Commissioner reports on cleanup, roads, and signs

1:34:58Commissioner Oakley.

1:34:59Okay. We have an upcoming Lakuchi community cleanup on Saturday, October 15th from 8 a.m. to 3 p.m. And the collection locations will be 20653 Floyd Road, Lakie. And 38724 Mudcat Grant Boulevard La Cucci. And that's in Stanley Park.

1:35:24Mudcat Grant, that's a

1:35:25Mudcat Grant. Baseball player. And that's when Dizidine, when Mudcat was a pitcher, Dizadine could not pronounce La Coochie, so he had it La Couche.

1:35:38Yes. History 'cause y'all don't have that, so I don't think it's

1:35:43Commissioner Oakley City area. What's my new name?

1:35:50So it means a lot. So Yeah. Um is Brantford here? Come forward.

1:35:59I got a surprise for

1:36:01the right-of-way.

1:36:08Ramford's come to us in his new position and with that has come some uh Outlook and setting up programs and things when you call in as a citizen. Potholes get fixed. Within two or three days. And I had a citizen tell me that, Bradford, that that you'd set that program up. To do that. And uh it was out on forty one 'cause I saw a pot hose so I We called it in. And the very next

1:36:38morning it was fixed.

1:36:40Nice.

1:36:40And my my friend out there on forty one called me to let me know, hey they already got 'em fixed. A great program. that, you know, people always worry about pothos and you see 'em from time to time but for them to stay there and keep damaging tires and cars and vehicles. is great that they get this program's for for your team and your staff to make that work, that's a great thing for Pasco County and it's a step up from where we've been. So I certainly appreciate that and your

1:37:11team for doing what you do.

1:37:13So

1:37:13well

1:37:14thank you uh Bramfordumwa interim assistant county administrator. Thank you very much, Commissioner Oakley. And uh the credit goes to the team and also to you, all of you, for providing the budget for that. Uh for raising up the level of service. Yeah. Thank you. That's good. Thank you.

1:37:30You know, I I just wanted to touch on that. Um and I don't know Commissioner if you were on on the board wouldn't have But and you weren't here yet, but we tried for a couple years to raise that second five cent. Land. Second um I think it was how much was the second five cents? What was the number?

1:37:50Is it second?

1:37:52Yeah, Jack you were here. When we when we had to raise the money um to

1:37:59The second five cent local

1:38:00option. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, it

1:38:01was

1:38:02the second five cents local option tax, gas tax, so that we could get the money to fill the potholes. Because before we did that It was taking sixty days to fill a pocket. Yeah. And um we just didn't have the money. So, um, you know, it's not something that you ever wanna do. It's Um but that's something that we we had to do in order to take care of our citizens and make sure they were driving safely on the road. So

1:38:27So it really wor it really works good when you can call in so all you commissioners can know. I didn't know it was set up that way, but I found out from one of my citizens and I wanted to thank you and your team, Brantford, for for putting that in force. So it really is good for the county. Thank you. I appreciate it.

1:38:46Okay. That's all I hear. All right, thank you, sir. Commissioner Moore.

1:38:50Thank you, Madam Chairman. First of all, I just wanted to say and I I know we all have feel this way there our thoughts and prayers continue to be with the people in southwest Florida because of Hurricane Ian. Um it's gonna take a long time for those folks to rebuild as we well know. I mean many, many years for some of those areas. If you look at places like Saint Bel Island and like Little Gaspar Island and uh Matt Lich I mean, you know, thank God for our our governor um stepping in and driving

1:39:21hard to get these things done and get at least temporary, you know, bridges done so people can get back and forth to their homes, but it's gonna be a tough road. So, you know, we've had a a great EM team that um has has gone down there, uh fire rescue, the sheriff's office. I see Troy Stevenson's in the audience today and Troy spent a hit you spent a lot of time down there. I saw you in boats get out there to help help people as well so thank you as well. But everybody that's that's stepping up and and going down there um we appreciate each and every one of you. So again they'll continue to be in our thoughts and prayers and Pasco Candy

1:39:51you know stands by your side and any as additional assistance we're here for everybody so again thanks thanks thank you to the sheriff and and everything he's done as well so we appreciate it um

