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PDD-22-7557

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2 appearances between Apr 21, 2022 and May 17, 2022, at 2 boards.

OutcomeApproved by the Board of County Commissioners on May 17, 2022
Approved Staff’s recommendation including the installation of fire hydrants as discussed.

Official title

Zoning Amendment (Consent) – Aprile CC-MPUD Connected City Master Planned Unit Development – Jimmy V Aprile II Family Limited Partnership LTD, Withlacoochee River Electric Cooperative, Inc. – A Rezoning Request from an A-C Agricultural Zoning District to a CC-MPUD Connected City Master Planned Unit Development District to Allow the Development of a Maximum of 106,286 Square Feet of Office on a Minimum of 4 Acres, and 525 Residential Dwelling Units – Total Project Area Approximately 158.05 Acres.

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    Planning CommissionPC3Public hearingApproved
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    Approved the item per Staff’s recommendation.

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    Denise

    Thank you. I think you're moving on now to P C three, if I'm not mistaken.

    Bayonet Point

    Right there.

    Unidentified speakerVoice A

    Good afternoon everybody. Tammy Steiner Planning and Development.

    All right, PC three is April C C M P D, P D D twenty two, seventy-five, fifty-seven. Here's a location map. That's Elam Road to the south of it. That's King Lake up in the uh northeast corner. Proposed as a rezoning request from an AC agricultural district to a C C M P U D connected city master planned unit development district to allow the development of a maximum of one hundred sixty two hundred eighty city. 6,000

    square feet of office uses on a minimum of four acres and 525 residential dwelling units within a total project area of 158 acres. The dwelling units may consist of a mix of single-family, detached, attached, and/or multi-family courtyard houses or row houses, townhouses. It says no garden style apartment. But that has been updated since this was created, so they may possibly keep that as

    an option. The applicant is also seeking variations from the Land Development Code, Section 901.6.D.10, street design and dedication. It requires all dead-end streets to provide a cul-de-sac. The applicant is requesting a waiver from this requirement for dead-end streets less than 150 feet in length. And LDC section 805.6, restrictions on post-development wetlands and upland buffers within residential lots and non-residential parcels. It requires a

    mandatory HOA or CDD. Uh the applicant is requesting a waiver only for the multifamily and non-residential portions under single ownership. Nine oh one point six point D point ten staff analysis says as the fire marshal's concern is for life safety and has made the determination that dead end streets less than one hundred and fifty feet are acceptable without a cul de sac. Staff understands that the fire marshal's determinations allow determination allows for said variation. And

    805.6. Staff is amenable to allowing this request as it pertains to the multifamily and non-residential areas only if they are under single ownership. If the areas are not under single ownership, then the standard HOA and C D D condition applies. And here is their master plan showing the mix of residential going on down to the uh commercial and office down by Elam. The subject site is currently vacant and has primarily been used for agricultural

    pursuits. A twelve point eighteen acre portion of the MPUD area is currently owned by with Cuchi River Electric Cooperative. The project area is in the central market area but outside of an urban service or rural area. And in Connecticut City, there are currently 192 single-family detached entitlements remaining. The April ECC MPUD allows for 525 residential units subject to a loom for unit types with a maximum of 192

    single-family detached permitted project-wide.

    And the proposed project is within the community hub special planning area of Connected City and as such is required to have a medium density. And this MPUD is proposing 3.6 dwelling units per acre, which does fall in the medium density standards. And LDC section 402.2.8 specifies that variations from the code may be reviewed and approved by the PC and BCC during the public hearings. Um and variations shall be allowed where the BCC specifically finds

    that in the particular case the proposed variations meet or exceed the intent of the code, and staff has reviewed the requested variations and find that they do meet the intent. As noted above. The proposed request is consistent with the PASCO L D C Chapter 400, Subsection 402.2 zoning amendment. uh and PUD and with the applicable provisions of the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan. And with that, the PDD recommends approval to the BCC with conditions.

    GreyChair

    Okay.

    Unidentified speakerVoice B

    Any questions? Yes sir. So if you go back to number three of findings of fact. I have a question about that.

    Chris Williams

    Well,

    Unidentified speakerVoice B

    While you're getting it. There we go. So I was a little taken aback by that and maybe I'm not understanding that correctly. That says there's only a hundred and ninety two single family detached entitlements remaining in Connected City.

    Unidentified speakerVoice A

    Correct.

    Unidentified speakerVoice B

    So does that mean that? Epperson Ranch and Maraudha have all consumed All the single family detached entitlements remaining. So anybody else coming in, there's

    Unidentified speakerVoice A

    Uh Prilly's gonna take the last. Would you like to speak? I would love to speak to you. Oh right, thank you.

    Saez

    I think some other people may have some some questions about this as well. Uh Brad tip in planning and development. Uh Connected City, as you know, has a little bit of a different plan. Those special planning areas are revolving around density. This particular area is medium density. The remaining areas that aren't developed at this time are high density. So there's really not an ability to generate the required density in those areas with using a single family detached product. So that's why most of it has been taken by those people that owned those areas that were in those other planning areas that were

    lower density. So that's why it's maxed out at 192 that they have left. Depending on the mix that they are able to get when they get to the design phase, it may be a combination of other types of elements that are different types of attached housing, multifamily, things of that nature to create that density. Does

    Unidentified speakerVoice B

    that

    Saez

    make

    Unidentified speakerVoice B

    sense? In in other projects besides I'm talking about

    Saez

    within the connected city boundary. Yes, this is within the the entirety of the connected city boundary.

    Christopher Poole

    Okay.

    Saez

    Mr. Chairman

    Christopher Poole

    Mariano? Is that what the what the proposal is?

    Saez

    There

    is

    no requirement. Uh but the the main issue with Connected City in that regard is that there is a minimum. Connected city unlike other areas, other areas have maximum densities that are allowed. Connected city has some minimums that are required. So to reach certain minimum densities, which most of the area that's available right now that's being developed uh are a minimum of medium density. Uh so it's very difficult to get medium density with a detached product. Uh you have to go to a, you know, it would be a forty foot lot at best if you have a mix with some uh townhomes and

    things like that in there as well to kind of up that density.

