PDD-24-7726

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1. 1Nov 2, 2023
   Planning CommissionPC6Consent agendaNo disposition in the minutes

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   Liam Devine

   14:48Okay. Okay, the next item on the list is PC five. We do have members of the public here registered to speak against that, so if we can pull that item. And then the next item is PC 6, PDD 24-7726. It is a zoning amendment in Cherry Hall West, MPUD, Master Plan Unit Development, Veterans of Foreign Wars of US Major Francis E. Dade Post 4283. at all. It's a rezoning request from an AR agricultural residential

   15:18district to a MPUD Master Plan Unit Development District to allow for the maximum development of 160 single family detached dwellings. This is coming with recommendation for approval with conditions as provided in your agenda packet.

   Charles GreyChair

   15:31All right, so I can present.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   15:34Anyone here

   Liam Devine

   15:34to object?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   15:36Okay, see no objections.

   Liam Devine

   15:38PC seven PDD twenty four-seven seven four seven. It's a zoning amendment in the name of Clyde J. Keys, Aaron Cutoff. It's a change in zoning from an I-2 General Industrial Park District to an I-1 Light Industrial Park District and an I-2 General Industrial Park District. Um this is coming with a recommendation for approval with a voluntary agreed upon deed restriction as provided in your agenda packet.

   Charles GreyChair

   16:04All right, the applicant present. Anyone here to object? See no objections?

   Christopher Poole

   16:10Mr Chair, I'd actually like to hear this one if we could.

   Charles GreyChair

   16:15Okay.

   Liam Devine

   16:17PC eight. PDD 24-7669. It's a zoning amendment in the name of Hamilton Oakes, MPUD, Master Plan Unit Development, Stephanie V. Benson, William D. Brown, et al. A rezoning request from AC Agricultural District to an MPUD Master Plan Unit Development District to allow for a maximum development of 240 single-family detached dwellings. This is coming with a recommendation for approval with conditions as provided in your agenda packet.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   16:47Okay, exactly present. Anyone here to object?

   Liam Devine

   16:52Seeing no

   Charles GreyChair

   16:52objections.

   Liam Devine

   16:54PC nine, you're sitting as the local planning agency for this item. It's P D D twenty four-zero zero two one is a small scale comprehensive plan amendment. C Pass twenty-two twenty-eight New River Hawk providing a small scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map, map two-fifteen, and sheet twenty-two, changing from res three, residential three dwelling units per gross acre to res six six or residential six dwelling units per acre on approximately tw twenty eight point two three acres

   17:25of real property located at the southeast intersection of the Ashton Oaks Boulevard in State Road fifty four. This is coming with a recommendation for approval. All

   Charles GreyChair

   17:33right

   Liam Devine

   17:33is the applicant present you

   Charles GreyChair

   17:35want here to object. See no objections? Yeah.

   Liam Devine

   17:46Okay, is that the last consent? That's the last consent item. PC ten and PC nine will be or PC ten and PC eleven will be regular items.

   Charles GreyChair

   17:54Okay. Um So do I have a motion to approve the consent agenda as amended?

   Christopher Poole

   18:02I will make the motion to approve the consent agenda consisting of PC six, PC eight and PC nine. Second.

   Charles GreyChair

   18:13We have a motion. We have a second. Any further discussion on the motion? All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Like sign? All right, let's go back to PC five.

2. 2Dec 5, 2023
   Board of County CommissionersP74Public hearingContinued

   Zoning Amendment (Consent) (Continuance) – Cherry Hills West … Family Detached Dwelling Units

   Approved minutes

   Approved to continue the item to the January 9, 2024 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in Dade City with Commissioner Bradford absent from the vote.

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   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:02:37I'll be happy to, Mr. Chairman. There are two rezoning agendas, regular and consent. Staff will present each application to the Board of County Commissioners. If staff or Planning Commission has recommended approval, and there is no opposition, the application will be considered by the board without further presentation. If the staff or planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application The applicant will be given five minutes for presentation. The opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative.