1:40:04Now, on to something else, which I brought up before, I think I brought up last year. I'll bring up again. Maybe it was a year before last. I can't remember. Let's talk about political science a little bit. You know our ordinance I had to get with Mr. Steinschneider on this, you know, um in in our our code For the purpose of illustration, temporary political signs may be posted no earlier than fifteen days prior to the date of candidate qualification. But here's the big one. They need to be removed five calendar days after the election to which they actually relate. So that means

1:40:34for example if it's a primary When somebody's already won or they're not going on to the general or whatever, we gotta these things gotta come down. So It's I I can't tell you how many people have reached out to me and I don't wanna have to be the work work work as a code enforcement officer and my office doesn't as well. But at least around my area, around my district, there's quite a few that are still out there that won't be in the general. So what do we Where are we at right now? What are we doing? Because

1:41:04it's been we're on two months.

1:41:12I I

1:41:12I every once in a while I see some from the twenty

1:41:16twenty electricity

1:41:19knows is out there and it it gets thrown it falls down in the woods. I listen, I get it. But when I when I'm seeing like twenty or thirty or forty out there What a Two months when we file.

1:41:31Uh thank you Commissioner Starkey Sherman, Assistant County Administrator Development Services. Um we have uh we've been trying to take the approach of notifying all the candidates that they have outstanding signs. We have removed a plethora of signs um ourselves uh from the right of way and they're the larger ones that we have also uh we're getting ready to file citations on those because we've given a number of notices to to

1:42:01go on and remove the signs even with the upcoming hurricane we removed a lot of signs um so that they didn't become projectiles during the event uh but we're about to start sending out citation staff I had a discussion last week because they've gave notice, made phone calls and they're still there. Yeah,

1:42:22and listen, I get it. I mean I know my in my last cycle somebody let me know like, you know, it was it was probably a couple of weeks after it was like, Hey we saw one down here and it was Lily in an area. It was like, I didn't know it's not there you know. Um so we went out and and and and got it real quick. But That's gonna happen, I get it. But you know Fifteen, twenty, thirty, forty, That's that's an issue. That just means They don't care. Or not following the not following the uh ordinance. So so I appreciate it. I'm just trying to I'm just tired of getting calls

1:42:52and seeing people in the grocery store and I'm like huh?

1:42:59Yeah.

1:43:02Is there a fine that goes along with having those uh signs left out there?

1:43:06Um if memory serves correct, I believe once a citation is issued it's a hundred and fifty dollars a day. Uh don't quote me on the amount, but there is a fine associated

1:43:16with it. What fifty a day per Citation. That's kinda like our blight ordinance, right?

1:43:22Yes, sir.

1:43:23We did five hundred days a day for that. Okay. Well thanks.

1:43:27All right. Thank you.

1:43:30Uh besides that, uh that's all I got. Appreciate it.

1:43:33Okay. Uh Commissioner Fitzpatrick.

1:43:35Okay. I

1:43:35don't

1:43:36know

1:43:36what

1:43:36photos

1:43:37let me know. I won't first go. I do have

1:43:44They start with moonlight. Okay. So I'm gonna hand these out.

1:43:57Sword.

1:43:58This has been ongoing s for well a while and the email started. I think I gave away my my copy as well. I didn't get one of the things.

1:44:08So back in October of two thousand twenty one

1:44:16Fire had gone out and one of the lead fire inspectors went out to the site and they did review the roads listed that were originally brought to our attention. that they are in poor shape poor shape and would substantially increase response time as a result if they were improved. One road and one road was also completely impassable. The roads on this list were Telford, Shalimar, Smoky Lake, Hedges, Elsa, Jungle, and Helena. Two of those have already had one-time fixes, so I would not

1:44:46request to have those completed at this time. Um But a lot of these roads, vehicles will get stuck in. There have been buses that have gotten stuck in these roads. I know I believe there have been um

1:45:05garbage service trucks had also been stuck in those. Um these are also the additional photos. You want to take these hand on them. There have been additional photos that had also gone out. That had been I had received In addition to the other roads, I would like to focus on the first several non-passable roads that were originally brought to my attention October 13th. Um I just didn't

1:45:35emotion.

1:45:39In addition, and I don't know if Mike Carbala would like to jump in, but discussing these roads, the several non passable on the first handout that I also just mentioned.

