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PDD-21-7504

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4 appearances between Mar 25, 2021 and Jun 8, 2021, at 2 boards — continued 1 time.

OutcomeWithdrawn by the Board of County Commissioners on Jun 8, 2021
Approved Staff’s recommendation including the noted withdrawal of the request of the size variation for the neighborhood park and noted amendment for there to be no fence unless it was required by the Land Development Code and the noted amendment to add that each home would have at least one tree in front of it that was not a queen palm by a roll call vote.

Official title

Zoning Amendment (Regular) – Life Church MPUD Master Planned Unit Development – Victorious Life Assembly of God, Inc. – A Rezoning Request from an A-R Agricultural-Residential Zoning District to an MPUD Master Planned Unit Development District to Allow 122 Single-Family Detached Residential Units on Approximately 41.80 Acres

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    Planning CommissionPC1Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

    Zoning Amendment (Regular) (Continuance) – Life Church MPUD … on Approximately 41.80 Acres

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    Denise

    Okay, just double checking, did we all already get um the pup proof of publication for these items that are coming up?

    Charles GreyChair

    Yes, she did read those, yes.

    Denise

    Great, thank you so much. Following item is PC one, it's PDD 217504, it's a zoning amendment in the name of Life Church M PUD Master Plan Unit Development District, Victorious Life Assembly of God Inc. It's a rezoning from AR Agricultural Residential District. To an MPUD Master Plan Unit Development District to allow 122 single family detached residential homes. Uh this comes with a request for continuance to April twenty-second planning commission meeting at one thirty in Newport Ritchie.

    Charles GreyChair

    All right. Is the applicant present?

    Is there anyone here to speak against it?

    Denise

    We have no one that has been that has signed up to speak at the kiosk nor anyone that has sent emails or letters.

    Charles GreyChair

    Okay. So if we have no uh opposition and the applicant is not present.

    Denise

    The applicant is not present on WebEx. But they specifically stated they would not be joining on WebEx.

    Charles GreyChair

    So is there uh do I have a motion to continue?

    Jaimie GirardiVice Chair

    Jamie Girardi, so moved?

    Charles GreyChair

    Second. Chris Williams. Do we have a motion and a second? Any further discussion of the motion? All in favor of the motion signified by roll call?

    Clerk

    Jamie Girardi. Peter Hansel. Roberto Sayes.

    Charles GreyChair

    Aye.

    Clerk

    Christopher Poole.

    Charles GreyChair

    Aye.

    Clerk

    Chris Williams? Aye. And Chairman Charles Gray.

    Charles GreyChair

    Aye.

    Denise

    Following item is PC2. It's a variance request, PDD 212089, 76-store WC, Pong Li Brandy Wine, Asset Manage Management. It's for a reduction in the required minimum setback of a street entrance for vehicles for a service station from a residential lot from 75 feet to 15 feet in a C2 general commercial district.

    Charles GreyChair

    All right. And uh is the applicant present?

    Denise

    The applicant is virtually present.

    Charles GreyChair

    Is anyone here to object?

    Denise

    We have not received any letters of objection, nor is anyone at the public comment kiosk. There are letters of support that are attached to your agenda packet.

    Charles GreyChair

    Okay.

    So if not, I guess we can continue the next one.

    Denise

    Okay. The next item is PC three. It's a zoning amendment in the name of Salem Media. M P U D. Salem Radio Properties, it's a rezoning request from AC Agricultural District to an MPUD Master Plan Unit Development District to allow 325 residential units on approximately 77.21 acres. Comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet.

    Charles GreyChair

    Okay, and is the applicant present?

    Denise

    The applicant is virtually present.

    Charles GreyChair

    And anyone here to object?

    Denise

    We have no letters of objection, nor do we have any emails, and there is no one at the public comment kiosk on this item.

    Charles GreyChair

    All right, and anything from the diasp? If not, let's move to the next one.

    Denise

    Shall I move on to the next one? Yes, uh huh.

    Unidentified speakerVoice A

    Okay.

    Denise

    Following item is PC four. It's PDD 217509 in the name of Conerton Villages 3 and 4 MPUD Master Plan Unit Development. Lenar Homes LLC. It's for a Z rezoning request from AC Agricultural District. To an MPUD Master Plan Unit Development District to allow the development of a maximum of 2,160 dwelling units, 150,000 square feet of retail, a minimum of 50,000 square feet of office in parcel D1, 100,000

    square feet of other office, a charter school with up to 765 students, an 80-acre district park, and seven acres for a library fire. emergency medical services facility in the Conerton villages, village three and four MPUD. And this comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet.

    Charles GreyChair

    All right. Is there anyone here to speak uh for the applicant?

    Denise

    The applicant is virtually present. On this item I have two things to state. There are there have been several ex parte communications between the applicant and the different Planning Commission members on the Planning Commission. Those have been um submitted to the clerk's office, so they have that for their file.

    Charles GreyChair

    Okay.

    Denise

    Additionally on this item I do have a letter to be read into record.

    Charles GreyChair

    So why don't we go ahead and do that and then the applicant if the applicant has a comment?

    Jaimie GirardiVice Chair

    So Denise if you're not going to be able to Given that you're gonna be reading an objection to the record, I really think this should be pulled from consent.

    Charles GreyChair

    All right, let's just pull it there. Okay, so that's P C four?

    Denise

    That's correct, PC. Okay,

    Charles GreyChair

    so we'll pull that from consent. We'll come back to it.

    Denise

    The following item PC five is a zoning amendment. That's uh PDD 217529. It's in the name of Meadow Oaks MPUD Master Plan Unit Development District, substantial modification for Meadow Oaks Development LC and others. It's a rezoning request from an R1 Rural Density Residential District, R4 High Density Residential District, and AC Agricultural District, and an MPUD Master Plan United. Development district to a master plan unit development district to add acreage and allow substantial changes to the master plan

    and conditions of approval on approximately 63.23 acres comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions.

    Charles GreyChair

    All right. And is the applicant present?

    Denise

    The applicant is virtually present. On this item, we're going to check to see if there is a person that has signed up to speak who is with the Meadow Oaks Master Association, so we may have to pull this one as well.

    Unidentified speaker

    There is someone here to speak on this item.

    Charles GreyChair

    Okay, so we'll pull this one from consent.

    Denise

    So

    Charles GreyChair

    that then that ends

    Denise

    your consent agenda.

    Charles GreyChair

    Okay, so we have the remaining items. Can I have a motion to approve the remaining items?

    Jaimie GirardiVice Chair

    Motion to approve the consent agenda with uh items PC two and PC three.

    Charles GreyChair

    Second.

    So we have a motion and a second. And any further discussion of the motion. All in favor? Signified by roll call.

    Clerk

    Jamie Girardi. Peter Hansel. Roberto size.