   2:03:08And the applicant will be given Three minutes for rebuttal. Any individual disagreeing with staff or planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning? May at this time request. A petition be pulled from the consent agenda, in which case that application will be heard on the regular agenda later on during the meeting. Otherwise, all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote. If you wish to speak to any petition, please

   2:03:38give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record. These are quasi-judicial public hearing. The law in Florida is the mere public support. or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action. Please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's list.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:03:56All right, thank you. Okay.

   Ron OakleyVice Chair

   2:04:01Uh P seventy four.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:04:03P seventy four was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times October eighteenth, twenty twenty-three.

   Denise

   2:04:09P74 is PDD 247726. This is a zoning amendment, Cherry Hills West MPUD, Master Plan Unit Development. The request is to continue the item to the January 9th, 2024, Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in Dade City.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:04:25There is no one signed up. Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:04:28It's a continuance. It's been advertised as a continuance. Okay. Move to continue time certain.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:04:34No, what do we have to

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:04:36do?

   Ron OakleyVice Chair

   2:04:37We have

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:04:37to.

   Ron OakleyVice Chair

   2:04:40Does anyone here speak to it? It does it

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:04:42you don't have to take public comment. It's been advertised as a continuance.

   Ron OakleyVice Chair

   2:04:47So we have a motion and a second

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:04:49to continue. Do you have a second?

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:04:51Yes.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:04:54Yeah. I thought she said no, do we have to? I didn't think I'd vote

3. 3Jan 9, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP71Public hearingContinued

   Approved minutes

   Approved to continue the item to the March 12, 2024 Board of County Commissioner meeting at 1:30 p.m. in Dade City with Commissioner Bradford absent from the vote.

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   Kathryn Starkey

   1:46:03Okay, P seventy one was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on October eighteenth, twenty twenty-three.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:46:10Is is there anyone

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:46:13There are individuals signed up.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:46:16So are they against this project?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:46:19Yeah.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:46:22Do you want a presentation first? Do you want a presentation on that? Yeah,

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:46:25well

   Planning and Development staff

   1:46:25presentation first.

   1:46:28Good afternoon, William Vermillion Planning and Development. Uh this is item P seventy one, Cherry Hill's West MPV. uh PDD 247726. This is a general location map in the county of where this project is located, right outside of Dade City. This is a zoning amendment from agricultural residential to master planning development to allow for a maximum development of 160 single-family detached units on approximately 34

   1:46:59acres. It runs alongside VFW Road, approximately 275 feet south of County Road 52.

   1:47:08Here is the aerial location map.

   1:47:15The existing zoning map showing AR.

   1:47:21The future land use map indicating Res 6.

   1:47:26Here is a contextual map to show the overall location. uh the subject site in its proximity to Dade City, Saint Leo and that school there on County Road 52.

   1:47:42Here is the master plan for this development. You'll notice the the VFW will not change in any way. Um It will not change along with this development. It had its club license and alcohol license approved by the Board of County Commissioners in 1975, and that runs in perpetuity with the VFW.

   1:48:06Utilities for this project will also be provided by Date City. And with that, this comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions from Planning and Development and the Planning Commission.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:48:21Who's util who's providing utilities?

   Planning and Development staff

   1:48:23Uh this will be Dade City. They're in the Dade City service uh area. And prior to site plan, they're gonna enter into agreement with Dade City to make sure they have all the capacity.

   Seth Weightman

   1:48:35What are the neighboring log sizes?

   Planning and Development staff

   1:48:37So the neighboring lot sizes

   Seth Weightman

   1:48:39What number size is?

   Planning and Development staff

   1:48:42There are we zoom out here. Uh across the street you have Abbey Glenn, which is fifties and sixties at a higher density that's proposed here. That's right under six uh dwelling units per acre. This one comes out to be about four point six nine dwelling units per acre. Uh additionally, uh you can't see it here but To the east of Dade City there's another development uh that comes in at seven hundred dwelling units on approximately 150

   1:49:12acres, which is also roughly four point six dwelling units, and that's also your forties, fifties, and sixties.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:49:20Okay, I have a question. Uh Ms. Leighton, do you mind? Go

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:49:24ahead.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:49:24Um so where is this in relation to the Orange Belt Trail?

