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1. 1Jul 6, 2021
   Board of County CommissionersC17Consent agendaApproved

   Approved minutes

   Approved Staff’s recommendation and to include the re-appointment of the members for 6 months and review after redistricting for one member per Commission District, one at- Large, and the School Board Member.

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   Mike Moore

   25:31Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um hey, I just pulled this. I I'm fine with everybody we want to appoint um on the Planning Commission. Uh my issue is the same thing I stated last time. I don't think we should be voting all these at once. We should be pulling these separately moving forward. I mentioned that last time when we did that. I think you guys remember. I d we shouldn't put everybody in a in a in a barrel because there may be a a time in the future that we prefer not to have one person. So instead of having a discussion and saying, Okay, I'm

   26:01good with four of them and not and not one of them, I think we should be voting for all of them separate in the beginning in in the future. If you guys would agree with that, I move it.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   26:09Well, from I'm glad that you are bringing this up because I personally like the way we did it before and when we each appointed somebody.

   Mike Moore

   26:18Uh I see what you're saying.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   26:19Yeah, I would prefer to go back to that that method then

   Mike Moore

   26:24What and when we did the uh that was when we did had um DRC. No we have

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   26:28to do that. No, we have that in commission. We had more people and we made it smaller, I think. But um I I prefer to appoint someone to that.

   Jack Mariano

   26:38Mr. Chairman Mariano. And Commissioner Starkey, I agree a hundred percent. Commissioner Moore, I was gonna actually pull the I was pulling the agenda item too, so I'm glad you did. Um at the last time we did the uh announcement of a new Planning Commission member, I said at the same time I don't have a single person from District Five. And there's not a single person in District One either. So I think we should

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   26:57not have anyone from my district either. So

   Jack Mariano

   27:00I so I think we should go back.

   27:07But I think we should all be appointing at least one person, if not two.

   Mike Moore

   27:10Yeah, thank we Where's uh Charles Charles Gray, he's from what district?

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   27:15He's in Commissioner Fitzpatrick's.

   Mike Moore

   27:18What about um Dot Anderson, which we just appointed?

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   27:22I think he's on the He's in Fitzpatrick's.

   Mike Moore

   27:24I'm motion for Pointon. That's fine. So we so you

   27:27got

   27:27a couple on the west side here, you

   27:29got

   27:29a

   27:29couple

   27:29of the east side, that's fine. I mean I'm fine with everybody now. I I think in the future though, as we as we talk about it, we do them separately, we pull them, we do one by one. If you want to go back to those appointments, I'd be fine with that too. But I don't think we need uh we can't hold this up now though.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   27:41Well I don't want to hold that up, but I wanna suggest it be for six months while we work on redoing it.

   Jack Mariano

   27:53So there'd so there'd be three districts that are not represented. So I think we need to do it quicker than six months. I'd like to see it back even two months.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   28:02You this requires a land development code amendment. Okay. So I'm not sure that you can get a land development code amendment done in in six in two months. I mean ninety days is about as fast and you've got your land develop or your uh planning and development staff doing a bunch of stuff. So uh but that would be up to the administrator. If we want to we could

   Ron OakleyChair

   28:23bring it back in in um four months. Gives them a little extra time, maybe to

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   28:30language before. I don't

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   28:31discuss. But I'll also remind you that that the reason that you moved to board appointments versus commission appointments was to get away from to to move forward the the way most other jurisdictions do it and not have Hate to say this, but political appointments and having the entire board agree on everyone that is on that planning commission because it is probably

   29:01your most important board. That's that was the reason. That's why

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   29:06I feel that the West Side should be represented.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   29:08And I'm not saying that there shouldn't be representation of of the districts what you got three. What I'm saying is that the individual appointments by commissioners That's why we moved away from that room. Because

   Ron OakleyChair

   29:25it'd be more political.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   29:27Well let me ask you clearly more political. Can we say that the Planning Commission has to be made of members representing each district?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   29:36Yes.

   29:38That I don't have that I don't have a problem with. I think when

   Mike Moore

   29:41we went to last time since I just want to keep going since I pulled it, but um initially you was w you know we looked at the applications, don't forget. So there all of us here looked at the applications. There were people from each district at that moment, at that time, that I thought I don't think I had one from my district everybody was comfortable with or right.

   Jack Mariano

   30:02Mr. Mariano. I'm gonna say I think the language we had before worked. It shouldn't be a hard thing to redo it. Um our MPOs, we appoint everybody from ourselves, our own districts as well. So it's not just something unique to us. This is done on the MPO as well. I wanna go I I really wanna go back to that and like to bring back the same language we had from before so it makes it easy for staff and help speed along and just go back back to the same thing we did before.

   Ron OakleyChair

   30:30Well I will say that um even though we're talking about going back to the way it was before, we've I think the Planning Commission has been operating uh very well the way it it is now. I

   Jack Mariano

   30:43I'm

   Ron OakleyChair

   30:43just

   Jack Mariano

   30:43saying I want a I

   30:44want

   30:44a representative though and I and a district one should be represented as well. My poll is three. So you get two districts represented all five commissioners and they elect us to serve and and represent and we have the authority these different committees to appoint people and I think we should fulfill that and not not be afraid to it.

