Old business commissioner reports and video

53:51That ends the uh regular items. So we'll move on to Old business. Mr. Moore? All right.

54:04We have a we have a video play. I I thought this would be fun because we we were all there. Um obviously on September thirtieth we had the ribbon cutting for the new recreation center at Western Chapel District Park. I know I don't wanna Commissioner Oakley's probably gonna talk about it too, but I I wanna show the video because they did put a video up. We could see that.

54:33And you if you while you watch this, you'll you'll notice um some future NBA players.

54:40In in the video.

54:42I'm not sure about the future part of the

54:44Well we can pla we can have we can have us we can have a um modify this a senior league for us. Over thirty league.

54:52Over thirty?

54:53Yeah. Okay. I fit.

55:05So, welcome to the new Wesley Chapel Recreation Complex and Wesley Chapel at the District Park.

55:11Three, two,

55:12one, cup.

55:15Whoo! This uh recreation complex is also the largest indoor facility built in Pasco County in a park facility of in 30 years.

55:26This is for the entire community. This is what makes Pasco County premiere in this park premiere. It doesn't matter what it is, it's here for you. We're excited about it. Park and recreations have done a tremendous job, not only at this facility, but throughout County and we're just so happy it's open now.

55:42Yeah, I mean we we're we're basically trying to encompass everybody and include everybody, um all inclusive programs as well with our inclusive playground.

55:51Obviously, we have a gymnasium, we have um six pickleball courts, two volleyball courts, um one full regulation basketball court, and then two side courts. So that in itself will bring a lot of athletics, um, a lot of Programming for the older population, the pickleball. When we go into our multi-purpose rooms, we'll do anything from yoga to fitness classes to toddler time classes. Um, we have Zumba, salsa dancing, so really a a wide-scale variety.

56:20The project is funded by uh park impact fee, which is driven by obviously development. Uh there's a single-family uh fee per individual. Home and all the fees that are collected is basically what we use to to build this facility. I think they're essential essential services that impact the quality of life, and I think it won't take very long for the community in Wesley Chapel to realize how impactful and meaningful these types of services in a complex like this is.

56:46The team has been amazing. They are so excited. You go over there and take a tour. Deanna. Dennis and the whole crew over there. They cannot wait to showcase this amazing facility for our citizens of Pasco County. Thank you to all the team there.

57:06Well great job to our media relations communications office. Um Uh we're gonna watch it again. It was so good.

57:17But after K Commissioner I know Commissioner Starkey would have been there, but she was on a on a mission actually, I I think um, you know, a a county deal. Um I think you were. And you were supporting the county somewhere. Absolutely. Yeah. Um but uh what you didn't see is after Commissioner Oakley left, um Commissioner Fitzpatrick Mariano had a little uh game of uh P.I.G. We were gonna do horse, but we figured it'd take too long. But we did PIG. So that was fun. But congratulations everybody. This is a month, you know, just a great event and um thanks to all the commissioners

57:47that um obviously supported this and continue your support for that area. Um I don't really have anything else, so I think I'm I'm done. So thank you all so very much.

57:59Good. Okay. So I've got my five photos that are gonna be my weekly little thing here. So they can be uh photos shown up there. Yeah, of our Our big challenges. Um Yes and yesterday at staff development day, my team and I we drove around a holiday area. So especially my new assistant Katie could actually see the areas that where we get a lot of calls. But here you can see the AMP scott on Little Road has received

58:30a first notice and a second notice. They've done nothing. There's no the landscaping is gone. Let's see what else. Yeah.

58:38Golden Acres on Little Road. That that is not premiere, that look right there. Okay, next.

58:48Um here's the Regents Bank at 54 and Little. Um wait, the Regents Bank at 54 and Little did put in a new hedge. It just went in, so it looks it looks good. We'll have to get you the before. Now you have the before and we'll show you the after. Okay, next next photo.

59:08Um Sherwin Williams, gone. Nothing.

59:15And come on. And cycle through. Okay. Um here, uh I I think what's going on here is they took out their trees already. This is on little it's brand it's like brand new, but their trees are gone. So uh and I think the next photo is a pr a problem that's persisting in the landscaping. Those are supposed to be trees. And you will see this all along 54. I think we have one c one landscaping company in particular that goes around and turns the trees

59:45into hedges. And most of the time they're lower than that. I think that might be the new McDonald's on 54. But I just saw a brand new one that just opened that did this to their trees. Sometimes they're little cones. Sometimes they're just part of the hedge and here are the little balls, but that's not that is not a treat and we need to get this company to stop doing this.

1:00:08Okay. Um

1:00:10trees?

1:00:11I have no idea what kind of I think that is an oak tree actually.

1:00:14Because it could be a Legustrum which is which

1:00:17runs, yeah. But they're not supposed to be doing that. That's against our ordinance.

1:00:21Commissioner Starkey?

1:00:22Yeah.

1:00:22On the little road a little bit further up, we've got the Regency Park Library. Yeah. I know we're redoing a redi re what do you re I know we're redeveloping the property, but I think I think at some point we should go put our own shrubs out there to kind of meet our own code.

1:00:38I think that's part of the work that we'll keep doing.

1:00:40I understand, but I'm just saying we're it's it's out there now. I don't think it's gonna affect the construction that's out there. It sends a better message that we're gonna follow our own code if we do that rather than waiting. Any further.

1:00:52And something that I'm trying to figure out um is how at the preserve the the new there's uh a s new C V S, some other new buildings you'll see it, maybe some of you when you're going home. They didn't put any trees and they're open. So and this is brand new fronting State Road 54th preserve at Suncoast and 54. So I don't understand how that happened. I've met with um Roberto out there and we're researching it.