1:45:51The one time fix would be about sixty-four thousand minus the two that already had the one time fixes would bring it to forty nine thousand to do a one time fix on those five roads.

1:46:04Yes, on those five roads. Due to the community putting carpet and other debris and other

1:46:15items into their road to try to fix them themselves, it would actually cost $110,000 to do a one time fix. I do feel the community should remove the debris and carpet that they put into their roads. And that is one of the So I would like to have input as well on that. And then also do you have the road Wander, can you bring up Wander Avenue please?

1:46:50Wander Avenue actually overflowed after one of the storms and there were dead fish in the road from the storm and Wander Avenue was also I have numerous photos of that. I'm not sure.

1:47:10I have numerous photos of Wander Avenue. They're in my email as well. Um so if we start off with just Wander Avenue that wouldn't have additional debris that has to be removed. Wander is one of the many unpaved dirt roads in Moon Lake Estates. The road in it it also intersects with Moon Lake Road, which is a major collector. Wander Avenue is a substandard road in very poor condition, which floods after major storm events, making

1:47:40the road unusable to many resident attempting residents attempting to go to work or get home. And I would like to propose Wander Avenue. revenue for a possi for a one time fix and the estimate cost for that road is sixty five hundred.

1:48:01These are private roads. Um

1:48:03they they are B roads, right? These are public roads that are not county maintained. Because they were never accepted into maintenance.

1:48:15Units, if they're within the platted subdivisions, were dedicated to the public, we never accepted maintenance. Okay. So we don't we don't maintain them that are not private roads.

1:48:27They're not private roads. Okay.

1:48:30No, I was just curious. Yeah, so that answered the question.

1:48:32So Commissioner, I appreciate that um these roads are a challenge, but I think probably what might be more appropriate in this area is for staff. to Um Dive into this community. And come up with a plan. Um we I don't think that we can just uh unbudgeted, start fixing all the roads in Moon Lake. But I do think we need a plan. to um pull

1:49:03them out of this kind of living. And um No that that's where that's where I am with it um

1:49:09Where at So I've been working for this over the past year and they have dove into it. It would actually cost forty-five million dollars for them to go in and completely pave the roads, which obviously is not what we're moving forward with today. Um What I would like to move forward with is making sure Wander being that it it uh intersects with Moon Lake Road, that one I would like to see get fixed and have a one time fix for sixty five hundred for Wander

1:49:39Avenue because of the conditions of that road.

1:49:43I'll support that. Yeah, I'll support Wander, but we can't do we can't just go in and do the whole neighborhood. Yeah,

1:49:50but I'll s I'll support the other.

1:49:53So you want to make a motion? Second. Second. Alright, all in favor of fixing Wander one time? Aye. Aye.

1:50:01So that would be thank you. That would be the one time fix. In addition, I know as the we just continue to discuss the PVAS program and different alternatives about bringing roads into onto the grid. So we will continue to look at that. But as for the impassable roads that are being addressed In the first email, I would like to make it clear that in October of 2021, the

1:50:31chief had Their team had gone out.

1:50:43Don't forget to

1:50:44tell.

1:50:45Okay. Well their team had gone out w and Hela Helena was also completely impassable and then you had the other six roads. So I would like to see them being addressed and how we can address them. One or two of the roads were actually only needing

1:51:03the clearance and the trees maintained. So the ambulances could go through and the fire truck could go through. So I feel Helena should be dr addressed secondly because those are that one was completely impassable. And that was deemed by the fire department? And then somehow if we can work with the community to have them remove the debris that was put into the roads because I am not comfortable asking for an additional fifty thousand

1:51:33dollars. To remove What the citizens put in the road.

1:51:38Okay. Madam Chair.

1:51:39Yep.

1:51:39So Commissioner, okay. Um which road again is it you said that's impassable and fire rescue deemed it impassable?

1:51:44Helena Street is completely impassable at the south end with the vertical clearance issue.

1:51:50Okay. So what's the tell me again what the ask is to cut the trees and branches, what was the guess?

1:51:56I handed out the

1:51:57PowerPoint. Yeah, just you just give me that. Okay.

1:52:05So this is I'm looking at the Hell in the Street here is for right-of-way maintenance, road stabilizing and regrading is ten thousand five hundred dollars.

