Zoning Amendment (Regular) – Aprile CC-MPUD Connected City Master Planned Unit Development – Jimmy V Aprile II Family Limited Partnership LTD, Withlacoochee River Electric Cooperative, Inc. – A Rezoning Request from an A-C Agricultural Zoning District to a CC-MPUD Connected City Master Planned Unit Development District to Allow the Development of a Maximum of 106,286 Square Feet of Office on a Minimum of 4 Acres, and 525 Residential Dwelling Units – Total Project Area Approximately 158.05 Acres.

1:02:38Item P seventy five was published in the Tampay Times on April sixth, twenty twenty two.

1:02:43Good afternoon, everybody. Tammy Snyder, Planning and Development Department. We have the Aprilly CC MPUD, PDD 227557. And here's the location map that is Elam Road to the south of it, Kenton to the west. Proposes a rezoning from AC Agricultural Zoning District to a CC MPUD, Connected City Master Plan Unit Development District, to allow the development of a maximum of 106, 286,000

1:03:13square feet of office uses on a minimum of four acres and 525 residential dwelling units within a total project area of 158 acres. The dwelling units consist of a

1:03:29And the applicant is also seeking variations from the Land Development Code, Section 901.6.d.10, street design and dedication, which requires all dead-end streets to provide a cul-de-sac, and the applicant is requesting a waiver from this requirement for dead-end streets that are less than 150 feet in length. And LDC section 805.6 restrictions on post-development wetlands and upland buffers within residential lots and non-residential parcels. It requires a mandatory association or

1:04:00CDD and the applicant is requesting a waiver for the multifamily and the non-residential portions under single ownership. Staff analysis is that 901.6.10. The fire marshal's concern for life safety. He has made the determination that dead-end streets less than 150 feet are acceptable without a cul-de-sac. And staff understands that the fire marshal's determination does allow for this variation. 805.6 staff is

1:04:30amenable to allowing the request as it only pertains to the multiple. family and non-residentials if they are under single ownership. If the areas are not under single ownership, then the standard association C D condition still applies. Here's the master plan.

1:04:49The subject site is currently vacant, has primarily been used for agricultural pursuits, and a twelve point eighteen acre portion of the MP is currently owned by Withacoochie River Electric Cooperative. The project areas in the central market area and outside of any urban service or rural areas. In Connected City, there are 192 single-family detached entitlements remaining, and the April ECC MPUD allows for 525 residential units subject to

1:05:19the land use equivalency matrix for unit types with a maximum of 192 single-family detached permitted project-wide. The proposed area is within the community hub special planning area of the connected city. And as such, it's required to have a medium density residential area. The proposed density of the residential portion of April is 3.6 dwelling units per acre, which falls in the medium standard. The LDC section 402.2.C.8

1:05:50specifies that variations from this code may be reviewed and approved by the PC and BCC during the public hearing held on any application for the MPUD zoning amendment. Variations shall be allowed where the BCC specifically finds in this particular case that the proposed variations meet or exceed the intent of the code. Staff has reviewed the requested variations and find that they do meet the intent as noted above. The proposed request is consistent with the L D C Chapter 400 Subsection 402.2 zoning

1:06:20amendment and PUD and with the applicable provisions of the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan. And with that the recommendation is approval with conditions.

1:06:33Okay, uh here's the applicant and I have some questions, but we'll let him do his presentation.

1:06:41Madam Chair, Clark Hobby, Hubby and Hobby PA 109 North Brest Street, Tampa, Florida, have been sworn. Here on behalf of the applicant, as staff noted, this is when within the community hub zone of Connected City. Staff and the board have planned for this area to transition from what has been a historically rural area to a medium density area. Within the community hub area, the lower densities and more suburban form of development are to be

1:07:11located over along the Curley area and the Epperson area. And then we're transitioning over as you get through this area and move west into the business core area, which will have the highest intensity and highest density. Because our client knew that this was Going to be a bit of a sea change for some of the residents that are out in the area. We've worked extremely hard with the neighbors, and we've made a series of private concessions to them to provide for additional landscaping,

1:07:41tree saves, tree mitigation, and so we're providing a good buffer for those folks. And as a result of that, we have 10 neighbors directly across the existing dirt road that is Kenton Road. Road, we'll be building the first stretch of the New Kenton Road, which will be a ultimately an arterial roadway. But we have the consent and letters of no objection from eight of the ten neighbors across the street. And I'd like to introduce this into the record and give it to the clerk. Let's receive a file.