1:01:19Many of the new commercial subdivisions are bonding their landscape.

1:01:22They're not bonding it?

1:01:23They're bonding it.

1:01:29Okay,

1:01:29well we need to understand and there's also trees missing internally in there between the the green publics And the other businesses. It's just grass and there's no trees. No no hedge and nothing. So there's a lot of stuff wrong in the preserve. Although our administrator did manage to get some trees planted in front of houses. Um Okay, uh a suggestion that I have that this actually came from my staff, and I thought this was kind of a good idea, because you know I have that Harbor South Leadership Council that I put together

1:01:59because I have 117 HOA specific associations from Little Road to the water line from my in and just that square in my district, which takes up ninety percent of the time in my office, and we are the busiest office in the county. Um and so we're we're trying to get you know someone from each HOA or civic association to come to a meeting where they meet code enforcement, the sheriffs guys, um all our staff on a rotating basis so they can s help learn how to solve Yeah.

1:02:32But it's really hard to get that list. And so our staff was wondering what the county thought about having the HOAs, the CDDs, and the civic associations register, have some kind of register with the county so that we know who those leaders are in those communities. I thought it was a good idea. It would go a long way to helping us because we it's really hard to figure out who's in there. And how to reach somebody in that neighborhood. And frankly, you want to be talking to the

1:03:02person who was elected by that community to represent them, not necessarily the loudest voc most vocal voice sometimes. Yeah, Mr.

1:03:10That's a great that's a great thought because we do get contacted by people that live within a C D D or HOA quite often and as you know, especially in your district coming down as well into mine, there's so many C Ds now. And a l so many of the residents reach out to the County Commission and we have to tell them, Sorry, you're within a C D D. There's literally nothing that the county can do. We have no jurisdiction over what's going on there. So I we get 'em constantly in my office. We come to go and get sorry I I can give you my opinion, but I don't want I'm

1:03:40not gonna give you my opinion. You need to talk to the C D D. Yeah. 'Cause they're in charge of your sidewalks, they're in charge of your roads, they're in charge of your drainage, they're in charge of your covenants and all those types of things. That's that's a I th I I I like your idea.

1:03:54Okay. So I don't know what the next step is to

1:03:57It might be

1:03:58voluntary

1:03:58but

1:03:59But yeah, I don't want a penalty.

1:04:01Right, yeah.

1:04:01But some type of registration. Some kind of registration. Okay, thanks. Um I had talked to staff about a potential used car moratorium and um in talking with Mr. Petos He mentioned that he didn't necessarily think maybe we needed a moratorium, but that there is a t we have a tool to um hey um Derek, can you see if you could send those pictures from the used car lots that we took yesterday?

1:04:32Um there is a tool within our land development code or our process where businesses are on ha when they got their CO they had X amount of parking spaces. And most of them have just blown through that. And I can show you G Gizada what's say what's quite they they put three cars deep in a parking lot that was supposed to have one. There's no place for a customer to park. There's no way an emergency vehicle could get in

1:05:02there if something happened. It's just they're just this is happening in my district. Jamming as many cars on a what used to be a drive-thru gas station or something. There's five hundred cars on there. And the tool is maybe is how many cars are they allowed to park. The problem is I have at least 60 used car lots in that area I told you, and staff is overwhelmed already in code enforcement with what they got going on. So

1:05:32I still think I would like to see some kind of moratorium on used car lots until we have a system where we can police them or, you know, make sure they're moving into a legal place and they know the rules because they're m they're moving. They're they're every vacant space is becoming a used car lot in the county. And it's coming in your district, Commissioner Mariano. Um I don't know I don't drive 301 very often, but I can tell you on the west side, every minute

1:06:03every failed business is a used car lot. We have

1:06:06some

1:06:06but a lot of those people are predatory. So I just um I don't know if I need to have the county attorney pop in on that 'cause I know you have to be working on a solution to have a moratorium and I I think we do need to work on a solution.

1:06:20Well you don't have to be working on a solution. You have to be you have to identify a problem and have your staff work on a solution. solution. Okay. I mean you don't have to have you don't have to be currently working on a solution. That's the point is you've identified a problem, you see that the code needs to be changed in some manner And you're at and then once you adopt the moratorium you're actively working on addressing that Problem.

1:06:49Okay, so I think we do have a problem. Um I hopefully I can show you some pictures here if they've been sent. We've taken Gigi to court. And um But he's been in multiple times and but he's not the only one. I are you coming up to speed or

1:07:09The actual.

1:07:13Good morning Mr. Chairman Mariano Nicolas Pitos Planning and Development Department. Um just to clarify The commissioner noted that there are options available within the land development code and and what what I had been discussing was that these sites that are existing in the West Market area, they are generally already planned because they're existing, and so they have a default site plan associated with their property. They have a building, a set building with set square footage, and

1:07:43a parking allotment that is presumably related to the square footage of the building that's already on on site and then what happens is the used car lots come in or the used car dealers they come in and then they fill their lot with inventory essentially uh not abiding by the striped parking let's say that's on the site. And there's no distinction between the inventory parking and the customer parking based on the square footage of the building. And so what ends up occurring

1:08:14by default is a site plan violation, a violation of what's taking place. They haven't updated or

1:08:27So that's the that's the the uh the concept behind what I was explaining to the commission.

1:08:33Some of these pictures you're seeing are are not the ones where they've stacked them three, four deep. Some of these are new ones that have popped up since the last time I drove my district coup you know, a couple of months ago. So um They they just really it's just unbelievable how they pop up overnight. But yeah, I I think we have a problem, I think we need to work to a solution.