1:52:15Helena. I'm looking at Helena. Okay, I found it now. Helena, this is um Regarding the road and right-of-way maintenance, tree trimming and vegetation removal removal, so fire rescue Get through, is that correct, Commissioner? Yes. All right, I'll support that second.

1:52:29All in favor? Aye. Okay?

1:52:35Yeah.

1:52:36And then I would like to continue to work with the community, see how we can work together to start having them. Now that we have started, I would like to see the community come in and have input and help you out.

1:52:51Oh, I'll address the next photos. So these photos were from the open house. I don't know if they're in order or not. So the kids were having great time with snow combs and the Bounds house. They did have it personalized so for fire safety. And there were a lot of people. It was a great turnout.

1:53:12Of course the kids were having fun on the bounce houses and They had the the ladder truck out. I know a lot of people ask about the ladder truck. Where is the ladder truck? The ladder truck is stationed at, station thirty on Massachusetts and it's a hundred foot ladder truck. And there was one more this photo. Um this is what I was talking about on the device where it starts the fire and then from the time at a business they go and hit the fire alarm or make their phone calls and

1:53:43get their fire extinguisher, bring it to the fire and start putting out the fire. It actually tells you how long it takes to put out the fire. So if my son took 50, 40. seconds to put out that fire. So that was good. But I I think it's great that's cool. Educational uh tool for our businesses to utilize so they can learn what do they need to do and what steps do they need to take to put out a fire. Thank you. And then this is a Stomp Out Suicide

1:54:13Run on Saturday we attended Uh again there was a great turnout. It's very important that we continue to raise awareness on suicide in our mental health community and reduce the stigma. My daughter and I, she ran that oh she jogged and walked that with me. I I still feel like a hit by a vehicle today. Um the next photo He was our he is the east side director. for the east side in parks and um s one of them in parks and rock. Um He

1:54:44was my encouragement to finish that race and show me where to go 'cause I'm not very good. That was my first five K job. in my life. So the next picture I think it was just o everyone coming together at the end taking a photo. But again, thank you to Parks and Rec. They did a great job organizing the Stop Out Suicide and helping raise awareness so we can get reduce that stigma. And then the last item I would like to address is the

1:55:14concurrency law. Um back in t 1970s and eighties there was a concurrency Law basically It was around in the seventies and eighties and they discontinued it in two thousand nine and didn't so What it states and I might need some help on this is back in two thousand back Previously. Construction for I mean that we like So

1:55:45for the infrastructure within a community or new development, it all of the infrastructure has to be built. The roads have to be built, the water needs to come in, the sewer, all of the lines have to be prepared and built. All the infrastructure needs to be put in within the development. Back with the concurrency, it also discussed that the road improvements and transportation outside of the community had to be built concurrently at the same time as the development was being put in. So the improvements on the outside,

1:56:16the lights on the outside, outside the development had to be constructed at the time the development was constructed, not ten years later or anything like that. Back in 2009, it was discontinued. because they were trying to encourage growth. I would like to see if we can this was originally Florida statute, but if the county can implement some kind of concurrency growth law. To help Make sure that our roads

1:56:46are being and the infrastructure is being built at the same time as the new development.

1:56:54County Attorney.

1:56:57Let me let me let me try and uh unpack some of that. So in in two thousand and nine transportation transportation facilities were a mandatory concurrency item for all counties within the state of Florida. Um so you and There was a state rule on it, certain things could be taken into account. Um

1:57:25with regard to um so if if If a road was in your CIP it could be counted because or in DOT's CIP it could be counted. Um so development And back in two thousand and nine had to be quote concurrent before The board could approve it. Um from 2010 on, concurrency as regarding

1:57:56transportation facilities got weaker and weaker. Um We you mu some of you may may recall we used to have a thing called proportionate share, which allowed you to quote, pay and go, your proportionate chair. At what at some point in time the legislature Um Basically said that your pro the proportionate share was going to be less than the impact fee you were collecting on the individual houses.

1:58:26That was the point in time where Pasco County abandoned transportation concurrency. The problem is that without it uh uh without an amendment to the state concurrency law, I think you're still back in that situation where Um You have to observe it. 163 3180. Transportation is not one of the mandatory concurrency items.

1:58:57Um

1:58:59We can we can look at it, but I I think the conclusion that we came to back In

1:59:09Fifteen, fourteen? Two thousand thirteen. 13 was closed. Yes, before me. Um was that when we adopted mobility fees was that was the best you could do. Um and the legislature hasn't changed that.