    Nectarios Pittos

    Hi.

    Aye.

    Chris Williams. And Chairman Charles Gray.

    Charles GreyChair

    Hi.

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    Planning CommissionPC3Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

    Zoning Amendment (Regular) (Consent) – Life Church MPUD … on Approximately 41.80 Acres

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    Denise

    Following item is PC3. That's PDD 217504. It's a zoning amendment in the name of Life Church MPUD Master Plan Unit Development for Victorious Life Assembly of God, Inc. It's a rezoning request from an AR Agricultural Residential District to an MPUD Master Plan Unit Development District to allow 122 single-family detached residential district.

    acres and it comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet.

    Charles GreyChair

    All right. Thank you. Is the applicant present?

    Denise

    The applicant is virtually present.

    Charles GreyChair

    Okay. Is there anyone here to object?

    Chris Williams

    I

    Charles GreyChair

    do. I have a concern. Okay, so you want to take it off consent, Peter? Please.

    Denise

    Okay.

    Okay, removed from consent. Um following item is PC4, PDD 21, CU14. This is a land excavation, operating permit, and conditional use request for Citex NR Holdings LLC. It's for an operating permit and conditional use for for land excavation in a master plan unit development district located in west central Pasco County on the east side of River Glen Boulevard, approximately 3,800 feet north of the intersection of State Road 54 and River Glen Boulevard. Contains approximately 19.6

    acres. This comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet.

    Charles GreyChair

    All right. Is the applicant present?

    Anyone here to object?

    Denise

    We don't have anyone here to object to that item.

    Charles GreyChair

    Any comments from the days? If

    Chris Williams

    not? I do. I have a question. Okay. Um and I I don't have an objection, but Richard was looking and didn't see where we were on the notification list. even though it runs right behind our school site. So I was just curious what the um And maybe we just He uh he looked at the list he thought of who was notified and he didn't see us on there, so I was just curious what the rules were for notification on that.

    Denise

    Yeah, so not that

    Chris Williams

    we're necessarily opposed to it, we're just curious as to that.

    Denise

    Yeah, so certainly the rules for notification, if it's within um a res one or lower, so res one AG AGR land use classification, the notice requirements is a thousand feet from the project boundary. If it's res three or higher, so res three, res six, res nine, res twelve, twenty-four, com, so on and so forth, um, then that notification is five hundred feet. So if you're within any of those boundaries, certainly you should have been. Yeah. So

    Chris Williams

    Um that of where they're digging, but they're we're certainly like adjacent to their hall road.

    Denise

    I see. Okay. We will um the engineer is on online and we will certainly check front with him why the school board was not notified on that item.

    Chris Williams

    And so our only Yeah. So our only caution would be, you know, obviously that's a Not that they're infringing on our site, but it's going right by our site, so We're just

    Denise

    adjacent to the hall route but not adjacent to the actual lot. Yes. The parcel.

    Charles GreyChair

    Yes.

    Denise

    Okay. Okay. We will we will certainly check that for you when you get past it.

    Charles GreyChair

    Do you want to leave on consent or do you wanna I'm fine with it being on consent. You are? Yep. Okay.

    Okay, let's see.

    Chris Williams

    Is that the last consent?

    Denise

    That's the last item on your on your consent.

    Chris Williams

    I'm sorry. Richard just texted me. I guess he did find it. We were notified. Okay, thank you so much. So anyway.

    Denise

    Thank you. I appreciate it.

    Chris Williams

    He he kept looking. So thank you.

    Denise

    Yeah, sometimes all those addresses when you start looking at them you just lose. Yeah. I understand.

    Charles GreyChair

    Okay. Um So uh I think we have one item m removed from consent. Remaining on consent was uh Uh PC four or P C five. Is that right? P C four. P C four and five.

    Denise

    P C four remains uh remains on consent. PC three was removed from consent.

    Charles GreyChair

    Oh okay. Yeah, PC four's it. PC four is not PC five's not, yeah, okay. So um so do I have a motion?

    Unidentified speakerVoice B

    So moved. Chris Poole? Jamie Jurardy second.

    Charles GreyChair

    So we have a motion to re approve uh to approve consent as modified. Um Any further discussion on the motion? If not, all in favor of the motion signify by saying aye.

    Unidentified speakerVoice B

    Aye. Aye.

    Charles GreyChair

    Opposed? Okay. Motion carried.

    Denise

    So it it is at the pleasure of the Planning Commission. Um to go back to PC three if you'd like, or uh we could discuss PC six, which as I sent to the Planning Commission, it is a continuance to a date uncertain. We do have I d it because it was not It was not published that way. Um we do have uh objections to be read into record. We probably do also have some folks at the kiosk. So as you'd

    like, we can go to to PC three and answer Mr. Hansel's questions.

    Charles GreyChair

    Yeah. Um let's do that. Let's go to PC three for the right-of-way.

    Denise

    Okay, so on PC three we've got uh I believe that's Tammy Snyder's item. So I can pull up the PowerPoint if you give me a minute. Okay. And we'll get that Ready for you.

    Let me share please. Can you give me the opportunity to share?

    Unidentified speakerVoice C

    All right. Thank you, Denise. Good afternoon, Planning Commission members. This is Tammy Snyder, Planning and Development Department. And I present to you today the Life Church MPUD, PDD 217504. Next slide, please. Here's a location map. You can see it's a budding Old Pasco Road and just south of Overpass Road. Next slide.

    Charles GreyChair

    Uh it's not showing up on my screen, is it supposed to be showing up over here?

    Okay.

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    It's it will do that. Oh for this winter, okay. I apologize for that.

    It's just as I see that's all it does. They did it for

    Unidentified speakerVoice E

    the board meeting yesterday too, so

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    Yeah, keep banging yourself on that forget. Uh here we go.

    Charles GreyChair

    There we go. Okay. Just give all time to come downhill here.

    Okay, uh Tammy, could we start over?

    Unidentified speakerVoice C

    Sure.

    Charles GreyChair

    Thank you.

    Unidentified speakerVoice C

    Can you reverse the slides for me, please?

    There you go. All right, Tammy Snyder, Planning and Development. Um Life Church M PUD PDD twenty-one seven five zero four. Next slide.

    Here is the location map. It is directly abutting on the east side of Oval. Pasco Road and it's just south of Overpass Road. Next slide. Proposed is a rezoning request from an AR Agricultural Residential Zoning District to an MPD Master Plant Unit Development District to allow 122 single-family detached residential units on approximately 41.8 acres. Next slide. Also requested

    are variations from the Land Development Code, including neighborhood park landscaping, neighborhood park acreage. Um they would like to pay into the sidewalk fund in lieu of construction of the sidewalk. And they would like to request an allowance of an additional 10-foot lane at the entrance for an emergency access. Next slide, please. Here's their master plan. showing their um their access point, um the right-of-way that they're dedicating, and some additional right-of-way

    that they will be dedicating as well for the widening of Old Casco Road. Next slide please.

