Starkey report awards chickens FEMA fences

2:16:26Please pass those down. You can have one. This one's for you. Even though you're leaving. And I guess I'm giving out my I might have given out my original Yes, it's backyard chicken time.

2:16:39Ha ha ha.

2:16:40I happen to see this in the uh

2:16:43yard.

2:16:44Yeah. Charlotte County got their chickens done. We really need to get our chickens done. So I I've actually received some emails from people who are saying Um They really wanna save some money and they don't understand why they can't have their chickens. So I would wanna say again I mean it's such a small percentage of the population and But they really want their chickens. And I

2:17:14think we should Consider looking at a chicken ordinance. And then we have to run up by Walton again. I'll work on him. But um Um I just want you to see other counties are doing it. Okay. Um

2:17:29Commissioner Mariano, you neglected to say you got the presidential award at back, which I did too. So thank you for all your service.

2:17:36Congrats.

2:17:36Um and I'm uh very proud to say I was asked to um be chair of the federal committee again for the new the new uh um incoming executive team, president, I guess. Um And uh also I've been asked to s uh do a panel with a commissioner from El Paso, Texas, which some people may know that's where the Air Force Academy is, Colorado Springs and around there, and a

2:18:06commissioner from um Oregon on international economic development. So I'll be leading a panel at NACO. Not leading. I'll be one of three on the panel at NACO. discussing international economic development. Um I've been uh Someone's been sending me photos of people mowing their lawn and all the lawn flippings going into the street. And I you know, I don't know I I I don't think you're supposed to do that.

2:18:37But how many of our lawnmower guys I d I'm not so sure it matters up in your area.

2:18:45That just that just clogs everything up and silts up everything. I guess it silts up the ponds. I'm I don't even know if when they're mowing the ponds if even our own guys collect their their grass. clippings and then it goes in and it covers the bottom and then the water doesn't filtrate out. So But I told her I would bring it up. What what are go ahead, Commissioner Oakley?

2:19:09I think you're it's something very, very important. Um Hillsboro actually sends out letters saying you can't do that. Uh I know in Massachusetts at some points they have where they collect the clippings and they make it like you you take them away. Um I'm actually gonna be meeting with Merrill Brothers coming up in August about trying to find a way can we take the clippings? Can they use them and process them in their stuff to try to increase the product that they have to try to go, but should try to create some type of venue to where we can get those

2:19:39out. But you know people in Gulf Gulf Harbors Woodlands um you know going up in the canals there they got trees everywhere. They got grass that just gets blown in there and they the silt comes from that that fills in. So as part of our waterway cleanup um I think we should we should be looking incorporating that everywhere.

2:19:56You know, I wonder if we could just send a a letter letter out in our in the utility bill. Just a one of those heads up. This isn't allowed or something. Something to think about. I it I don't know how you enforce it because That's a that's just a hard one to enforce. Um Panhandlers. We got the new um flyers in. Thank you very much. Um in uh Senator Pasano's office um printed them. I'm sorry I didn't think to bring any here but for the west side they're in my

2:20:26office and we should certainly give some to the guys on the east. But I don't think they have the issues that we have. So um you hand those out and um I d I think it really does does help them. But I do think I've seen less panhandlers. But apparently I've got a whole group of them living behind International Plaza or whatever that International Mall and Darlington and nineteen Sadly they're they're on property. That's owned by some guy who lives in Taiwan or somewhere. that no

2:20:56one can reach. And um Kath Katie Doltowski, my executive assistant, did a ride around with code enforcement yesterday. And they said they cannot do anything about it. Because there's there is not a no trespassing sign. and they cannot reach the gentleman um to ask him to sign one and therefore They're letting 'em live there. So I I th th there's nothing legally they can do. So is that true, Mr County Attorney? 'Cause it's

2:21:26driving the neighborhood crazy. We

2:21:30gave Commissioner Mariano, I believe, who has read it who read it into the record at a previous meeting, a list of things that you can do that are likely violations if people are living on property without sanitation.

2:21:49that is not in addition to no trespassing to to having no trespassing. So all of those things were li are likely

2:21:56Well, I think we can send him a notice that he's operating a campground Without a permit, which is what we did on the one guy that lived here locally and and he when he didn't respond, we went to his house and we served him. But how do we serve someone in Taiwan? Um the county staff told Kady that they're not allowed to try and contact anyone who doesn't live here. that it was uh the that the county attorney's office said We could get sued.