1:08:54Mr. Chairman Mariano. If I can follow up with what with the planning director for a second. So Terry, is what you're saying the code already prohibits these used car lots? Fine. That are out that the commissioner's complaining about?

1:09:11Well, I I'm not saying that the code prohibits because the the use as a car dealership is in the zone.

1:09:17They are currently not in c shouldn't be there because they are not in compliance with the land development code.

1:09:22Yes. Okay. They don't have a proper site plan.

1:09:25So that so a moratorium doesn't stop them from popping up illegally if in fact they are illegal. So that so I think if I'm If I'm taking all the input, is the planning director saying a moratorium is not necessary because they already are in violation of the code, And there's nothing additional to be done because they're not in compliance. Commissioner is saying that there are Popping

1:09:56up. every time she turns around and so It sounds like it's a it it's a code issue. It's it's a enforcement issue, not a new regulation issue.

1:10:08Well okay, I'm gonna step in here because I'm gonna disagree because Because some of them are grandfathered in but they have more cars than they're supposed to have. Some of them are have never come in for site plan and and don't have that overlay that use cars and storage have. Um Some of that but I think we have to have a discussion of How How many cars should be on a lot? You know, how how what is what size sh should

1:10:38a used car lot be? I mean there there should be some standards that we don't have. And I I think we should look at standards for these kind of things.

1:10:49There is there likely is, I I'm not personally aware at the moment, instances in which used car lots are popping up in zoning districts that don't allow them because they're simply moving into a vacant building, like the commissioner is noting. So that that could be the case in in some places where they're they're not compliant from a land development code perspective because they haven't gotten a a new site plan for the site prepared. Uh but it also could be the case if they don't also have the zoning, in which case

1:11:20then there would be a uh non conforming use.

1:11:22Yeah we have a lot that don't have the right zone.

1:11:24Yeah can I jump in, can I have a c can I pile on a little bit, Mr. Chairman Mariano. Well I'm gonna make a just a more of a general statement. Um and so you're bringing up some some good points and up s and obviously observations. Um we uh you know when we have

1:11:43Customers, applicants that come in for and they're putting in a new business, or they're um doing renovations and things like that. I mean they get dinged on things quite often. And these are good, solid businesses that just may have made a mistake here and there, not purposely, right? They're not per they're not purposely trying to circumvent the process, or not purposely trying to um get a tag on s on on something um by any means. But, you know, we get 'em. So

1:12:14it's to me it's almost like more focus needs to be put towards these areas. versus looking I'm not throwing f listen, I'm not throwing stones any anywhere, you know, at anybody. But I mean this that's a good point because you you have s whether it be a I and I don't want to just say car lots, right? It could be any type of business. Essentially a legal but the illegal business, right? Um So I think more focus needs to be put on this. and helping our good

1:12:45customers through the process. If you're following me, I just think there's sometimes I just think there's too much time and effort. Um

1:12:56Well.

1:12:58What would the action be?

1:12:59Well that's what I think. I I just think, you know, again, I'd I don't I would love to see, you know, More action taking in situations like this versus some of our again small businesses that are try again, you know, maybe they made a small mistake, but again, not purposely whatsoever, but they're still gonna get dinged, they're gonna get fined, they're gonna get their permits gonna get held up. Um again, it's part of land development code, but let's work on helping those through and putting the enforcement ish enforcement more on these guys and looking for the little small nitty picky type

1:13:30of situations on solidly run businesses that I hear from time to time that We got 'em on. And now I have to work with 'em and work through the process and get 'em going again and call Mark and Right? I mean Annie Annie knows what I'm talking about. We've had a few of those recently.

1:13:47Mr. Chairman Mariano

1:13:49I'm not trying to ramble here, but I'm not sure.

1:13:50No, I'm gonna say I I got a phone call today about a gentleman who's got a great business, doing a great thing, was pulling a permit for something else, and got dinged for like twenty other things. Yeah. And I got twenty thousand dollars worth of fines. I said, look, let's go try to work it through. Our point is we're trying to get compliance. We're gonna go through it. So I I I agree with you that thing there. When I look at this here, and Terry, you gotta help me a little bit. Let's in I want to look at this picture and then go back a picture. There's no landscaping there either. All right, so I don't know what the business was there before or if just a house there before. No landscaping there either. Um

1:14:21a car dealership before.

1:14:23Okay, but but but it's

1:14:25this is mile stretch.

1:14:26How do we enforce what we've got when this is allowed to happen from the get go and I want to say this with redevelopment it's gonna be really tough. Like you say 'cause you you can't meet all the parking requirements with all the islands. You destroy the business, you destroy the value of the property. We we don't want to do that, we want to try to work with it. But I mean something like that with a guy coming in. What do you what do you do? How do you write that guy up?

1:14:52Well I I think the important distinction is that to the commissioner's point is that a lot of these businesses

1:14:59This was like a trip.

1:15:00May not be allowed outright to do what they're doing on site. So to answer both of your questions, I think, you know, what do you what's the limit on the number of cars, for example, or what do you do in these scenarios? The the question is how big is the site? Right. And We have standards that require certain buffering requirements, certain setback requirements from neighboring uses. And so

1:15:25once you start implementing things. Let me just stop you for a second though. When I look at this here, my my thing is It may not have the right zoning, might have the right land use, etc. How do you stop that from happening before they can even go? Because if it's the appropriate land use zoning, then okay, you could come in there and then if you've got some violations you can work to go to compliance. But if they're not even in the right zoning or c or land use, what do you do? Terry.