    The subparcel does currently reflect its original zoning of AR, agricultural residential. It contains approximately forty one point eight acres of vacant and unimproved land. And as you know, the LDC specifies that variations from the code may be reviewed and approved by the PC and BCC during the hearings on any application for an NPUD zoning amendment. variations shall be allowed where the BCC specifically finds in the particular case that the proposed variations meet or

    exceed the intent of the code. The Planning and Development Department has reviewed the requested variations and found that they exceed the intent of the LDC. And this proposed request is consistent with the Pasco County Land Development Code and with the applicable provisions of the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan.

    And with that, PDD recommends approval to the BCC with the conditions.

    Chris Williams

    All right. Are there any questions? Yeah, I have some concerns.

    In the document it states that you're gonna give up some

    L uh let's see, the park. You're reducing the size of their park. They're gonna have a park within this community. You're reducing the size. Uh, based on the fact that uh uh you allege that the neighborhood park, which is in Wesley Chapel, I'm sorry. the neighborhood park is in this development. B Larger park which is La which you state uh indicates that you are therefore allowing this park to be reduced in size because of the Wesley Chapel park. But uh I

    have a hard time understanding that due to the distance and the difficulty in getting to that Wesley Chapel Park, especially in light of the fact that Overpass Road is now gonna be a connector with I seventy five. Uh so I don't see as that having a a valid excuse to reduce the size of the park, even though it's probably about less than a half an acre. Um The other option the other objection I have is the location of the park. You're in here it states that you're gonna have the landscaping around

    instead of around the perimeter of the park, you're gonna put it within s within the s hide the park, which reduces the park size down even further. and based on the fact that you're having what, a hundred and twenty two homes in there I would indicate that there would be at least two hundred children in this community. So I think the park is very important. I think the size should remain the same. The other option the other concern I have is the location of the park. Um You have a pond right behind that. uh part. Uh I

    read through this document, I didn't see where there's gonna be any other than b the buffering, which I assume would be plant material between the pond and the park. I didn't see anything about a fence uh being installed. And I think this size park, which I would refer to as a kitty park, you would assume that there would be some type of barrier between the park And the pond. Especially in light of the fact that this w could be a what I refer to as a kiddie park. Uh

    So I have a concern about those two areas and um I think they're valid concerns, especially the size of the park being reduced down. I don't I don't think that's fair to the people that live there. And so I don't think the fact that you're gonna put the buffering on the inside of the parameter that's on the reverse side of the slope. So if you can clear those for me, I'd appreciate that. Thank you. All right, Dan.

    Unidentified speakerVoice C

    Okay, sure. Actually, one of the main reasons for the reduction in the size of the park is actually because they are dedicating an extra 1.23 acres in addition to the Um

    according to the preservor the preservation tables. Um Because of the widening of Old Pasco Road, it was determined that the county actually needed a little bit more space. So it Um negotiated that that this project go ahead and dedicate an additional almost one and a quarter acres to the county for Old Pasco Road.

    Chris Williams

    Okay, but how does that how does that benefit the residents that are gonna live there?

    Unidentified speakerVoice C

    Well it it is in close proximity to the district park. Um even if they can't necessarily walk to it. you know, down Old Pasco Road, they can certainly get to it. And it's a it's a Very large part.

    Chris Williams

    I understand it's a large park. But I find it difficult to have adults or children walking Old Pasco Road, especially in the future, because it's gonna become a a four lane road eventually, and they have to use either Wesley Chapel Boulevard, going down further to the East. And to connect into all the park. park. You talked about Overpass Road. How how how to explain to me how Overpass Road,

    which is being developed at the present time to be a connector to I seventy five. I don't see anyone be using uh Old Pasco Road. I'm sorry, or pass road.

    In other words, what I'm saying to you is I see A hazardous For both children. parents or residents of this community to use the old park, uh I'm sorry, the Wesley Chapel Park. That's why I advocate for this park not to be reduced down and that the residents would benefit from a little larger park.

    Denise

    Would the Planning Commission like to hear from the applicant?

    Charles GreyChair

    Yeah, as long as Peter's done asking questions of Tammy, so I'm done. Okay. Thank you, Tammy. We'll hear from the applicant and we'll get back to you.

    Denise

    We can try to unmute Justina Gale or um Alba Luca.

    Unidentified speakerVoice F

    Hello, this is Justina Gale and Al Belluccia from Florida Design Consultants. And um in your concerns with the park. We are willing to um even though um it is being reduced, we are willing in the conditions of approval to add additional amenities. To the park. So that a lot of these parks sometimes they're just open uh we'll add ameniti we can amenitize the park and um that will

    be a significant improvement And the landscaping is for shade to provide for shade trees and so forth in the park. It's not going to reduce the amount of park. You don't just want an open space area without any shade provided for the children to play in. And we are also will agree to put the But then if you have a con start with the score more con so that there will be no um No danger um associated

    with the park at the stormwater pond. Hopefully this will clear all your concerns. Thank you.

    Denise

    Justina, um you know what, we should have started this way. Provide your name and address for the record and the clerk will swear you in. Sorry about that.

    Unidentified speakerVoice F

    Lina Gale, [address removed].

    Clerk

    And if you could raise your right hand for me. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give the truth so help you, God?

    Unidentified speakerVoice F

    I do.

    Clerk

    Thank you.

    Charles GreyChair

    And the testimony you just gave.

    Chris Williams

    I do.

    Okay, so what I heard is that you're gonna go ahead and add amenities to the park itself, which is basically playground equipment, little rocking horses, that type of thing, which will take the space up that would be considered free space within the park. I guess if the trade-off if I can't get everything I want out of it, which is a larger park or the original size, according to the land development code. If you're willing to put that cyclone fence in there to make sure that uh no child can run towards the pond. And

    make sure that it is secure. Uh At least I won half the battle. I still re maintain the fact that the park should be larger, but Yeah, rather than prelung this.

    I still think I'm in the right. I don't think the I don't think using the Wesley Chapel Park as a trade off Considering that is not within a walking distance. I wish I would have taken the time to go ahead and figure out the distance between point A and point B via Road mileage. But uh

    Charles GreyChair

    What what was the original size of the park, if I can ask? They have a What was the original size?

    Unidentified speakerVoice C

    One point one point two two acres is what would be required by the code.

    Charles GreyChair

    And what is it now? So

    Unidentified speakerVoice C

    Point seven acres.

    Charles GreyChair

    Okay, so it's a substantial reduction.

    Unidentified speakerVoice B

    And I I I guess the only thing just to add or to clarify um again is Jamie Girardi, um You mentioned the dedication, the additional right away. However The applicant is getting impact fee credits for the dedication of the additional right-of-correct? I thought the approval memo indicated like two hundred eighty five thousand dollars of impact fee credits that they were kidding. to offset that additional right-of-way dedication. So it's not like it's they're giving that

    up for nothing.

