan for that area. So that was a separate study,

2:37:34a separate time, a separate amendment. I just wanted to clarify that those were not discussed at the same time or together or had any relationship to one another. Yeah.

2:37:46Thank you.

2:37:46Any questions? Well, I just want to add to what Francis just said, because I'm fairly familiar with the V OPH plan. And the VOPH plan is a series of villages surrounded by residential density supporting those villages. I don't know that V OPH really has an area that's ideal for an R V park like this. I mean, it's they're they're sort of neighborhood villages that you might see in like West Park Village, for example. They're not V OPH was not designed

2:38:16to accommodate this type of facility.

2:38:20That's correct. The Pasadena Hills particularly was designed with that urban form of development in order to protect the integrity of the infrastructure that was in place in that part of the county. You didn't have a lot of roadway infrastructure, and one of the ways to try to do that was to implement some more urban form of development as a way to protect.

2:38:47Yeah.

2:38:48All right. Any other questions or For Francis.

2:38:51Got it?

2:38:54Uh

2:38:54Steve Henry Links Associates. Uh speaking again. One of the things that that came up was the queuing and uh I don't know, is this site plan in the file in the package?

2:39:05Yes, this this plan is in the MPD.

2:39:07Okay, th this is the the actual plan that's in there. And and the the reality is as far as queuing, if you look at the plan as you come in, there's actually three lanes of stacking. For RVs to stack Why when they come in. So it's not one one lane. of of RVs that have come in or you can actually stack them three deep. three lanes of of cars, there are RVs that can queue, and then there's a bypass lane in addition to that. So from a queuing standpoint, it's the

2:39:37it I think it was perceived that there was only one lane coming in. There's actually three lanes of queuing.

2:39:43Did you identify the footage? Did you have the

2:39:45vehicle? I the trailer. Unfortunately I don't I don't have the dimensions, but uh but I just want at least Yeah, that there is a a very significant area of queuing for RVs to be gotta get in.

2:39:58I was looking at the same thing. No, Peter, and I it looks like it's two or three hundred feet back to the gate. So I mean it's way more than the seventy-five feet standard from the code.

2:40:07I'm I'm sure it was there, but for for for those have who have not seen all the documentation, it would be good for them to. to know that there's significant footage. for the vehicle, the trailer.

2:40:22Right.

2:40:23Multiple language, correct.

2:40:25Steve, one one question before you go. So are they checking in at the so I'm looking at your concept land, so I see the three lanes. Are they checking in? at that building that's right there, or do they continue on to the clubhouse to check in or how? T'es Just I mean, are are we moving them through that that Point there quickly or

2:40:45Brian might look. Is Brian still

2:40:47I I'm getting a nod from from the developer that yes, that is the check-in location.

2:40:57Did we want to hear about water and sewer and stormwater again?

2:41:00I guess it was a question about water quality

2:41:02testing. Mm Mr. Simono is ready.

2:41:07Joe Simono, WR Engineering, I haven't sworn. One of the things I one very valid question was: where is the water coming from? A water use permit will have to be attained from the Southwest Florida Water Management District. That's entirely standard. I was just on my phone confirming that Traveler's Arrest is up to date with their water use permit, all their meter readings, everything is in compliance. We would have something nearly identical. In place at our resort. And then just to confirm, a few things were said about

2:41:37the wastewater treatment. There is no untreated water being discharged into green space and hoping the ground treats it through percolation. It's going to a wastewater treatment plant on site that actually has redundancy, meaning there's two identical treatment trains, each capable of handling the full treatment for the peak discharge. If one half of the system goes down, one half can run it alone. and there's two there. Um after the water is treated, it will then be discharged.

2:42:09into percolation, uh percolation um systems in eight acres of green space that will not have any RVs over them. They will be green space. I think that was it. Water in, water out. Well, I think the only other

2:42:24question

2:42:25was about water

2:42:26testing in the lake.

