Tampa Bay Water update and water supply

1:02:25Uh good morning, board, Madam Chair. I am Chuck Carden. I am the general manager of Tampa Bay Water, your regional water supply authority. With me today is Warren Hogg, who is our Chief Science Officer, and he's going to uh talk a little bit later in my presentation on one of the projects, the Eastern Pasco Well Field Feasibility Study. Uh as you know, currently Commissioners Oakley and Mariano sit on our board and they're doing a fabulous job. It's a tough job. You're

1:02:56balancing Pasco's needs with the needs of the region for water supply. So they're doing a great job and I know Commissioner Starkey and Commissioner Weightman has served previously on our board.

1:03:12Tampa Bay Water's mission is simple. It's to reliably provide clean, safe drinking water to the Tampa Bay region now and for future generations. We were formed in 1998 to end uh the decades-old water wars and to reduce groundwater pumping that affected the surrounding environments. We are a nonprofit special district of the state of Florida, and we provide water to more than 2.6 million people through our six member

1:03:42governments. That includes Hillsburg County, Pasco County, Pinellas County, Newport Ritchie, St. Petersburg, and the City of Tampa. Uh we blend water from three different sources. Uh that is the groundwater, surface water and also from the the bay, the seawater. We have 163 employees and we charge a wholesale rate to each member uh the same. It's two dollars and sixty-two cents per thousand. which is a little more than a

1:04:12quarter of a penny per gallon. Pasco County is budgeted this year to purchase from us almost 38 million gallons a day, which is about 18% of our total system demand. Mm-hmm. Since my last update to you last year, uh we've been working hard to address new water quality parameters, uh also meeting the region's short-term water needs, and also looking at the longer term growth

1:04:43issues and needs.

1:04:46This graph represents uh the total amount of water we delivered uh for the fiscal year twenty-three versus uh fiscal year twenty-four. And as you can see, uh they're very close in numbers. And uh it it does make you think about that uh with the the drought that we had last year and the tremendous growth, uh them being the same, it's pretty incredible. Uh But a lot of that had to do with the district uh and the one-day-a-week watering restriction that they enacted

1:05:17last year. And so that was a tremendous help uh in uh reducing what we're you know we our reservoir usage. Uh in fact, the the reservoir, which is fifteen billion gallons, it's pictured in the on the right side, uh, when it's full, but it got down to 2.3 billion. gallons in uh in July, mid-July, which is uh never happened in all the years that I've been here. Uh our goal is to fill that reservoir by the end of September every year up to 15 to be

1:05:47ready for the dry season coming up. So sitting there in July at 2.3 Uh it didn't look good. So uh unfortunately and fortunately we had a lot of rain. Uh I understand there's a lot of flooding and I'm and I'm sorry about that, but it did allow us to fill the reservoir up and currently it's uh at 96% full right now. We've just started uh using it uh currently uh and also our D cell plant, our D cell plant was down like last year as well.

1:06:17At at the worst time uh it was down uh it is currently running between twelve and fifteen million gallons a day uh to our system. But regardless of the source that we're using, uh we supply water to our members that meets or surpasses all the drinking water standards. Uh we are taking steps to ensure that we keep pace with these new water quality standards. Uh as you may recall, the the new regulations were established for six per and polyfluoral alkyl

1:06:48substances. They're known as PFOS in everyday terms or the forever chemicals. They are now regulated and the compliance is uh four parts per trillion, which everyone needs to be under that uh by the year 2029. We have completed quarterly testing events starting last year with our members. We wanted to find out if PFOS is present in our regional water supply and to what extent. Uh the data that we've

1:07:18collected shows that there's uh two primary areas in our system where we are right at the four parts per trillion or just below it or just above it. And those are uh at the Brandon Wells in the Lithia area. and also at our surface water treatment plant in Brandon. Um We have hired a consultant and we're working with them on a report to be presented for recommendations to our board later this year.

1:07:47As our region continues to grow, uh so does the ma the demand for water. Uh so we're developing new water supplies to come online uh by the year 2028 and as well as we're looking at the 2033 time frame.

1:08:02Okay.

1:08:05We are working uh to expand the surface water treatment plan by about 10 to 12 million gallons a day. And the expansion is currently in the design phase. We are hopeful going to construction over the summer. And the project uh completion is for the year 2028.