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:49:29Uh this is um east of

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:49:33No I think the Orange Belt Trail comes into Saint Leo and

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:49:36then turns up fifty two I think this is east of Happy Hill Road if I'm not mistaken on County Road fifty.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:49:43Right. So that's Smith Road right there running parallel to Saint Leo and then Prosser Road is your other north and south that connects to County Road. I really

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:49:50need to see that as part of the application. I think we we need to have that to be on the application. Where is it in proximity to the to, you know?

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:50:02But this is important County Road 52 and it's east of uh Happy Hill Road.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:50:09This does not uh the Orange Bell Trail does not run along this portion of the development.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:50:15It stops on that year.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:50:17And they proceeds north.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:50:18So it goes north? Yeah. So are there no campy hill isn't

   1:50:21it?

   1:50:21So are there no plans to continue along this road to the high school or anything, or we're just gonna go to a regular sidewalk after that?

   Planning and Development staff

   1:50:32Well, right now this is just the uh the two lanes on County Road fifty two and it's only a hundred feet of ride away right now, so I'm not sure

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:50:42I just someone needs to start looking at this stuff or I mean we need to have a plan. 'Cause this

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:50:49we are looking at them Commissioner, but this only has a hundred feet. Uh so if there's gonna be a a larger application of a trail or a sidewalk system This would not achieve much of that network.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:51:03Well,

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:51:04you

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:51:04know what, I think the orange belt is wider, is is it's like the Penellus trail, right? It's it's a wider trail. It's your main spine. But your feet are network to it. D while it doesn't have to be as wide as that, it shouldn't be as wide as that. It should be more than a sidewalk because people are gonna wanna get to it. So you just need to have Some kind of plan.

   Stephanie Lefieu

   1:51:30along a road like that. as development comes in. So I think it should be more than five feet. Do you have five feet right now?

   Planning and Development staff

   1:51:40Yeah.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:51:43Nothing?

   Planning and Development staff

   1:51:44Yeah, uh it would be required by the Land Development Code. As it exists now, there's nothing because it's just that two-lane road and there's a pretty substantial slope on each side of the road that's being used in training. There's a lot of things.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:52:03So you're ready when it comes when that opportunity comes.

   1:52:08I see your county engineer walking.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:52:11The well the the part of that uh fifty-two on the north side there is is slope. There's no land for uh for walking on the

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:52:20Walk Martin on the south side?

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:52:22Possibly could be sidewalks on the south side.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:52:25I mean Otherwise any kid that lives in there is gonna have to drive to school. Or Mm. Or how are they gonna get down to Saint Leo Commons? You know, it's is there an You need some kind of mobility on the side of that roof. You don't want people in the road in State Road fifty two, County Road fifty two walking or writing or pushing a stroller or whatever.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:52:48Yeah. That's something we're going to have to take a look at 'cause there's nothing from that point on in toward the high school. After the high school there's some sidewalk, but nothing I'm not sure. There may be some sidewalk at at the fairgrounds.

   1:53:04Yeah.

   1:53:07And that would be on the south side of Fitch II, County River 52.

   Seth Weightman

   1:53:14Question, Chairman

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:53:15question yes.

   Seth Weightman

   1:53:16Thank you Chair. How how did you come up with Res 6?

   Planning and Development staff

   1:53:21Uh I d I didn't come up with res six the comprehensive plan did. That's just the the current future land use for this area is residential six.

   Seth Weightman

   1:53:28I mean that's I'm not

   1:53:33That's that's not what the neighboring properties are throughout here, is it?

   Planning and Development staff

   1:53:39Yeah, well I mean I I just mentioned the those neighborhoods that are at a higher density or equal density, just on the same road as this. As well as the surrounding area is also res six.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:53:51There are some smaller home lights there on that road, so

   Jack Mariano

   1:53:59Mr. Chairman?

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:54:00Yes.

   Jack Mariano

   1:54:01We get Dayton City right on the border of it, and we've seen what they've done. Oh yeah, they're annex it

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:54:06and sell all the dirt off.

   Jack Mariano

   1:54:08And put a put put more density on it as well, so.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:54:15We need to have a discussion with them by the way.

   1:54:21Did um did you did our county engineer want to say anything?

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:54:26This was all red sex.

