PDD-22-7569

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1. 1Dec 7, 2021
   Board of County CommissionersP122Public hearingContinued

   Zoning Amendment (Regular) – … of 238 Multi-family Residential in Entitlements (in Addition to the Approved/Existing Existing 182,745 Commercial/Retail Entitlements) and to Change the Name of the MPUD From Dale Mabry Town Center MPUD on 37.9 Acres

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   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:25:04P one twenty two. No. Yeah, P one twenty two.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:25:08Item P one twenty-two was published in the Tampe Times on October thirteenth, twenty twenty-one.

   County Administrator

   1:25:13What's going on?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:25:17Oh. Okay. Um I is the applicant gonna speak?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:25:23Well

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:25:23is the county speaking? Who's who's got this one?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:25:25Yeah, the

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:25:26I think there

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:25:27should be a staff presentation.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:25:28We need a staff presentation. And then I have a question on this one. We can wait till after the applicant for my question. Thank you. All right, Kane

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:25:37Statter, Planning and Development Department. Ivan Dale Mavery M P V D, P D D twenty two seventy five sixty nine.

   Moore

   1:25:44We can't hear you. I know, that's

   1:25:46not my

   1:25:48They're not loud enough.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:25:50Is that better? That's that is big go. Like you just lean into it. Um here we go with the location map.

   1:25:59Proposed as a rezoning request from an MPUD to an MPUD to allow the exchange of a maximum of two hundred thirty-eight multifamily residential unit entitlements in addition to the existing one hundred eighty-two thousand seven hundred forty-five square feet of commercial retail entitlements. And to change the name from the uh MPUD from Del Mabrie Town Center MPUD to Arlington Del Mabry MPUD.

   1:26:26And here is a master plan for the northern piece showing the multifamily. And there's a master plan for the entire thing with the existing retail commercial.

   1:26:38Currently the subject parcels are known as a Del Mabry Town Center M PUD and contain a department store and a bank totaling approximately one hundred eighty two thousand seven hundred forty five thousand square feet of Allocated used commercial retail entitlements. There is a surplus of 162,255 square feet of commercial retail entitlements. The proposed project is outside of the temporary multifamily moratorium, and the request is consistent with the PASCO LDC and the applicable

   1:27:09provisions of the PASCO Comprehensive Plan. And with that, the PDD recommends approval with conditions.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:27:17Okay, um I have some questions, but I think I'll hear from the applicant first.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:27:28Good afternoon. Truett Gardner four hundred North Astley Drive I have been sworn. Um I'll be brief in the interest of your time, happy to answer your questions. We have staff support, also Planning Commission. unanimously found us uh to be recommended for approval. And to clarify the existing target and the bank branch will remain. These are just entitlements on the north side of the property that have never been utilized. In fact the This site is set vacant for an excess of 15 years despite its zoning and despite the target opening

   1:27:58in 2008. Recently the site's become a nuisance is used for for dumping primarily. and uh there's also a lot of tractor trailers that are just stored there improperly. And so this is to clean that up, it would create a mixed use development. which is in keeping with the South Market area. And we would ask your support, but happy to answer any questions you may have.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:28:19Well I I I do want to see how you're making it mixed use.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:28:23Uh with the it w and the overall P D. the target will remain, which is commercial retail, the bank branch will remain, so this adds a retail use to the overall P D, so the P D will be mixed use.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:28:36I feel like I feel like there's a misunderst for me, maybe a misunderstanding of mixed use because to me that's a mix of uses. But I guess I always think of mixed use as vertically integrated uses. Uh am I I'm not a planner. But I know that we're we're making um Others do things a little different. We we don't wanna be Swapping out. um land that could create jobs for Um only residential

   1:29:08and so I'm just I I d told Terry I was gonna ask him about this. I'm trying to understand Why we're not asking for any um vertical mixed use here when we are asking that of others. If you don't mind I'm gonna ask my planning director. 'Cause no one came and talked to me about this. And I would have I would have asked this. First I've seen it too. So

   OakleyChair

   1:29:30Nictoria Spito's planning and development. Um

   1:29:38Can you repeat your question?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:29:40Well I'm just I mean, are are they getting away with out having anything on the new development that is job creating because nearby there's a target?

   Moore

   1:29:52Yeah. Right. So Could I jump, minor terror, can I ask you a question real quick, you know and if you're okay with this. And you just made a good point. This is the first I've seen it. You said it was your district, it's the first you've seen it. We were not detailed by I've never I was never detailed by the applicant. I was never detailed by staff. I make I would make a motion to continue this to give the opportunity to ask have these questions, so we're not debating this issue up on the dais now, and we have time to actually ingest this and have these conversations with staff. And if the applicant wants to meet with us and as well. Would you agree with that?

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:30:21Yeah, I would I would agree. Okay,

   Moore

   1:30:23I'll make a

   Mariano

   1:30:23motion to continue this. Uh little more discussion first? Yeah,

   Moore

   1:30:25please.