    GirardiVice Chair

    Okay. Okay,

    any other questions?

    Mr. Chairman M just as a housekeeping item though I think we received two emails Um if you could get a motion to receive and file these on the side. So

    Unidentified speakerVoice C

    motion to receive and file.

    GreyChair

    Have a second. But discussion all in favor signify by saying aye. Aye.

    GirardiVice Chair

    Does the clerk have a copy of the emails on Okay, thank you.

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    Here we go. Thank you. Uh Mr. Chairman, Clark Hobby, Hobby and Hobby PA 109 North Brush Street, Tampa, Florida, have been sworn. Here on behalf of the applicants on the site, as you heard from staff, this site is located in Connected City in what's called the community hub zone. Uh and for your benefit to put a little finer point on it than what staff mentioned. Uh you all unver invariably are very much aware of the development in Murata and Epperson. Those are located

    in other areas of Connected City that specifically allow for a lower density of development. This is in the medium density area. Um the community hub comp plan require uh requirements require that it meet the medium density. Medium density. The overall intent of the community hub is to create mixed-use projects that could create a blend of employment and mixed-use housing opportunities. Um in discussions with

    staff over the last year or show, um as we go from over on Curly at the lowest density and moving to the west We are approaching the uh business core zone and staff thinks that the best planning objectives are not only to phase out uh having single family as was mentioned, but to get to a higher density as you approach that area because if you don't know the business core zone, which is kind of the southern area of Pasco Town Center, that's going to be a very intense

    and dense form of development. Down in that area. So staff wants to make sure these areas are working together. In this case, we took all the governing docs from Connected City and all the input from staff, reviewed the comprehensive plan policies and the financial plan and made sure we were consistent with all of those. And some of the things we're doing here is we're building the first segment of Kenton Road. We're having to acquire right away from uh third parties for it and we're dedicating right away. Um we're

    going to be redesigning the intersection of Elam Road and Kenton Road to address an existing offset that staff identified. Uh that's a fairly extensive amount of work and background work that's had to go into making that happen. Um and then we know, and you're I think gonna hear from you know maybe one of the neighbors, you know, having grown up in Dade City, I fully realize this is a very rural area traditionally. And so we knew this was gonna be one of the sites that our neighbors

    would be very concerned about, the form of development and changes over time. So we've had a series of meetings with them, and my client literally has spent the better part of the last week out there meeting with our clients and trying to make everyone happy. And we've we have a series of private agreements with them that uh relate to trees that we're gonna save on our property line that provide nice buffering for them, uh, some additional tree mitigation that we're gonna do on our site, and then some landscaping. That we're doing for our neighbors. The upshot

    of all that is that we received, and I'll give these to the clerk in just a minute, w we have letters of no objection from eight of the ten neighbors that are directly across Kenton Roads. I think we've done a really nice job of making sure we're being good stewards and good neighbors. neighbors. Um then just a couple of other things. Martin, do you want to go ahead and provide these?

    Unidentified speakerVoice B

    Do you have have a motion? Motion to receive and file. Second.

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    All in favor? Aye.

    Unidentified speakerVoice B

    Aye.

    Unidentified speakerVoice C

    Okay.

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    Just a couple of other things here. Um we are as staff noted providing a service ready site at the corner of Elam and Kenton and we're working with our neighborhood. uh the Woodlaco Widlacoochie River Electric Cooperative on that and we anticipate having a really nice use there. We've got some intel from from them about what's probably gonna go there and I think everyone will be happy about the job creating uses there. We've also given extensive thought to the cross connections with the MPUDs.

    The MPUD that's directly to our east and southeast. We have a lot of interconnections between that and the various parcels on our site. to ensure that the connected and connected city is being met. Um the result of all this is we have a really nice mixed use development with great interconnectivity, employment, and housing options. So I think we're hitting all the requirements of Connected City. Uh appreciate your support and I'm here to answer any questions you may have.

    GreyChair

    Okay.

    All right. Thank you, Clerk. Any questions from the audience?

    Denise

    We do have someone signed up to speak, Michael Pol Polterac.

    GreyChair

    Okay.

    Michael Pultoric

    And that is me, but can I ask a or just point of information? Yeah. Because I am a our president.

    GreyChair

    Yeah,

    Michael Pultoric

    I want you to just come on up. We'll Michael Pultoric, [address removed]. I am on one of the adjacent properties. Um Just uh Maybe for clarification for Mr. Williams, we have been um notified or the public um Uh information that's come to us about the project across the street with DR Horton is supposed to be two hundred and seventy-seven. Single family residentials. So that number would exceed the hundred and ninety-two.

    I don't know how that all plays into the mix. So that is a question I have for you. Um When you Bayonet Point. Uh Is now okay to start public comment?

    GreyChair

    Yeah, you you've been sworn, right? Thank

    Michael Pultoric

    you sir. I am you give your name and address please. Yes sir, Michael Pultorek, [address removed]. I'm one of the adjacent property owners. It's King Lake Ranch. Shockingly, I'm not gonna be here to oppose the project. Um it I am pro growth, I am pro responsible growth, I am pro responsible development, and that's all that I ask you to take into consideration here. This is the aerial view of King Lake, which is on the east side of this project and

    also in my backyard. All right. Can you go forward a slide, please? Here's the issue that I'd like to bring to your um Attention. This is the from Pasco County's GIS base map. This is the two thousand nine map. And I have the uh slides with the satellite pictures moving forward. to show the lake level. The issue we're having with this project is not that it's coming. Growth is coming. The problem is since 2009 the water level

    was up almost eight feet. my four foot cattle fences are completely underwater. during the rainy season, and the best I can do during the dry season is see the tops of 'em. We used to have land that exceeded about two hundred and fifty feet past those actual cattle fence and I have lost over seven hundred feet of land linear since two thousand nine. A couple of points I'd like to uh share with you is In two

    thousand nine there was three outlets for this lake, is my understanding, from all of the uh current residents. There was an outlet to the north that went towards Mara, it went across Tyndall Road, or McKendry, I apologize. There was an outlet on the south that went across Elam towards Epperson. and there was an outlet on the west that goes across Kenton Road at approximately [address removed], and those were the three outlets for the lake to get out. In 2009 when this picture was taken, and

    I actually have the Google satellite image from 2009. It was approved to move land on the north side of the lake, which prevented the water flow to the north towards the Murata wetlands.