1:08:09Second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Thank you.

1:08:14Uh again, as staff pointed out, it's a nice mixed use project. We're working with Widlacuche River Electric Cooperative, and we're gonna have a service ready site acreage site that they're going to develop at Elam and Kenton. Then we'll have, you know, a mixture of single family and what Connected City calls multifamily, which is a combination of row houses, as you noted, uh uh horizontal uh multifamily kind of stuff. transitioning down to that. So I'm happy to answer any

1:08:45other questions that the Board might have. I think we may have one person here to speak from the public about something related.

1:08:51Commissioner Mariano? Um you know I met with Mr. Hobby a little bit ago on this. Um I hadn't seen the uh L D I have a car member like the request to remove the cul de sacs. Really if I don't know if I'm comfortable with that. Um if you're gonna have a smaller little road and it's gonna dead end if it's multifamily, you could have kids out there playing, et cetera. If you have cars that got to do a three-point turn go going back out, I don't know, we would probably structure your garbage trucks. I mean it's

1:09:18Let me have c uh Jordan Schrader address that 'cause that's in a technical area that he knows a lot more about than I do, Commissioner Mariano.

1:09:27Good afternoon, members of the board. Jordan Trader, 3010, West Azile, Tampa, Florida, 33609. I have been sworn. This alternative variation, we're actually putting in all MPUDs. It's just a simple LDC cleanup. If you look at a residential subdivision, there's cul-de-sac where it's longer than 150. There's often little dead-end streets that are 100 feet or so where that road ends, and there are two houses on it. It's standard practice across the state of Florida. We do it in all areas. Our LDC says all roads have to end in a cul-de-sac. staff and Brad, you can jump in here. Everybody's

1:09:58agreed we just need to clean up the code. We just all we need to do is clean up the code where roads are one twenty, which is very common, that there's no cul-de-sac there. And it's it's traditional form, it's very common. It allows that gritty, you know, layout that we want in So we are asking for this on every MPD. Staff is gonna be working with a an LDC cleanup item just so that we don't have to ask staff for an alt standard later. We wrap into every MPD that comes in now.

1:10:26So how so how long how long is the street that is it doesn't have to have a cul de sac?

1:10:30Less than one fifty from the easement.

1:10:32What is that m how many homes are on a street like that? Usually two.

1:10:39No about traffic. Just think about how the the look of it. I mean I in in in Trinity I've been down a minute just like it's It's weird.

1:10:47Well I I don't even like cul de sac, so I live on one but I think everything should be connected when possible.

1:10:54Good afternoon, yes. Uh connections wherever possible. Uh tip in planning and development. Uh to answer your question, this is one of those situations where the actual distance is is fairly short uh comparatively speaking. Uh but what happens is if you if you try to put a cul-de-sac on an end of that street, you end up cutting pretty significantly into the private landownership. uh because of the radii that are necessary to be able to go around and do some turns on the streets. So the the amount of room that's necessary for a cul-de-sac versus just having two homes

1:11:24that are touching there uh it it the math just really doesn't work out. Uh the fire department has consistently told us, the fire marshal's consistently said they're okay uh with that distance, that that's not a safety issue in their eyes. Uh and we've made this uh Basic change on most of the MPUDs that we've had that have come in and asked for it.

1:11:43So these are the s single family homes are gonna have the cul-de-sac?

1:11:47Uh

1:11:48is that what's Correct. We're actually this this alternative variation standard we're submitting on every single project and everything. And it there we handle it on the the PDP construction plan side of it. We wrap it into the zoning to save Brad's people the paperwork and processing that comes with that on every single time. We're being proactive for it. It would be for single family or most commonly in a townhome or a horizontal. Build for rent residential style. Where those two roads intersect. And it's never warranted for a cul de sac.

