Parks capital improvement plan

1:19:01All right. So now when we look at the parks capital improvement plan, so the two things that fund this are impact fee and penny for Pasco. And the Penny for Pasco funds that first line right there, um, the environmentally uh protected lands. And so that's where Keith and the team is able to come in and and buy some of those parcels. And often what happens is um We'll collect revenue for a bit until property becomes available and then we're able to um uh acquire that piece of property. And so what you're seeing here is not necessarily a spend plan,

1:19:32but what you're seeing is their penny for Pasco revenue projections over the next five years and then again as that land becomes available and ready for purchase that's when the team goes in and does their work. Yes, Commissioner.

1:19:43Uh quick question. What's our ROI on the cabins?

1:19:47We know.

1:19:49Sean McGarvey uh acting for Kathy Pearson. Uh I'll look to the Parks Department but we can get to that information and respond to that.

1:19:58So I'll go a little further. I asked a question yesterday when we were briefed on it. So These cabins they got hit by the storm? Is that where we're replacing them? So one of the things that I I want to make sure if we're going to build more cabbies back that they're up safer uh if they need to be in a better spot so be it. Um You know, we have people that have to rebuild if they're forty nine percent but not fifty percent that we'll make 'em r raise everything up. I think we should just be looking go th go that we don't get hit. in case it ever happens again,

1:20:28uh to make sure we're protecting it. Um I I will just say that there's a um If anyone goes to Sun West Park, And you can actually see it in Port Ritchie, but right now at Sun was park this weekend as at Scholarfest. We actually had them take a trailer, kinda like what we had for a Mercy surplus vehicles, and they've converted the trailer. And it's a this one has to be a two bedroom. And they've taken uh bathrooms on both ends. In the middle is a great living quarters. It sits up high. And the great thing about

1:20:58the trailer is it has a big platform around it. There's like a big seating area in the front and then the side area, easy to get into. But the best thing about it is you can actually just take the staging off and then take the Porsche down and you can just hook it up to a trailer and tow it away. Um I see a lot of that coming up at Sun West in the future you'll see but With all these surplus vehicles I've asked Eric and the team to go out and find out where these things are, what it takes, and we may go take a look at renovating these, put 'em out there, and then you you want to talk about revenue. If they're

1:21:29out there, uh it could be huge for us. So it could be something coming up but Um Again I want to make sure these cabins if we're gonna redo them that they're up high safe so that Um above the flood zone.

1:21:41Administrator uh Karbala asked that question yesterday and we confirmed that the uh locations are being resited and T J Pichet can speak to that in a little more detail, sir.

1:21:55Good morning. TJ Paschet, Assistant Director of Parks and Rec. Sorry for my casual dress. I was hoping to be a spectator.

1:22:07He was there during the storms and we have picked a piece of property that, you know, and post-storms that was pretty dry that we are going to move the new the new cabins too. We also plan on going from three cabins to six cabins out there to to build a few extra cabins um was one of the other plans. Um and there's there'll also be room for growth if needed in the future, you know, in the in that spot that we've picked. So

1:22:27So tell me about these cabins at one point five million. That's like a lot of money for six cabins.

1:22:32Yeah, so I mean there's also a little bit of sight work that's gonna be you know, it's right now it's a wooded area where we wanna put 'em. There's gonna be a little road that's gonna have to go in to connect the two roads and then off each side will be the cabins. I mean, I know it sounds like a lot, but we we recently rent just renovated a cabin at Starkey and and that was almost sixty grand just to renovate the inside. So Um, you know, so with the six cabins w we're probably looking at, you know, a hundred grand apiece, which would be six hundred thousand plus the um You know, plus the infrastructure to get 'em in place. So

1:22:58nine hundred thousand dollars for infrastructure.

1:23:01Well by the time we put Rhodes we put um you know, we put we put the septics, all that kind of stuff in for 'em, so

1:23:10I do have that ROA number, Commissioner. Uh they're estimating about twenty four K a year in rental fees.

1:23:17For unit.

1:23:19Is that per unit at least or total? Total, ma'am. Total, sir. That might be worthy of a discussion.

1:23:29Oh. Uh Louise Anderson, Business Support, Parks Rec and Natural Resources. Uh sorry, Louise Anderson Business Support, Parks Rec and Natural Resources. The twenty four thousand is at the current approved fee structure. And that would be for six total cabins.

1:23:46That's currently a sixty year payback. So if You know, if the board wants us to look at that a little differently we we can certainly do that. I would like you to look at it. Yeah,

1:23:56let me let me let me put a recommendation. So Let's find out how many of these trails we have that were surplus from FEMA, et cetera. They say that for probably like two or three grand. Maybe four grand, five grand, depending on how bad they are. They can actually renovate these things. Put 'em on a trailer. So if a storm does come, instead of worried about it getting wiped out, we hook it up and get out of there.