    GreyChair

    Go ahead.

    Michael Pultoric

    Thank you. On the south side of the lake with the Upper Sun development, it also

    Overflow of the lake on the south side of Elam, which has left over one only one overflow point for the entire lake. That's across Kenton Road. If You guys talked to s to uh streets or roads and streets. They have rebuilt our road continuously because the lake overflows through our backyards and across the street. We are on the verge of living in the hundred-year flood zone around our homes. So we don't have an issue with I don't have an issue with the development

    and the growth. The problem is With the development that's being um applied for If twenty-five acres is covered with hard surface, that's one point two million square feet that's gonna shed water. and naturally will go into our major waterway here. And the problem is That flood the elevation level of the water has created a situation where flooding is so prevalent everywhere on the east side of Kenton

    Road that with the continued development down Kenton Road on the west side with the potential D. R. Horton project, that will dam off that side of the road. It's a floodplain currently. So what I would like to ask the members to consider is with a Development plan. The stormwater and reclaimed water facility is straight across the road, straight across Elam on the south side of this project. if we could get you to work with us to help

    us establish a base or maximum elevation level for the water in this lake I would like to propose to you to do an overflow that would prevent the lake from flooding us all out and it could be taken straight through this property to your facility that's already in place And the important part about this is I'm pro-development, I'm pro-growth, but please don't do it on the backs of the current

    residents and property owners that are trying to keep this as our homesteads and provide agricultural supplies and services and resources for the entire area. We produce beef. Chicken, eggs, you name it. CSA Gardens. That's gonna be the heart of this connected city. It's in my plan that we will actually have a farm in the middle of this connected city to help with the entire area. The issue

    is we are having our land stolen away from us because of the developments. So if you would please consider working with us to help us control the lake level and give us our land back for my cattle and for our efforts. It would B amazing. We don't have a problem with the development. Thank you so much for allowing me to go over my time.

    GreyChair

    Okay. Thank you for coming.

    Michael Pultoric

    What question? I have a question.

    Unidentified speakerVoice B

    So how long how long have you lived there? We've lived there for almost two years. Okay. And the reason I ask and and maybe an engineer or somebody can comment, but I live on a lake not far from here and in two thousand nine ten eleven, it was very dry. to the lake I live on, th there was a lot more land. Now the water's come back. And so there are those cycles. So I don't I don't know. Again, I'd wan I appreciate your perspective. I don't know if

    the reason that the water has come back is not necessarily because there's something been done or whether it's just a cycle of Of nature and more water in the area, et cetera. So that I just throw that out.

    Michael Pultoric

    Could I uh answer that with some satellite images and the rainfall? Historical. Well again, I I I

    Unidentified speakerVoice B

    I I don't wanna c I don't wanna just reviewing the satellite images for my lake. Yes, sir. And it coincides that in two thousand nine, ten, eleven mine was very dry. You're saying this was far lower, now it's come back, mine's a lot higher than it used to be. Yes,

    Michael Pultoric

    in the electronic document that's been provided for record, there is the historical rainfall which shows that from oh nine until seventeen there was no variation in rain. Okay it's the same rain every year and the water level just mira miraculously continued to go up and go up with all of the moving of dirt. But in this file it has that as well. And from oh nine to seventeen there was no increase in annual rainfall.

    GreyChair

    Okay.

    Michael Pultoric

    Thank you. Thank you.

    GreyChair

    I can just tell you from my experience because um familiar with the Barthel uh property out there. There are eight thousand acres. And uh They experienced the same thing you did. They rigged the lake. Went down to almost nothing. Yeah. And now it's back. But it'll go down again. That's

    Unidentified speakerVoice B

    right. It's it's a cycle uh

    GreyChair

    cyc cyclic thing, but Um I mean again we do have to Clark, do you uh would you like to respond your

    Barry Bailey

    I think you may have one did you have a

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    question on the Map X.

    Unidentified speakerVoice E

    No, that person is for another item.

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    Mr. Chairman Mariano again. I'll be extremely brief. I think what you heard was not so much any objection to our development, but concerns about the lake levels out there. I have Jordan Schrader here with me and we will meet with a neighbor. Um I can say uh we're not building Kenton Road all the way up to where this neighbor lives. They live a good little bit up from us, and Jordan thinks that there may be need to be a new outfall when Kenton Road is built and it may help with some of that, but obviously we can't dewater

    King Lake either. But we will meet with the gentleman uh when we leave here today and try to ad address his questions as best we can.

    GreyChair

    Yeah, I think it's important that we, you know, w try to help Wherever we can. I know you always do that. So

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    Well one other thing I should say. I're if we see something and the county can help us address it as part of the work we do at Elam and Kenton, I g you know, we could address it then something. All right. Yes, sir.

    Unidentified speakerVoice B

    So I don't know if this is the other question that was asked and I don't know if this is for you or staff, but the the the comment about the D R. Horton two hundred plus units, is that is that Do you know if that's part or Brad looks

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    like he's

    a good idea?

    I I I would say I I mean have a little bit of involvement there. And my understanding is I think there may be a different plan of development uh for that project now uh that's more in line with what staff is saying about the level of density that needs to occur there. I think the gentleman might have heard something from uh about a year and a half ago.

    Unidentified speakerVoice B

    Uh okay, thank you.

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    Okay.

    GirardiVice Chair

    Um can Clark, can you address the two do you have these emails we got? Um

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    well I think one of them was from Mr. Singletary and it was mainly just about he was hoping the site could stay more rural in nature. Uh we that was one of the neighbors we met with and I specifically uh provided some things for our neighbors about tree saves and tree mitigation to address his concerns, but I don't really

    GirardiVice Chair

    email says substantially the same thing that they wanted to stay rural. Yeah.