2:42:27Ah, yes. I also used my phone to confirm what Mr. Girardi said. Uh, the DEP does analyze all the watersheds that that I'm aware of in the state. I'm not sure where their limits are, but I'm sure that they've analyzed this area because there's areas around it that are deemed impaired for water quality, which if you walked into the water management district with a project discharging into one of those basins. All that means is slightly above and beyond water quality treatment criteria. I double checked and we are currently Lake Moody's not showing

2:42:57up as an impaired basin. But again, if it is, it's business as usual. It's just additional treatment that's required.

2:43:05all the other wastewater that's comes from the surrounding dwelling units and uh The northeast area. How is that treated? Outside your park.

2:43:18Oh I I'm I I'm believed septic.

2:43:21Septic goes right into the ground.

2:43:23Yeah, in fact, in that case, it actually is raw wastewater going into the ground and percolating through and hoping the ground does its magic. In this case, that is we are not talking septic systems. We are talking send it to a water quality treatment plant. With dual trains, one goes down, the other can handle the peak flow. And then once treated, that water will percolate into the ground. Okay.

2:43:46And Joe, just to confirm, whenever you submit, assuming you get through the land use in the zoning, you still have to go through a site plan review process, you still have to go through natural resources with the county, all the Swift Mud reviews.

2:43:57Yes, sir. We will be run through the ringer. There will be multiple agencies that review this. Um, and whatever this map I just looked, sorry, what the map shows that I looked up now will be completely meaningless. It will be whatever that map shows at the day of middle. If it's impaired, we need to treat it. If it's a closed basin, we need to overattenuate. Um this by no means constitutes an approval of the engineering of this project.

2:44:22Good luck to you 'cause I heard a rumor that that was on y you weren't able to do what you want to do there. So good luck.

2:44:27It's gonna be a fun grading plan.

2:44:32So just a few final comments. My team can answer these questions because we took a year pause. They studied, they did a topographic survey. So they're not just coming here and just saying stuff and making up off top of their heads about what they generally know. They've actually reviewed this. We actually hired somebody to do the design of the wastewater treatment plant. We've actually did the design of the stacking because all of these concerns that you heard today, we heard. at the first neighborhood meeting. So we come here with a lot of information and I'm glad we were able to share and answer all your questions.

2:45:02If you have any remaining questions, we would we'd love the opportunity to answer them and we'd appreciate your support and recommendation of approval. Thank you.

2:45:10Barbara just real quick, I have one other question and I should ask this because I heard it referenced earlier. What is what are the size of the R V spaces?

2:45:1730 by 50. They're 30 feet wide. And RV is you know plus nine or ten feet wide. I mean, yeah. So we're not talking about How it's been represented to you.

2:45:32And there in the land you said there was only gonna be four feet between RVs. I didn't

2:45:36know they're thirty foot wide spaces. Barbara,

2:45:39before you sit down, uh condition thirty-three.

2:45:42Thank you.

2:45:43Send me an email saying you agreed to the Revised condition I read into the record. That's correct.

2:45:49Thank you. I forgot. Thank you. Yes, I do.

2:45:51All right. Thank you.

2:45:53Just for the record, should we we read revise condition thirty-two as well? Or what's being

2:46:00handed out to the Planning Commission. So I think they could have thirty three, really. Well there's two of them. There's thirty-three and thirty-two, but Thirty-two, the revisions were handed out to the Planning Commission, so I think they know what those

2:46:15I believe they were. It's uh let me find them. No, that's a different one. It's this one right here. Yeah. It was in Barbara's packet of stuff. That's the revision to condition thirty two, although I think Mr. Tanello had a question about this condition. So we

2:46:31might as well address it now. Asking now, yeah. Well, I guess the main concern is that if it's 108 days, it's well six months, same difference. Um there couldn't be impacts. There could be students in those Yeah. And yet we won't get any of the impact fee. None of the impacts will be observ you know, the county will get the Tax collecting fees, but we won't get any So how do we address that?

2:46:58It's condition thirty two of the M P U D.