1:08:25At the same time, we are also designing a new South Hillsboro Pipeline. The pipeline is 26 miles long and it can provide water from our regional site to the southern Hillsborough County region. The project is broken into two parts, segment A and segment B. Tampa Bay Water is responsible for segment A. And uh Hillsburg County is paying for segment B. Uh the pride plan is also scheduled to be complete by the year 2028

1:08:56and it will be uh able to provide an additional 65 million gallons a day of regional water to that area. But it doesn't stop in the year 2028. This is a process graph of uh what we follow when we need to expand our system. And it typically takes about ten years to complete And it compl uh it includes the four steps shown on the graph. Uh we have finished updating the long-term master water plan

1:09:27last November. And uh several projects are being moved into the feasibility program, which is the burnt orange phase on the graph there, as you see.

1:09:39Last November our board also approved seven projects that came from that master water plan. They're shown here on the graph to be studied further in the feasibility stage. The projects are ordered from the north to the south and you can see they are spatially diverse and they also are using differing supplies including fresh groundwater, brackish groundwater, surface water, and additional seawater. We have just recently started the feasibility studies on

1:10:09these projects. And those projects that are shown to be technically feasible, environmentally sound, and economical will be recommended to our board in the timeframe 2027-2028 to meet the demand the demand timeframe post-2033. And now at this point I will turn it over to Warren and he will talk to you a little bit more about the eastern Pasco Well field on here labeled as A.

1:10:40More.

1:10:46Good morning, Madam Chair, Board Members, thank you for the opportunity to update you this morning. As Chuck mentioned, the Master Water Plan Update yielded some projects for us to evaluate, and for that we need to perform feasibility studies. We need to see which ones are technically, economically, and environmentally sustainable for our system before we recommend any projects to our board. We have started feasibility studies on all of these projects,

1:11:16and that gives us more certainty before we make recommendations to the board on the yield, the permittability, the cost, and any environmental issues related with a project. And through the feasibility studies and the data we collect, it could identify fatal flaws that pull one or more of those projects off the table completely. As I talk about the East Pasco Well Field Project, Uh I would like to I'll be talking about an estimated yield, but please

1:11:46understand that's an estimate at this point. Until we complete the date data collection and analysis, we don't know what that firm yield might be. Could be higher, could be lower, and we could find a fatal flaw that pulls it off the table completely.

1:12:10And I've lost my slides.

1:12:16That's the one. Thank you. For the East Pasco Well Field Feasibility Study, we are exploring the potential option of a fresh groundwater or a brackish groundwater well field in eastern Pasco County. Could be individually or could be in combination. At this point, we believe the estimated yield to be about 9 million gallons per day, but based on testing and analysis of the aquifer, that could be higher or lower, we won't know until that data

1:12:46is collected. The study includes drilling some test wells and monitor wells and coring down into the aquifer to find out what the water quality is, the water quantity. And so we have data that we can model the response of the aquifer to pumping levels. In order to do that work, Tampa Bay Water needs to uh needs to obtain property. We began our property search. in uh eastern

1:13:17Pasco County in an area where we believe that fresh or brackish groundwater may be available. and pumping from that area would not influence the Hillsborough River groundwater basin. Our site selection looked for areas that are protective of the environment, protecting of the cultural natural resources of the area, could be constructed in an economical way. and also uh is supporting the regional mission of water supply.

1:13:49We reached out and polled 270 citizens for their input as we started the process. We did that back in July, and we had 158 responses. We asked the public to weigh different criteria to see what was the most important for the community and ranked those options or those criteria one to four with one being the highest. We took their feedback which said environmental protection is the highest criteria that should be considered. We gave this feedback, the

1:14:19criteria and the weighting to our consultant, Blacken Beach, who performed a property search in the area of public and private parcels. The county property that's on consideration today on your agenda ranked very high in the criteria search using these weights and ranks. The parcel in bright green up in the upper left-hand corner of this map is the county-owned parcel that's uh subject to disboard discussion

1:14:49and vote today. These are the public in green and the private parcels that were considered. And in consideration of this, the use of the county-owned parcel would expedite our feasibility study and it will help to reduce the overall cost of that study.

1:15:10If the agreement, easement agreement for this parcel is approved by the board today, We would begin to mobilize in the first quarter of this year to drill test wells and monitor wells so we can see what the actual performance of the aquifer would be in this area. We would perform those aquifer performance tests or pumping and monitoring tests on the freshwater part of the aquifer in the fourth quarter of this year, and the deeper brackish part of the aquifer

1:15:41would be about the third quarter of 2026. We have the aquifer performance test using these new wells scheduled for the third quarter of 26, and then we would analyze that data and bring it back to the public and the board for consideration and review. We should have the final feasibility study report for this and other projects completed by the second quarter of 2027 so that we would have more certainty with

1:16:11all of the remaining projects for our board consideration in late 2027.