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    I think that's uh I think that's his neighbor directly to the north. We've met with them and again uh the I think the uh one email came from one of the E.K.I.S. family members. They've lived there for about forty-five years. And again, it's this is one of these situations where Connected City was adopted some years ago. It was a legislative change from the state and the county's implementing it and this area. area's not going to stay rural. uh much longer. It's just not going to. So what we're trying to do is be a good neighbor and provide

    good buffering where we can to fulfill the connected city goals while not overwhelming our neighbors.

    GirardiVice Chair

    Can I just have stu uh planning stop? But do you remember whether we We n when we adopted Connected City, didn't we notify all the residents? About what was happening there?

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    David, y you did and uh the neighbors ha uh I would say most of them have told us in meetings that we've had. We've had a series of meetings with them and they acknowledge that. Um some of them were just really hoping the area would stay more rural. I mean, and they kind of readily acknowledge that. I mean Ernie met with him and Ernie came out and met with him with us, you know, a month or so ago. So he's and he can speak to that if he'd

    GirardiVice Chair

    like

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    to.

    GirardiVice Chair

    I I guess in my opinion the horses sort of left the barn on keeping this area rural when we adopted Connected City. That's pretty much what Ernie told them when that went.

    GreyChair

    Yeah, I think um For anybody who's arrived later, like in the la like you Like the other gentleman said, he's been there for two years. You know that He may not have known that, may not have been familiar with that. Of course it's not your fault, but Hum.

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    Okay, thank you.

    GreyChair

    Okay, thank you.

    Ernie Monaco

    Um pretty modern especially districts manager. Yes, I was present on many of these neighborhood meetings a few years ago. There was a large turnout. Um they worked on the plans as well. The problem when you move in and you don't know about these things, uh we do put all the paper, all the enabling documents are on the website. Um and so anyone when you're buying a property, hopefully the realtors will realize and tell their clients this is in Connected City and there are special rules and regulations of that. Again that's what we do. We want to try to make be very transparent as we can be.

    GreyChair

    Thank you.

    Saez

    I just wanted to clarify a little bit on that too. The gentleman that spoke of the single family homes, uh, he may have been speaking to an old plan like uh Clark had mentioned, uh, but also the term single family tends to be generic. Uh there's different types of single family, there's attached and detached. So the single family attached product gets us closer to the density. So they may have been looking at a single family attached product. uh or a combination of detached and attached to get to that density. That's why they could have a higher number than the actual single family detached uh that's designated in Connected City. Thank

    you.

    GreyChair

    All right.

    Um anything else? Any other questions up here? Not they are motion. So moved. A second. We have a motion to approve the application as submitted. Is there any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed, like sign. Okay, and my should carry us.

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    Board of County CommissionersP75Public hearingApproved

    Zoning Amendment (Consent) (Regular) – Aprile CC-MPUD Connected … Area Approximately 158.05 Acres.

    Approved minutes

    Approved Staff’s recommendation including the installation of fire hydrants as discussed.

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    Oakley

    Item P seventy five was published in the Tampay Times on April sixth, twenty twenty two.

    Unidentified speakerVoice A

    Good afternoon, everybody. Tammy Snyder, Planning and Development Department. We have the Aprilly CC MPUD, PDD 227557. And here's the location map that is Elam Road to the south of it, Kenton to the west. Proposes a rezoning from AC Agricultural Zoning District to a CC MPUD, Connected City Master Plan Unit Development District, to allow the development of a maximum of 106, 286,000

    square feet of office uses on a minimum of four acres and 525 residential dwelling units within a total project area of 158 acres. The dwelling units consist of a

    And the applicant is also seeking variations from the Land Development Code, Section 901.6.d.10, street design and dedication, which requires all dead-end streets to provide a cul-de-sac, and the applicant is requesting a waiver from this requirement for dead-end streets that are less than 150 feet in length. And LDC section 805.6 restrictions on post-development wetlands and upland buffers within residential lots and non-residential parcels. It requires a mandatory association or

    CDD and the applicant is requesting a waiver for the multifamily and the non-residential portions under single ownership. Staff analysis is that 901.6.10. The fire marshal's concern for life safety. He has made the determination that dead-end streets less than 150 feet are acceptable without a cul-de-sac. And staff understands that the fire marshal's determination does allow for this variation. 805.6 staff is

    amenable to allowing the request as it only pertains to the multiple. family and non-residentials if they are under single ownership. If the areas are not under single ownership, then the standard association C D condition still applies. Here's the master plan.

    The subject site is currently vacant, has primarily been used for agricultural pursuits, and a twelve point eighteen acre portion of the MP is currently owned by Withacoochie River Electric Cooperative. The project areas in the central market area and outside of any urban service or rural areas. In Connected City, there are 192 single-family detached entitlements remaining, and the April ECC MPUD allows for 525 residential units subject to

    the land use equivalency matrix for unit types with a maximum of 192 single-family detached permitted project-wide. The proposed area is within the community hub special planning area of the connected city. And as such, it's required to have a medium density residential area. The proposed density of the residential portion of April is 3.6 dwelling units per acre, which falls in the medium standard. The LDC section 402.2.C.8

    specifies that variations from this code may be reviewed and approved by the PC and BCC during the public hearing held on any application for the MPUD zoning amendment. Variations shall be allowed where the BCC specifically finds in this particular case that the proposed variations meet or exceed the intent of the code. Staff has reviewed the requested variations and find that they do meet the intent as noted above. The proposed request is consistent with the L D C Chapter 400 Subsection 402.2 zoning

    amendment and PUD and with the applicable provisions of the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan. And with that the recommendation is approval with conditions.

    StarkeyChair

    Okay, uh here's the applicant and I have some questions, but we'll let him do his presentation.

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    Madam Chair, Clark Hobby, Hubby and Hobby PA 109 North Brest Street, Tampa, Florida, have been sworn. Here on behalf of the applicant, as staff noted, this is when within the community hub zone of Connected City. Staff and the board have planned for this area to transition from what has been a historically rural area to a medium density area. Within the community hub area, the lower densities and more suburban form of development are to be

    located over along the Curley area and the Epperson area. And then we're transitioning over as you get through this area and move west into the business core area, which will have the highest intensity and highest density. Because our client knew that this was Going to be a bit of a sea change for some of the residents that are out in the area. We've worked extremely hard with the neighbors, and we've made a series of private concessions to them to provide for additional landscaping,

    tree saves, tree mitigation, and so we're providing a good buffer for those folks. And as a result of that, we have 10 neighbors directly across the existing dirt road that is Kenton Road. Road, we'll be building the first stretch of the New Kenton Road, which will be a ultimately an arterial roadway. But we have the consent and letters of no objection from eight of the ten neighbors across the street. And I'd like to introduce this into the record and give it to the clerk. Let's receive a file.