2:22:26But

2:22:26that's what they that's what that's what they're telling that's what she said that she was told. So So we can so what can we do when someone lives out in the country? And I mean we s we could send them a letter that says, um, we're gonna start liening them. I think there's already a lien on this property. But what do we do? We just We

2:22:46foreclose. Well yeah, if there's already a lien on the property then you then you could take you could that'll get somebody's attention if we start to foreclose. Um I think he's paying his property

2:22:57taxes there's like the liens.

2:22:59There's if there's other You gotta be careful when you when you start to foreclose property if there are bigger liens than yours on it. Then you're gonna end up being subject to those liens when if if and when you become the property of them.

2:23:15Okay, Katie's listening to the meeting and she said code said they cannot mail citations.

2:23:21That's true. That's a true statement. You but that's Different than what you said. You can't mail citations and expect that to be adequate service to bring somebody into court.

2:23:35Can you, Madam Chairman Mariano structure, can you still condemn a property with no building on it?

2:23:41Well how do we notify someone we're condemning their property?

2:23:46Well you're you're way beyond where you know, this started out with getting a hold of the property of it. And the the county attorney advised that You couldn't. mail them a letter without having liability.

2:24:12You can get service in in other states. It's in Thailand countries.

2:24:20So

2:24:20we would hire someone to serve him? You would hire some if if it's important enough for the commission, yes, you would get somebody to s to do f foreign service of process.

2:24:30Okay.

2:24:32I bet you

2:24:33it's never done that before.

2:24:35I'm sure they have it.

2:24:36Be good for Micah. Okay. Well listen, I'm willing to take the step if that's the only step we have to get That's step one to get them off the property, because otherwise m is it true we can't do anything if it's private property?

2:24:53Just said there were there we went through a list of things the code could do.

2:24:58What's the nother sorry. You can get someone can send it to the side.

2:25:05Bring

2:25:05back an agenda item for next meeting.

2:25:07Yeah, because I don't remember ev everything. I thought we could cite him for operating a campground without a permit, which is what I did to get rid of that one that shut down the well. Right. So th I mean

2:25:18a list of there are a list of items that you can that you can go through. Some of which need service on the property owner, some of which you can go after the individuals who are occupying the property. If there if if there's a sanitation violation. That's the person who's making the sanitation violation, it's not necessarily the property owner. So I'm assuming they are out there without toilets, without you know any any sort of

2:25:49facility. Um so there are steps that can be taken. Okay. I wish it wanna

2:25:53make sure code knows them all. But code can contact our office and we'll be happy to assist them. Right, because right now they said their answer type. Um so in going through the FEMA um ordinance I learned that Yeah. F uh a fence permit is required when you put a fence in certain areas that are affec affected by Sally might I might mess this up, Sally. Affected by say storms and and flooding

2:26:24and wave action and um Jack, have you ever heard of this?

2:26:29Uh we dealt with it. We had to have a special attorney deal with it, sent a letter Certified, he got his approval. That guy's since retired, he's the only one we know that doesn't

2:26:39approve. I I don't think anyone in Gulf Harbor's knows they need a fr fence permit. Um And as far as I've dealt when I've dealt with staff co enforcement anyway, there is no staff staff defence permit requirement that's There is no fence permitting process in the county according to them. Um we've made a rule that um no s um s chain link fences on fifty four and in and some roads here. We said that that's the direction. But if we don't require businesses to put get a permit

2:27:10How are they gonna know they what kind of fence they can or cannot put up? So um Derek's done a little work um on this and he's gonna be bringing us some information at the next board meeting when we're back in New Port Richey, similar to what you did on um uh the parking. Not you know, not on residential, but certainly on commercial. And then we're gonna have to make sure we're everyone's aware of of this rule um in the uh Hazard areas. And

2:27:40lastly You drive one fifty two. It's full of coven grass. And I I actually think DOT is becoming a major spread they're the major spreader on on fifty two, but there are some pastures there that are a hundred percent coging grass on the south side. We need to be very careful when they come in for development. that the the way you deal with Kogan, my understanding is when you when you clear You gotta put it all into a pile and you gotta burn it. Um you don't want to take

2:28:11it and transfer it to somewhere else, but I'm telling you, I've been telling this board For a number of years now, we have got to get the Cocongrass under control. We're or every empty place. And I'm talking about the spaces between Palmeadows Every one of our right-of-way is gonna be covered in coconut gas because there's nothing that that takes it out. And when you mow it It sends it out. So I'm asking you and I talked to Kabal about this Please get it off Starkey Boulevard. Swift

2:28:41Mud takes it out when it comes on their side, but it is coming down now the whole side on the right. In our right of way on Starkey Volvo. Um, but we I I'm gonna talk to Wilton about this. This is a state issue. This is D O T's g also gotta get some money to treat their right aways that they're and they're spreading, they gotta stop spreading it. It's That it's just gonna be like Maleuca in the Everglades here soon. I think that's it.