1:16:19At the request of Commissioner Mariano, we held a public meeting on December the 4th at St. Leo University for citizens in the area. We uh we met and we had good attendance. It was about sixty participants. Many of the people spoke or they left us written comments. Their main concern was development and growth in the area and they their understanding was that this project was a foregone conclusion that would become a project. But

1:16:49we believe after the public meeting we were able to give information that helps them understand Tampa Bay Waters mandate to meet your and our other members' demands 24-7, now and in the future. And also that this is only a feasibility study. No projects have been selected, and that time frame for decision would be later in the year 2027. We will continue to meet with the citizens and pr uh provide input for them and to them. We will have another public meeting

1:17:19as we have results of the drilling and testing and feasibility study well before our board considers any projects in late 2027. I'll turn this back over to Chuck to conclude.

1:17:35Thank you, Warren. So as we close, uh just to let you know is we're very busy at Tam Bay Water. Uh we take our job very seriously providing clean, safe drinking water uh to uh to everybody. It's uh worked uh since 1998, 26 years, and uh we've been a very very big success. And so I'll close there and and uh we'll be happy to take questions. Yeah.

1:18:00Okay, Commissioner Mariano.

1:18:02Thank you. Can you go back to the slide showing the usage of all the uh areas?

1:18:17Right there. Perfect, okay. And by the way, I want to uh thank you for listening and and calling that meeting together. I think it was very important for the citizens to hear it, get it up front. So thank you for doing that. Um so on the usage slide it shows who's using what water. New Port Richey's pretty low, Tampa's low, but 2043 they're going higher. Can you explain why they're gonna go higher?

1:18:37Uh well currently in the arrangement they are allowed to self-supply eighty-two million gallons a day. So as you go out, the green shows the year twenty forty-three. That shows them tapping out of their eighty-two, which is in the next couple years next to two or three years they'll be a no more than eighty two. They'll have to buy all of their water in excess of eighty two from us. So that's what that shows on that graph. Uh in the year twenty forty three they will be buying uh quite a bit of more water than they are currently.

1:19:08Okay.

1:19:09And and right now at the Howard Current plant, they're trying to look at doing something with that water? Is that like an ejection well is that they're talking about down the aquifer?

1:19:17Uh I don't know if they've gotten that far. They've done several different uh concepts over the years. Um they they have about fifty million gallons of of highly treated reclaimed water. Uh currently they pipe it and it it is going out into the bay. Okay. Um they they've been uh always looking f to do something else with

1:19:36it.

1:19:37And uh also there's Senate Bill sixty four that was passed three years ago. That's already uh kinda that's gonna stop by the year twenty thirty two, I believe they have every one of us have to stop. Uh supplying water uh th into the surface water bodies. So they are looking at different things. I don't know about uh the deep well, I don't know the details of that, but they are currently looking at that Uh at Tampa Bay Water, as a part of our master water plan, we do have a development alternatives

1:20:08concept where we have recently started meeting with the members looking at their inventories of the reclaimed water. How much do you have into the future? And we are working together to try to figure out maybe there's something else we can do with it as a as a region as a project, a regional project. So we haven't got you know very far with it, but that we are looking at uh what we can do with reclaimed water with all the members.

1:20:33Right. So way back when 20 years ago when I was first elected, I went to a uh chamber workshop and we were talking about the Howard Current Plan. Dumping fifty, sixty million dollars a day, granted high.

1:20:42Not dollars, gallons. M G D you said dollars, but I know you meant gallons. Thank

1:20:46you. Um so all that water going in there, I says, isn't there something better we could do, especially with what happened up at Cross Park? Get the water up there and maybe that would work with replenishing that even more so. Now since that we did the 4G project which gets it a part of the way I still at that time still today want to see that carried up further. Um at the time the mayor was said he was gonna try to do something else with it, maybe go to uh Eastern Hills Road to go. Hasn't developed and we've pushed that, even at Tampe Water to tr try to

1:21:17go. So when I look at all that, um if you would go to uh a couple more slides with the project sites that you've we've selected. And I think it was Commissioner Oakley that might have mentioned it first, I thought it was a brilliant idea, about looking for a reservoir in the Zephyrhills area. Now, with the storms that we've just had and from what I've learned from our own staff working uh with possibly Swift Mont coming up with the Army Corps, there was a project that was going to be done years ago. I don't have all the details to it, but

1:21:47I know our team is gonna be working on it in the future. Uh it's not on this list and I suggested we get something like s this on the list and I will tell you at this moment in time. I think it probably would be like one of the top priority projects it would be done. You heard the lady talk about how she was flooding out her she had her mother here today. Uh I get that story all over Zephyrhills. Even Before the two last hurricanes hit us, driving through Zeppelin Hills, you had water here, water here. It was tough to move around all the way through. Those people are suffering.