    Christopher Poole

    So Could I can I also ask a question on the timing of the proposed Chris Pool. Yeah. Sorry, Chris Poole. Um the timing of the proposed velvet in relation to the widening of old old Pasco.

    The application or or Tammy, is there any clarification on that?

    Unidentified speakerVoice C

    I'll let the applicant respond to that. Okay.

    Christopher Poole

    Hi,

    Unidentified speakerVoice G

    this is Al Baluka, [address removed]. Can you all hear me?

    Christopher Poole

    Yeah.

    Clerk

    Excuse me, sir, can I swear you in first? Yes. Okay. If you could raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is a true so help you God?

    Charles GreyChair

    Yes, I do. Thank you.

    Clerk

    Thank you.

    Charles GreyChair

    Okay. And we got his address, the name and address right. Yes. Okay. Very good. Go right ahead.

    Unidentified speakerVoice G

    So we think that the timing of the two, the timing of the project and the timing of the widening are going to probably coincide at the same time. So uh there's gonna have to be some coordination between the two, uh especially regarding the turn lanes that are required for the project. And and I think one of the conditions addresses that. So there's gonna be close up uh coordination between project management. And and the the applicant.

    Christopher Poole

    Okay.

    Charles GreyChair

    And if I can ask uh Chair Chairman Gray. Um How does the fact that the uh The park is a approximately a third smaller than it the r the original requirement.

    Unidentified speaker

    How

    Charles GreyChair

    does that impact you in terms of your lot numbers?

    Unidentified speakerVoice G

    So it would impact the size of the pond is what it impacts. Uh so h how about if we uh possibly meet somewhere in the middle, we'll increase the ponds a bit. maybe half 0.2 acres, would that be a consideration? So then you'll have a 0.9 acre site, which is fairly substantial and there's a lot you can do within a 0.9 acre site.

    Charles GreyChair

    Um Peter, you're the

    Chris Williams

    I don't have a problem with that 'cause it at least it helps the community there. I think it gives them actually it helps you because you're gonna sell this property and parks play a large role. Uh also uh we talked about one pond with fencing. You have an additional pond over there. I'm sure you're gonna concur with my request to have a cyclone fence or some type of attractive barrier between uh the homes that are on that uh entrance, whereas a pond behind their home too, to

    to ensure that there's safety and security of any small toddlers because I assume that your target is either going to be individuals who are retired or young families. So therefore I would suggest that and encourage that be done and that also be put in as a change order for this particular project. That's that's a fair that's a fair request.

    Unidentified speakerVoice G

    Yes, if I if I could paraphrase what I think I heard as you're breaking up, uh some sort of fence, you know, protective barrier between the pond that's at the east end of the project and the rear of the locks. Is that correct?

    Chris Williams

    Yeah, you have two ponds out there and I think you should put some type of security barrier between those ponds to prevent small children. Who may decide to take off and are attracted to the water. So that's a s safety issue as far as I'm concerned.

    Unidentified speakerVoice G

    Right. D the fencing does not have to be uh opaque. It could be some sort of cause. It's a barrier to keep the fen to keep the kids out.

    Chris Williams

    If I heard you correctly you said as long as it keeps children out.

    Pasco County

    Yes.

    Unidentified speakerVoice G

    Right. And at the same time maybe keep the view for for some of those resonance.

    Charles GreyChair

    Yes, I think it's it's correct. You can see through the fence but it's uh protects from children from going through.

    Chris Williams

    Mr. Chairman Mariano I was gonna ask Mr uh answer Mr. Hansel's question about mileage so it's five point four miles to west of Chipel Park via fifty four. That's quite a quite a walk. So I mean it'd be a little closer I couldn't do it 'cause Overpass is not existent right now, but it'd be a little bit closer with Overpass, but

    Unidentified speaker

    Yeah.

    Chris Williams

    Okay.

    Charles GreyChair

    Well

    Unidentified speakerVoice G

    before let's get back to the fencing there. There are many projects that we do that don't have fencing between the ponds and the rear lots.

    Charles GreyChair

    Well we're not talking about we're not talking about any other ones. We're talking about this one. So um Peter, if you wanna make a motion to include those items.

    Chris Williams

    I'll make the motion that we app that this P D. twenty one seven five zero four be approved with the additional Uh size of the Playground. And additional Uh barrier between the playground and the pond. And I would approve that. So

    Charles GreyChair

    the additional size you're talking about is a point two, right? Yeah, I don't have of an acre. Correct. And we're talking about a uh Uh oh. uh barrier that can be seen through but not Traveled through by children. Correct.

    Unidentified speakerVoice B

    Just between the playground and the pond, right?

    Charles GreyChair

    Yes sir.

    And uh I believe they said they were gonna add an amenity package. Is that correct? That's correct. They said they would uh add that. Okay. So if we can incorporate that language in that In that motion, you're making a motion to approve it subject to those changes?

    Chris Williams

    Yes, I'm making the motion uh subject to approval of of a re uh increase in the size of the park. A barrier between the park and the pond. and that the uh developer will increase several uh amenities to the playground itself. Yeah,

    Charles GreyChair

    they're

    Chris Williams

    f therefore. That's my motion.

    Charles GreyChair

    Okay. So we have a motion. Do we have a second of that motion?

    Unidentified speakerVoice B

    Jamie Girardi, I'll second.

    Charles GreyChair

    Do we have any further discussion of the motion?

    Christopher Poole

    I've got one question, Mr. Chairman, if I could, just for my own clarification of staff. Um so there's an additional ten foot lane that's being added for emergency access, ingress, egress to this development. Is that Typical to allow that versus a second dedicated or not dedicated but second ingress egress point for emergency access, considering that. It's on Old Pasco Road, could get bottlenecks, traffic could be a a concern there.

    Unidentified speakerVoice C

    It it is uh occasionally, yes, it is traditional to um allow something like that and it has been reviewed our Access management folks. But this project also does have a potential second emergency access to the south. If the roadway that's that's proposed to the staff of this project gets built, then they will connect to that roadway with another emergency access.

    Charles GreyChair

    Okay. Thank you. Okay, and uh before we vote, uh were there e was there anybody else that was here to speak on the I've

    Denise

    been told that there's no one here to speak on that item and we have not received any emails of objection for it. Any two records.

    Charles GreyChair

    All right, thank you. So we have a motion and we have a second. Any further discussion? If not, all in favor of the motion signified by saying aye.

    Chris Williams

    Aye.

    Charles GreyChair

    Opposed signify by saying nay. Okay, motion carries.

