PDD-23-7662

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1. 1May 18, 2023
   Planning CommissionPC4Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

   Zoning Amendment (Consent) (Continuance) - Greenfield/Del Greenfield Del Webb River Reserve MPUD - Parkway Hills LLC et al - A Petition for … District to Allow for the Development of 21,600 SF Office, 32,000 SF Commercial/Retail, 160,000 SF Light Industrial, 171 Townhomes (Platted), 304 Multi-Family Apartments, and 730 Age Restricted Single Family Detached 1,205 Residential Units, and Attached Units on Approximately 557.46 Acres 213,600 Square Feet of Nonresidential

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   Liam Devine

   18:18Thank you. PC four, PDD 23-7662, a zoning amendment in the name of Greenfield Del Webb River Reserve MPUD. Parkway Hills LLC ETL, a petition for a rezoning from MPUD Master Plan Unit Development District to MPUD Master Plan Unit Development District to allow 1,205 residential units and 213,600 square feet. Of non-residential. In your agenda packet, it did come before you with a request to

   18:48a continuance to a date uncertain. The applicant requested a continuance to June 22nd in New Port Richey at 130. PM.

   GreyChair

   18:58June twenty second.

   19:03Okay.

   19:06All right. Is there anyone here to object?

   19:10Seeing that one.

   Connected City

   19:12Motion to continue.

   GreyChair

   19:15And second. Further discussion of the motion. But to be clear that you're

   GirardiVice Chair

   19:20you're continuing to the June Date.

   GreyChair

   19:23Yes.

   GirardiVice Chair

   19:23Okay. June twenty second. Okay.

   GreyChair

   19:27Um I don't think you I didn't let anybody vote. Sorry. Go ahead. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, like, sign.

2. 2Jul 20, 2023
   Planning CommissionPC6Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

   Zoning Amendment (Consent) - … for the Development of 21,600 21,000 SF Office, 32,000 SF … 160,000 SF Light Industrial, 171 Townhomes (Platted), 304 40 Townhomes, 435 Multi-Family Apartments, units, and 730 Age Restricted … Units on Approximately 557.46 Acres acres.

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   Denise

   35:02And we're gonna move on to item PC six and that will be presented to you by Amy Tolk.

   GreyChair

   35:07PC six, okay.

   35:21Okay, Miss Amy.

   Amy Heiler

   35:47All right. Good afternoon, Amy Heiler or Amy Toll, excuse me. It's been almost two years since I've been married and I'm still using my maiden name. Amy Tall with Planning and Development. The item before you is the well just go forward. PDD 23-7662 in the name of Greenfield Del Webb River Reserve. This is the associated rezoning to MPUD that runs alongside the proposed comprehensive plan amendment that was approved for transmittal on July 11th.

   36:18So, the do a little project overview. As noted, this is a proposed zoning amendment. The applicant is requesting a rezoning from MPD master plan unit development to MPUD master plan unit development to allow for the mixed use development on approximately 557.46 acres to allow for 1,205 dwelling residential dwelling units. 12,600 square feet of office, 160,000 square foot of industrial, and 32,000 square feet of commercial

   36:49retail. The subject site is located bisected by Shady Hills Road, approximately a mile north of State Road 52. Subject site is located in the South Market area and urban service area. Here's a visual representation of the proposed uh master plan unit development location. And the current zoning district is M Puty.

   37:16The uh current future land use right now is uh comm commercial, um uh I'm sorry, uh office commercial, uh residential three, which is three dwelling units per gross acre, residential twelve, which is twelve gross dwelling units per gross acre, um industrial as well as conservation lands.

   37:37Uh here's a visual of the applicant's master plan. Um so the applicant is proposing to amend the existing MPUD, uh the existing MPUDs in the name of Zendaya or Belfruit right now. Um so what was originally approved back in 2015 is pretty much a um uh business park establishment with a Mixed-use matrum component. The applicant is actually proposing a pretty substantial

   38:07reduction in what was already approved. We already went through this in the comprehensive plan amendment side of things. And so what the applicant is proposing now, as you see, the Dell Web community, that is going to be an age-restricted community on the east side of Shady Hills. They are still proposing a small component of Light industrial on the northern edge. The Mutrum in pink is going to remain. That is going to be your mixed-use downtown center type facility or type use. And then the townhomes

   38:38are multifamily going to be located to the south. As you see, we are east of Sunkhost Parkway and bisected by Shady Hills Road. Additionally, the applicant. Is not going to impact the conservation lands, the critical linkage, or the existing wetland system to the east, and that's going to be preserved through the conditions of approval in the MPUD.