1:22:17Knowing that project is out there. I think and and and I'm I'm a bigger fan of the uh surface water treatment. The the Howard the uh CW Young plant has been phenomenal. And again we had a big hurricane that came through and were able to get the water to replenish. Now I wasn't as scared as maybe some 'cause I just figured the storms were coming. But I I knew the way it's designed that plant's gonna be high at at this time of year and it's gonna get lower as we go. By the end of summer

1:22:48it should with a few storms, a little bit of rain, it's gonna get filled back up. And it works for a great little stormwater project. Um I think we should be working on that as a top priority project rather than working on this well field. Um I think there's just so many opportunities. And we had a gentleman from like up at Dis the Disney World when we had a previous meeting when all the flooding was going on. Commissioner Oakley, we're there for that too. Uh and when they were going l you listened to the people about all the flooding about what can be done. And as they set up in Orlando with Disney World, they did so many things

1:23:18to prevent the stormwater. You never heard about D Disneyworld flood, not any projects. Same thing thing could go right here. And I think that project, being the Army Corps, has got it on the books. It's already laid out is something that I think Tampe Water with Swift Mutt with the Army Corps with us and the cities should be looking at that project as a top priority project compared to the rest of them. I think the great success we had from the reservoir, we can resonate back up here rather than groundwater pumping, which is the worst thing we can do. Yeah sir.

1:23:49Thoughts? Oh I think Commissioner Oakley wants to speak.

1:23:52Thank you for your report and Warren thank you for all that you added also.

1:23:59Um I'm not sure the test well is gonna prove out to be a a big thing for as water. I think another on on my priority list I look at another reservoir. Um One very near the one we have now. It could be as much as fifteen billion gallons. This year, because of the extra storms and all the extra water, we couldn't feel that, both of 'em. without any issues. Um The fact of it is we use, a lot of people don't realize we use 200

1:24:29million gallons a day out of the reservoir, and we also can put 200 million gallons back every day in the reservoir. So with a lot of water flow and all that. uh it makes a lot of difference to have a big reservoir for that supply and where it's at we gain a lot of water in that area that we can pick up and put in in the reservoir. Reservoir smaller than that of some sort um I don't believe we can take any water out of uh Hillsbury

1:25:00County because that water belongs to the city of Tampa. So if if this other project that we were hearing about from the Feds comes in with Army Corps of the bypass canal that wasn't finished way back in Lake Notasasa, if that was a possibility and we had a place we could gather water for a reservoir, that would be a very important project for us. So we'd gain a lot of water. But um Um also deep

1:25:30well desalination with would booster our way of getting cheaper D Sal water for for our program. That's that's a project we're looking at ahead. Of course the reservoir the like the one we have is also a project that we can do. These are very, very expensive. These and I'm I'm talking like they're just a few chunk chains or something, but the fact of it is it's millions and millions of dollars. to do these projects. And because of these projects

1:26:01and the reservoir, the D Cell and the way Tampa Bay Water handles and maintains our water system for the Tri County. The fact of it is The entire system works. And we've been able to provide Very good water for all our customers. I know you've heard Zephyrhills they're out of water. Well they're out of cheap water. Because Pasco County have offered them the w the water they need to back up

1:26:31any growth they have. And we've been on on record of saying that to them, but they sent the message out they were out of water. They're not out of water. They're out of water. They can pump out of the ground. That's where they're that's cheap water. So they we've offered them water they need for the future. So that message was kind of wrong but Fact of it is Tampa Bay Water is doing a great job. I think we've got some great projects uh on the board to come forward with us with the board

1:27:02and Tampa Bay Water and I think they will prove out. We've actually environmentally redone all the environment around our well fields to where there's actually a lot of water available like it was several several years ago. uh before we started pumping. We do not overpump our well fills anymore. We actually are able because the D SAL and the reservoir we are actually not overpumping those

1:27:32those sites. So there's not a big change in the water table around and and it affects our citizens very little. But the fact of it is this water and the future for Tampe Water and the amount of water we can produce is way farther than what we can even think about, but we can get them done, but it costs millions of dollars. So but thank you for your report today. Thank you.