1:15:52So we have we have one occurring which is Gigi's Auto and maybe Sally's coming gonna come up to talk about that one. So Gigi's auto on also on Mile Stretch. There's like four of these, five of these now on Mile Stretch. It it was a company, it was a nice a nice office building surrounded by homes. The homes all are around it. Um not on right and left, but The guy um took TVs, took 'em apart and took out the valuable stuff in the TV and sold

1:16:22that through the internet. Then he decided he was gonna be An auto. a a used car dealer and boat and a he also repairs the cars in his parking lot and you cannot walk in his parking lot. I I can send you that that video again. But we have been fighting with him for years and um we had to take him to court. I don't know if you know what's going on, Sally.

1:16:46Terry, one question I wanna ask and it goes wrong with what they're talking about, is the fact that How do we send code out there?

1:16:54We

1:16:54unless code can go out there and know all the answers. So they're zoning. and how many cars are allowed and all these things. So how do we send code out without or who's gonna give 'em that information? So they can go and and make that

1:17:10Good morning, Commissioner Sally Sherman, Assistant County Administrator for Development Services. Uh currently we have a strike team. In the nineteen on the nineteen area, during the mile stretch area. That is doing enforcement on these used car lots and we first of all go out and we issue a warning taking into consideration what Commissioner Moore is saying. We're letting them know this is not legal and then after we give them

1:17:40that warning, we give them so many days to correct. If they don't correct, then we go out and do a side test. and let them know that they need to come in to get approval. During that time period the staff is also researching to see if they have an approved site plan, if they have if this is a change in use that they need to come in and get approval for that. So the problem is it takes a considerable amount of time because each opportunity that you're out there talking to

1:18:10them and citation that you're issuing, there's time limits associated with it and Commissioner. Starkey is absolutely correct. By the time we do Like A half a mile. and we're headed in a di in a direction going down to say let's say south somebody else has come in and put in another used car lot and we're working with them. We're trying to do as much as we can. It is a matter of resources. Um we've got um David

1:18:41um Ingalls involved with regard to trying to help those come in and say we have grants for landscaping. So there's a lot of effort but it is a huge problem and we do have a strike team working on it. and that's trying to get get it under control but um we can put more resources but keep in mind as we put more resources to it there's unintended consequences like just to get them in front of uh P D D for

1:19:11site plan review That's up until now we're in January before they can even go um to get that done. So We're trying to think of ways and always um listening to uh the commissioner as far as what's going on and out out there and trying to be responsive. G G has been going on for years. They simply will not comply and it is in court. So um our county attorney's office is trying to address it through

1:19:41the court system, but he's still refused. Mm-hmm.

1:19:45This this is what's happening. This is this is not fair to this neighborhood. This was an office. And now Under that t I mean look at he's working on a car right there. I mean it's so much in violation and they're they're parking um uh I mean it's just it just boils me. Bo I just feel so bad for that area that this is what they drive to to get home. And this is popping up everywhere.

1:20:13We can't turn our back on it.

1:20:14No. But

1:20:15we gotta have the answer how to move forward.

1:20:18But I think we need some standards for what a car lot what can and cannot be a car lot. A size. How many cars can you park on a car lot?

1:20:27Within the landowner coast there are requirements with regard to car dealership.

1:20:32I don't think there is any as far as

1:20:34parking landscape.

1:20:35I don't think so. I think you know you've you have we have landscape requirements, sound requirements, 'cause I helped write that um worked on that ordinance. But I don't believe we have anything that says How many cars can you park in a y uh in a uh dealership? And uh I would say the same with boats and everything. What is the appropriate uh ratio of land covered with the car?

1:21:01There are two terms that you're intermingling. There's a parking threshold But that's customers coming to the lot.

1:21:08Yeah.

1:21:09And you are probably correct that there's no

1:21:13coverage of cars on the asphalt that we have in the code. I'm not aware of of anything like that. So as long as you're within your setbacks, you can cram as many cars as you can. On a lot.

1:21:29In a way, yes, if I can clarify though. W what's so the land development code has parameters for a parking stall. It has parameters for the width of the drivewell. It has parameters for a setback, it has parameters for buffers, landscaping, etc. You a complete site plan for these types of uses and for really any commercial use is going to meet all of those parameters. What you see in the images, there's no dry vial in that picture, right there. So there's no twenty-two feet between the back

1:21:59ends of cars. The cars are not parked in 9 by 20 spaces, for example. So an inventory of a car is much the same as customer parking. I

1:22:07don't know.

1:22:08The difference is

1:22:09Is it? Should it be?

1:22:10The dimension should be at least the same. Because if you park all the cars on your inventory, you must leave enough parking to accommodate your customer. Customers and not only to accommodate them to park them but to allow them to circulate on the property.

1:22:25So how do you determine how many parking spaces there should be per auto dealership?

1:22:31Right, that's really dependent on the size. So if a used car dealer really wants to move into this site, for example, they have to take into account that that site only has 20 parking stalls and he needs X amount for his customers. And therefore he can only

1:22:50potentially park twelve inventory cars on site. And then that's a limiting factor to the to that site being used as a business car dealer. And then it becomes an enforcement issue. Otherwise you're you resolved in this condition.

1:23:04Well, uh you know, I wanna give every tool possible to make code enforcement jobs easier because then code enforcement's gonna have to be driving by the car dealerships and counting the cars. Um and it just I just want it as easy as possible and as enforceable as possible to stop this.

1:23:22Great landscaping too, huh? Mr. Chairman Mariano. Yeah. So I mean if we if we look at the situation, a moratorium's not gonna change Right. Right?

1:23:33Might let

1:23:33code catch up with

1:23:36No, it's not

1:23:36a good thing.