   39:03And here's just a little bit more detail of the actual attachment that we have established in the conditions of approval for the MPD. What you see here, the applicant has agreed to construct an eight-foot multi-use path outside of the project boundary to ensure connectivity between the development along Shady Hills Road to the school systems. Actually, it has a more detailed visual that they can provide to you to show an overall network about how that looks. But

   39:34as it relates to the conditions of approval, this is the visual obligation that the applicant has agreed to. This goes into, or this aligns with additionally the condition or a condition of approval that ensures the eight-foot multi-use. path that runs alongside Shady Hills Road is also constructed as well.

   39:57And so the applicant is actually requesting four variations from the code, and I'll go through those in a little bit of detail. So variation one is LDC section 907.1E for on-site parking. The applicants requesting a reduction from our code requirement to allow for 1.9 spaces per multifamily unit. And the pass or PDD or The department has reviewed and supports the applicant's proposed variation request as

   40:27it aligns with the intent of the code being LDC section 907.1G. Additionally, it also aligns with the intent of the code to reduce impervious parking spaces and establish a more resilient practice to reduce the heat island effect. So with that, in addition to a much room component of the project, the proposed reduction in parking is supported by planning and development. Second variation is going to be section 805.6,

   40:59restrictions in post-development wetland and upland buffers within the residential, non-residential lots and parcels. The intent of this is to ensure that the management of the wetlands are under one association. So in HOA or CDD, the applicant is confirming or requesting a variation from this code. Because they are ensuring that the wetlands will be under one ownership per the developer agreement. And so PDD is in support of that

   41:29as well. As well as the third variation being section 905 or 901.51E being a neighborhood parks reduction. Excuse me. The applicant is proposing a reduction for neighborhood parks. With a multifamily component of their project. And we are aligning with the agreeable agreement of the variation from parks, recs, and natural resources. They are the ones that's ones that manage the parks and the requirement of the code. And so it is

   41:59recognized that multifamily basically is a higher density and a smaller lot of land, therefore the code requirements. We are in support of reducing the actual park requirements for the multifamily component due to the nature and scale of the development versus single-family homes. And then lastly. uh section. Amy, could I

   GirardiVice Chair

   42:21just

   Amy Heiler

   42:22go ahead

   GirardiVice Chair

   42:22make sure we're clear on that? You mean basically the apartments, not Herbert is seeking the reduction of the reports, not

   Amy Heiler

   42:30For the apartments.

   GirardiVice Chair

   42:31Because he said multifamily.

   Amy Heiler

   42:33Yeah.

   GirardiVice Chair

   42:33There's townhomes too that are not seeking that production, is

   Amy Heiler

   42:36that correct?

   GirardiVice Chair

   42:37Okay.

   Amy Heiler

   42:40And then LDC section 901.611, which is your street designs and dedication of right-of-way, as well as LDC section 901.1H. The applicant is requesting to not connect to the eastern edge of the property.

   43:03Yeah, it's just the eastern and I think southern right now. The eastern edge of the property would not provide adequate accommodations for vehicular or pedestrian connections since the area is an ecological corridor and a preserved wildlife habitat, as well as to the north, which is a county-owned wilderness park. So we're not going to establish connections there, at least for this project. And lastly, To the south, it's an existing platted subdivision with no opportunity to connect. So the applicant's relief is also supported

   43:33by PDD. So with that we recommend approval with conditions to the BCC and I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have.

   GreyChair

   43:41Okay, thank you. Amy any questions from up here?

   Amy Heiler

   43:45And I do believe the applicant does have a PowerPoint as well.

   GreyChair

   43:48Okay.

   Amy Heiler

   43:50Thank you.