1:27:57So so um thank you so much for coming today and um Jack Uh, I remember the discussions that you were talking about because I served for six years on one of the Swift MUD boards and my husband was on that seven years prior to me and um the uh The Howard Curran has water discharge has been a discussion for decades. Um and I'm I'm I'm glad the Senate's forcing them to uh the co our legislators forcing them to do something with that. My my own opinion

1:28:27is um I think we have very capable folks at Tampa Bay Water. And um They are going to look at the best um investment for the Tampa Bay area and the best ROI for the next uh you know water source. And um I just look forward to the results of all of these. Um I know that Some people are afraid that if we do this A, that means we're gonna change our development pattern around.

1:28:58But I don't agree with that because just because we're getting water from there doesn't mean we're gonna suburbanize the area.

1:29:08Um It would be It it would be interesting if there's some way you know, we had so much flooding over here on the east side and there was some way to redirect that water. Um, but I can't imagine what that bill would be. Uh but that's something to think about. Commissioner Oakley, did you gonna say something more? Yeah.

1:29:28They talk about all the reclaimed water by 32. I think they've got to not pump into the Bay and other places. Pine County has that, uh Hillsboro County has that. The fact of it is Pasco County needs reclaimed water. We only have enough reclaim water to do uh partially those that are on uh well system so that we can pump that reclaimed water and irrigate yards. We own it takes four homes to produce

1:29:58enough reclaimed water To do one home. Four houses. So we have a use in Pasco County. We'll

1:30:08take how

1:30:08we're

1:30:08going to be able to do that

1:30:09if there was a way to get it to Pasco County. Uh I'm sure there'll be a cost to it 'cause it cost money to get it here.

1:30:16We looked at that project when I was on on the PA Basin Board. I mean we were we had the money for it, but it got redirected to the I think to the D Sell plant.

1:30:24Um yeah there was a project back in the in which you're talking about in the city of Tampa was offering the sale uh to Pasco and uh I think it was an economical decision. It was uh not feasible that you could not negotiate it in price. And so things have changed. Senate Bill 64 has changed a lot of things. And I have uh Commissioner Mariano and I spoke several months ago, and I have talked to to David Allen about maybe we

1:30:54can take a look at that again. Part of the development alternatives, there's there's uh some solutions out there maybe that we can come up with. Uh years ago there was a water issue uh and we came together and we formed Tam Bay Water. And so, you know, reclaim water is not not a major issue, but there's some counties and cities that have a lot of it and some don't and they have to g take care of it. So maybe there is something uh of a regional solution uh out there. And so um I'm just saying out loud uh

1:31:24my brain has been thinking about that a little bit. We solved the water issues and so maybe uh at some point in the future this could be uh uh solved in a in a similar fashion regionally.

1:31:37Yeah. Yes.

1:31:39You know, and I want to say you gentlemen do a great job, the Tampa Water does a

1:31:42great

1:31:42job of looking at alternatives, et cetera, and you you explore everything possible. Um I just think that with all the groundwater pump we have in Pasco it should be like the very last thing on the list, not the top of the list. I think that we have opportunities to get funding for this reservoir we're talking about in the Seth Hills area. And I think with the Army Corps, they may they may fund the whole thing or a great portion of it. It's a stormwater project as well as a water project. So I think this mutual benefits around to get all these agencies together with the great work that Tam Bay Water has done and the region coming together, I think

1:32:12it would carry a lot of merit to get a lot of this funded. But again it solves two things. Number one, you solve a big flooding issue that we're dealing with right now and we don't want to do it again. I mean You know, years ago, West Pasco was on the news every storm that was coming up, right? Now we don't get too many stories because we fixed a lot of stuff. I think there's an opportunity to fix this here in a great way, and there's a great opportunity to go forward. Rather than spending a dime on doing that eastern Pasco Wellfield, I would rather have you spend a little bit more time researching what our team already knows and what

1:32:42the Army Corps knows and what they suggest that we should. go do, work with Swift, take all the money you're gonna spend on A and let's go look at take it A and move it over to Zephyrhills and make that a new project and put that on the list. I would have voted against this before But I didn't know of this project it was so far down the line. If this was to be in front of me in front right now at Tampa Water, I would have went against it because I didn't know how speculative it might be. But what I know now is this is a very viable project. It's the Army Corps got all the history of it. It just got stopped. I think it's time

1:33:13to resurrect it and I think take an RA and make it as Zephyrhills is like I think where we should be going.