2:47:00Yeah.

2:47:00Right. But I mean what I'm saying is When a child registers, they list their address. So we know where their address is. If a child is in this address, The school system is serving them but they're not no impact fee being collected for that. So how does that be a little bit more?

2:47:17I guess we're not going to be able to We have to figure this out because the county does not consider a use that It has less than six months of occupancy to be a residential use. And so in general it wouldn't be subject to residential impact fee. I get your point, but I I guess I would ask you wastewater. Why are you serving I mean, why are you Are you providing bus transportation to these folks in RV parks?

2:47:48I would most likely because the name near nearest school is very far away.

2:47:54I guess, you know, and and one way we can cross that bridge when we come to it. But at the at the end of the day We're not getting They're they're

2:48:12Pardon me?

2:48:13That they're they're coming basically staying in an R V space and then they're sending their child to a Pasco school.

2:48:21It could happen, that's what I'm saying.

2:48:22Well, okay. I understand that it could happen. I guess is it happening in reality? I mean, are you aware of actual students? I mean, it wouldn't be obvious to me that if I was going to stay in an R V resort that I would send my child to local school. I mean, but I'm asking you

2:48:39A lot of the R V

2:48:40reality.

2:48:41A lot of the R V parks are age restricted. restricted, so we don't have that issue.

2:48:47Okay. We have a lot of old RV parks in Pasco County. that don't have this limitation. And so they could stay there year round and send their children to school. And for those, I agree with you that that would create a school impact.

2:49:02Yeah.

2:49:03But all the newer RV parks we approve, we have the same limitation that says they can't stay there more than six months. And if they do, There's a condition after this one that says they have to pay a school impact fee and mobility fees and ever all the impact fee they avoided if they stay there longer than six months. I mean, I guess we could look at changing that six month duration to something else, but that's the same duration fee for tourism tax.

2:49:30Mm-hmm.

2:49:30So

2:49:33I'm trying to figure out is this really a problem? Like do you really have people sending kids to school From an R V park. I mean a newer R V park. I don't mean the old ones.

2:49:46Yeah. I think in reality would what we would do is um If there is an impact we would if it goes over the hundred and eighty days then we would actually just I guess go through the process of

2:49:57I mean

2:49:57my guess is that

2:49:59my guess is that if you really if they're really sending their kids to school, they're gonna wanna stay there longer than hundred and eighty days. Mm-hmm. They're not gonna wanna keep pulling their kids out. I mean, it's possible, but i I It seemed to me that it'll be a little bit more than a little bit. unlikely that that would happen. Yeah. David,

2:50:14could we add school board to condition thirty-two so they can review our log as well? If they want to enforce this covenant.

2:50:21I'm okay with that too. I I guess his his issue appears to be with the six months though.

2:50:26Well, but six month is by state law transient. Your your code, your land development code from a for school impact fee's It's we have to it's we took the language right out of there and we've we have to comply with that. So but if you want to add to thirty two that the school board can also review our

2:50:42registers then they can improve.

2:50:47I mean Pries to send their child to school. What do you do?

2:50:50They're just served, yeah.

2:50:53So

2:50:54I think that's a bigger issue then.

2:50:55Yeah.

2:50:56Isn't just RV parks.

2:50:57Right, right.

2:50:58That I don't know that we're gonna solve today.

2:51:00Okay.

2:51:00Um because you're basically saying you're forced to serve them. Even if they're just staying I mean, well, I guess in theory if somebody's homeless, you have to serve them.

2:51:08Yeah, and a lot of the homeless do stay in hotels.

2:51:09You're not charging the homeless an impact fee.

2:51:11Right.

2:51:12So We have to draw the line somewhere.

2:51:15Yeah.

2:51:16And so I think this is probably the appropriate place to draw it.

2:51:19And I in reality it's probably less of a Issue then.

2:51:24Okay.

2:51:25Okay.