   1:54:29Because

   Sun Coast

   1:54:30that's the only designation that's being shown on this planet. Good afternoon, Nick Uran, County Engineer. Um we're in the middle of the P D and E study for Orange Developed Trailer. So we definitely want to construct a facility that will provide the connectivity that you're envisioning. Uh but we haven't nailed down any of the details yet.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:54:46Yeah, so if we approve this without any consideration of making sure we have something on the north, we've shot ourselves in the foot. So I would wanna make sure that we have. I that the uh that we have something.

   1:55:04What so? Sorry.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:55:08See that to your left is this is the north side, to the right is the south side.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:55:19And there's there's a sidewalk there. And then what? It just stops?

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:55:24Well it runs across that business right there, which is Not a busy area there. I don't know where this does the sidewalk continue on down the road? Do we know?

   1:55:40Doesn't look like there's any there.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:55:42No no there's a little one. It's the old fashioned four foot.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:55:45Okay.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:55:46And I I think that's the right-of-way.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:55:48So that goes down probably to that station I'm seeing up on the right.

   1:55:56I don't know if it goes past. Oh there it is. Yeah.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:56:00So so So

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:56:01it's on the south side of County Road.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:56:03Well I see one on the north side too.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:56:06Well probably where it can be like that, it is, but then where it's really sloped there's no room for

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:56:11recycling. So I just It's just kind of calling out that what's the plan. And so we need to know what we want that to look like in the future and just slowly arrive at our vision.

   Mike Carballa

   1:56:28Well that sounds like from what Mr Erin says that we are doing the P D and E study to figure out where we're going to align said trail. We don't have that answer today. Um but

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:56:38you

   Mike Carballa

   1:56:38know,

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:56:39Okay, but I don't think this is where we talked I think the orange belt turns north before here on the proposed alignment, is that right? No, it doesn't go up Happy Hill now that I'm thinking about it.

   Sun Coast

   1:56:50I think it's on this court. On the north side. I I think the board right now envisions it being on the north side of County Road

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:56:56fifty

   Sun Coast

   1:56:57two.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:56:57I think it's on the north side here, actually.

   Mike Carballa

   1:56:59Well the PDE provides options, right? And alternatives, so it it may or may not until the board finally adopts it when when it's complete. So

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:57:08Well I'd love for it to go into San Antonio. I think the people are gonna ride there anyway. But um I just think that when developments come in They need to show proximity to even if it's the proposed route. So that we We're not hurting ourselves. You know, we sold off we sold off that railroad right away. That we should never have. And I asked it to stop and apparently some were

   1:57:38still going through. So um Com I think Commissioner Mariano wants to say something.

   Jack Mariano

   1:57:44I'm just gonna say it w it's gonna be what, a five foot sidewalk sidewalk now or four foot?

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:57:48It's four foot, I think it's the old kind.

   Jack Mariano

   1:57:55For that hundred feet just may just ask him to put an eight foot in.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:57:58Yeah, or just uh just even reserve the right to get it if we need it. That's that's what I'm saying.

   Planning and Development staff

   1:58:12The applicant said they're they're fine adding a condition reserving that right for that for the eight foot on the uh specifically on the part along County Road fifty two that they control.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:58:25I think the orange belt's wider than eight foot, but anyway.

   1:58:30If i if if it's an additional eight foot to a four foot then you got the twelve. So

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:58:41Okay. Are you

   1:58:43questions answered?

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:58:44Yeah, that was my question. Okay.

   Jack Mariano

   1:58:46Uh let me make a motion for approval. Public over here. You got applicant

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:58:52presentation, you got public open.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:58:55Do you want to do the applicant first or

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:58:57Yeah. Applicant first. Yeah.

   What

   1:59:03Thank you. Shelley Johnson, 6400 Madison Street, and I have been sworn. I am the applicant's representative. We uh obviously support the staff's recommendation of approval as well as the Planning Commission's recommendation for approval and All of the conditions as well as the additional um condition that was just added. We have no issues with that. Um but I am here to answer any questions. I know that we do have a couple um residents here that had some questions that live you know down the road. So I'm here to answer questions and so is our traffic engineer. So Okay. All right.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:59:33Okay, you have two individuals signed up. Mary of McKnight, then followed by Irene Losat. Um and when you come to this the podium to speak, please state your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn.