    StarkeyChair

    Second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Thank you.

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    Uh again, as staff pointed out, it's a nice mixed use project. We're working with Widlacuche River Electric Cooperative, and we're gonna have a service ready site acreage site that they're going to develop at Elam and Kenton. Then we'll have, you know, a mixture of single family and what Connected City calls multifamily, which is a combination of row houses, as you noted, uh uh horizontal uh multifamily kind of stuff. transitioning down to that. So I'm happy to answer any

    other questions that the Board might have. I think we may have one person here to speak from the public about something related.

    MarianoVice Chair

    Commissioner Mariano? Um you know I met with Mr. Hobby a little bit ago on this. Um I hadn't seen the uh L D I have a car member like the request to remove the cul de sacs. Really if I don't know if I'm comfortable with that. Um if you're gonna have a smaller little road and it's gonna dead end if it's multifamily, you could have kids out there playing, et cetera. If you have cars that got to do a three-point turn go going back out, I don't know, we would probably structure your garbage trucks. I mean it's

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    Let me have c uh Jordan Schrader address that 'cause that's in a technical area that he knows a lot more about than I do, Commissioner Mariano.

    Andy

    Good afternoon, members of the board. Jordan Trader, 3010, West Azile, Tampa, Florida, 33609. I have been sworn. This alternative variation, we're actually putting in all MPUDs. It's just a simple LDC cleanup. If you look at a residential subdivision, there's cul-de-sac where it's longer than 150. There's often little dead-end streets that are 100 feet or so where that road ends, and there are two houses on it. It's standard practice across the state of Florida. We do it in all areas. Our LDC says all roads have to end in a cul-de-sac. staff and Brad, you can jump in here. Everybody's

    agreed we just need to clean up the code. We just all we need to do is clean up the code where roads are one twenty, which is very common, that there's no cul-de-sac there. And it's it's traditional form, it's very common. It allows that gritty, you know, layout that we want in So we are asking for this on every MPD. Staff is gonna be working with a an LDC cleanup item just so that we don't have to ask staff for an alt standard later. We wrap into every MPD that comes in now.

    StarkeyChair

    So how so how long how long is the street that is it doesn't have to have a cul de sac?

    Andy

    Less than one fifty from the easement.

    StarkeyChair

    What is that m how many homes are on a street like that? Usually two.

    MarianoVice Chair

    No about traffic. Just think about how the the look of it. I mean I in in in Trinity I've been down a minute just like it's It's weird.

    StarkeyChair

    Well I I don't even like cul de sac, so I live on one but I think everything should be connected when possible.

    Unidentified speakerVoice F

    Good afternoon, yes. Uh connections wherever possible. Uh tip in planning and development. Uh to answer your question, this is one of those situations where the actual distance is is fairly short uh comparatively speaking. Uh but what happens is if you if you try to put a cul-de-sac on an end of that street, you end up cutting pretty significantly into the private landownership. uh because of the radii that are necessary to be able to go around and do some turns on the streets. So the the amount of room that's necessary for a cul-de-sac versus just having two homes

    that are touching there uh it it the math just really doesn't work out. Uh the fire department has consistently told us, the fire marshal's consistently said they're okay uh with that distance, that that's not a safety issue in their eyes. Uh and we've made this uh Basic change on most of the MPUDs that we've had that have come in and asked for it.

    MarianoVice Chair

    So these are the s single family homes are gonna have the cul-de-sac?

    Unidentified speakerVoice F

    Uh

    Andy

    is that what's Correct. We're actually this this alternative variation standard we're submitting on every single project and everything. And it there we handle it on the the PDP construction plan side of it. We wrap it into the zoning to save Brad's people the paperwork and processing that comes with that on every single time. We're being proactive for it. It would be for single family or most commonly in a townhome or a horizontal. Build for rent residential style. Where those two roads intersect. And it's never warranted for a cul de sac.

    MarianoVice Chair

    So if you got someone Amazon coming in to deliver the truck If they can't get in the driveway they've got to make a spin move. What about like a waste truck that's gotta come in?

    Andy

    The waste trucks there so the last driveway there's always enough room for them to do their movements and turn around and I can tell you from the ten thousand lots that we've done recently in Pasco, Solid Waste turns off on all of them. They haven't had a burner issues. Solid waste has been able to serve without any issue. Um Th the the stubs are very short. They're very common and it's not long enough to wear Um you'd ever have free flow traffic interfering with kids that would want to be off kicking the soccer ball or anything.

    MarianoVice Chair

    But if you can have two homes at the end. You're gonna have one home could put it close to the Edge of the roadway. The other one's gonna be in. So the t dump truck's gotta go in there and get it somehow. Correct. And then you gotta back up to get out.

    Andy

    Correct. Or use the driver turnaround.

    Uh Suspect, okay.

    StarkeyChair

    Um so I have a question. Does anyone else have a question? Um and I'm trying to f figure it out here. And I know we talked about bike trails or multi-use paths, if we want to call them that. And um We mentioned that there's a two foot Uh that the Well I'm trying to figure out from your drawing, so I'm not an engineer. I can't figure out that if there is Yeah. And I get 'em all mixed up 'cause I've had so many meetings. Do we even have a multi use path here? But Um you mentioned that about the

    two feet and I went back to my planning staff and that two feet is a minimum. And I'm talking about placing the multi use path against the road. So in my opinion We should only be using the two foot minimum when there's constrictions from a wetland that keeps you from touching it. Otherwise, we gotta get better about taking these further away. From the road. Um a couple that got hit by a car and killed on tarpon.