1:59:30So Madam Chair?

1:59:31Yeah.

1:59:35Um since we have the mobility fees, um obviously. Now um Wouldn't this be more part of Yeah, well let's just Yeah, the the team's kind of job. With the development agreement, what comes forward to make sure the infrastructure is a pre in place to build to handle the traffic. that is incurred because of a a development, whether it be a housing or or a or industrial, wherever it may be. That should Bing.

2:00:07It's kind of what we're supposed to be doing.

2:00:10Mobility fees are designed to pay for the capital improvements program of the county, which is supposed to account for growth. Yes.

2:00:18Right, right. That's I might you you said a shorter version than I did.

2:00:23So what I've heard from our former county administrator, well first comes the communities and the road if we infrastructure is always ten years behind. But this way it would help keep the road infrastructure caught up because they would be making the improvements outside of the development at the same time they're construction constructing their new development instead of being ten ro ten years behind on infrastructure. We can have our roads grow with our development and it

2:00:53will help with our growth to reduce the burden on our citizens and the traffic congestion on the roads. So I would like to see something to help Bring it back, whether we have to work with legislature or what we need to do.

2:01:09Well I I I think you just put a halt to everything. Um, because where's that money coming from?

2:01:15The developer. They're

2:01:18No no they well they're doing their stuff. But for us to catch up with our road plan

2:01:25It wasn't who was responsible for so wouldn't the developer have to help They would have to be paying someone to build and make those improvements at the same time of their development.

2:01:37He didn't get the funds to pay for that road until he sells the homes in that development. That's what the money is from. So you

2:01:44had to fight a wave to um front and money, right? So That that'd be it's just this is uh listen commissioner it's a good it's a great conversation. You just have to find that so what's the resource? Where's that where's where the funds gonna come from to build that infrastructure if the mobility fees are supposed to account for the transportation improvements or just infrastructure in general um how would you get ahead of it? So that's the question. to ask or maybe to try to find out,

2:02:15um, how would you get those funds ahead of time, right? I mean you would have to borrow a bond, I don't know, you know, there there's there's multiple ways you would have to try

2:02:24Do we have any mobility fees that current currently set aside for future that we could start getting ahead on projects that haven't been utilized or can we request funds from legislature or somewhere to

2:02:39LR.

2:02:40Jump start jumpstart our infrastructure because that was one of the things recently that has been

2:02:48Mm I don't want to say the governor, but they were working on infrastructure was a big priority during the last session. Session. And being able to jumpstart the infrastructure to make sure the community's set up before everyone comes.

2:03:08That's right.

2:03:09Yeah.

2:03:10So State Road 56 is a great example, right? If you look at State Road 56, that's a good example of what you're talking about. Um and that was a very unique unique situation where um Speaker Weatherford was able to um you know g get the appropriation for the first or get the funds appropriation. He got the he got it funded through F D O T. And

2:03:29we did that loan thing.

2:03:30Yeah and then we did it so very unique. I hadn't been done in really the state of Florida again ever. And we don't I won't get into the weeds too much, but Yeah, a lot of us worked very closely on that obviously. Um and got yes, you're right, landowners actually um agreed to pay for that those two lanes, but we also took out um and it was an SIV loan through the s SIV right SIV loan through the state through Ford Department of Transportation We took the loan out

2:04:00as a county in those Landowners, which in turn turn a lot of them turn to developers, are the ones paying us back. So something like that has been done, and that's a great example of the right-of-way. And State Road fifty six is

2:04:14great because it's never congested.

2:04:16So the road was built, the road was built, and then came your development. Your homes came after. That's so that's a good example. So how do you do that? And it's This is a good conversation. So how do you do that? going forward, right? Or do you have Are the players willing to you know get in the game?

2:04:36Well some of the players I saw Clark copy and I'm gonna use Plath Road Development as an example is they were willing to prepay their twenty five twenty, twenty five million dollars of mobility fees. So if they if the developers are willing to prepay their mobility fees then we can we or them or whoever is for constru needs to construct it can

2:04:59The improvements at the same time the development comes in.

2:05:02So they obviously they had cash on hand available, which most don't have the cash on hand Mike or no Mr. Steiser and jump in. Yeah.