   Mary Mcknight

   1:59:46Yes, I have something I hope to that you will approve to receive and file.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:59:51Sorry.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:59:52All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. You can hand it to the class.

   Mary Mcknight

   1:59:56Thank you.

   1:59:59I have been sworn in. My name is Mary McKnight at [address removed]. Before the November second Planning Board meeting at which this project was passed, there had been no valid proof that a public notice sign had been posted on Cherry Hills. I want Cherry Hills heard again by the County Planning Board of County Com To allow citizens a chance to voice concerns because if they hadn't known about the project, how could they have come

   2:00:29to speak? Last October I traveled up the BFW road. Uh Dade City had mentioned that Rolling Hills 2 was under the planning process, and I know finding access points can be an issue. So I assume that Erin Likens was trying to find another access for one of her projects contiguous to this. But on that visit I noticed there were no public notice signs. I call Mr. Vermillion to say that Aaron had failed

   2:00:59to post any signs. And I was totally surprised when he told me that Aaron Likens was not involved at all. Now a surprise because the folks at the VFW said they were selling Erin Lycans the lot across the street. Uh Beacon Civil Engineering did the plans for the project. She is their registered agent. The entity requesting the plans for Cherry Hills was Quill one one five, for which Erin Likens is also the registered agent. And

   2:01:30she has every right to be involved with this project, but her name is strangely absent from the paperwork. At any rate, the neighbors said they'd only heard about this project from a Facebook page. Mr Bromillion produced a copy of an affidavit attesting to the fact that the signs were indeed posted. The top page of my handout to you shows this affidavit. At the top it says Lori Burkaw, authorized representative. I assume the county has documentation showing

   2:02:00that the named applicants, the PFW and the Trust, have indeed made Laurie Burkhaw their authorized representative. Secondly, there's an X under the attachment section indicating that a photo of the sign was attached to this affidavit as proof of posting, but no photo was attached. Now this is the most inter disturbing part to me. The notary of this affidavit was Aaron Likens. Sort of statute explicitly stipulates that a notary public may not

   2:02:31notarize a document of a spouse. Flori Burkaw is Erin Lycan's spouse. Nor can she notarize anything for which she has a financial interest. She did both. This rendered the affidavit totally invalid. This was pointed out to Mr. Vermillion. As I understand it, the county asked Beacon to provide another affidavit one that was properly notarized. Right away a sign did appear and Mr. Brumillion received

   2:03:01a photo of it. although it has been face down on the ground since that day. This all occurred after Cherry Hills West had been approved under the Planning Board consent agenda. One last paragraph. I asked that the process be started over at the Planning Board stage. Not one person may show up, but that is not the point. The point is that this board shows citizens that it respects their right to proper public notice and that the commission demands integrity and professionalism

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:03:31from all stakeholders. Thank you.

   2:03:34Thank you. Next person.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:03:37All right. Irene Losat.

   2:03:41Again as you approach the podium name and address and state whether or not you've been sworn.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   2:03:49Irene Losat, [address removed]. I actually am one of the sworn? What? Have you been sworn? I have. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Um, I am actually one of the neighbors that lives in one of the neighboring uh right around the corner from this development. I don't necessarily oppose this uh project. However, I have to agree there was no notice. Um I spoke to Vermillion

   2:04:20several times about the noticing issue. Um I was one of those neighbors that saw the post on Facebook showing that there was going to be a planning board. Um there was no sign. I drive by that the VFW every single day to go back and forth to work. There was no sign. The minute that I mentioned it to Mr. Vermillion, the very next morning I spoke to him and I said, Did you happen to speak

   2:04:51to um the applicants? And he said, Yes. I said, Well, 'cause now there's a sign. The sign appeared the very next day after he spoke to them. That sign is today still laying on the ground. The problem that I have with this project is it's so congested in that one area with Abbey Glen across the street, you've got Heritage Hills on the other side. You have the Sheriff's Office substation right

   2:05:21there. The forestry department us trying to get in and out of our neighborhood, you've got the fair and you got Pasco County High School. All of that, there are times when the fair or anything is going on at that time, we will be sitting there for an hour or more waiting to be able to get into our road to go home. after we've worked all day. Adding more in that area. It