    Um We can't landscape it, we can't it's just not good to smash it up against the road. It's just a glorified sidewalk. So I have a question about the tr the multi-use path If there is one on this road. Well

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    Jordan can address but just so you know, there are adopted cross sections in the comp plan for Connected City that we have to follow. So if the board wants us to do something other than that and projects going forward, the cross section would have to change in the comp plan.

    Andy

    So but Jordan can explain the cross section. Jordan Trader, first off I'd like to thank Commissioner Starkey for ten years you've been calling me up here to ask about meandering sidewalks and we appreciate your consistency.

    So Commissioner Starkey, this project includes the first extension of Kenton Road which goes from Elam North to Road B on that site plan. The c the cross sections for that were we are f we're adopted to work with the connected cities cross sections. What it is is the interim condition has a dedicated six foot multipurpose lane that is actually inside the curb. When the road gets and it's art it's part of the master plan.

    StarkeyChair

    We really messed up On that approval. Because who's gonna let their kids ride on the street?

    Andy

    The ultimate build-out, which is a four-lane section, then Brad, you may want to speak to the planning team that put together Connected Cities. Once it's a four-lane road, they want to see pedestrians and cyclists move outside the travel lane into a dedicated multi-purpose path. That's what happens when that road gets four-laned. The interim condition for the two-lane section that has a dedicated oversized bike and multipurpose paths, you know, against the travel lane. It's it is we have used these cross sections to negotiate very longly with neighbors to secure the right of way needed. We're living

    and dying by the governing documents for the connected cities in this cross section.

    StarkeyChair

    Okay, so I know in Epperson They have all these trails for golf carts. And everything. So you can get around the community without having to get on the main road, right? Correct. Does this neighborhood have that?

    Andy

    Correct. So and do the commissioners have the MPD master plan maybe in front of them? There's a little graphic. We can pull it up on the screen.

    Unidentified speakerVoice G

    Yeah, the only thing I see in the package is a walk it's it's not a conceptual plan. Right, right.

    Andy

    Okay, so Everybody on the board is obviously familiar. The Epperson project is located east outside the screen here.

    StarkeyChair

    That's

    Andy

    it on the bottom,

    StarkeyChair

    right?

    Andy

    Correct. They're making that's to the right of the screen. So they're making the improvements in Elam. And then this project I need a point, I have a laser point. Right. There we go.

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    Yeah. Okay, solved that. Where's how's it work? Just hold it at it slow. There you go. You see it? Well we can't see that in this direction. Coming and going.

    Andy

    You the red square? At the corner? Correct. That's the intersection of Elam and Kenton Road. And we're building the first segment of Kenton Road to the north. We're also making access improvements on Elam Road. We work really hard with staff. They made sure that we are building the dedicated golf cart lanes in Elam Road along all of our frontage and transitioning and tying into the East Project. So that's

    StarkeyChair

    the bottom along. Right.

    Andy

    So there are three big projects coming in on Elam Road. There's Epperson. further east, then there's the white space on this graphic was a separate MPD called Woodville Palms. They're making their own improvements where they're building that lane and then we're picking up and finishing it from there. So you have a continuous golf cart lane in Elam Road. Now, if we go north on Kenton, which as Clark mentioned earlier, is the major north-south collector road parallel to Curley inside connected cities. In there we're building dedicated golf cart lanes in that collector road. If

    you go north. The first right is called Road A. That is a subdivision collector road where we'll have golf cart lanes and speed slow enough where the golf carts can go into this community and also the residential community to the east, the two blue arrows Our local interconnects that we've added. We were only required one. We have two of those, so there'll be golf cart connections at each of those blue arrows right there. And if you can envision there's a a non-residential hub at the red, interconnected blue arrows there, so that folks with golf carts can go back and forth between these communities. And

    then if they when they get on these north South Road Kenton that's a collector, they're dedicated golf cart lanes for there. So The maximum. Eventually.

    StarkeyChair

    When it goes to four lanes.

    Andy

    No, no, no. In the interim condition in two lanes, we will construct the golf cart lanes. When it goes to four lanes, It becomes four dedicated travel lanes and the county constructs a dedicate a separate dedicated path.

    StarkeyChair

    Okay, I feel better.

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    Any other questions?

    If not, I'll I'll wait for my I think we may have one neighbor that wants to talk about a drainage issue that doesn't necessarily pertain to this, but I'll wait for any additional questions. Thank you.

    StarkeyChair

    Right, thank you. Um Did someone want to come speak on this issue? I have

    Oakley

    Michael um Polterek signed up to speak.

    Michael Pultoric

    Good afternoon, Commissioners. Thank you for the time. Thank you for taking our comments and uh hearing our side of this. Michael Pultoric, [address removed]. We purchased the property in 2025. Yes we have. Okay, thank you. Yes, I have. All right. Um we are an adjacent property to here. We purchased in 2020. We are in the process of building out a small farm right there in the middle of this, which is gonna be amazing because we're still gonna

    be able to show the connected city what some of Pasco looks like. Okay. We are pro responsible growth and we are pro responsible development. Here's one of the issues. The Pasco connected city, some of the development is getting ahead of the infrastructure a little bit too quick. Two examples are fire rescue is Signal 40 continuously because we don't have completed fire stations. And another example is right on McKendry Road, right around the corner from this, and

    in the middle of the connected city, it's a dirt road, two lanes. We now have a commercial ice arena, an ice skating rink on a dirt road that's in its final phase of completion. and there's no paved road to get in or out for any of these people. So We're getting ahead just a little bit and I'd like to uh point out our biggest concern. Could you bring up our

    Bob

    It's saying the file's corrupt.

    Michael Pultoric

    This property is adjacent to King Lake. I have a f yes, sir. Madam Chair, can just pause this time because she's

    Paul Thatcher

    a good thing.

    Michael Pultoric

    Thank you. The majority of this document was actually shown to the Planning Commission as well. So they have seen it as part of um public records. Well it should come up is what you're saying. There's a few slides added from from the last meeting.

    All right. I apologize and I'll try to make it as quickly as I can. I may have to ask for the easement.

    Yeah we have a we have a full PowerPoint presentation that show the actual Lake King Lake that's adjacent to this property.