1:23:42And the that's that's what needs to get addressed. No, and you're right in the money and it's it's it's it's a disaster, no question about it. And it's not the way Uh we we set the properties up to be from the zoning or the land use. So Somehow we've got to deal with the ordinance if we need to go change the way it's listed, if there's a way to change it for enforcement, to make it easier to make something stick, where can we shut someone down? I mean I've seen you go in hotels and kinda put red tape everywhere and shut everything down. It's not safe to be. Can you do that type of thing here?

1:24:16You don't

1:24:17you don't have the same sort of you you don't have life safety uh

1:24:21can we tell them.

1:24:22Life safety. Life

1:24:24safety someone can triple

1:24:26over time or they can trip. I asked the fire department to go site go check that if that was a life safety issue right there. There's no way they can get an emergency vehicle in there, in that parking lot.

1:24:34I mean it does.

1:24:35One of those cars, and those cars are so close to each other, if one catches on fire, boom. So to me that was a life safety issue right there.

1:24:43I mean working on parking working cars in the parking lot as well? I mean is I I just gotta think if you can red tag someone from doing perburning work, is there a way to red tag something here about This this business is not uh meeting code, uh the violations here that are being addressed. Uh we want to caution you for our safety or whatever. Is there something like that we can go do?

1:25:06What's that thing in front of the tire?

1:25:09That's probably an engine. Is that a transmission?

1:25:11Is it really? Are you kidding

1:25:14me? I don't know what that is. Car parks on the driveway.

1:25:17So uh Okay. I think the the the the answer may be that If it's a non-conforming use, yes, you could probably red tag them and shut the s business down because it's non-conforming to the zoning district. Um if they are conforming to the zoning district, you have to I think the answer is you have to give them a chance to comply. It's a citation issue. You're in violation of the site plans. You need to get a new site plan. If you

1:25:47can't conform to the land development then you need to find your location. Because or or or um reduce the scope of your business essentially. You can't have fifty cars on site. You can only have fifteen cars on s you know whatever the number might be because they're not meeting any of your site plan uh land and land development requirements. Um and I would venture to say that uh having no circulation on site would be difficult for

1:26:18ambulatory access or what have you. Or, you know, if if the site is totally surrounded by cars, how does a fire truck get up to a burning building?

1:26:28So the answer is to send code code enforcement out to uh make the contact and start the process, right?

1:26:38Okay, I've I've been on that job for nine years. I have spreadsheets.

1:26:43Excel sheets and

1:26:45Yeah.

1:26:52No. Well, okay, I'm just you know, I haven't I've only had one one shutdown in nine years, but I'll Keep trying to hope that we can keep doing what we're doing and see if it makes an improvement.

1:27:04I think staff sees they've got full support of the board to address the stronger and hopefully they come back with something, maybe some results down the road.

1:27:10Yeah.

1:27:11Yeah.

1:27:12Okay.

1:27:13Commissioner, just if you if you don't mind, just uh talk more about your um idea about um Doing something with the HOAs and C D Ds. I'm gonna have Andy send this to all your assistants and aides. Hillsbroke County actually has a neighborhood relations department and they actually manage those relationships with the HOAs and C D Ds. So I'll have Andy send it to all you guys. You can look at that. So as a growing county, you know, the continu I know your budget's done for this year, but as a county that's growing, this is gonna continue to pop up and we maybe we could research

1:27:43what Hillsbrook County's doing with that agency or you can't. I'll let you this is your baby, so I'll let you

1:27:48know um cradle. I just will say New Port Richey has a moratorium on used cars.

1:27:56the

1:27:56Commissioner is correct.

1:28:01moratorium is not going to stop somebody from opening up an illegal Yeah.

1:28:06Well they can quickly go and say you don't have to go through site plan, wherever, you can't open up right now. That could stop the workload That'd be an easier I'm just trying to help code With their workload.

1:28:20Do they actually uh come in and get a um license to operate a used car lot. So

1:28:28maybe that's the point we need to

1:28:30question

1:28:30if

1:28:30if

1:28:31they have a site plan.

1:28:34Yeah, the seven years.

1:28:35I mean I we had an open house. We gave a notice to all the dealerships in the area to come in. Um I'm sorry that our staff isn't here. We had like a uh An oak leaf or whatever, a carrot. Come in, we'll help you go through the process. Actually, Mr. Gigi came in. Um and then they decide they don't want to go through the process because they they don't want to and they just keep operating. We did have one guy, if you remember Jack, that came here that did put in landscaping and make go through the

1:29:05process and put do the site plan and and he came in here and complained. He said he's on mile stretch and grand. He said, why did I have to comply? And my friend who owns that one down the street on mile stretch has never had to comply. What's going on? So we did have one go through. Um that was like five years ago. But I'm I'm still here with this problem and it's growing. So that's why I'm coming to the drastic measure of saying no more kids should come in the county

1:29:35until we have this problem solved.

1:29:37Yeah. I think you've got our our support as a board to work on this with code and do what we can to get get these things in line or don't. Okay.

1:29:51Thanks. I um I wanna say uh moving on go raise Yeah. Was that some amazing baseball? Uh s I'm sad for the outcome. Um but gosh. Uh it's unfortunate we're not moving on, but that was high drama. And um Y'all may not know but I was a background of that basket. So, um I've always been was married to a professional baseball player. So, um I've always been a big fan of baseball and I just thought the season would

1:30:21go on longer, but anyway I'm very proud of our race. Um T Barda. Did I bring this up at the last meeting that we don't have an interlocal agreement at T Barta with all the members? So okay, so it turns out we don't have an a agreement um amongst the counties and the cities that sit on Tibard. Um they have one at the Regional Planning Council. They have one at Tampa Bay Water. Um

1:30:51and Commissioner O Commissioner Long pointed out the difference that one is statutory, we're created by statute. The other ones are created a little differently. And so we never went to that step to make an agreement. And so we get billed Um And we pay, but there's no, you know, it's just a like

1:31:13there's no M O U.