   2:05:52it doesn't make sense to me. Another thing is if this is to be approved, we are requesting or I'm requesting that the stub-outs be removed. that something in the documents would require that the stub outs from Cherry Hill not be allowed to go into the subdivision of Rolling Hills. Well that may may I well isn't a common time. I'll speak after it. Because we

   2:06:22have a legal easement that is our ingress and egress that right now it's on appeal with the city of Dave City. So that has not been decided as of right now. So rather than uh we would just like to eliminate those stub outs so we wouldn't have the traffic coming through our easement. That is our ingress and egress that's on our deeds. Thank you.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:06:50Okay, thank you. Anyone else to speak to this item?

   2:06:56See another one applicant comport on it. Got a question.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:07:00And I'll have a question after that. Mr.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   2:07:03Chairman Mariano.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:07:05Oh, I didn't see 'em coming forward.

   Pastor Jim

   2:07:10Can you give your name and address and state whether or not you've been sworn? Jen Kerouac, [address removed]. I just happen to know you have been sworn? Yes, I have been sworn. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Um I just noticed um according to and I I could be wrong, uh, but 158.185 purpose of an MPUD uh shows a requirement of fifty acres. I just noticed this acreage was thirty-four, so um I just

   2:07:41wanted to point that out. It looked as if it didn't meet the requirement for an MPUD.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:07:48Is I don't know the answer in that.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:07:50Denise.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:07:51Well, thank you.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:07:52Denise, can we answer that?

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:07:53Hm.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:07:54Is there anyone online?

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:07:56Yeah, was there anybody in there?

   2:07:59Okay.

   2:08:04I'm just curious, uh is this a for sale housing development?

   What

   2:08:08I'm sorry, what was that?

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:08:09Is it a for sale housing development or is it a rental?

   What

   2:08:13Um I don't know that there's an end buyer right now. Um because they haven't even I mean they're just going through the MPD process just like you know the other developers so um I don't know that there's an end buyer for this property right now, but it is a mix of the forties, fifties um you know lot size which is what this area is developing out around. I did actually I do have a Um and Exhibit if you want to see it that kind of shows you all the stuff that's going on around this property. But immediately I'd like to see the productivity of the roads. Immediately adjacent to the property is um Rolling Hills

   2:08:43One, which is in Dade City, and that's I I think William mentioned it, it's a seven hundred unit development with forty, fifties and sixties villas and townhomes. So um and they have access coming out on County Road fifty two.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:08:55Are the are they are they rental?

   What

   2:08:58Uh no, we don't have it's uh Lenar is the who is potentially buying that property. But we d that there's no we haven't closed on that property yet, as far as rolling hills.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:09:08So one of our rules and you know, th this is where we get in trouble when people say don't let them connect, then everyone is out on fifty two and no one can go anywhere. So we have to have connectivity um between a in a grid system around community. So what is the grid system around this?

   What

   2:09:28So Rolling Hills right now in the conceptual or not I'm sorry um Cherry Hill on the conceptual you can see that um we have stub outs to the north or to the east, to the west and to the south.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:09:39I I only see this. I don't have anything else. Yeah. So it's like it's on the MPD plate. Oh yeah, that was that that other one, right? That was Jones.

   What

   2:09:50Um the stub out to the east that will go into Rolling Hills One, which is that development I was just telling you about, they have access going out to County Road 52 and that is going to be a signalized intersection. Um so you'll have that access, which this will then be able to connect to, as well as the um access that it will have on County Road 52. Okay, very good. And then of course we just get for Western County Hill.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:10:13That road that's at the top of it, it just goes to the property line. There's no arrow. What is that? That's what you said.

   What

   2:10:19The road that's on top of

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:10:21the the north so see where the arrow is that goes to rolling hills and it Next and the dates it's a

   What

   2:10:28Yeah and w that would

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:10:29be to

   What

   2:10:30the east.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:10:31There's a road to the north of that. Yes. It has no arrow. Does that go does that is that a road that will one day maybe continue?