   Barbara Wilhite

   43:59Steven's gonna help me pass out my PowerPoints. Thank you. Well actually his PowerPoints, I just get to present it.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   44:07So

   Barbara Wilhite

   44:07when you see how good they are, it's not mine. Mine would never look this good. Okay. Barbara Willheight, 6327, Graham Boulevard, Newport Ritchie for the applicant. This is our third public hearing regarding this project. You saw it previously as a complaint amendment. It was a P D complaint amendment, which means we spelled out all the entitlements. You just didn't have the conditions of approval that go with those entitlements, which you have now in front of you. So I'll try to kind of be brief because you've kind of seen this before.

   44:37On this slide here is our existing entitlements versus our proposed entitlements. You can see the list of those that are existing today, and you'll see the proposed. Later on, you'll see what the student generation differences between existing and proposed as well as traffic generation differences. This is our master plan as you can see the client's commitment which has been a commitment since the first comp plan was approved on this property for an ecological corridor on their property is in green. That commitment still stands today and a hundred foot upland buffer into their property that goes

   45:07along with that ecological corridor.

   45:12This is the east side of the project. We are proud to have a Del Webb, Pulti Del Web award-winning uh senior project coming to this area.

   45:22That's a representative of Clubhouse. They spend about thirteen to fifteen million dollars on their clubhouse amenity.

   45:30This is the the uh west side of the project, which is a mudarham project as um Amy has described.

   45:38This puts in context where our project is compared to your cruise lake, the county's cruise lake park, as well as the ecological corridor and how we fit into that. Again, you can see the how we are a piece, a large piece of the corridor through this area.

   45:53This is the the slide that tells you about what we're doing about uh PAS. Along our project, which is highlighted there in the blue, normally we just do a five-foot sidewalk within our project along the road. That's required by code. We are upgrading that to an eight-foot multi-use path. We also looked, my team led by Level Up. Looked for the client at what's going on off-site so that we could become part of the solution to make sure that there was pedestrian

   46:23and um bike put uh connectivity. There's some interesting things going on in this area. We have Cruise Lake Park to our north, we have the Suncoast Trail and that wonderful facility. And we also have two schools. So really important to look at what that was gonna what that was going to be. And there was two gaps. You see them in red. So we're the client for mobility fee credits are going to fill in those gaps. So there'll be continuous eight-foot path that will continue on to other paths either constructed

   46:54now. or by the projects in blue as you come to the west of Suncoast Parkway, there's two projects there that have an obligation to do eight foot paths, so we'll be connecting. And so you'll have connectivity from our project all the way on up to Cruise Lake to the Suncoast Trail and over to these schools. pretty good connectivity. Um I wish we could see this achieved more. And so we can we'll as clients look for as my myself and my clients look for opportunities to do this. I

   47:24can tell you that We do get mobility fee credits for those off-site improvements, but they'll likely cost more. So those will be coming out of the client's pocket. They'll be paying mobility fees in addition to a little bit extra to make this happen off-site. We were not asked to do this. We came forward with this idea and did the research first before anybody asked us to do it.

   Chris Williams

   47:42So thank you for doing that.

   Barbara Wilhite

   47:45And

   Chris Williams

   47:45your coin.

   Barbara Wilhite

   47:47I'll take credit.

   Chris Williams

   47:49Yeah.

   Barbara Wilhite

   47:50This

   Chris Williams

   47:50is

   Barbara Wilhite

   47:50the trip generation.

   47:53Oh

   GirardiVice Chair

   47:53thank you. Thank you, Pasco County.

   GreyChair

   47:57Yeah, I thank David personally.

   Barbara Wilhite

   48:00this is the chip generation which I kind of alluded to between what we're approved today versus what we're entitling When it hopefully gets approved by the board, seventy-four percent reduction in trips. This is for our our future land use, which you've already considered. That's a 64% reduction. Our student generation, just for this project alone, student generation we're reducing by 112. Uh excuse me, hundred going from 334 students to 112, that's a 66% reduction. If

   48:32you look at our residential units, we are reducing our residential units by 8.4%. And this was kind of interesting. The client, the owner of this property, also owns 300 acres on the west side of Suncoast Parkway. In coming forward and saying, okay, what's the best plan for this side of the Sun Coast Parkway versus the other side, we worked with the Economic Development Council, Economic Growth. And they wanted to see the 300 acres on the west side that's over by your resource, the county's resource recovery plant, go to industrial

   49:02and light industrial. And so that land use amendment has been approved by the board and so that property is now 300 acres of light industrial. That took off Between that project going from residential, mostly residential land use to industrial land use plus the reduction we're doing here, we reduced forty-five percent reduction in residential units.