    Hardib Sini

    Penny for

    Michael Pultoric

    The lake level since oh nine has gone up about seven feet. In the dry period of the season, the dry season of the year. Right now on the rear of our property you can only see the top of our four foot cattle posts. This used to be dry. It was seasonal with rainfall. We've lost seven hundred and fifty linear feet of property out into the lake. at this point, where we're at right now. In this document is also the historical rainfall data to show rain had

    nothing to do what's with what's going on. Historically there was three outflows for this lake. One to the north that became Maraudha, one to the south which became Epperson, and there's one to the west that now continuously overflows across and through Kenton Road every time it rains, even in the dry season. this development may not be the issue at hand, however, What's the right-of-way? in the process of happening is if forty acres of this property is Covered with hard surface,

    we're gonna have over one point seven million square feet. Of Land area that has to shed water somewhere. The natural place with gravity for it to go is into the lake. We are already way too high for a water elevation level. The property across the street from us, which is [address removed], is under contract with D.R. Horton. that is the only place this lake overflows at this point. So one of the hiccups that we're gonna have, and I'm pointing it out right now, because there's an easy solution

    to this, When D R Horton wants to put another three hundred

    Where the outflow for this lake is, they're gonna want to dam up this lake. It's gonna keep the remainder of the water in this lake, which is going to flood out all of the current residents. All the residents on the west side of this lake are already fighting floodwaters as it is.

    Stopped, everybody's gonna be living in our hundred year floodplain as an everyday occurrence. Now where this development is, and you have the map from their presentation, all right, on the southwest corner of this is your stormwater facility. Your stormwater Um

    StarkeyChair

    A reservoir.

    Michael Pultoric

    Reservoir. All right. So they already bring it in and they send out the reclaimed water. We need you to protect your current residents and we need to welcome our new residents, but we can't flood out those of us that are currently here. to allow for more residents as it is.

    StarkeyChair

    Well I I can tell you that Swift Mud won't allow that. They'll they'll have to have a master water plan and they're not allowed to put any water any more water on any of your property. So they'll have to get their permits and it'll all be engineered. And it lots of times I've seen that where that helps neighborhoods.

    Michael Pultoric

    They haven't returned our calls this yet. So

    StarkeyChair

    Well I I my guess

    Michael Pultoric

    is

    StarkeyChair

    when they come back up they'll address

    Michael Pultoric

    that.

    Oh perfect. Could I ask for ninety seconds to just show you what we have? Thank you. Can you go to the next slide? That's the beautiful King Lake. This is the actual satellite view in O nine where you can see what the the top view of our properties look like. Can you go forward one, please? Uh okay, darn it, that's that's the old one from the Planning Commission. If you can flip forward to twenty twenty, it's probably up about six, seven slides, you'll see the lakes the lake has filled in. And Can

    you go forward one more for me? This is the historical rainfall, just so that you can see that between O nine and eighteen, when these satellite images were taken, it wasn't a rain induced situation.

    This is the actual satellite view of how much property we've currently lost. This doesn't take into account any additional land that we're gonna lose with that water level coming up at all. Can you go forward one more for me? Okay. That's There it was a different presentation for today which showed the location of this development, the location of the stormwater facility. They're actually adjacent. You're fixing to put a new road in between. We need help

    setting a max elevation for that lake and so that the stormwater instead of it all going into our backyards can go to a responsible place so that it can go up back out and be used for reclaimed water for our current citizens.

    StarkeyChair

    Right. Thank you. Um and we'll have I'm sure there Well is there anyone else who wants to speak on this issue? Oh, there's another one. And do we have anyone online?

    Oakley

    We have no one on WebEx for this item.

    StarkeyChair

    Would anyone else besides this gentleman like to speak? Okay, this will be a last public comment.

    Philip Singletary

    My name is Philip Singletary. I live at [address removed]. I'm one of the two people who didn't sign their agreement.

    I'm sorry? Sir, have you been? Yes, I have. Thank you. Um Kenton Road on the is a private road on the south end a half a mile. That's where they're gonna put the two entrance ways that we can have access to the New Canton Road. One concern that I have is the only fire hydrant that we have in the whole area is at the very end of the south end. of Kenton Road. Which they're gonna shut off. I've been told that

    they can't keep that road open because you can't have two parallel Rhodes. So That's an issue I have. You can't put a cul de sac down there because they're putting a they're starting a turning lane, they're gonna widen Elam Road. So

    A simple solution to me would be keep the road open. Your mail can come through, the garbage trucks can come through. They've been doing it forever. And that's pretty much what I have to say.

    StarkeyChair

    Thank you.

    All right. Um please come back up and answer the questions and maybe explain how the drainage will work.

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    Sure. Uh this is Clark Hobby again. I'm gonna turn it over to Jordan Schrader because these are technical comments, but I just wanted to point out a couple of things. I think our neighbor who just not Mr. Singletary but the previous neighbor, he actually lives about a quarter of a mile north. He's not immediately adjacent to our shop. And his primary issue is he's worried there's a discharge about a half mile or a mile from our site that historically conveyed water out, might have been blocked by one of the neighbors. We did meet with him after Planning

    Commission. My understanding from county staff is that they're looking into it, maybe an open code enforcement matter that may address his issue. Regardless, I know Jordan. We'll be looking at all these outfall issues as part of the design and permitting of it. Uh and and I'm gonna turn over these other things to Jordan. I just wanna say finally, you know We work really, really hard to take care of our neighbors um and we've done everything we can to transition their existing Dirt Kenton

    Road. to leave as much of it in place for them as they want in the interim condition while giving them a connection to our new road that we're gonna build, which will have all the utilities. So we're building all the infrastructure. I'm gonna let Jordan talk about the fire hydrants. I don't get into that level. But I will say this. I think the board is smart enough to realize you can't have twenty five feet away from one another, uh an arterial runway and another road. That's just safe safety's

    not gonna work. And anyway, for those reasons, uh you know, staff and planning commission un uh unanimously supported this, so we'd ask for your support. I'm gonna turn it over to Jordan now on the technical stuff.