2:29:06Madam Chair?

2:29:06Yeah.

2:29:07Just to go back to the wave action thing. So the probably the next meeting or the meeting after we're gonna have that's gonna be a topic. One of the problems with the wave action is it says in it it's very hard to defend uh as it's listed. So it is something that we're real careful about letting staff to go put that into the code um as we go forward. So please

2:29:29You talk about the limois? Uh the Limwall Line? The limited uh the line of I don't know. I learned about the Limois line and most engineers don't even know anything about it.

2:29:41Yeah, I think that's

2:29:42where the wave action hits in a coastal.

2:29:44Okay, yeah, so so in trying to prove what's leg you know, what what's safe and what's not safe and what's permeable and what's not is like super deg difficult. We don't have the experts on staff for it. And like I said, in the private sector they're just not out there either.

2:29:56Yeah.

2:29:57And like this this one gentleman, literally he was gonna stop him from having a retaining wall in his yard. uh after he built this house at of after he got a permit for it because of word about the run the engineer had to go design it, set it up, and it's like our like our whole coast is only you know two, three, four feet deep. it actually applied for a whole coast and it was completely inapplicable. He finally got it approved and was able to stay. But the next guy coming through, he's gonna face the same struggle but without having an engineer that could certify it. We're gonna causing more

2:30:27and more trouble up and down the coast.

2:30:28The Commissioner Chuaks from Charlotte County, who used to be president of the Florida Building Association. Um he's very concerned about all this action that FEMA's taken and um Just like when we went up there for the bigger waters. They don't have to do that. necessarily have any numbers to back up a lot of the things that they're saying. Um, I talked to some builders and developers in Pinellas County. They went unbeknownst to them. They didn't do what we're doing. And w where we have stakeholder groups They went to a level three.

2:31:00and they told me This is in the community rating system. We're level six. They went to a level three, it's wreaking economic havoc. Im I mean they've only just done it and it's already costing Millions and millions and millions of dollars. Millions of dollars. Projects falling through right and left and And they they said they're trying to Change it and um it's it's really gonna become a big problem for Dallas County. So

2:31:27and and again that's why I wanted to make sure we're gonna get sent to us the federal, the state, and then red line out the changes to what they're trying to put in so we can find out what needs to be done and what's desirous of the staff to get done. Yeah,

2:31:40so this is something that our c federal lobbyists can work on us with. But I I am sure that when we go to Tallahassee Washington. Um this will be on our on our subject list um FEMA in when you go go to Washington. Okay, me? Oh you. Yeah.

2:32:02You did, but I thought you were saving the best for last. So Um I have actually just a quick update. I have handed out our big um annual comprehensive plancial report. Um it was filed with the Government Financial Financial Officers Association back in May. This is from the annual financial audit that we go through. It's a comprehensive plancial audit. It includes the constitutionals as well as the county and um culminates in this beautiful document

2:32:32for your reading. And what we do is we take the information here and make it consumable for everyone. And we create a popular annual financial report. That's not ready yet, but once I have it, I will distribute that and I'd be free to happy to give you some copies that you want to hand out when you're out and about and talking with people. Um We did submit this for the award of excellence in financial reporting with GFOA. We're just pen it we're waiting on that um award

2:33:02and if we get it it'll be 29 consecutive years of receiving the um excellence award in financial reporting. So excited um that we can hopefully make it 29. Renate 20 or sorry, 29. Whew, that is such a wrong number. It's off by 10. Thirty-nine years, thirty-nine years. And you know, I think that there's probably maybe some people in this room that aren't thirty-nine years old. So

2:33:25not me. Not me. So so I was at a debate um and there was a candidate who said I'm gonna request a forensic audit the minute, you know, if I get elected, and then uh was able to tell this person we do it every year and it's online so how about it. I wish other constitutionals would do 'em, but we we have ours done. Right.

2:33:48You should've let up you should have totally cut the meeting and say that in the diet so we could have corrected them.

2:33:53They could have given 'em a copy. That's only happened a few times when

2:33:58we're going to be able to do