   49:31And with that we are available for any questions. I want to thank staff that worked really hard and the and David. You know, it's we we come here with this big stack of paperwork and It's it's a lot of work to get here, so I wanna thank and whoever the planning review checkers are that are behind the scenes checking before it goes to David, um, I appreciate all of you. So thank you.

   Connected City

   49:53Barbara, real quick, just a quick question for clarification. On the Agenda item, it says 730 age restricted single family detached and attached units, but your presentation says all detached. Are they supposed to be all detached, single family?

   Barbara Wilhite

   50:07The M P D conditions allow for either either I think we are they're going to be a detach as I understand. So I think that's a discrepancy. But you're right, the agenda and the entitlements allow for either.

   GreyChair

   50:18Okay.

   50:20Okay, thank you. Any questions? Any other questions?

   50:25Okay, is there anyone else here to speak on this project?

   50:30Please come forward.

   50:38You must have gotten here late 'cause you're usually sitting up front. Mm-hmm.

   Pastor Jim

   50:45It's part of that whole sneak attack plan. That's what I heard about you.

   50:59Um I come today just because um you know there's there's many reasons and I've shared a lot of them before and And you know, the the community is uh incredibly concerned about Um first of all, many of them would love to be here, but they're a working class community. Um they cannot make the commission meetings because they're during the day. Um they can't make these meetings because they're during the day and there's a

   51:29lot of people that You know, we're doing our best to collect, you know, the the concerns. We had a decent showing for the the future comprehensive plan over there at LC Logan, the community center. Um but but the concern that the community has right now is that there are many things that have been discussed during these meetings, during the commissioner meetings. And and we find that there's conflict in the

   51:59information from reality and so we'll just, you know, quickly I won't belabor it, but Um the the corner of Software and Shady Hills Road, that property is being developed right now and it was developed, it was supposed to be developed based on the idea that there would be no outlet to Shady Hills Road. And the main outlet right now, as we speak, is being developed onto Shady Hills Road. So You know,

   52:29there is a significant concern that the things that are described, the first uh planning meeting. Um, you know, when Mr. Moody, I believe, we went through the traffic summary and it was said to be like a D. Um and then at the commissioner meeting it was said to be like a B or C Um so the numbers and the things that we've been presented with, you know, the community's very concerned because once

   52:59it passes Just like you know the corner of Software and Shady Hills Road. You know, there they believe that there's really no recourse. Everything is already in motion. There is a belief that they don't have a voice. They go to take days off, go to the commissioner meetings, and when they go, they see an excessive amount of interaction with particular projects. We've now asked, and I'm I'm asking again. We've asked for meetings

   53:30with the developer. We've had one meeting planning development, sent one person out. We shared all of our concerns. We haven't heard back. Um, you know, this is a very serious concern. They want to be part of this. But they have been left out. We have been left out. So not that our voice is the only voice, they understand that the landowner has the right to develop within the land use code. Um, but there are many things that that we see

   54:00evolving that are not according to the way that it should be. So

   GreyChair

   54:06Okay. Do uh we have any questions or any comments about concerns I know we've talked about it before comment though.

   Moody

   54:14I mean when they were here for the Planned development, the comp plan amendment. One of the items discussed was the Long. known dangerous curve in Shady Hills Road. And although they won't be immediately. Changing that curve, they are giving the right of way for the county to fix that curve, so that's a start. The other thing is when you first came before us you Your one of your complaints was

   54:44that there are no sidewalks along Shady Hills Road and although this developer can't be expected to build a sidewalk from State Road fifty two up to um state road fifty or something, or I'm sorry, up to County Line Road. This is a start. They're providing this eight foot trail, they're providing connectivity to Cruise Lake Park and ultimately to the middle school and this is how these things Start. And I would urge you to keep coming to these meetings. You you

   55:14are being heard and there are things that are happening as a result of the concerns you've expressed and the comments your group is making. So continue to do it and I'm sure you're gonna see the progress that you're hoping for.