1:12:18So if you got someone Amazon coming in to deliver the truck If they can't get in the driveway they've got to make a spin move. What about like a waste truck that's gotta come in?

1:12:26The waste trucks there so the last driveway there's always enough room for them to do their movements and turn around and I can tell you from the ten thousand lots that we've done recently in Pasco, Solid Waste turns off on all of them. They haven't had a burner issues. Solid waste has been able to serve without any issue. Um Th the the stubs are very short. They're very common and it's not long enough to wear Um you'd ever have free flow traffic interfering with kids that would want to be off kicking the soccer ball or anything.

1:12:51But if you can have two homes at the end. You're gonna have one home could put it close to the Edge of the roadway. The other one's gonna be in. So the t dump truck's gotta go in there and get it somehow. Correct. And then you gotta back up to get out.

1:13:03Correct. Or use the driver turnaround.

1:13:07Uh Suspect, okay.

1:13:11Um so I have a question. Does anyone else have a question? Um and I'm trying to f figure it out here. And I know we talked about bike trails or multi-use paths, if we want to call them that. And um We mentioned that there's a two foot Uh that the Well I'm trying to figure out from your drawing, so I'm not an engineer. I can't figure out that if there is Yeah. And I get 'em all mixed up 'cause I've had so many meetings. Do we even have a multi use path here? But Um you mentioned that about the

1:13:41two feet and I went back to my planning staff and that two feet is a minimum. And I'm talking about placing the multi use path against the road. So in my opinion We should only be using the two foot minimum when there's constrictions from a wetland that keeps you from touching it. Otherwise, we gotta get better about taking these further away. From the road. Um a couple that got hit by a car and killed on tarpon.

1:14:11Um We can't landscape it, we can't it's just not good to smash it up against the road. It's just a glorified sidewalk. So I have a question about the tr the multi-use path If there is one on this road. Well

1:14:24Jordan can address but just so you know, there are adopted cross sections in the comp plan for Connected City that we have to follow. So if the board wants us to do something other than that and projects going forward, the cross section would have to change in the comp plan.

1:14:40So but Jordan can explain the cross section. Jordan Trader, first off I'd like to thank Commissioner Starkey for ten years you've been calling me up here to ask about meandering sidewalks and we appreciate your consistency.

1:14:58So Commissioner Starkey, this project includes the first extension of Kenton Road which goes from Elam North to Road B on that site plan. The c the cross sections for that were we are f we're adopted to work with the connected cities cross sections. What it is is the interim condition has a dedicated six foot multipurpose lane that is actually inside the curb. When the road gets and it's art it's part of the master plan.

1:15:21We really messed up On that approval. Because who's gonna let their kids ride on the street?

1:15:26The ultimate build-out, which is a four-lane section, then Brad, you may want to speak to the planning team that put together Connected Cities. Once it's a four-lane road, they want to see pedestrians and cyclists move outside the travel lane into a dedicated multi-purpose path. That's what happens when that road gets four-laned. The interim condition for the two-lane section that has a dedicated oversized bike and multipurpose paths, you know, against the travel lane. It's it is we have used these cross sections to negotiate very longly with neighbors to secure the right of way needed. We're living

1:15:56and dying by the governing documents for the connected cities in this cross section.

1:16:00Okay, so I know in Epperson They have all these trails for golf carts. And everything. So you can get around the community without having to get on the main road, right? Correct. Does this neighborhood have that?

1:16:18Correct. So and do the commissioners have the MPD master plan maybe in front of them? There's a little graphic. We can pull it up on the screen.

1:16:30Yeah, the only thing I see in the package is a walk it's it's not a conceptual plan. Right, right.

1:16:40Okay, so Everybody on the board is obviously familiar. The Epperson project is located east outside the screen here.

1:16:46That's

1:16:47it on the bottom,

1:16:47right?

1:16:48Correct. They're making that's to the right of the screen. So they're making the improvements in Elam. And then this project I need a point, I have a laser point. Right. There we go.