   Mariano

   1:30:25I'll second the motion, but I want to Yeah. You know w if you Reading it. In lieu of The hundred and sixty two thousand remaining unbuilt commercial retail entitlements. So we're taking commercial, retail, job creating That's right. Opportunities and now we're gonna go get more residential.

   Moore

   1:30:45Right on.

   Mariano

   1:30:45Now I don't know what our staff is looking at or listening to. But I'm hearing clearly in that area, as congested as it is, they don't want to see any more apartments coming in. To make it even more traffic burden. They want to see jobs. They want people commuting down to Tampa or elsewhere. They want to work right here. This commercial property that's there that could be

   1:31:05That could create jobs. So I d I don't think we need any more apartments. Well not in the specifically not in this particular site.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:31:12I I'm I am willing to entertain it, but I I want to be fair to all multifamily that are coming to us that front on a major Corridor. And I haven't been able Well no one had that discussion with me. So would you mind if we continued it and you'd come back and talk with the commissioners here? So We can make sure you understand the vision that we represent for the people of Pasco Kent.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:31:46and I thought of this as a mixture of uses as opposed to as you said, Chairman Starkey, uh Chairman Starkey, a a integrated mixed use project. Um this site has struggled, I will say, to fill that retail. And um and but we are more than happy to discuss this. You are correct, we're on Dumb Avery Highway. And so happy to talk to my client, talk to staff, happy to talk to any of you. about this and and happy to take the continuance and And flesh this issue out

   1:32:16and come back to you.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:32:20Um do

   1:32:21I need

   Moore

   1:32:21to readverting yet. So they need it staff's gonna have to work with the applicant and bring it back. There's no time certain.

   StarkeyVice Chair

   1:32:27Okay. Okay, let's do that. And thank you very much. All right, uh all in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed?

2. 2Aug 9, 2022
   Board of County CommissionersP92Public hearingApproved

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   StarkeyChair

   1:18:44P ninety two is published in the Daily Times on july twentieth, twenty twenty two.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:18:49Good afternoon everybody. Tammy Sider Playing in Development. Here we have the Arlington Del Mabrie and PUD, PD D twenty two seventy-five sixty-nine. Here's your location map.

   Ali Atefi

   1:19:03Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:19:05And proposed as a rezoning request from an MPUD to an MPUD to allow the development of a maximum of 238 multifamily residential units. And to also change the name from Dale Mabrie Town Center MPUD to the Arlington Dale Mabrie MPUD. The applicant is also requesting a variation from the Land Development Code, Section 805.6, restrictions on wetlands and the upland buffers. The requirement is for a mandatory HOA C D and the variation request is for the multifamily

   1:19:36portion only, which will be under single ownership. And here is the master plan. The colored part is the uh multifamily area. And here's the complete master plan with the uh commercial retail also showed.

   1:19:55Conceptual. Currently the subject parcels are known as the Del Mabry Town Center M PUD and they contain a department store and a bank totaling approximately one hundred eighty two thousand seven hundred forty five thousand square feet Of allocated used commercial retail entitlements. The Planning Commission heard the item at the October 28, 2021 public hearing and unanimously voted to recommend approval. The BCC heard the item at the December 7th, 2021 hearing and voted to continue to a date uncertain to be able to have more discussions

   1:20:26regarding this project. Generally, vertical mixed use is preferred. However, given the amount of retail and office entitlements in this area, the essential missing element is high-density housing, and reducing such to add more retail office would not be consistent with the concept of mixed use. Furthermore, the land is limited in its development potential due to restrictive covenants imposed by the existing big box retail. and the big box retailers in the area are located

   1:20:56within residential future land uses. Therefore this area has non-residential development encroaching into residentially entitled lands. LDC section 402.2.8 specifies that variations from the code may be reviewed and approved by the PC and BCC and staff has re reviewed these recommended the requested variations and recommend approval as they meet the intent of the Land Development Code. The proposed request is consistent

   1:21:26with the Pasco County LDC Chapter 400, Subsection 402.2 zoning amendment and PUD and with the applicable provisions of the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan. And with that, the PDD recommends approval with conditions.

   StarkeyChair

   1:21:41Okay, and I see the applicant coming up to speak to us.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:21:51Madam Chair, Clark Hobby, Hobby and Hobby PA 109 North Brush Street, Tampa, Florida, and I have been sworn. Here on behalf of the applicant, uh as you heard, this is a uh MPUD that's existed since 2005. The only remaining partial in the overall master plan is a nine acre site. And it's located almost entirely within the Res 6 flu, which as you undoubtedly know under the 2007 Comprehensive Plan

   1:22:22only allows uh residential land uses. There's a small portion in the ROR section, but that ROR overall area uh does not have any residential within this. Area of R O R The site's been unoccupied since the MPUD was approved in 2005. and uh since the master partial and master infrastructure was developed in two thousand seven and eight. So I think Uh