1:31:14And it turns out I didn't even know this. The city of St. P and the city of Tampa that sit on Deeparta pay nothing. What? Yeah. So so um we've decided that it would be a really good idea if we work on an agreement similar to what the Regional Planning Council has. And we're gonna include the cities in the financial support of Tibarda. And it also I think Will really um bring to light Um the

1:31:45challenge at T Barter with Hillsborough County, because they're gonna have to sign what the rest of us sign. And I'm telling ya, um it's like a stone wall there. Although I have very good um thoughts about the n the new Tampa City Councilman that's joining us who um who will fill in for um the mayor. Um he understands that we're a regional board. We're not because I if you remember I asked the commissioner who sits on Tarda from Hillsboro what because she's

1:32:15stopping everything we're trying to do, what is your definition of regional? And she said the regions in Hillsboro County. So that just lays it out right there. Um so we've all been extremely frustrated. with her and um we also have a new governor appointee from Hernando County and I believe we're gonna get one from Pasco here pretty soon and He saw saw plaintiff's day at our last meeting and so did the city councilman that we have a partner who's not thinking regional and I think I feel better about what's gonna

1:32:45be coming from Teaparta. Um I attended the blessing of the new homeless shelter that opened up on Youth Lane. And um it's great to see that we're gonna be able to start helping some um homeless families, especially now with what's gonna be happening with the the COVID issues coming to an end, um with the health and the government. And um

1:33:08and and in driving around with with my staff in my district. Every intersection on nineteen had someone in the middle walking down the lanes. Panhandling, every single one. And then we drove on a private road behind the speedway. Homeless people we watch someone hitting up. With a a needle, that's the right word. Um homeless people, furniture, everything behind the speedway. Actually chased down a deputy to ask him to

1:33:38go a victim 'cause there's a no trespassing sign. But um frankly he said the jail's too full and they're not really able to do anything right now. So Um Lastly, Amskills had their Graduation of their

1:33:54last

1:33:54question.

1:33:54Can we hold on that point for just a second? Because that is something I've been talking about for a long, long time as well. I and I had a thought too. Maybe these meetings that we have that the argument's all about the right-of-the-right away, right? So maybe these intersections that are the most prevalent, we take those concrete barriers and we put them dead in. We take all the other concrete around it Line it right there. So literally they either have to have to stand on that barrier or they're gonna be in the right-of-way.

1:34:24No, no, he was walking between the cars at the red light.

1:34:27He wasn't in the middle. So code enforcement can enforce our codes about panhandling in the right-of-way and maybe instead of some of these other things are focusing on maybe that needs to be a big focus too.

1:34:37But but you have to understand they go they give them a paper and then they throw the paper away and they go out at the next lane. Mm-hmm. And ask an

1:34:45then let's keep on doing it and doing it and doing it.

1:34:48Yeah, I I I wish I had an answer.

1:34:50I mean

1:34:51if they get

1:34:51enough hassle they're gonna go away.

1:34:52But I'm not kidding you, four intersections, at least four people. Definitely some had two.

1:34:58I see in Hudson all the time. Sometimes

1:35:00horrible

1:35:00all around. So to me let's go make that a focus because that is not good for quality of life, it's not good for those people.

1:35:08Um, okay, so yeah. Um Amskills had their graduation of their latest boot camp. They had nine um participants, two of which were um residents of Metropolitan Ministries. And I um all of them got called back for second interviews from great companies, and I believe all of them are gonna get hired into careers and gonna help our local companies expand. Um and I want to thank Touch Point because the they opened up their business and had and we

1:35:38had our boot camp at the Touch Point facility there at Sun Coast and fifty four. That's it for me. For sure.

1:35:46Yeah.

1:35:48Ms. Fitzpatrick.

1:35:49Now that you just said that I actually want to send a photo about The median, or I can just tell you real quick about the median. Oh yeah. They have my fixes. A structure in the middle of their medium so really there's nowhere to stand. So I'll send that over. Real quick. Okay. So I did attend the sports complex ribbon cutting. That was fun to play basketball with the fellow commissioners. Haven't played basketball in a very long time. So also I

1:36:19would like to mention that I did attend the AMPO conference last week. I learned a plethora of information and I could probably talk all day about it, but I'll mention a few. First, I would like to talk about how I had gone on a tour of the tribal lands and the way that they supported their elders was very meaningful. Their elder population is 55 and up. In this tribal land area They have fifty-six thousand acres. They

1:36:49have eleven thousand people that belong to the tribe. There's six thousand tribal members that live on their land. And about ten percent, so eleven hundred of them actually live are elders. And I did ask about the longevity. And their life expectancy and men live till about 60 and the women live till about 75. So their elders is 55 and up. Now if the elder has a bee's

1:37:20nest, they'll go out and they'll remove it for free. If the elders have a leaky faucet, they'll go in to replace it. If the elders home is so decapitated or they cannot no longer live there and it cannot be fixed, they'll be build them a new two bedroom home. So I do know in Pasco County, thank you, Ms. Kathy Pearson, we have meals on wheels and we have paratransit that will pick up the elderly or disabled and bring them from their home directly to their doctors and where they

1:37:50need to go. So I would just like to make sure that we are doing as much as we can for our elder population and disabled because I just thought that was Mm heart touching. Um another one on when I was on the tour I realized in Arizona in this tribal in the Mesa area they have themes and do we have the photos? No, I just sent them.