    Andy

    Good afternoon. First I'll speak to the drainage from the neighbor who spoke first. Uh he met with us at Planning Commission. We actually met after and talked to him also. He's correct. There are three points of drainage connection. There they're actually though he said there's three outfalls. There's two there's one inflow and two outflows. There's one inflow into King Lake that comes across from the south, across Elam Road. And then there are two, one from the north and one from the west. And again, he lives a little further to the north, so the one to the west is not i it's not connected to our property. It's further to the north. He mentioned

    there will be another piece of property that's under contract, we believe to be another home builder. When that comes in, I think we can speak to the drainage for that and making sure that they maintain that existing outfall and don't block or uh obviously they're not allowed to to block and hold up King Lake. That there's Uh our codes as well as Swift MUD regulations prohibit that. This neighbor believed there may be some blockage to the outflow to the north. We put him in touch with the right people at Swift Mud, John Powanda and their compliance department. We gave him all his contact information so that with county code enforcement as well as the water management district, they can make sure

    that there have not been any unpermitted drainage impedements to the north. So we've given him all the tools to be able to make sure that those two outfalls are not. As far as our development, we're gonna make sure that we're designed and permitted accordance with ours as well as state regulation to make sure that we don't increase or alter any of the drainage patterns that can.

    StarkeyChair

    So normally normally when people talk about lake levels, I mention um the overpumping and the stopping of overpumping and the lake levels coming up, but I'm not sure in this area that's an issue. It's

    Moore

    been too recent.

    We can't speak from the audience, just nod your head, yes or no. And it's Mr. Polterac, is that correct? Polterac? You stated that um in Obviously thanks for putting them in touch or g getting a hold of jump one, but they never reach back out to you? No? Okay. So Commissioner Oakley's not here. It is his district, but I will tell you this. Um I'll make sure that I work with John Powanda myself. and make sure he meets with you and goes to the site. Yeah. Um I'll call John or I'll call

    the executive director or whatever. Because if you have that issue going on out there on the outflow of wherever that may be, obviously we want to look at that 'cause I thought King Lake was for a while before you even were there. It was getting low, wasn't it? Yeah, it was getting pretty low for a while there. Um I think it was getting too low. It was hurting the f it was hurting the fishing.

    Andy

    At the Planning Commission. Yeah, right. So at the Planning Commission, Chris Williams who lives on Lake Pasadena, Buddy Lake, he brought up he said, Look, I I've lived for a long time and I've seen two thousand nine was a dramatically low year. We've seen it come back up. These lakes are starting to restore. To some of their historical patterns. But people are losing in land for associated if they've come in. So again, as Clark mentioned earlier, we're seeing a transition and a point

    Moore

    they're rolling. Andy, we get with Mr. Is that Mrs. Polterek next

    to you?

    Okay. Mr. and Mrs. Polterek. Andy will get with you. We'll get your information. I'll make sure we make the connection with Swift Mud so they can go to your site, look at what try to see what the issue is. Obviously it's not this site that's causing the issue, but we want to make sure we can try to do what we can to help you figure this out because obviously you'd wanna maintain as much of your property as possible. So

    Andy

    Let me speak to the fire hydrants. So there's an existing water main on the north side of Elam right now. When we build new Kenton Road to the north, we are in compliance with Connected Cities Master Water Plan. It calls for a a obviously new and significant water main on the west side, so most nearly located to the residents of Kenton. We're going to be bringing that brand new water main to the north. We would not otherwise be required to install hydrants in a collector road that didn't have intensities right on it. I think in this case we could make sure that we install fire hydrants on the west side of Kenton Road in proximity to the neighbors to

    the west as a sign of good faith. We can space those in accordance with residential standards so that they now have new hydrants closer to their houses much more than they do today.

    Moore

    Okay. So the we can't I Mr Madam Chair, I don't think we can add that as part of our motion today uh to add the

    Unidentified speakerVoice G

    It's an M P D. You could if you wanted to.

    Andy

    Okay. We're good with it. We don't want fire and we don't want problems. Okay. Mike. Okay.

    StarkeyChair

    All right. So then uh Commissioner Mariano.

    MarianoVice Chair

    Yeah, let me just go back to the cul-de-sac thing. Um and again I have discomfort with it. When I when I when I look at 150 feet, that's about triple the length from where you are to the wall. So if a garbage truck's could come in at four in the morning, six in the morning. Backing up there if some kids out there getting ready to go to school or someone else's cars or just someone's walking there. It's it's a it's a dangerous situation in my opinion. How wide are the roads gonna be?

    Andy

    Standard fifty foot right-of-10 foot travel lane. So there's they're local roads.

    MarianoVice Chair

    So you got ten foot travel lane, so twenty-foot wide, and the truck's gonna take up at least Most of that square footage on half of it. Um Yeah, I I don't know where the demand was to change the cul de sacs. I mean I I like you, Commissioner Starkey, like to see the connections all the way through. But if they're gonna be c if they're gonna be Dead end roads. I I've just never seen anyone that that look comfortable to me where I wouldn't want to live at the end of one of those.

    StarkeyChair

    We don't have the layout, so we can't see the

    Unidentified speakerVoice G

    Jordan, are you Are you hammerheading them?

    Andy

    It would be a hammerhead situation. That's what

    Unidentified speakerVoice G

    it's So that's how that's how the trucks turn around. Is they're hammerheading the So Pick an urban. You're the engineer.

    Andy

    And it's it

    is

    a hammerhead where two roads intersect. It it happens in all urban planning and form. We have a suburban code that we're just trying to get caught up to the urban form that we want in these areas. And I'd love to work directly with you, Commissioner Oriano, as a

    MarianoVice Chair

    Well that's that's a good question.

    StarkeyChair

    It doesn't mean they have to back out.

    Correct.

    MarianoVice Chair

    So you'll set the house back a little bit further

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    Correct.

    MarianoVice Chair

    On the very end. Correct. All right, I'm gonna go with that. Okay. Okay.

    Unidentified speakerVoice D

    So I think we didn't better explain that. Anyway. Thank you. Happy to answer any other questions. Thanks, Chef.

    Moore

    Madam Chairman.

    We'll work we'll work with the with the residents. Um I'll make a motion to approve and add the fire hydrants that we spoke about to the approval.

    Unidentified speaker

    Okay.

    StarkeyChair

    All right. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. Thank you. Thank you. All right, we