    Denise

    Mr Chairman, if we can um just so that we won't be swearing every single person in as they speak, and we do a one fail swoop um swearing in, I think that probably makes the most sense.

    Charles GreyChair

    Can we gather everybody together out there and

    Denise

    Raise your right hand and Outside as well.

    Charles GreyChair

    Yeah.

    Clerk

    If everybody at the public kiosk could raise their right hand for me. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you are about to give is a truth to help you God?

    Denise

    All right.

    Charles GreyChair

    All right, great.

    Denise

    Absolutely. Shall we move on to P five or do you want to go to P six where there is a a request on that one to continue to a date on certain

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    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    Item P sixty one was published in the Tampe Times on March tenth, twenty twenty one.

    Unidentified speakerVoice C

    Good afternoon everyone. Tammy Snyder Planning and Development. Um, this is a zoning amendment. Life Church MPUD Master Planned Unit Development, Victorious Life Assembly of God Incorporated, a rezoning request from an AR Agricultural Residential Zoning District to an MPUD Master Planned Unit Development District to allow 122 single-family detached residential units on approximately 41.80 acres.

    Yeah. Comes to you with a recommendation of approval and I do have a PowerPoint.

    Alrighty. Life Church, M P U D. There's a location map. It is just on the east side of Old Pasco Road, just a little south of Overpass Road.

    Proposed as a rezoning request from an AR zoning district to an MPUD to allow one hundred twenty-two single-family detached residential units. Next slide. Also requested are variations from the LDC, Neighborhood Park Landscaping. The applicant wants to install the landscaping internal to the park rather than around the perimeter. Uh neighborhood park acreage, the requirement is 1.22 acres, the request is 0.7 acres. Um payment into the sidewalk fund in lieu of construction of the sidewalk

    on Old Pasco, seeing as how old Pasco is currently being widened. Um and then allowance of an additional 10-foot lane at the entrance for emergency access. There's also a proposed emergency access to the south of this project, which will be utilized if and when the roadway to the south, uh Blair Road, I believe it is, is constructed. However, at the time of site plan approval, emergency accesses will be reviewed and additional emergency accesses may be required elsewhere, regardless of the subject. Mm-hmm. Next slide. And

    here's her master plan. Next slide.

    All right. The Planning Commission heard the item at the April 22nd, 2021 meeting and voted to recommend approval with amended and added conditions of approval. Um first of all the park landscaping. The Planning Commission recommended re approval of the cr request. And the intent of this section of the code is to create an aesthetically pleasing atmosphere, which internal landscaping will achieve. And it creates a more open and inviting space rather than a space that can appear segregated and also obstructing the view of um children playing,

    you know, with fencing or plantings. could possibly create a safety concern. The park size, the Planning Commission recommended approval of a park no less than 0.9 acres, as you know the request was 0.7, and it must have at least three amenities installed. And the intent of the neighborhood park requirement is to create recreational opportunities. And this park with the addition of a minimum of three amenities will certainly provide recreation. Uh paying into the sidewalk

    fund, the Planning Commission recommended approval of that. Of course, as Old Pasco Road is being constructed, it wouldn't make sense for them to construct a sidewalk just to have it torn up and reconstructed. Uh the emergency access, the Planning Commission recommended approval of this request as well. Um LDC section 901.3 does allow for an extra 10-foot lane at the entrance of a project to serve as the emergency access. However, as I said, the conditions state that the proposal will be reviewed further at the site plan review stage. And

    then um their added condition about pond fencing. The Planning Commission recommended addition of a condition to require fencing around the stormwater ponds for safety. The land development code only requires fencing in certain situations, such as wet ponds that have banks with slopes greater than four to one. On this project, the Planning Commission has requested that all ponds be fenced regardless of slope. This has not been imposed on other similar projects, and the Planning Commission did not provide any unique factors

    of this site that would justify that requirement being applied here. When not applied on other projects. And additionally, fencing can potentially cause issues with proper pond maintenance and may become unsightly, which could have the potential to devaluate properties in the subdivision. Next slide. The subject parcel currently reflects the original zoning district of AR and it's a just under 42 acres of vacant unapproved land. And the LDC does specify that variations from the code may be

    reviewed and approved by the Planning Commission and Board during the public hearing held on the application for which the MPUD for an MPUD zoning amendment. And variations are allowed where the BCC specifically finds in that particular case that the proposed variations meet or exceed the intent of the code. And Planning and Development Department has reviewed this and given you our recommendations. The proposed request is consistent with the Pasco County LDC and the applicable provisions of the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan. And

    with that, PDD recommends approval with conditions.

    Ron OakleyChair

    Okay. Is the applicant here to speak?

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    So the applicant is on WebEx but not able to be promoted. There is a call in user, so he might be calling in on a number. Um We can allow that person to talk. If you'd like to see if it is um Mr. Al Balusha.

    Ron OakleyChair

    Mm-hmm.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    That

    Ron OakleyChair

    would be

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    the advertisement.

    Ron OakleyChair

    So he's calling in to speak to us or

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    well we don't know the there is a number. We don't know the number.

    Ron OakleyChair

    Oh okay.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    That's in there. And Oh the h number just hung up. The number just hung up. So um Okay. So we're not able to promote Mr. Belusha on this.

    Ron OakleyChair

    Okay. Is um anyone here To speak at this item other than the applicant?

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    Yes, sir. I um do not have any emails um and besides Mr. Belusha, no one else is on WebEx. However, we have two individuals that signed up in the sign-in sheet that are here today.

    Ron OakleyChair

    Some there in the room?

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    I hope so.

    Ron OakleyChair

    Okay, I'll see you.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    Um so we have Christopher Phillips and Valerie Phillips. Okay. The two that signed up.

    Ron OakleyChair

    You'd come forward and speak for the same

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    line.

    Okay.

    Unidentified speakerVoice H

    You can hang it up.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    Hello? Oh now. Hello, can you hear us? That is the applicant.

    Unidentified speakerVoice I

    Yeah, that would be Justina and And out.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    And now. Yeah, it's we're here. Sorry, there's been some kind of lag and we've been having a lot of technical issues.

    But we're here and we're okay.

    Unidentified speakerVoice H

    Introduce us.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    This is Justina Gale, Florida Design Consultants.

    Unidentified speakerVoice H

    Al Balucha, our design consultant. Mike Dadey with KV Home, the applicant.

    Unidentified speakerVoice I

    Shelly Johnson, the applicant's representative.

    Unidentified speakerVoice H

    Great way at the ABO applicant.

    You're kind of in some kind of lag and

    Put in here. Well

    Well you know what?

    Unidentified speakerVoice I

    So it sounds like they've got it on a T V or something else other than what they're speaking on and and so we're hearing it.

    Ron OakleyChair

    Um

    Uh Let us let the people that are gonna speak to this item here in in our presence and then we'll come back to you to answer any questions.