1:24:17So do we still have those trailers?

1:24:18No, we do. Yeah, we have uh a little over a dozen. Yeah. Please please come up and take a look at this thing. It'll it'll kinda open your eyes to say, you know what, this makes a lot more sense. And then instead of spending a lot of money on infrastructure, et cetera, et cetera, that's the bulk of this whole thing. Now I can spend probably ten grand at the most, let's say five grand per trailer, hook them right up, they can hook up to the stuff that's already there. And if a storm comes, they're out, they're safe, and you can put that safe spot. Okay. Commissioner Weightman.

1:24:50Forgive me if I'm if I don't if I We don't have R V hookups out. where these this location is.

1:24:59Um we do have we do have RV hookups today at at With Lakucci, yes.

1:25:02How many?

1:25:03I want to say that maybe there's about twenty, but don't quote me on that. I think there's around twenty.

1:25:07Yeah, that's in the camp in

1:25:08the campground

1:25:09area. Is that and is that

1:25:11pretty

1:25:11full? Does that mean?

1:25:13I think different times of year it is, yeah. I think it all depends on the other.

1:25:18Well I mean if if think you get a better return on investment by putting thirty or fifty amp service. Uh maybe expanding Speci depending on the the the Seasonal weather.

1:25:30I mean the board would like us to look at our fee structure at our parks, both for recreational camping as well as cabins. We we can certainly you know, huddle and come up with a a a different business plan or bus business strategy. I mean that obviously as we we move into uncertainty on things. That is certainly something that we would be we would look at naturally regardless of where things go in November. But I I certainly am not opposed to doing that.

1:25:56So I feel like in the times we're at one point five million dollars is a lot and if we have a surplus of trailers, I mean I agree with Commissioner Oakley and Weightman that it'd be a lot cheaper to refurbish these And put in RV hookups.

1:26:11Let me sit with the team. Let's do life cycle analysis, cost analysis, uh return on investment fee structures. I think we can come back with something. I I appreciate the the dialogue and discussion on it. So yeah.

1:26:22And we and we have we have moved eleven trailers, eleven of the FEMA trailers, two different parks, some some to With Lakucci, some to Starkey, some to Sun West, and some to um to Cruise Lake. So so we have we have acquired eleven of those two and there's two hook up at the different sites. So if we can

1:26:36save we can save.

1:26:37Okay. And and some of them are brand new. I mean they don't even need to be renovated. They're they're they're in good shape. So

1:26:41where's the next board meeting at? Sorry, date. Next uh next Tuesday. Uh I'm gonna I'm gonna try to say for next year. Or if I can get it to DC, I'll get it to DC and try to think of where I'd actually put it. Probably have to take up a couple of spots. Um

1:26:58maybe if I put it over Premier? If you just let me know where you want to put it, uh we can we can make a mic spot.

1:27:10So what what I'll do is I'll I'll work with this vendor that brought it up there. I'll get it I'll I'll have it out there so we can actually take a look at it during break and then you kinda uh get a full picture what's what's out there and what can be done.

1:27:20If you could just have your staff coordinate with Mr. Breitenbach we'll we'll figure that out. All right. Thank you. Yeah.

1:27:27All right. And then so we we often talk about the expense pressures that we feel on our budget and we talk about inflation. And so our capital infrastructure is one of the places where we feel that inflation the most. And so an example of that is the Bob Thomas Memorial District Park, where we did in 25, we went and got a bond for that, roughly $28 million. And you'll see we need another 10 now that we're We're getting to the right-of-way. um the construction bit of it and those construction costs have um escalated since we went

1:27:57for that bond deal. That's just kind of a testament to the times we're in.

1:28:02Can we get a do we get a full presentation on that park yet?

1:28:07I

1:28:07don't believe

1:28:07so,

1:28:07sir.

1:28:09I'd like to have

1:28:09that.

1:28:10I

1:28:10mean

1:28:10I thought Keith did uh at least make some initial presentations at the camping I'm sorry at the uh parks workshop we had two workshops ago. So this is the big district park of VOPA? This is the um Two Rivers? Oh I'm sorry, I thought you were talking two rivers.

1:28:22No, no, no, I'm just talking about two rivers.

1:28:27Bob Thomas is is the two rivers part. Okay. So yeah, I think we should get a presentation. on that. Mm not today, but

1:28:34we don't have it.

1:28:46Let's let's look at the conceptual. Thanks.