FAC-23-0154

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1. 1May 9, 2023
   Board of County CommissionersC15Consent agendaNo outcome in the minutes

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2. 2Jun 20, 2023
   Board of County CommissionersC7Consent agendaNo outcome in the minutes

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   Jack MarianoChair

   41:32Great, great, uh great program. Okay, now is it time for the consent agenda. Um I have a few polls in the consent agenda. C six, C fifteen, C twenty-nine, and C seven. Are there any other polls in the consent agenda? C six, seven, fifteen, and which ones, Chairman? Six, seven, fifteen, and twenty-nine. Okay.

   Kathryn Starkey

   41:58Got mine, C seven? Yes.

   Ron OakleyVice Chair

   42:03I move approval on the rest of the consent items. Okay, we have a second. Yeah, roll call vote.

   Kathryn Starkey

   42:10District One, Commissioner Oakley.

   Jack MarianoChair

   42:12Aye.

   Kathryn Starkey

   42:12District two, Commissioner Weightman. Aye. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Bradford. Aye. District five, Chairman Mariano.

   Jack MarianoChair

   42:22Aye. Now I do have a note on C six it was gonna be a public hearing item. C six to be moved to the afternoon. C six will be moved to the afternoon. So go to C seven, Commissioner Starkey.

   Kathryn Starkey

   42:35Um so this is uh the um movement for the orange belt trail. Um and I'm assuming this is the one that we worked on for at Pasco or Central Pasco Employment Center. Is that correct?

   42:53Geek or Tina or anybody?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   42:56This is on Mr. Southworth's

   Kathryn Starkey

   42:58property. Yeah, okay. See there's no one here that knows about And um

   43:05Uh there's a couple things on there. One it talks about a bobwire fence. Um if there are no cattle on the northern piece, do we still have to put a bobwire fence or does this say only If They're our count.

   Doug Anderson

   43:21Hey, good morning ma'am. Doug Anderson, Assistant Director of Facilities Management. Uh based on the information that I saw going back and forth between um for the MPUD and devo uh future development and also engineering there will be live cattle that uh that's requiring us to have the barbed wire fence or barbed wire on the fence. Uh there were two options presented. Uh F dot F dot type type A and type B fencing. Um

   43:52I have some. I have some pictures right here what what the difference is.

   Kathryn Starkey

   43:56Do I have to

   Doug Anderson

   43:57show 'em can you show 'em in the Elm Right?

   Kathryn Starkey

   44:05Um but my question is if there are no cattle, do we still have to have that fence? Because that's the Amazon site and

   Doug Anderson

   44:13the answer would be no. If there's no if there's no we're not trying to keep any livestock, then you would not have be required to have the barbell.

   Kathryn Starkey

   44:19So we don't have to have a fence between the property and the trail?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   44:23No. Okay. What he said was you didn't have to have a barbed wire. I vi I read this to say you have to have a fence.

   Kathryn Starkey

   44:30Well that that's not a good idea to have a fence, keeping the public from the trail. So I'd I'd like to Talk about that.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   44:39I think the idea is to keep the public from this property. Not keeping the public from the Well that's

   Kathryn Starkey

   44:45how some people may get to work. I mean w we n you never put a I've never seen a f There's no reason to put a fence there. If it's not I understand for cattle But

   44:59This is not a private um gated area. So it's just about place of employment while people work. So I I'd like to make sure we're discussing with the property owner that we don't need a fence if there isn't cattle.

   Ron OakleyVice Chair

   45:16Commissioner Oakley. I I gotta ask a question. Uh how come Well that's a class you're saying the fence is covering a roadway, the a public roadway?

   Doug Anderson

   45:27It's just m it's marking off the right away or easement between the Uh cattle uh cattle herders property and the area where the trail will be going. So it's just to make sure that the cattle do not roam into traffic in other areas.

   Kathryn Starkey

   45:44And we have to ha you have to have that. You don't want cattle going across the trail.

   Doug Anderson

   45:47Right.

   Kathryn Starkey

   45:48But When that land gets developed, there's no reason to have that fence.

   Ron OakleyVice Chair

   45:53Well the cattle won't be there either.