1:17:01Yeah. Okay, solved that. Where's how's it work? Just hold it at it slow. There you go. You see it? Well we can't see that in this direction. Coming and going.

1:17:16You the red square? At the corner? Correct. That's the intersection of Elam and Kenton Road. And we're building the first segment of Kenton Road to the north. We're also making access improvements on Elam Road. We work really hard with staff. They made sure that we are building the dedicated golf cart lanes in Elam Road along all of our frontage and transitioning and tying into the East Project. So that's

1:17:37the bottom along. Right.

1:17:39So there are three big projects coming in on Elam Road. There's Epperson. further east, then there's the white space on this graphic was a separate MPD called Woodville Palms. They're making their own improvements where they're building that lane and then we're picking up and finishing it from there. So you have a continuous golf cart lane in Elam Road. Now, if we go north on Kenton, which as Clark mentioned earlier, is the major north-south collector road parallel to Curley inside connected cities. In there we're building dedicated golf cart lanes in that collector road. If

1:18:09you go north. The first right is called Road A. That is a subdivision collector road where we'll have golf cart lanes and speed slow enough where the golf carts can go into this community and also the residential community to the east, the two blue arrows Our local interconnects that we've added. We were only required one. We have two of those, so there'll be golf cart connections at each of those blue arrows right there. And if you can envision there's a a non-residential hub at the red, interconnected blue arrows there, so that folks with golf carts can go back and forth between these communities. And

1:18:40then if they when they get on these north South Road Kenton that's a collector, they're dedicated golf cart lanes for there. So The maximum. Eventually.

1:18:48When it goes to four lanes.

1:18:49No, no, no. In the interim condition in two lanes, we will construct the golf cart lanes. When it goes to four lanes, It becomes four dedicated travel lanes and the county constructs a dedicate a separate dedicated path.

1:19:00Okay, I feel better.

1:19:03Any other questions?

1:19:06If not, I'll I'll wait for my I think we may have one neighbor that wants to talk about a drainage issue that doesn't necessarily pertain to this, but I'll wait for any additional questions. Thank you.

1:19:17Right, thank you. Um Did someone want to come speak on this issue? I have

1:19:22Michael um Polterek signed up to speak.

1:19:31Good afternoon, Commissioners. Thank you for the time. Thank you for taking our comments and uh hearing our side of this. Michael Pultoric, [address removed]. We purchased the property in 2025. Yes we have. Okay, thank you. Yes, I have. All right. Um we are an adjacent property to here. We purchased in 2020. We are in the process of building out a small farm right there in the middle of this, which is gonna be amazing because we're still gonna

1:20:01be able to show the connected city what some of Pasco looks like. Okay. We are pro responsible growth and we are pro responsible development. Here's one of the issues. The Pasco connected city, some of the development is getting ahead of the infrastructure a little bit too quick. Two examples are fire rescue is Signal 40 continuously because we don't have completed fire stations. And another example is right on McKendry Road, right around the corner from this, and

1:20:31in the middle of the connected city, it's a dirt road, two lanes. We now have a commercial ice arena, an ice skating rink on a dirt road that's in its final phase of completion. and there's no paved road to get in or out for any of these people. So We're getting ahead just a little bit and I'd like to uh point out our biggest concern. Could you bring up our

1:20:59It's saying the file's corrupt.

1:21:05This property is adjacent to King Lake. I have a f yes, sir. Madam Chair, can just pause this time because she's

1:21:12a good thing.

1:21:13Thank you. The majority of this document was actually shown to the Planning Commission as well. So they have seen it as part of um public records. Well it should come up is what you're saying. There's a few slides added from from the last meeting.

1:21:36All right. I apologize and I'll try to make it as quickly as I can. I may have to ask for the easement.

1:21:47Yeah we have a we have a full PowerPoint presentation that show the actual Lake King Lake that's adjacent to this property.