2:05:12Especially

2:05:12they won't have that at the borrowing

2:05:16unless bond it or ourselves or borrow it.

2:05:20start our own fund bank that we can use additional funds we can I don't know how much is in the

2:05:26I I think you know and and I like your like your ideas and your thoughts. You know we obviously we want to make sure we have the proper interest infrastructure. So yeah I think this is will be a would be a long conversation to work through and the team to work through with you and whoever else. Um but you gotta watch out for like Mr Steisner was Talking about, you know, certain statutes or laws within the state and what we're allowed to do and not allowed to do under the with the legislature, and you don't want to get yourself in a hot seat either. That's just my opinion.

2:05:55And 56 there was no real road there. Correct. So those so that's what that's what brought those landowners to the table was they couldn't Change from an ag classification to housing unless they had the infrastructure there because th you know there was no there was no reason to change the future land use. Correct. in if it's an already developed area, it's much harder

2:06:25to do that. Right.

2:06:27Right. Because now you're asking the person I I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but now you're asking this possible Land O' Lakes developer. to pay for infrastructure that may not benefit just their development and numerous other developments as well.

2:06:44Wouldn't they technically all in essence already be paying those same fees through mobility fees?

2:06:50It all depends on what type of development it is. So and whether they're paying a hundred percent of the cost for development or not. So you have many categories Putting aside residential, you've got many categories that we subsidize the fees.

2:07:09Yeah, credits for the

2:07:11and I don't believe we're David, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe we're at a hundred percent on even on single family. That's

2:07:19correct.

2:07:22So your mil mobility fees don't pay for a hundred percent of the infrastructure's costs.

2:07:31Okay. Madam Chair.

2:07:33Yep.

2:07:33Fifty-six was a was a great plan and it worked out in the situation it did to build a road where there was no road before. And it was the best thing to do at the time to build four lanes rather than just two and then be struggling to get the other two lanes in later. But it also, by speeding that up, it also created an issue at 301 where people are fussing now because so much traffic is hitting 301 or two lane road. going to Tampa or coming back. There's

2:08:04so much trafficking now and their DOT was not ready to implement the funding and all that for three oh one, which needs to be in now really. So but it's it's delayed. So

2:08:15Yeah. Yeah.

2:08:16Yeah.

2:08:17I still would would rather have built fifty six the way we did. My only regret is that um the that horse left the barn before I got the majority of landowners together because I had quite a few willing landowners who were gonna talk about The trail. You knew I was gonna say the trail. Um because if if they had donated if we had been able to get ten or fifteen feet more from the front of those on the frontage of fifty six, that

2:08:47trail could have um gotten off being a Sidewalk, really? and been kind of wandered through some of the trees. Maybe um it could have gone more into where a commercial area was gonna be. It could have been a real asset for that road and instead it's really just a boring wide sidewalk going straight down State Road 56 and it could have had some shade on it. But unfortunately the um The engineer

2:09:17had already started laying out and they didn't want to go back. So instead of being a real asset. uh they ended up with

2:09:29Vanilla land. Whatever. So No

2:09:35no

2:09:35vision. Speaking about growth.

2:09:38Maybe take a workshop or two.

2:09:39Move on. Yeah. Okay. So it's just Commissioner, how much more do you have? 'Cause it's five after twelve. Well like thirty seconds for this. Thirty seconds then we'll move on.

2:09:48So speaking about development, I mean growth, I think it's really important and I don't know if I received the spreadsheet yet, but if we know the developments that are currently under construction and then Then we can get an estimated completion date and then an occupancy or a capacity, expected capacity rate. Then we can know okay, we're gonna have a thousand new people on 2023, and by then we can start planning for law enforcement public safety and other concerns that okay, if we know we know that we

2:10:18need two law enforcement officers for every thousand and that new development. is expected to be completed on this date. then we know how many law enforcement. So it would be a better planning in the long run in the future for public safety and other areas that are expected to grow so we know in advance how many new people are coming in at what date. And then I will discuss my opioid project at the next meeting. Thank you.

2:10:45Okay. All right. So um Commissioner Oriano, we're gonna go ahead and Yeah, we'll

2:10:49have to carry. What? We'll have to Yeah, we'll have to wait just after this afternoon.