   Kathryn Starkey

   45:56Exactly. So I just want to make sure in this agreement that there doesn't have to be that fence once there is no cattle. Is or are the bottom of the property. The second thing is this if that if Just to make sure everyone remembers this. Uh 'cause I was on the state rainways and trails council when we when the state passed this. Any Land that is owned by uh a private citizen that has a trail going through it, if

   46:26it's open to the public, the state will take on the liability. So it's there's no reason for us to take on that liability. If we don't if so just want to make sure Mr. Administrator, that you know that that law exists in state statute.

   Aaron Churchman

   46:42Chairman

   Jack MarianoChair

   46:43Commission Weightman. Thank you, sir. Um Yeah good Good point on liability, Commissioner Starkey. I just want to make sure that

   46:52the private landowner, you know, obviously people can if there's if if if the general public they'll folks wander, right? So I worry about the liability and the liability coverage that the private landowner would have to have. And that's just an additional cost to that private landowner. So Agreeing with Commissioner Starkey. Let's make sure that we limit the liability to the private landowner that's gonna be, you know Sharing this this space together. So that's just my concern uh with it. Yeah

   Kathryn Starkey

   47:21and to and to expand on that uh lia liability coverage, it's not just on the trail, it covers the whole boundary of the contiguous property that private landowner owns.

   Jack MarianoChair

   47:33Is there a cap? On the There's a lot of acreage there. So it'll cover those that whole a hundred.

   Kathryn Starkey

   47:40It'll cover Mr. S if Mr. Southward is letting the public use that piece Um Which I'm surprised it's an easement. I thought we were getting that as a donation. Um but Uh if Whatever Mr. Southward's property lines are If there's a trail, public trail going through his property, he is covered under all his property.

   Jack MarianoChair

   48:04Yeah. Commissioner Weightman. Thank you. Thank you, Chairman Mariano. in my neck of the woods. Let's let's confirm what Commissioner Starkey is stating and let's reach out to the property owner and the right-of-way. and and let them know and that way everybody's everybody's covered and try to limit the expense and exposure to to the the the neighboring landowner, please.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   48:25Well the property owner is the The way this agreement is written, the property owner is indemnified by The county commission.

   Kathryn Starkey

   48:33Yeah. But I'm saying the county doesn't have to take that on. Just to make you aware that the state will take that on.

   Jack MarianoChair

   48:39Shall we continue this item to the next meeting? I would I

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   48:42would recommend it.

   Jack MarianoChair

   48:43Okay. Uh

   Kathryn Starkey

   48:45Mr. Chair, I'll need to get a copy of that image for the record. Okay. So if staff just wants to give it uh to my team that would be fine.

   Jack MarianoChair

   48:52Can we get a m go on a motion? Um move

   Kathryn Starkey

   48:56to continue. No,

   Jack MarianoChair

   48:58we'll just withdraw the move to receive and file the paper, please. We'll actually file the paper that was just submitted. I'll I'll go ahead and just withdraw. She made the motion on a second withdrawal. Okay. All right, C six is gone.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   49:13You may want to take a vote on the receive and file so that it's part of the record.

   Kathryn Starkey

   49:19Thank you.

   Jack MarianoChair

   49:21Yep,

   Kathryn Starkey

   49:21and you have a second.

   Jack MarianoChair

   49:22Motion, second, all in favor? Aye. Roll call.

   Kathryn Starkey

   49:25District one, Commissioner Oakley.

   Jack MarianoChair

   49:27Aye.

   Kathryn Starkey

   49:27District two, Commissioner Weightman. Aye. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Bradford. Oh

   Sue Isel

   49:34my my mic. All right.

   Kathryn Starkey

   49:35District five, Chairman

   Kathryn Starkey

   49:37Mariano. So my my mic was not on. Were you able to record what I was saying? Okay, it's on.

   Doug Anderson

   49:43Okay, C

   Jack MarianoChair

   49:43C fifteen Ben Hager.

   Doug Anderson

   49:46C fifteen, we're pulling that agenda item and moving it to a to uh the next board meeting

   Jack MarianoChair

   49:50okay and c twenty nine is withdrawn as well Yeah. That'll take care of the consent agenda.

   Kathryn Starkey

   49:58It's a small one today.