   1:22:52you can probably understand since this is on Dale Mabry that there's something amiss here. And the something amiss, and the reason why you see semi-trailers parked on the site in this recent aerial. is the fact that there are significant restrictions that staff uh discussed that prohibit as an example the following retail uses on this site. gas stations, bars, liquor stores, hotels, second hand stores, car dealerships,

   1:23:23bowling alleys, movie theaters, vet offices, fitness and massage, Clinics, schools and technical schools. And there's a severe limitation on restaurants. So the reason why this site has sat fallow for so long and unused is any of the retail uses that it was set up for, most of which cannot be used. So we can go to the next line. So you'll see it's hard to read on this site, but this is probably one of the reasons

   1:23:53that t taxes were unpaid on this site for eight years. Wow. Uh there were tax certificates outstanding for eight years and it was almost lost to a tax deed sale in twenty fifteen. We can go to the next slide. and then after that the lender foreclosed on the site in twenty fifteen.

   1:24:16Since that time there still hasn't been any use on the site. So that's going back another seven years. and in the intervening period of time the county had to bring a full on code enforcement lawsuit against the property owner and there's I think one more slide. it it was basically being used by homeless people and as a dumping site for many years. So I think our client rightly so wants to do something that's reasonable and is allowed on the site.

   1:24:46You can move on one more slide. Uh you can see this is the overall flu for this area. You can see the majority of the site at the apex is in a residential uh future land use classification. And pursuant to the 2007 Comp Plan and the Land Development Code that was in effect at the time the MPUD was approved. It says that it has to follow right now this MPUD modification, the current comp plan, which will not allow the retail uses

   1:25:16that were originally approved. So the only real uses that are allowed here are residential. And since we're up against a super target and a major power center, the only realistic use is multifamily. So as staff told you this fills in a residential area. We can move on to the next slide. This fills in an area that, you know, needs some productive use. And when I got involved after this originally came to the board, what I was

   1:25:46charged with the mission of doing here is making sure that this MPUD was on an equal footing with the other MPUDs that were similar on US 41 that had been to the board uh recently and that's what we've done with this connectivity plan. The objective of this plan is to make all this site comply with all of the mudderum requirements that it can without having the benefit of being able to regulate the target site because as you might imagine the big box user user

   1:26:17is not willing to take any of Pasco County's further restrictions since they're already built out. The site uh uh I mean the MPUD as you heard went through Planning Commission. No one has objected to date. and again what we did was create this binding plan which creates all the walkability, the block sizing, and the trails on site and off site to interconnect to the site such that if we were starting from scratch, this would have met the Mutterham uh requirements. We've

   1:26:47improved the form of development and and put it on par with the other projects that the board has approved on 41 recently. And this is c clearly a good, uh economically viable use that is going to be the first time the site's been in any productive use since at least two thousand five. So with that I'm happy to answer any questions the board might have, but I would urge your approval.

   StarkeyChair

   1:27:13Thank you. Um board members, do you have any questions for Mr. Hobby?

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:27:18Madam Chair. Yeah. I'll just say when I first looked at this I didn't like it. Um but looking at the conditions and the finding of fact number five, especially about target and the restrictions, the list you gave off, it it's pretty much I think we're we're bound we have to do it. Thank you,

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:27:33Commissioner Mariano. Again, I think that's why the site was never developed all this time. It's been fifteen years, fifteen to seventeen years the site's been sitting like this.

   StarkeyChair

   1:27:42You know, uh this is one of those sites where I when I look at that target parking lot And I think of the target that we have over there on fifty-four and little. And there There are so many spaces that never get a car on it and is that the best use to have A pay. parking lot that no one uses I'm just wondering if you're not sure if you're I see there's some un undeveloped land in front of the target. And I just wonder if you're not sure. Terry, we could look at that parking

   1:28:12lot and Give some of the space up for more economic activity.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:28:18I I can speak for Terry I think in the sense of the parking field that you see there is all a part of the approved um target center and it was a part of their site plan. The other green space out front is actually within DOT area and that's what's kind of unique about the site. Those blue I mean blue, the yellow trails that you see dashed throughout the area in front of Target, those are actually trails that exist and they actually broke up the uh parking field which

   1:28:48was unusual in two thousand nine and create walkable areas so that the the little dotted lines running through the DOT property, those are actual existing trails and that's part of the reason why I think this actually meets the mud requirements overall. So there's a there's a lot of benefit there already, Commissioner Starkey.

   StarkeyChair

   1:29:08Okay, well I don't see those when I look at the satellite, but I'm just saying I think we've overparked some of these developments that could be better used for something else. Um but I agree this is a great improvement over what we have going on there. When I look at the satellite and I don't know when they took this picture but One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven. Probably illegally parked.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:29:36Semis.

   StarkeyChair

   1:29:37Semis, yeah. And probably a lot of junk too. So Yeah, so Um all right, this is a public hearing. Does anyone w wish to speak to this item? Do we have anyone? I have no one on WebEx for this item. Okay. Okay, it is this is not a consent, correct? This is two to four. That is correct.

   Fitzpatrick

   1:29:57Second.