1:21:54Penny for

1:21:55The lake level since oh nine has gone up about seven feet. In the dry period of the season, the dry season of the year. Right now on the rear of our property you can only see the top of our four foot cattle posts. This used to be dry. It was seasonal with rainfall. We've lost seven hundred and fifty linear feet of property out into the lake. at this point, where we're at right now. In this document is also the historical rainfall data to show rain had

1:22:25nothing to do what's with what's going on. Historically there was three outflows for this lake. One to the north that became Maraudha, one to the south which became Epperson, and there's one to the west that now continuously overflows across and through Kenton Road every time it rains, even in the dry season. this development may not be the issue at hand, however, What's the right-of-way? in the process of happening is if forty acres of this property is Covered with hard surface,

1:22:55we're gonna have over one point seven million square feet. Of Land area that has to shed water somewhere. The natural place with gravity for it to go is into the lake. We are already way too high for a water elevation level. The property across the street from us, which is [address removed], is under contract with D.R. Horton. that is the only place this lake overflows at this point. So one of the hiccups that we're gonna have, and I'm pointing it out right now, because there's an easy solution

1:23:25to this, When D R Horton wants to put another three hundred

1:23:33Where the outflow for this lake is, they're gonna want to dam up this lake. It's gonna keep the remainder of the water in this lake, which is going to flood out all of the current residents. All the residents on the west side of this lake are already fighting floodwaters as it is.

1:23:50Stopped, everybody's gonna be living in our hundred year floodplain as an everyday occurrence. Now where this development is, and you have the map from their presentation, all right, on the southwest corner of this is your stormwater facility. Your stormwater Um

1:24:09A reservoir.

1:24:10Reservoir. All right. So they already bring it in and they send out the reclaimed water. We need you to protect your current residents and we need to welcome our new residents, but we can't flood out those of us that are currently here. to allow for more residents as it is.

1:24:26Well I I can tell you that Swift Mud won't allow that. They'll they'll have to have a master water plan and they're not allowed to put any water any more water on any of your property. So they'll have to get their permits and it'll all be engineered. And it lots of times I've seen that where that helps neighborhoods.

1:24:45They haven't returned our calls this yet. So

1:24:48Well I I my guess

1:24:50is

1:24:50when they come back up they'll address

1:24:51that.

1:24:53Oh perfect. Could I ask for ninety seconds to just show you what we have? Thank you. Can you go to the next slide? That's the beautiful King Lake. This is the actual satellite view in O nine where you can see what the the top view of our properties look like. Can you go forward one, please? Uh okay, darn it, that's that's the old one from the Planning Commission. If you can flip forward to twenty twenty, it's probably up about six, seven slides, you'll see the lakes the lake has filled in. And Can

1:25:24you go forward one more for me? This is the historical rainfall, just so that you can see that between O nine and eighteen, when these satellite images were taken, it wasn't a rain induced situation.

1:25:37This is the actual satellite view of how much property we've currently lost. This doesn't take into account any additional land that we're gonna lose with that water level coming up at all. Can you go forward one more for me? Okay. That's There it was a different presentation for today which showed the location of this development, the location of the stormwater facility. They're actually adjacent. You're fixing to put a new road in between. We need help

1:26:08setting a max elevation for that lake and so that the stormwater instead of it all going into our backyards can go to a responsible place so that it can go up back out and be used for reclaimed water for our current citizens.

1:26:21Right. Thank you. Um and we'll have I'm sure there Well is there anyone else who wants to speak on this issue? Oh, there's another one. And do we have anyone online?

1:26:31We have no one on WebEx for this item.

1:26:34Would anyone else besides this gentleman like to speak? Okay, this will be a last public comment.

1:26:40My name is Philip Singletary. I live at [address removed]. I'm one of the two people who didn't sign their agreement.

1:26:50I'm sorry? Sir, have you been? Yes, I have. Thank you. Um Kenton Road on the is a private road on the south end a half a mile. That's where they're gonna put the two entrance ways that we can have access to the New Canton Road. One concern that I have is the only fire hydrant that we have in the whole area is at the very end of the south end. of Kenton Road. Which they're gonna shut off. I've been told that

1:27:20they can't keep that road open because you can't have two parallel Rhodes. So That's an issue I have. You can't put a cul de sac down there because they're putting a they're starting a turning lane, they're gonna widen Elam Road. So

1:27:37A simple solution to me would be keep the road open. Your mail can come through, the garbage trucks can come through. They've been doing it forever. And that's pretty much what I have to say.