   Pastor Jim

   55:27It that remains a concern and and a fiscal responsibility along with you know in putting in sidewalks and then needing to tear them out to expand the road. as a result of the traffic. So

   Moody

   55:43I understand and there's engineering complications that go with these and I mean all I could say to that is Rome was not built in a day.

   Connected City

   55:52Understand. It's incremental.

   GreyChair

   55:55All right. Well thank you very much for coming. You're always welcome. Sure.

   56:02Okay. Any other comments? Barbara, do you have a Any response to those questions?

   Barbara Wilhite

   56:09Chair Barbara Wilhite for the applicant. Yes, we do have significant right-of-way coming from this project because the alignment goes all onto the west side of the project. With regard to our timing and phasing analysis, this project was not required to do a timing and phasing analysis because, as you can tell, the trip reduction by 74%, there's no reason to do a timing and phasing analysis. However, my client, again hearing the concerns, just like we did this without being asked, they hired Steve Henry to do an analysis, and he did the traffic analysis, and it was reviewed

   56:39by staff, and the levels of service are acceptable. He can, of course. Go through that and he goes through it the same. You know, he's it's Steve Henry, he's very dry and boring with this traffic stuff.

   GreyChair

   56:52I was thinking the same thing.

   Barbara Wilhite

   56:55I would say that where mobility fees are around three million dollars. The other kind of unique condition that we were requested by uh the chairman of the Board of County Commissioners. Condition number seventy-five, we're holding back uh multifamily apartments, garden style multifamily apartments on the west side for three years to hopefully give the county the opportunity to to do um sidewalk from the your school, the northern school, um up to County Line Road. So the property owner has agreed to kind of participate in that and hold

   57:25back their apartments um the multifamily garden style for a period of three years until or until the county gets uh either an eight eight foot path From um Mary Gialla up to I think it's Mary GL up to Kyline Road. So that's a little unique. Um regarding a meeting, I n I never attend meetings and requests for meetings always go unheard because I only did thirty-six of them for Saddlebrook. Um nobody's ever approached me for a meeting. So with that, um we hope we have your approval. Thank you. Okay,

   GreyChair

   57:53thank you very much. Okay. Nobody else to speak. Uh

   58:00Have a motion? So moved. Second. Okay, so we have a motion to approve uh the application as submitted. And as recommended by the staff. We only have a second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? I sign.

   58:20Okay.

3. 3Aug 22, 2023
   Board of County CommissionersP64Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

   Zoning Amendment (Consent) (Continuance) - Greenfield/Del Webb River … for the Development of 21,600 21,000 SF Office, 32,000 SF … 160,000 SF Light Industrial, 171 Townhomes (Platted), 304 Multi-Family Apartments, 40 Townhomes, 435 Multi- Family Units, and 730 Age Restricted … on Approximately 557.46 Acres

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   MarianoChair

   1:32:21P sixty four, another continuance?

   Starkey

   1:32:23Advertised in the Tampa Bay Times July fifth, twenty twenty three.

   Denise

   1:32:26P D twenty three seven six six two Greenfield Del Webb Del Webb Reserve M PUD the item is a requested continue the item to the September nineteenth, twenty twenty three, Board of County Commissioners meeting at one thirty in Newport Ritchie.

   Starkey

   1:32:40Is it September twenty-second or September nineteenth? I have on my agenda September nineteenth.

   MarianoChair

   1:32:49Move continuous, September nineteenth. Yep, September nineteenth, you're right. Okay, move to continue, time certain. Do have a second.

   Starkey

   1:32:57Thank you. District one, Commissioner Oakley. Aye. District two, Commissioner Weightman. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Bradford. District five Chairman Mariano.

4. 4Sep 19, 2023
   Board of County CommissionersP79Public hearingApproved

   Approved minutes

   Approved to reconsider the first vote on Agenda item P79.

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   MarianoChair

   1:53:38Second. And all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. Now M P seventy nine.

   Starkey

   1:53:49Item oh I already said that. Never mind. I already gave it.