2:51:25But I I don't have a problem if we want to modify to have the school board also have access to these records. Yeah,

2:51:30that'd be that'd be

2:51:31modify thirty-two to include the school board. Thank you.

2:51:36Alright. Do we have any other questions for Barbara or anybody else?

2:51:43Not and I'd like to hear a motion.

2:51:47We move a motion to approve.

2:51:49I just uh wanted to have a comment before we move on.

2:51:52Let's um see if we get a second and then okay. Yeah, so is that with the modifications to condition thirty-two and thirty-three of that motion?

2:51:59Yes, including the modification uh For thirty two and thirty three, yes.

2:52:03I'll second it to

2:52:05Okay. We have a motion

2:52:06and second. Any further discussion of the motion?

2:52:09Yeah I just This is the rural area. the people that lived there wanted it to be that way. That's why they're living there. When we think of rural, we think of One acre sites, five acre sites, ten acre sites, and so The county really made it. I don't want to call it a promise, but they just said we're not gonna develop develop this area. So now we're moving. This sets sort of something in motion as a precedent. If commercial wants to be done, it can be done at the appropriate places, which is I-75 and Land

2:52:40Ron, I believe. What I just feel that the

2:52:52No. I'll I'll I'll add an additional comment that I mean to me I think this is although it is in the northeast Pasco rural area, it it's an isolated area that's uses a lot of the I seventy five frontage. When it's in an area that has an R V park right down the street. Um, I think this is miles ahead of and above and beyond what the adjacent or the nearby RV park is. Um so that's and that's why I'm in favor of this.

2:53:20Uh I'll echo that and I'll say that appreciating the level of effort that Barbara and her team have gone through, the the extensive effort and what's still ahead of them in the site plan process and the engineering process, I'm I'm in favor of the project.

2:53:35Well, I also think we have the heavy burden of uh the person who actually wrote the code for the Northeast uh rural area. Says that it it complies with their requirements. Yeah, and I think as David indicated, we have a um responsibility to follow the r follow the rule of the law. And uh

2:54:00Because otherwise you d you don't really have a legal argument against it. So Um I think you know Lots of times we like to vote according to our emotions, but We can't always do that. It's not our it's just not what we're in this place to do. There are other things that are gonna happen after the after it leaves here that they're gonna have to go through. This is not a fate accomplis. It's not over. So uh Um I

2:54:31think we have a motion. We have a second. And Yeah, to your point, Richard, I think Um the possibility of How? Children burdening the school system out of a are reparked that where people can stay for only for a maximum of six months. Most of 'em don't stay that long. Um I just don't think that's a ma should be a major concern. It's not I don't think. Um

2:55:03So I understand, you know, you need to look at every aspect 'cause that's what your job is, you represent the school board. And uh I appreciate that. But um having said all that, if there's an are there any other comments, I wanna give everybody an opportunity.

2:55:18Yeah, another comment I would like to make would be that I think this project May enhance the community as a whole. I know there's A lot of people that spoke regarding this and we're negative towards it. But I look at it on the other side of the coin. There are two sides to a coin. And that perhaps this might be a a logical and a positive for the area in itself and that people come. Who knows, maybe they will stay. In

2:55:48some ways I hope they don't. But on the other hand, I think they may see this part of Pasco County as a beautiful area. And it is. And uh I think this park here, I think I've heard some of you say that you go camping yourself, trailer camping. I'm used to the tent camping. Uh but since this is going to be a significant improvement, I think, to the area. And I hope it's a financial boon for the county. It's a system I never asked about the taxing system at all. Never saw anything about the taxes

2:56:18that could be collected. But that's a side issue. That's a that that's the important one. The important thing is it will bring folks to the county. We post to a beautiful area of Pasco County. And uh that's the reason I went for it. There were many arguments leaning both ways. I kinda was on that fence. I could have gone left, could have gone right, and I think I made the right decision. So That'll call the motion.

2:56:43Okay, so all in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed?

2:56:48Nay.

2:56:50Right. Motion carries.