1:27:48Thank you.

1:27:51All right. Um please come back up and answer the questions and maybe explain how the drainage will work.

1:27:58Sure. Uh this is Clark Hobby again. I'm gonna turn it over to Jordan Schrader because these are technical comments, but I just wanted to point out a couple of things. I think our neighbor who just not Mr. Singletary but the previous neighbor, he actually lives about a quarter of a mile north. He's not immediately adjacent to our shop. And his primary issue is he's worried there's a discharge about a half mile or a mile from our site that historically conveyed water out, might have been blocked by one of the neighbors. We did meet with him after Planning

1:28:29Commission. My understanding from county staff is that they're looking into it, maybe an open code enforcement matter that may address his issue. Regardless, I know Jordan. We'll be looking at all these outfall issues as part of the design and permitting of it. Uh and and I'm gonna turn over these other things to Jordan. I just wanna say finally, you know We work really, really hard to take care of our neighbors um and we've done everything we can to transition their existing Dirt Kenton

1:28:59Road. to leave as much of it in place for them as they want in the interim condition while giving them a connection to our new road that we're gonna build, which will have all the utilities. So we're building all the infrastructure. I'm gonna let Jordan talk about the fire hydrants. I don't get into that level. But I will say this. I think the board is smart enough to realize you can't have twenty five feet away from one another, uh an arterial runway and another road. That's just safe safety's

1:29:29not gonna work. And anyway, for those reasons, uh you know, staff and planning commission un uh unanimously supported this, so we'd ask for your support. I'm gonna turn it over to Jordan now on the technical stuff.

1:29:42Good afternoon. First I'll speak to the drainage from the neighbor who spoke first. Uh he met with us at Planning Commission. We actually met after and talked to him also. He's correct. There are three points of drainage connection. There they're actually though he said there's three outfalls. There's two there's one inflow and two outflows. There's one inflow into King Lake that comes across from the south, across Elam Road. And then there are two, one from the north and one from the west. And again, he lives a little further to the north, so the one to the west is not i it's not connected to our property. It's further to the north. He mentioned

1:30:13there will be another piece of property that's under contract, we believe to be another home builder. When that comes in, I think we can speak to the drainage for that and making sure that they maintain that existing outfall and don't block or uh obviously they're not allowed to to block and hold up King Lake. That there's Uh our codes as well as Swift MUD regulations prohibit that. This neighbor believed there may be some blockage to the outflow to the north. We put him in touch with the right people at Swift Mud, John Powanda and their compliance department. We gave him all his contact information so that with county code enforcement as well as the water management district, they can make sure

1:30:43that there have not been any unpermitted drainage impedements to the north. So we've given him all the tools to be able to make sure that those two outfalls are not. As far as our development, we're gonna make sure that we're designed and permitted accordance with ours as well as state regulation to make sure that we don't increase or alter any of the drainage patterns that can.

1:31:01So normally normally when people talk about lake levels, I mention um the overpumping and the stopping of overpumping and the lake levels coming up, but I'm not sure in this area that's an issue. It's

1:31:11been too recent.

1:31:14We can't speak from the audience, just nod your head, yes or no. And it's Mr. Polterac, is that correct? Polterac? You stated that um in Obviously thanks for putting them in touch or g getting a hold of jump one, but they never reach back out to you? No? Okay. So Commissioner Oakley's not here. It is his district, but I will tell you this. Um I'll make sure that I work with John Powanda myself. and make sure he meets with you and goes to the site. Yeah. Um I'll call John or I'll call

1:31:44the executive director or whatever. Because if you have that issue going on out there on the outflow of wherever that may be, obviously we want to look at that 'cause I thought King Lake was for a while before you even were there. It was getting low, wasn't it? Yeah, it was getting pretty low for a while there. Um I think it was getting too low. It was hurting the f it was hurting the fishing.