   MarianoChair

   1:53:52Yes you did. So if you're in it from staff?

   Amy Heiler

   1:54:03Good afternoon, Amy Toll with Planning and Development. Uh go ahead and move forward with the item before you. Uh are we looking for a presentation as well on this one?

   MarianoChair

   1:54:12No, I just wanted to get a clarification. I believe I read in here something about getting a reduction in mobility fees. Um I talked to the applicant for they're willing to pay the normal mobility fees, so Um I'll have them come up and then I'm not sure. Talk to that, but I'm okay

   1:54:26with

   1:54:26anyone else need a presentation? Okay. No.

   OakleyVice Chair

   1:54:29Dale web products, sir.

   MarianoChair

   1:54:32Yeah.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:54:34Barbara Will High 6327 Grand Boulevard, New Port Richey for the applicant. Um the conditions that we would revise would be condition 51 and 54. Currently they was make uh the project um have to do mudderum on the west side. And so we would if it was the board's pleasure, we would revise fifty-one and fifty. Four.

   1:55:03To remove the requirement to do moderum.

   MarianoChair

   1:55:05Okay. I

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:55:07understand we understand the the district commissioner's concerns about infrastructure. Um so we understand the request.

   MarianoChair

   1:55:14Very good. And I think if if the people in Shooting was funded, we pass this with them not paying the fees to go get the infrastructure in place, it would be a bad uh faith on our part. So Someone to speak to this? Uh is anyone here to speak to this item? P seventy nine. Anyone on WebEx?

   Starkey

   1:55:29So there's no one on WebEx but I'll do a call out again for Daniel Sissel. Nope.

   MarianoChair

   1:55:35Seeing no one will call public comment? Move, approve. With the noted conditions? Yes. With noted conditions. Okay. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Hang on. Did you want to say something?

   OakleyVice Chair

   1:55:47Well I uh thank you Mr. Chairman. Just just for the the sake of history and so the and for clarification The uh request to For the mobility fees is to remove the mudaram from the From the application. The reason why I'm asking is because this this project has uh already approvals on the books in which waterarm was required uh throughout the entire project and The area that Madam was applied to was uh greatly

   1:56:17reduced in this update here. And so uh I don't think that there would be an issue with uh removing the mobility fee incentive in order to use those mobility fees uh locally. But I just wanted a clarification that removing mudarum also means removing the design aspect of it of of that part of the land development code.

   Starkey

   1:56:39Well what does that mean?

   MarianoChair

   1:56:41So in and my my objective was to get full impact fee paid, uh especially when you got compromised on Mudderim anyway, but frankly this area here to get this project to come forward should pay the full mobility fees if you want to keep Mutterim, I'm I'm good with that. What's I just thought it just

   OakleyVice Chair

   1:56:59went there anyway.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:57:02So mudderum is an incentified uh land use. Right. It costs money to do a mudderum project and that's why the county incentivize it by lowering the mobility fees. To say we have to do mudderum but then we don't get the lower mobility fee Wouldn't be fair. Or reasonable. So We're okay with not doing mudderum. um in developing our western development area. We're fine with doing that. Taking out the requirement to do mudderum. But to say we gotta do mudderum but then we can't have the fee incentive would be a burden on this project. What would that mean

   1:57:32you're taking out?

   Starkey

   1:57:34We're taking out the requirement to do moderum. No. And what would does that mean take that you would not be doing that you would have been doing?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:57:42Mudderm has a whole list of things, compact development area, street block sizes. I mean, there's a whole list of things you have to do, parking requirements. I I think you better watch what you're walking into.

   Weightman

   1:57:56Well I th I to the Chair's point, What he's doing. The recommendation is This growth needs to pay for itself. Otherwise they keep getting breaks we're gonna keep having to ask people that have lived here for a long time to pay for these new people to come in. So it's I appreciate what he's trying to do and that's that's what we're that's the objective here. So How these two are married

   1:58:26together. Terry. Uh We gotta clean that up, I guess. Somehow that's possible. I don't I don't know.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:58:37This is probably a question that David is better apt to answer than I am, but this is mixed use trip reduction methodology. It would seem that if you require mudderum you will have less trips On the roads and that's what this area wants.