1:38:21And if you look at this, in this area, they have about one of everything. So for Dunkin' Donuts and Baskin Robbins, they actually had to put something tribal on their building to incorporate it into their community. And then to the next one. They have buffalo wild wings and I believe they have I don't know if we can zoom in but on the side of the building they had tribal lines on the side of the building. You can go to the next slide. Photo.

1:38:54Whereas thought it was very It was different and interesting to see how everything everything is color-coded, everything is coronated to match. Right here on indoor skydiving, they actually the lines imprinted on the side was the bird's signal, symbol. And then of course they on the vertical lines, they have the horizontal lines on the vertical side. Next. And I also I would like to see uh Pasco to incorporate something like this. So they have their

1:39:24tribal and their logos up along the bridges. They have iguanas on the side.

1:39:33Of the bridge as well. Maybe we can incorporate palm trees and things like that. And then next slide. Again, they have their tribal landscaping.

1:39:45And we have our palm trees. And I just would like to know, Commissioner Mariano, I did notice a lot of the palm trees going up and down nineteen. So that looked very nice. And then Salt River Springs Fields, of course, they incorporate everything into every business, every location that they have there. And then the last photo, if it came through, was in the median.

1:40:10It was a structure in the median to where they really they can't stand in the middle of the median. And on my ride to the hotel, they actually told us it was illegal to give people on standing on the side of the road money. So maybe we can look at maybe if we can't enforce it to And the people on the side of the road, then we can make some jurisdiction or law to prevent people from distributing and giving funds.

1:40:43Another

1:40:44Can I touch on that point with you? Because that point was brought up once before, at least once before by myself. Uh and I can't remember what the result was, Mr. Steinstead, or is anything have anyone done that that you know of as well?

1:40:58Making the driver who gives the money responsible?

1:41:02That they cannot give, to make it a rule that you cannot give to a panhandler.

1:41:07Uh we'll have to look at it. I don't I don't know that I've that that that I've heard of any Florida jurisdiction that has tried that.

1:41:15Okay. Maybe we can even take a look at the Arizona one if you can give them the details on that. Okay.

1:41:19Absolutely.

1:41:20Thank you.

1:41:20Now I'm making my voice.

1:41:26So again I do want to mention. Maybe putting palm trees on the side of the bridges or incorporating a theme. Also, they had a lot of companies that offered data collection software that can help determine the number of vehicles that cross a specific point by the Bluetooth capability in their car or their cell phones. and then we can collect that data. And they also have sensors that we can place under sewer lines that can determine the frequency and duration of flooding and This data

1:41:56can also demonstrate our funding needs when pursuing federal transportation grants. So I thought that was very informative. They also talked about the electric vehicles, the autonomous cars. They actually have had autonomous vehicles for the past three years. They have their streetcars that will be starting next year. They've been working on that project for eight years. They have the light rails and drones. Last thing that I wanted to mention while I was there, I learned a lot more about the Divergent Diamond and how it will significantly decrease the traffic

1:42:26because it goes from two lights at eight phases for each of those lights and it will end up going down from two lights to one light and then instead of eight phases at each light, it's only gonna be one phase going. East and West. And that should be the original completion date was September 30th, 2022. So hopefully it's done by then. Should be. I would also like to say thank you to Public Works for working so quickly on updating a few safety concerns in Bexley. And

1:42:57also I've been working on a flooding concern along Renault Drive. I was out there yesterday and we were able to work with Swift Mud and Housing Authority. They were able to expedite my permits to fix the to get the permit and so they can fix and get the neighbors relief. I would also like to say thank you to Public Works and staff for working in conjunction with those two projects. Lastly, I would like to mention they do have a Back the Blue event this Saturday from two to ten at Guildorgs to

1:43:27support our law enforcement. Thank you.

1:43:31Okay. Mr. Mariano.

1:43:32Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First I've got a one time repair for Lakeshore Drive. It's in Hudson off Five A Road. Uh major potholes. What's that?

1:43:43Didn't you dig into our general fund last time?

1:43:46Yeah, this is a small amount though.

1:43:55So the fix is sixteen hundred and fifty dollars. Public work has already looked at it. How much

1:44:00is

1:44:00it? Sixteen hundred and fifty dollars.

1:44:03Okay.

1:44:03Seth motion. Move approval. That's

1:44:05a

1:44:05motion. Second. All

1:44:06in favor.

1:44:07Motion second. All those in favor say aye.

1:44:09I I just called the motion. I was a regional planning council.

1:44:15Motion passed five zero. Thank you. So speaking of regional planning council, I was there yesterday and I wanna say I wasn't pleased with the presentation we got in the sense of It was all staff generated. It

1:44:27was

1:44:27something that we as elected leaders, and there's like 22 of us in the room, never got to see until it was presented. Uh they did mention, we talked later on when I talked with Mr. Engel, that they had talked with him about it. He he expresses reservations to it. Um but it is good for the I4 corridor. Um I'm not looking for a vote on it right now, but look at it through through lunch whatever when we get done and then let's have a quick conversation about it. Yeah this this this uh program here. Because it's something that's

1:44:58gonna help the region and if somehow we can maybe even craft a letter and David you can even if you want to come on up and talk about it for a brief second. Um this is more I four corridor. We're in the I4 corridor. I wanna see if we can maybe take a look at this letter, David, before uh uh into business today because we have to vote on this have to be submitted to them by the fifteenth of October. But if we can maybe take a look at this how you'd want to tweak it, this to maybe put the Pasco influence in or the including us in the thing, how excited we are about it, it might

1:45:28be better than just what Pinellas County's done here. But you want to just talk about it briefly what you what you learned about it when they presented it to you?