    Unidentified speakerVoice H

    Okay, okay. Okay.

    Ron OakleyChair

    Name and address for the record.

    Valerie Phillips

    My name is Valerie Phillips and I'm here to speak on behalf of my son Christopher Phillips. He's a homeowner behind this such property [address removed]. Um, I think I'd emailed everyone. I hope you got my email on this. I had also sent video that I couldn't get out yesterday and they said they received it this morning, but I'm not for sure if you received the video. Um the video was very important to it because I was standing in

    front of this property, the subject property. and there's two schools just to the north of Old Pasco Road and Over Pass Road. It's um Cypress Creek Middle School and Cypress Creek High School and then the Hernando Pasco Community College for the Form Informing Arts is there.

    Ron OakleyChair

    Right.

    Valerie Phillips

    And um if you was to stand in front of their property they're Exit would be one exit. Yeah, because Blair Drive is a private road. Williams Acres, when they developed these uh home mobile homes in there, they decided that this was gonna be a private road and it exited on to Old Pasco Road, or Over Pass Road. Which is now closed, so they put 'em a new entrance in. So if you look at the map that I had on uh Uh

    Page twenty five. um of the subject property, it shows that Blair Drive runs in between the subject property and the new industrial park that's gonna be built there. from the the company on the wastewater uh spray land, the old right next there on Old Basco Road. And they're developing that as well. Um there's Right now so many cars going up and down through there and with them having one exit.

    'Cause to the south is Blair and just south of that is the industrial park right next to it. Blair Drive. to the intersection of Old Pasco Road and Overpass Road. is only zero point three miles. And so they if they have one exit They're gonna be at a tenth of a mile to the intersection.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    Am

    Valerie Phillips

    I

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    confused or is there exit onto Old Pasco Road?

    Valerie Phillips

    But it would be on the old Pasco Road, which is when it's developed, I'm sure it what I've been reading it's gonna be four lanes, maybe five. Uh so and then you got a tenth of a mile here at the intersection to get on I seventy five. Are they gonna have to go out? And make a U turn to go south to fifty four? I mean, th they're gonna have to cross a few lanes to get over there. You're talking 122 homes. If they have two cars per home, a lot of us

    do, and and then some, you're talking about two hundred and fifty more cars. in that area right now. And I talked to Tom Lane, he's in charge of F D O T project for the I-75. And he just cannot believe that the industrial park is being built right now. And they're right side by side, uh, because the on it the southbound ramps took up most of my son's community back there in the back. And then the industrial park, if you

    see that video, is right there next to it. And so then you got on and off ramps and that little piece of property of forty acres, They want to put 122 homes in there. I just am not understanding. I think we should wait. Um we tried to attend the planning commission meeting. And in that Planning Commission meeting we were registered online. And Hem and my son and I were both There, his name was on there in that little square. We never could get connected for them, and eventually

    they said, Well, you wasn't approved. Well, I have the emails that I sent to all of you that shows we were approved. And we were on there. And in that meeting they had said I'm not for sure who who represented the community, the subject property, but they said that Uh when's old one of the commissioners asked them, one of the people on the planning asked them, when is Old Pasco Road gonna be done? And they said at the same time as 75. And that they said 2022. Well, talking to

    Tom Lay, who's in charge of that project, he said it's been pushed back. till summer twenty twenty three and if they have problems with that big overpass, which is gonna come from Boyette like the one on Bruce B. Downs does over top of everything and goes southbound, then it may take into the beginnings of twenty twenty four. So there's just a lot of dump trucks. And you I talked to the school, there's like 80 buses trying to

    come through there. And if you watch the video I sent you, you will see that I think we need to put the brakes on this project, at least until we get that 75 and that red light and get the infrastructure done. There's a lot of construction going on down there on the south side of the the the seven mile stretch of Old Pasco Road. And it's just if you wanna add more in between those two, it's gonna cause problems for the state with seventy five, 'cause they're going in and out of there with dump trucks

    and water trucks and then Right there at the industrial park they're doing the same thing. And then not even a a a half a mile down the road, just beyond that mobile home park there, they're doing it again right there too. Eleven hundred homes going in there. I'm real happy that the intersection came there at Oakley, um so we can get people moving out of the way and keep people going. Um my big big big thing to my heart with this project is I

    live just facing [address removed]. I'm at [address removed]. Mr. Oakley, I think I've spoken with you on the phone about that construction. But my response time to my son where I used to go down curly and across D lim and over Over Pass Road was five minutes when he had a seizure. Now I have to go up around fifty-four, I mean down around fifty-four or up fifty-two, twenty-five minutes. Yeah. So now if you add more your

    time's up. Okay. If you add more, it's probably going to be about forty minutes. All right. Thank you for your comments. Thank you for your comments. I appreciate it. Back

    Ron OakleyChair

    to the apricot.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    Well We hear you. Can I can I make any comments? This is just Dina Gale,

    Mike Moore

    Florida Design Consultants.

    Do you

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    have

    Ron OakleyChair

    any questions?

    We can't understand what you're saying with your uh connection.

    Unidentified speakerVoice H

    Hi, can you hear us? This is the applicant, Mike Davey with KB Home, here with Al Balucha and Justina from Florida Design Communities. Can we answer any questions?

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    I have some questions. This is Commissioner Starkey.

    Um one, I I I would want there to be no fences. I'm in agreement with the staff that the fences are gonna be an eyesore. And um I think they're gonna try trying to make that area all incorporated into a park like setting and I think the fence would If the slope is within the safety rules of of uh whoever makes those rules, then I think it's better to not have the fence. That's number one. Number two, I'm just kind of curious

    from our staff Knowing that the um high schools are up here, then you've got the park not too far from here, right? Wesley Isn't there a park on the other side?

    Mike Moore

    It's not it's not quick to get to you got uh right now how it's everything set up it's on the other side of 75.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    So you

    Mike Moore

    gotta

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    wait

    Mike Moore

    for

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    the over

    Mike Moore

    75.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    So I'm wondering um what is there a a trail network planned for this area? Because I I don't see any reservation for any multi-use trail on this and so I'm wondering where it is. S since there's a middle school and high school up the street and a park around the corner. Has anyone in planning anyone looked at the trail network in the area?

    Ron OakleyChair

    Mate, you don't have a trail up there near Quahai. Well

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    you should.

    Ron OakleyChair

    No I've never heard of a trail coming down O Pasco Road. I'm sure there'll be sidewalks.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    That's not the scene.

    Ron OakleyChair

    Where's the trail coming from though?

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    If there isn't one you should be planning for one, that's what I'm saying. If you don't ask them to put one in, they're not going to

    Ron OakleyChair

    To to answer the question for Old Pasco Road, there's not a trail that is indicated Uh on our official maps.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    Is there's no other transportation method? Here but get in your car and drive somewhere.