1:32:05At the Planning Commission. Yeah, right. So at the Planning Commission, Chris Williams who lives on Lake Pasadena, Buddy Lake, he brought up he said, Look, I I've lived for a long time and I've seen two thousand nine was a dramatically low year. We've seen it come back up. These lakes are starting to restore. To some of their historical patterns. But people are losing in land for associated if they've come in. So again, as Clark mentioned earlier, we're seeing a transition and a point

1:32:28they're rolling. Andy, we get with Mr. Is that Mrs. Polterek next

1:32:32to you?

1:32:32Okay. Mr. and Mrs. Polterek. Andy will get with you. We'll get your information. I'll make sure we make the connection with Swift Mud so they can go to your site, look at what try to see what the issue is. Obviously it's not this site that's causing the issue, but we want to make sure we can try to do what we can to help you figure this out because obviously you'd wanna maintain as much of your property as possible. So

1:32:56Let me speak to the fire hydrants. So there's an existing water main on the north side of Elam right now. When we build new Kenton Road to the north, we are in compliance with Connected Cities Master Water Plan. It calls for a a obviously new and significant water main on the west side, so most nearly located to the residents of Kenton. We're going to be bringing that brand new water main to the north. We would not otherwise be required to install hydrants in a collector road that didn't have intensities right on it. I think in this case we could make sure that we install fire hydrants on the west side of Kenton Road in proximity to the neighbors to

1:33:26the west as a sign of good faith. We can space those in accordance with residential standards so that they now have new hydrants closer to their houses much more than they do today.

1:33:36Okay. So the we can't I Mr Madam Chair, I don't think we can add that as part of our motion today uh to add the

1:33:43It's an M P D. You could if you wanted to.

1:33:48Okay. We're good with it. We don't want fire and we don't want problems. Okay. Mike. Okay.

1:33:55All right. So then uh Commissioner Mariano.

1:33:58Yeah, let me just go back to the cul-de-sac thing. Um and again I have discomfort with it. When I when I when I look at 150 feet, that's about triple the length from where you are to the wall. So if a garbage truck's could come in at four in the morning, six in the morning. Backing up there if some kids out there getting ready to go to school or someone else's cars or just someone's walking there. It's it's a it's a dangerous situation in my opinion. How wide are the roads gonna be?

1:34:22Standard fifty foot right-of-10 foot travel lane. So there's they're local roads.

1:34:26So you got ten foot travel lane, so twenty-foot wide, and the truck's gonna take up at least Most of that square footage on half of it. Um Yeah, I I don't know where the demand was to change the cul de sacs. I mean I I like you, Commissioner Starkey, like to see the connections all the way through. But if they're gonna be c if they're gonna be Dead end roads. I I've just never seen anyone that that look comfortable to me where I wouldn't want to live at the end of one of those.

1:34:51We don't have the layout, so we can't see the

1:34:54Jordan, are you Are you hammerheading them?

1:34:59It would be a hammerhead situation. That's what

1:35:00it's So that's how that's how the trucks turn around. Is they're hammerheading the So Pick an urban. You're the engineer.

1:35:09And it's it

1:35:09is

1:35:10a hammerhead where two roads intersect. It it happens in all urban planning and form. We have a suburban code that we're just trying to get caught up to the urban form that we want in these areas. And I'd love to work directly with you, Commissioner Oriano, as a

1:35:24Well that's that's a good question.

1:35:25It doesn't mean they have to back out.

1:35:29Correct.

1:35:30So you'll set the house back a little bit further

1:35:33Correct.

1:35:33On the very end. Correct. All right, I'm gonna go with that. Okay. Okay.

1:35:35So I think we didn't better explain that. Anyway. Thank you. Happy to answer any other questions. Thanks, Chef.

1:35:41Madam Chairman.

1:35:44We'll work we'll work with the with the residents. Um I'll make a motion to approve and add the fire hydrants that we spoke about to the approval.

1:35:55Okay.

1:35:57All right. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. Thank you. Thank you. All right, we