   Ron OakleyChair

   31:03I don't have any feeling of not being represented on that plan in the Commission Board of

   31:06County Commissioners.

   31:08They're all our citizens, I mean, really. So we all you know, they all represent all of us.

   Jack Mariano

   31:13But when when we look at situations, Mr. Chairman, you know, as as a as a in the districts, there's a reason we're all represented from districts elected countywide. So we look at everything in our district, we should have that expertise. But countywide as well, we need to make the best vote we can for the best of overall county. When we put a representative on there, we can be assured 'cause I don't want to talk to my Planning Commission representative. Once they're appointed, they're appointed, I don't I don't talk to 'em. They they're down, they're gonna do their thing. And that's the way it should be. They do their thing. If we don't like what they've done, we could go pull them back. But I

   31:43don't know whether anyone's ever pulled one back in recent times. Right. So I mean once they're put on, they we make the decision we want on there, they're representing our district, but still looking at everything countywide.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   31:55How many appointed representatives on the plan?

   County Administrator

   31:58Yeah, six plus the school board. Plus, I believe it is today. So seven total.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   32:04So we could do one each and then the administration does them.

   Jack Mariano

   32:09Or we'll just have an at large and we all agree on it.

   County Administrator

   32:12Yeah.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   32:13Yeah.

   Ron OakleyChair

   32:14Yeah. I'm okay with that. We'll bring this back. Four months? Oh good. Let's bring it back.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   32:22And I may not find someone in my district, but at least I still find someone who understands my district.

   Mike Moore

   32:29Yeah. Well this may let me just jump in one more time. I'm and listen, I'm not I'm not against this what you guys want to do. I wanna have cohesiveness or whatever. Um might wanna wait until we actually get do our redistricting though first, because the districts are about to change. change.

   32:47Well

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   32:47if we do six months, we'll we'll cover it.

   Mike Moore

   32:49Well you said four, so

   Jack Mariano

   32:50Okay, you know what? That's a that's a great idea, Commissioner Oakley.

   32:55But let's get the paperwork ready now.

   Mike Moore

   32:57Oh I didn't make a motion yet, no. But um well so we're n now we're gonna make a w well right now the motion is just for these folks. And then I I guess you'll need a we need another motion to bring that back. We just give a staff recommendation or

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   33:10you need to you need to amend uh well. If you want to shorten these terms, we need to amend the amit the initial motion that was made. I mean if you if you if you wanna if you want to appoint these people for their full term, that's fine. But if but I heard some discussion about only appointing them for

   Mike Moore

   33:34Well, I'll let the two commissioners that are looking at making the changes go ahead and make the motion.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   33:41Um well I make the motion to uh approve the names listed here for uh six months.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   33:49I have a question. So wait

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   33:51what I commit on my motion. Okay. You can do it under discussion for Robert Fools.

   Ron OakleyChair

   33:56We'll make your motion.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   33:57So um I make the motion to approve the names um here and uh for six months where and then after we did District Dream, we will look at doing one per commission member and one at large.

   Ron OakleyChair

   34:12Okay. I got a motion. School board number two.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   34:14Plus the school board.

   Ron OakleyChair

   34:15Yeah. I think

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   34:16that's statute.

   Ron OakleyChair

   34:17Second second. Now discussion.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   34:19And so what happens to the ones that are already appointed and there's multiple for multiple districts, they're just gonna get kicked off.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   34:26Their term their term lasts for six months and the board then has to then has to decide about reappointment or not reappointment based on based on the

   Ron OakleyChair

   34:34And they

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   34:34still represent

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   34:35Okay. I would still like to see who's from which district. Before and

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   34:41Yeah, we have six months.

   Mike Moore

   34:43And I discussion, just one final thing. We did um was it a month ago, two months ago, reappoint Other Planning Commission members. So now we're making a motion on these, but we previously appointed the other commissioners to long terms. So now you so you have that you have to deal with separately from this.

   35:06So I guess you could do that when you bring it back. I don't know.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   35:08And in my own motion, I mean uh well under discussion, I y I want it to be that they don't have to live in the commissioner district because I may not find anyone who qualifies in my district, um, but it would be my point.

   35:27You're looking at me like give me the equal No, I'm not Well, I'm I'm

   Ron OakleyChair

   35:33First we want to

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   35:34give you if that's direction to administration, that's fine. I don't want you to expect the county attorney to be drafting this. This is a land development amendment.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   35:43So looking up looking at you. Just because there may not be anyone who's qualified. or wants to. Okay. In Call of Wesley.

   Ron OakleyChair

   35:55They spent a lot of time on that job.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   35:59Call the question, Mr. Chairman.

   Ron OakleyChair

   36:00Okay. All those in favor, I got a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed like aye? No? Motion passed unanimously.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   36:11Little

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   36:12did you know.

   Ron OakleyChair

   36:12Okay, move on to.