    Ron OakleyChair

    The nearest trail is uh located at Overpass Road and continues westward Down Bennington what what amounts to Bennington Drive?

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    But is there I don't know what that is, but I'm just I'm just suggesting that you suggesting that someone look and try and plan for something that connects to that school. And other amenities that are around because There are many ways to travel besides your car. That are coming. And if we don't plan for 'em, you're not gonna have that those corridors. So that's all. Is

    Ron OakleyChair

    there a

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    trail

    Ron OakleyChair

    ever connected to Boyette Road?

    County Administrator

    Commissioner, we'll have to check, but I think Old Pasco Road probably has a multi-use path. It's part of the design on Old Pasco Road, and I think Overpass. also has one.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    Well I'm hoping so and I'm hoping it's not smooshed up against the road just like you saw the fatality that just occurred in On the Starke well it was the Penelis part of the Starkey Gap Connector. Uh but when you have a trail smooshed up against the road it's still dangerous.

    Ron OakleyChair

    So it's not there yet, but so you know when over overpass is built. They will continue over Pass Road through Connected City across Curley. On to Hancourt Road. And then eventually it comes out at three oh one. And actually um If we had a trail in that area that could go that way, it could connect to the trail that's on three oh one there in Zephyrhills.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    That'd be great.

    Ron OakleyChair

    And continue on to Dade City and on to the north. So that that could be a connection we would have there. The traffic will change once we open that back up 'cause we're going to be able to do that road's gonna alleviate a lot of problems they're having now because they can't cross over seventy five. but the connection that's not even built there on the other side for overpass Going to the east. It's not built, but once the overpass is done they're gonna build that area and then eventually we four lane uh

    Old Pasco Road and A lot of issues will be solved when that's all four lane across there from pitch four to pitch two. because it's right now it's pretty much a two lane road. Yeah. Yes, sir.

    Mike Moore

    Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um You know, you heard from me a lot in the past about Old Pasco Road and the concerns with Old Pasco Road of only being two lanes. And the amount of development that's currently going in. There's qu there's a ton of development that's currently going on Old Pasco Road. There's a lot of proposed development along Old Pasco Road as well. Um One of the things we all agreed upon when we did the industrial park is that that industrial park could not receive

    its CO until that portion of Old Pasco that sits in front of the industrial park was widened. At the same time. You know, I don't have a set date. Nobody's giving me a set date of when the remainder of Old Pasco Road is actually gonna be widened. We've spoken about it. We know thankfully F Tot helping once again helping us um to widen that road. But Commissioner Starkey is correct. When you think about the school, and I know that school very

    well because I have two children. Um I have one that goes to the high school and I have one that goes to the middle school. Um And it's very similar to the situation that we've heard about in the kind of the areas you and I share, Commissioner Oakley. So you and I kinda share that area and we kinda share that area on Boyette. And if you look at Boyette Road and where West Seth District Park is, there's and and Commissioner Starkey alluded to this. Um you got kids walking in the ditches on the grass to go back and forth. In adults

    as well. Um I've known of people that have gotten hit on bikes on Boyette Road. Actually one unfortunately passed away. This was a couple years back. So we're you're kinda running into the same situation in Old Pasco Rib. So when we think about the future and we think about good development in access, whether it be trails or for just vehicles alone. Unfortunately,

    You know, and I've stated this for a long time. I mean Old Pasco sh we should have considered that, or I did, but and not you, villain commissioners too you a lot of you did too, but in the past, way down in the way back when, um, it should have been done, knowing that a lot of this development was gonna come. And now we're stuck between a rock and a hard place because you have more proposed developments, more proposed developments on a two-lane road. That's very dangerous. The amount of school buses, and that can person that mentioned earlier is not incorrect about the amount of school

    buses. Again, I drive it on a regular basis. And um the school b the amount of school buses going along Old Pasco Road is inc is incredible and some of those areas with the blind spots and the turns with no shoulders where the buses go off the road Um I even my truck and I've even taken my R V down that road before in the past and uh not doing it again. Um because that was not fun. And there's actually an R V parked there. So, you know, I have I have

    concerns. Um And unfortunately we're not able to hear from the pro the developer. I don't know why w the the meetings open. Why are they not here? No. Well Well no. The only the there's no applicant here. So I'm just not sure why but the meeting's open now Why either the applicant's not here or we don't have a good connection

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    No,

    Mike Moore

    no, no. Well uh they just kept having to cut they kept cutting it off and they had it cut off. So I would love to have conversations with them but I I think this item should be continued until we can have the applicant sitting right in front of us so we can go back and forth having conversations because right now we can't. So and that's fair, that's being fair to the applicant, but it's also being fair to the people that have have come here and spoken. That's my motion is to continue this.

    Unidentified speakerVoice I

    All right. Hold it. Commissioner Moore.

    what date? Just so we don't have a re-advertising.

    Mike Moore

    Well so this is and to be honest with you, this should really be h being held on the other side of the county now because we have opened up the rooms. So I think we should be getting back to where we're hearing items on the appropriate side of the county since there's public comment and people are allowed in because they had to drive all the way, you know, you know, for fifty minutes to get here. So let's start giving people. I don't know if you think uh June eighth's pretty loaded. I don't know if Judat's aggressive well I I'll leave it up to staff and

    you guys, but um Uh if you think ju it could fit in June eighth, it's your call.

    County Administrator

    I haven't seen the June eighth agenda.

    Mike Moore

    Um well I know there's been some big items continue that are gonna take they're gonna have a lot of public comment from my understanding. But I could be wrong. But I'm fine. If you think we can fit it in June eighth, I'm fine to continue that. I

    need

    to give applic the applicant the opportunity. I think we need to give the public an opportunity. And I think we need to research that road. I think staff needs to come back be able to come back to us and say, this is exactly when Old Pasco Road is going to be widened. I hear about it every single week. And only a portion, a small portion of that's like kind of in my district, but you know, we share that area. So there's my motion to June eighth. If you want to push it back further, it's up to staff.

    Ron OakleyChair

    And

    Jack Mariano

    more discussion, please.

    Ron OakleyChair

    So I've got a motion to continue this item to June eighth.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    Did you want to say something? I

    Ron OakleyChair

    did.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    I want to speak.

    Ron OakleyChair

    Go ahead and speak before we do that.

    Jack Mariano

    Thank you. Um Commissioner Oakley think you bring up some great points. You get all these homes that come in. No sidewalk in front or no trail alongside it. It's great to make in the contribution. But I don't think that should be opened up until really that sidewalk's in place 'cause all those kids heading up to school, coming back. We're gonna put some safety precautions in there at least until the under construction or even beforehand. Uh I'm of also not comfortable. uh taken the park size down to you know, point nine acres, there's no reason it can't stick at one point two, which is

    our code. Granted they gave us extra right away, but still There's nothing else in for this those kids to do. If you look at the development, there's no. I don't see anything on there anyway. Does anyone? And maybe that's something they can discuss, but those kids need somewhere to play. And not just out going across the school.