   1:59:00Whether or not they're paying a lower fee. The idea is to get the is not to impact them as much. So I would think you would want the Mudderim project to stay in. But David is really the expert in the

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:59:15So you've gen you've generally stated it correctly, yes. If they're doing Mudarim they're putting less trips they're capturing more trips internally. through and they're taking more more trips or traveling through walking, biking, etcetera. It's less cars on the road if you're doing Motorone.

   MarianoChair

   1:59:33Let's let's talk to you know what I think we need a

   1:59:39An engineer can tell you it's gonna be less trips, but will it really be?

   Weightman

   1:59:42We currently have enough in there now and you're adding something, so it's kind of a conundrum.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:59:49The project is generating more trips. There's no question that the project is generating trips. That's why we assess mobility fees to the project. But if you're comparing a standard non Mudderum project to a Mudderum project The mudarum is generally going to generate less vehicle miles on the road. because it's gonna have have more walkability. more ability to have commercial uses next to the residential so you can walk to the grocery store as opposed to getting in your car and driving

   2:00:19to the grocery store. It's mixed use trip reduction measures for a reason. It's

   Starkey

   2:00:24We should have that anyway.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:00:25It's reducing trips on the external network.

   Starkey

   2:00:28But not discount.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:00:29I'm not saying the board has to have that. You could have standard development.

   2:00:32No.

   2:00:33And it's gonna generate More trips.

   MarianoChair

   2:00:38Okay. And again back to the reason I wanted to talk this through and I'm glad we're having it and Terry you can talk about the things uh that they're not doing that's moderam related. Um so we'll have to have more presentation, what things will be taken out. Because literally With all that's going on in the up in this area. Between residential, commercial, even the apartments are not gonna come in for three years down the road until the sidewalks built to Conline Road. This infrastructure is an issue out there. It's a great thing that's happening. We're creating a lot of jobs out there, a lot of

   2:01:08opportunities, but at the same time, we need to have the money in for infrastructure. So Terry, if you could talk about the reductions that have already been made for Mutterham?

   OakleyVice Chair

   2:01:23We'll just wait a second for the presentation to come up.

   MarianoChair

   2:01:29So Barbara, I'll give I'll give you a chance to come back up, but I wanted to hear what what reductions from Mutterim has already been done.

   OakleyVice Chair

   2:01:40Okay, so I won't run through the whole presentation. Um In short, the purpose is to allow For mixed use development of 171 townhomes, 304 multifamily apartments, 730 age restricted single family detached and attached units. And 21,600 square feet of office with 160,000 square feet of industrial and 32,000 square feet of commercial retail. That's where it's located in the county. Um this is the general aerial of the area. With the

   2:02:11zoning and the future land use, which was on earlier on the agenda, which cleaned all that up to P D. Uh and so in this map we're going to reorient ourselves and look to the left as being north. Um So I'm gonna turn the presentation over really quick to Amy to illustrate What was previously, what's currently in the comprehensive plan, or what was previously in the comprehensive plan in terms of development and where Mutterham

   2:02:41was targeted previously and how that's been reduced.

   Amy Heiler

   2:02:48Mm. Good afternoon, Amy Toll, Planning and Development. So just for perspective, and the actual approved Mutram Plan is going to be in the Comprehensive Plan PowerPoint. But however, there's actually an approved Mutram plan on this entire site that was approved in 2015. And so it's still fairly new given the environment that we're in. So what you'll see Here is is the mushroom component, which would present, it

   2:03:18would be like mushroom is around this area, this area, this area, and this area. So what's being proposed now is just maintaining that mushroom component in this pink area. So that's where we went through the levels of negotiation to ensure that we still kind of retain that uh trip reduction generation methodology, ensure that we can maintain the capacity on Shady Hills Road and still allow for the proposed type of

   2:03:48development to occur as well. So

   MarianoChair

   2:03:52Specifically what's different.

   Amy Heiler

   2:03:54Different is so the pink area is what's being proposed now. The Mutterum was if we can go to the actual.

   2:04:06Yes

   MarianoChair

   2:04:07will happen with Mutterum as opposed to not happening without Mudder.