1:45:34Sure, uh David Engel, Economic Growth Director. Um I had a WebEx with the Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council, and they have a proposal with the USF to endorse a smart project down the I-4 corridor out to I-95. And I um I expressed a little bit dismay why we didn't get pulled in and discuss a more holistic program. And I think it's a great idea, but I think that we should have been in consideration here, especially along

1:46:04the I seventy five, fifty four, fifty six area. Yep.

1:46:08So let's we can maybe devise a letter of support, include in it should go all the way to I seventy five, et cetera, and we can send it off as a letter of support with a caveat that they know when we reach out later on that we want to be in it. Alright, so we'll I'll work with David at lunchtime and we'll kinda

1:46:25second.

1:46:27Got a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed like sign. Motion passed five zero. And uh

1:46:35just uh and looking at your list here, the Florida High Tech Border, I know the guy that was there, Randy, I think, uh retired now, but I will say they sent a letter in for Amskills to get our to get it helped get us launched.

1:46:47Randy Burr yeah, Randy Burr's great guy, but yeah, I wanna I don't wanna hurt what they're doing. I just want to make sure we get included and we can put the reach in later on when this gets funded. We can say, hey, we were there, we want to be part of it too. Um at the meeting yesterday at Regional Planning Council, a conversation come up um between resiliency, the railway came up again. So we just talked about that at the T M A T M A last meeting and uh we're supporting Hillsborough going forward. Now we're trying to get T Barter included

1:47:17and uh happy to say that uh Karl Miska Uh Mik Mick Kiska. Um got a call from T Bardas saying they were asking him about the letter of support and getting work, so that's progressing well. Um Commissioner Cohen from Tampa was very talking about how he loved the idea of doing the rail. He loved the idea of I think that we did everything. And he was also he brought up the idea the comment about Gandhi Boulevard being set up for rail, which I think we had set that up as

1:47:47well for the design of that and the build of that. So I think the regions actually the councilman from uh Tampa, I think it's Nitro um He was very positive with it too. So I think we've got some good regional people now talking from Tampa. And I don't think the Tampa folks are just looking at what's going on there. They see the benefit to the whole region. Everybody around it did as well. So as much as Commissioner Oberman wanted to have a workshop, uh Sean Sullivan from Regional Planning Council is reaching out to her to say, because some one of the members brought it up, why don't we have

1:48:17that workshop there?

1:48:19So I Um I'm glad you brought this up because I didn't bring it up here. But my understanding is and ta and with Secretary Wynne and T Barra and TMA is that they're looking at having and everyone needs to put this on their calendar. Uh the December tenth, I think it's a Friday, T M A meeting. They're looking at having that be a big meeting with all the elected officials in that in the area. Okay. I don't know where it's gonna be, but right now everyone's penciling

1:48:49in I don't I've got my calendar, but that Friday in December that would normally be the T M A would be the big regional Transportation discussion. So December tenth. Yeah, I don't know where it is. Some said for location, the airport or somewhere. But

1:49:07need a big room.

1:49:08That's gonna be a biggie.

1:49:12Yeah.

1:49:12Okay. Um had a situation with a former Uh H O A president. No longer there, but still cares about the neighborhood. And He's got a problem when he has put in anonymous code. Complaints that they still get tracked, tracked back to him. Uh the negativity to that will keep him from wanting to do it again or affecting others. I th I think you know the service department can take anonymous complaints. I know we talked about this a long time ago to anonymous comp But

1:49:43looks like we switched away from not taking an anonymous code enforcement complaint. Legislature prohibited ability to do it.

1:49:53What's that?

1:49:53They can call your office and you can your office can put them in. That's what we do. So they still can be anonymous if it there's a certain caveat. And do you remember what the caveat is, Seth?

1:50:04It's gotta be observable. So i so in other words, it i if a code officer can go out there and see it for themselves

1:50:15That's the way you would do an anonymous complaint is the code officer would could go out there and

1:50:20so our code has to know when they can make it anonymous and when it has to stay

1:50:24public. All right. Thank you for the clarification. Appreciate that. Forgot that little detail that happened up at Tallahassee. Uh and I want to say that AMPO conference, um, you know, I I think it's a shame That I've Seventeen years, I never heard of it. I don't know if anybody ever heard about that conference. It's a lot of technical stuff, but it was also some good visual stuff where you get to talk to the people that are are looking back to how they devise how they're going to set the priorities, how they look at the funding and all those things. Um I think it would have been good to go early

1:50:55in my career. I'm glad I went now and I'm glad Christina you went as well. I told Carl that I thought it was great that he went. He actually brought Scott, one of his staff members there. Uh the information they get, the networking they do is just like when we go to network with others and learn from others was phenomenal. Uh he he he's gonna probably bring up some ideas to the MPO, what he thinks he can do that might help us up in the coming years as well. So if anybody wants to go, I I recommend it's it's a good conference. There will be

1:51:25a lot of technical stuff, but there's also a lot of good that comes out of it too that you can learn to see what's going out there. And one of the things that I learned on the uh train tour that we took Because it was difficult for that region to get together and decide what to do. They've got systems where they got some of it some of the rail is running electric, some running on uh battery power and then others are just like microbuses picking them up, etc. So getting our regional stuff together for down the road, I think down this rail just really highlights how important that is to get

1:51:55everybody together. Um so with that said, um Do that. Thank you.