    Ron OakleyChair

    Those kids are using the district park is what they end up doing when that's complete across

    County Administrator

    the

    easy.

    Jack Mariano

    But in your own neighborhood we put that park ordinance in for a neighborhood for the kids to be able to stay in the neighborhood and play. And I really like the fact that the Planning Commission actually put some amenities in there as far as to do that. I'd like to see them do that too. Yeah. Yes.

    Christina Fitzpatrick

    brown wooden fence in there. But I know like Carleton Arms d for an example, that black fence I'm just concerned with safety 'cause I know When we had a pond out North of fifty two and the three year old boy had drowned in the pond. So do we have any safety guidelines around ponds and retention ponds?

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    It

    depends on the slope.

    County Administrator

    Depends on the slope. If it's greater than four to one, then yes, you're required to put a fence up.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    These are

    County Administrator

    not.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    So what's the

    Christina Fitzpatrick

    depth

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    on them? They're gentle slopes.

    They're all over Starkey. There's no fences.

    Christina Fitzpatrick

    Well your two year old's not gonna know the difference on the slope. So that's what my concern is.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    There's the you t there's the the there Mike Carbala right there can answer you.

    Mike Carballa

    I apologize. Could you repeat the question please?

    Christina Fitzpatrick

    I'm just concerned about the slow um just basically retention ponds in general and the water safety of kids and drowning, since it is one of the leading cause of deaths in Florida. For children under the age of five.

    Mike Carballa

    So ponds as far as they being adjacent to roads or

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    fences around ponds. What does it required four to one? typically four

    Mike Carballa

    to one slopes,

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    I'm sorry, yes. But if it's less than that, you don't have to put a fence.

    Mike Carballa

    Correct.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    Yeah.

    Christina Fitzpatrick

    But what's the depth of the pond? Just curious.

    Mike Carballa

    Just depends on where the water ends. I mean

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    some ponds never have water. Some uh

    Unidentified speakerVoice I

    Cool. The theory is that if it's less than if it's if the slope is not greater than four to one, that anybody can get back out of the pond once they get into it. That's that's just behind a four to one slope.

    County Administrator

    Yeah, as opposed to a pool where it's a vertical face. Right. It's four to one, you can walk up that. Mm Mr. Chairman

    Mike Moore

    Mariano he made a motion to continue. I don't know if I heard a second yet, but this was one last thing. If this is just for something for the team, the staff. and everybody, you know, that's involved in any type of projects along the Old Pasco Road. There there has to be a point here where m this is my opinion. That we're we need to start requiring some of these developers to put into the pot to widen that road or it's gonna take forever. I know we said that we're gonna have F dot helping, but F dot is

    not spent paying for a hundred percent of widening that road. We have net we have not heard that if Mr. Cabarlo, that's not an agreement, correct? No, not yet. Exactly. So that's an assistant. So we talk about kicking the can down the road. Well y if we're gonna allow projects, this road needs to be widened. It has to happen. Well do they pay

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    impact fee? Do they pay transportation impact fee? Is that where you get the money to widen the road?

    Mike Moore

    Um not isn't afford everything in this

    Mike Carballa

    county.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    Well I'm just saying, where do you get the money to widen the road?

    Mike Carballa

    But you know whether or not they they make the county whole is a different discussion.

    Mike Moore

    Right. But I just you know, again, those roads that road is not safe. You have multiple schools there. This is also the same spot that you have the new um the new um I want to call it a convention, fine arts center, right? As well. Oh yeah. But and and Commissioner Starkey, you brought it up, you brought it many a times, you know, if we're gonna make these roads safe, there's gonna have to be access for these kids that get back and forth. If we're gonna have a community in a quote of a walkable community, then it you know, that needs to be thought about. Yeah

    but my my heads

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    up was kinda to the planning staff that you you I mean they need they need to be looking at that.

    Mike Moore

    Right, right.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    That grid has to be in place and people everyone needs to know where it is.

    Mike Moore

    But drive on fifty f drive on fifty four in Old Pasco and see how much trouff it's coming out there now and see where it's going.

    Christina Fitzpatrick

    Don't the impact fee also go to parks?

    Unidentified speakerVoice I

    There are different impact fee for transportation and for parks. And for libraries.

    Christina Fitzpatrick

    Yeah.

    Unidentified speakerVoice I

    and for fire stations.

    The party its own impact fee. Right there.

    Jack Mariano

    Mr. Marron. Thank you, Mr. Chairman Mariano brings up another good point as far as all the development coming in. It's closed now. May maybe there should be a what they used to have a proportionate chair. Folks?

    Unidentified speakerVoice J

    For kids. For little kids. Oh yeah.

    Jack Mariano

    I wanna make sure you guys hear this.

    Ron OakleyChair

    Oh

    Jack Mariano

    You you know, know, Commissioner Commissioner Morey, I think you bring up a good point. Development coming in, we used to to have certain things would make them do a pipeline project, contr consider a proportionate share on top of what the impact fees would be.

    Unidentified speakerVoice I

    And

    Jack Mariano

    I think on this roadway, maybe we should be taking a look at that and that can be part of the discussion when it comes up.

    Unidentified speakerVoice I

    Except the legislature has taken away your ability to do that. That's why we don't do proportionate share anymore.

    Ron OakleyChair

    Okay. Yeah. Okay. Your motion still stands.

    Unidentified speakerVoice I

    Yeah.

    Ron OakleyChair

    Date city. One thirty.

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    Well Second. I've

    Ron OakleyChair

    got

    Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

    a second. Okay, but okay, under discussion. Let me ask you something. Uh if this were to go through Then How long would it be and I don't know if the applicant can even answer this, how long would it be before anyone moved in here?

    Yeah. Two years. Yeah, two years.

    Mike Moore

    Yeah. Yeah, well let's just find out l give 'em the opportunity and you know to Let's find out some of the

    Ron OakleyChair

    if staff will do some research also and bring it back to us on this item when we come back to Aid City. Also uh

    look at some of the information that we need on when that road will be improved. and and the possibility of trails, bring that back to us at the same time. So I think that'll help everyone concerned. So Okay. All right, I got a motion to second. All those in favor?

    Christina Fitzpatrick

    Thanks.

    Ron OakleyChair

    Bye. All opposed, like sign? Motion passed, five zero.

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    Board of County CommissionersP84Public hearingWithdrawn
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    Approved Staff’s recommendation including the noted withdrawal of the request of the size variation for the neighborhood park and noted amendment for there to be no fence unless it was required by the Land Development Code and the noted amendment to add that each home would have at least one tree in front of it that was not a queen palm by a roll call vote.

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