   Amy Heiler

   2:04:10Gotcha. So in the actual we don't have like though that level of detail in the comprehensive or in the conditions of approval as is. The conditions of approval just say the much room shall be located in this general area as depicted. However, there is already an approved Mutroom plan. So there's a level of of capacity.

   OakleyVice Chair

   2:04:32The mudarm plan itself is going to be developed at the site plan uh stage of review. And what it's going to include is specific types of block sizes, a mix of uses. It's going to um influence the placement of buildings and the frequency of those buildings in the urban design of the area that uh that's going to be built. Um Not having mudroom would mean your more typical suburban layout with With buildings

   2:05:03that are sort of set back typically away from the street, parking between the building and the street, um, uh less frequency of the buildings, longer block lengths, uh if a block can can be managed uh within those settings. Um Um

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   2:05:25Here's the connectivity.

   Starkey

   2:05:27Yeah, I think this

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   2:05:28is important. You know. Yeah, uh one of the main factors of Mudderum is is the overall design is intended to put a lot of different uses within a short distance to encourage people to walk and use other means to get there or drive internally without going out onto County Road.

   2:05:45All of that put together, there's a number, there's an entire code section that deals with that and how you achieve that. And the the plan that was approved was based on that code section that that uh I believe the the trip generation that Steve can can speak to talks to that a little bit and how that internal capture occurs. Uh but it it's essentially uh creating an environment that encourages other means of travel or shorter means of travel without going out onto those other roads, which theoretically reduces trips on those roads and achieves

   2:06:15the same purpose that we were talking about. Can I

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:06:18have discount Dave the discount we give to Mutterham is about a twenty five percent discount to standard fees? I will point out that it pales in comparison to what we give to light industrial. Light industrial discount that we're giving to this project is A hundred percent discount.

   MarianoChair

   2:06:36So it's a twenty-five percent discount.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:06:38Moderam is a twenty-five percent discount. Two standard fees. So I don't think you're gonna be recouping a lot of money. By eliminating the butter of discount.

   Starkey

   2:06:49But but but I think you're on to something and I think we should require this anyway. But that's something we have to discuss and changes.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:06:58That wouldn't be a project. It's not something we could do here.

   2:07:02Exactly. Exactly.

   MarianoChair

   2:07:04All right, let's put let's bring it back to the board. I think with the twenty five percent deduct reduction I can I can deal with the improvements that we'll get in here. here. I thought it was in a higher number, so What's I'm okay to approve it as submitted by staff. I'll make that motion. Get a motion at a second? Yes.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:07:22So the the approval is for staff recommendation. Staff recommendation.

   MarianoChair

   2:07:26Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:07:27Thank you. All in favor say

   MarianoChair

   2:07:29aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. And and thank you to the applicant for listening.

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   MarianoChair

   2:21:01All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. We'll go back to our consent agenda. Mr.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:21:07Chairman Mariano Clerk's Office has raised an a concern um

   2:21:16That you double voted seventy nine. Yes. My recollection was a little bit more. No.

   2:21:25Um so my recollection was the chair tried to stop the vote when Mr. Pitos approached the podium. and then you had much dialogue and then voted for staff recommendation.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   2:21:39Correct.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:21:41I believe I confirmed that that was what that motion was. I don't just so the just

   2:21:51You can see that. Reconsider your first motion would be the appropriate would be the appropriate vote.

   Weightman

   2:21:59Who made the motion? Uh

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:22:01anybody anybody on the prevailing sale sign? It would be just to reconsider the first vote on on 79.

   Starkey

   2:22:12Commissioner Oakley's motion was the first one.

   MarianoChair

   2:22:14Okay. So do you want to make a motion to reconsider? Yes, I'll make a motion to reconsider. Second. Second. All in favor say aye. Aye.

   OakleyVice Chair

   2:22:23Aye. Now can we call for the From another motion. And we have to have a motion. You

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:22:29you normally would, but you now have a motion that has been adopted for that item, and I think we just leave we just leave it there.

   Starkey

   2:22:37I agree.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:22:37And it was for

   Starkey

   2:22:37clarification for the record, so I appreciate it.

   MarianoChair

   2:22:39Thank you.