1:33:18What what is the project? Is it to uh reservoir in the Zephyrhills area? 'Cause I I don't know what the Army Corps project is.

1:33:23Well it's not that, it's it's the fact that the bypass canal never got completed. And it actually was supposed to go to Lake Teno Sass on my understanding. And it was gonna provide for small.

1:33:35What's that

1:33:35got to do with that for you?

1:33:40I do. It was a study from the Army Corps back in the nineteen sixties. I believe it was the Four Rivers Basin project.

1:33:47Yes.

1:33:47The one project that was constructed and you're correct, Commissioner Oakley constructed was the Tampa Bypass Canal. There was a concept of a reservoir for Lake Thanona Sassa to hold water. Also a series of reservoirs starting which the Cypress Creek Well Field was going to be a reservoir with three smaller ones going down towards the Hillsborough River. Uh at the time the Army Corps put their money into building the Tampa Bypass Canal and they stopped. I'm not sure

1:34:18the results of the other studies or why it stopped at that point, but that was the only piece that was mostly completed.

1:34:26Yeah, I just want to weigh in real quick on that Four Rivers project. We have actually been in talks with the Corps of Engineers to resurrect portions of that. So just that's that's underway right now. It's not really ready for prime time, but just know those conversations are happening.

1:34:41that I would much rather have us pursue that than

1:34:45they're I think they're fairly far along to get ready to test this one. Um but I'm certainly interested in that one. And then um let's get the numbers and you know

1:34:56the testing room. approve out to tell us what's really there and actually know more about the quality of water we have in Pasco County also. A lot of water comes out of Pasco into the Tri-County area in the cities, Saint Pete and also um city of Tampa. So

1:35:17Well I always say that Hudson River water is really Pasco's, but Tampa's using it.

1:35:24So just knowing that that belongs to them, we're not going to touch that.

1:35:27I know.

1:35:28I'm just saying

1:35:28it

1:35:28starts in our county. I think it came from Pasco. Mm-hmm.

1:35:31Yeah. With all the water that's being pumped out of Pasco now, we are the supplier. Granted the water flows to the cell so it's all to be shared. We're doing a great job doing that. Um I'm gonna say that this Four River project and thank you for for bringing that. I was trying to think of a name I couldn't come up with it, but they have looked at that is something that's a possibility. That should even be on this list over and above even A. Um and if there was a reservoir to be built along the way. so be it. If there's something that can be done up in the Zephyrhills with it, so be it. But rather than go building another wheel on Pasco

1:36:01County, I've got Six, seven, six other all things to do elsewhere. I'd rather see those go first anyway.

1:36:10Okay. Um I I couldn't let you leave without talking about trails. And um we already had our discussion on uh the orange belt. But um Jack and Ron, you might rec Ron you might recall when I was on Tampa Bay Water. I knew and and you were talking about this new um uh line going in in southern Hillsborough County, I just wanna remind you that your corridor makes for a wonderful public purpose. If you put a trail on top of it. Whether

1:36:41it's paved or not paved, um, it allows for the public to go through some pretty some pretty urban suburban areas in a corridor that um We'll have a lot of investment. So I hope someone over there is working on that.

1:36:56Yes. Um we heard that back in the days of the planning and our hopes are to incorporate that where we can on the on the route. Uh so that is very much part of the planning and the development of that pipeline. But it is a very congested area. Uh

1:37:13which makes it

1:37:14straight corridor. Yeah, I went through that area in the early two thousands is i in my c early career and uh And here I am back and Brandon. So they're they're gonna be very happy to see us through there. But it's uh it's a needed line and if we can do anything to help out in that regards with trails and everything we will do so. Excellent. I

1:37:32think

1:37:33it'd be beneficial

1:37:34for a lot

1:37:34of citizens in that area.

1:37:36Yeah, because it's there's no other way to get one one there. So it's uh a good uh you know they're gonna have some disruption and they'll get something really good out of it, besides better water pressure. Okay. All right. Thank you so much. If there's no more questions.

1:37:50Thank you.

1:37:51Okay. Um I think let me see where we are.

1:37:57Forty nine?