   What

   2:10:39Yeah, it will continue it it'll be connected into Rolling Hills and then Rolling Hills comes out on state road around County Road 52 at a signalized intersection section about a half a mile um west of the or east of this property.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:10:53Okay, and then the one connection to the west is future roadway there. Okay.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:11:00But the the access to this goes through another neighborhood?

   What

   2:11:05No. So we have access on County Road 52, which is what's shown right here. On this MPD. Yeah, but ca the staff did request that we provide stub outs to the west, which you can see that one have to do that. The east, which the east is where Rolling Hills is, and then to the south. Um and that east access actually will that that Rolling Hills, which is in Dade City, that development, that PD actually has another connection, it's signalized out to County Road fifteen. You too. Um so you'll

   2:11:35have that and then you'll have Happy Hill. So you'll have, you know, breaks in the signalization, but that is um the plan. That there will be connection with there. with that other development. Um there was a question about the affidavits. Um I didn't do the noticing but the affidavits have been provided. We did confirm with staff. Um the pictures were provided. My understanding from one of the residents who just came up to me while I was sitting there, I guess someone keeps pulling the sign down and he keeps putting it back up. um the m one of the members from the VFW. Um So

   2:12:07but the the posting, the affidavit, everything was provided as, you know Um So I don't know why they don't know. Do you guys have to take a photo of it when it's put up? They did, yes. They my the Beacon Engineering did it and they did provide the county a a photo of it. As long along with the affidavit saying that they did their mailing. So I'm not really sure why the assertion's being made that the noticing wasn't done, but was

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:12:31this project presented to uh Dade City?

   What

   2:12:35No, it's not. I think we've talked I think there's been I let me reiterate. Let me let me restate. I think we've had conversations that this has been talked about in relation to Rolling Hills and that we have it with the county, but no, we didn't we have never um submitted anything to Dade City for this development.

   2:12:55Yeah, no we haven't.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:12:57Right. No.

   What

   2:12:58It's It's right on the boundary, but no, it's always we've we've always been in the county on it, so

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:13:03Hmm. Any other questions?

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:13:07No, I just wanted that um to talk about the importance of connectivity because if every neighborhood only had fifty two to to move around in, it would be a parking lot. So um we've made the mistake before where we cancelled the connectivity. But it's much better if you have as many as possible for everybody.

   2:13:35If there were a crash on fifty-two. Like it should be. Get somewhere You could go through that. You know, we had a crash on fifty four. W well we had a a truck dump oil. cooking oil on fifty four and no one could go eas or west. Because there's no road going east to west, but stay road fifty four. So no one could get home, no one could get to these businesses, they lost it on the right. Yeah.

   What

   2:14:07I think that was the only issues or questions was the public noticing and so I'll be happy to answer any questions though.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:14:12So was it corrected about the uh notary and and then it's a fact that a notary came Can't notarize or uh you know up to the

   What

   2:14:20right-of-way. Yeah, my understanding is that is correct and ultimately. Is that

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:14:23still the way it is? I mean,

   What

   2:14:25no, I f they fixed it. My understanding is that that when it was brought to the county's attention they had the Applinco go back out and fix the affidavit and they had someone else notarize it. But the posting as required for noticing for the public was in fact done. And they they did provide that proof to the uh county staff.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:14:45I don't I just have an uneasy feeling about this project for some reason. So yes, sir. Mr. Weightman.

   Seth Weightman

   2:14:53the variety of reasons that we're talked about here today. I'm uneasy about 160 units or 34 acres with no connectivity. Everybody bottlenecking out in 52 with the project with the with the development across the street. Just I'm not sure if the if the densities that are proposed here or the right fit. And I understand Commissioner Mariano's point about the city date city annexing it in and

   2:15:24what they what they would what they would put on there. So it's kind of like worry I don't cut and then the connectivity point to Commissioner Starkey. No

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:15:31it needs the connectivity, yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   2:15:32It's

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:15:33like what

   Seth Weightman

   2:15:33almost

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:15:34it's got a lot. It's got four and cut the deck here.

   What

   2:15:36If you see the exhibit in uh we put it up um that I identifies all the existing surrounding development. Um like I said, Rolling Hills One is 700 units, uh 50 60s townhome villa. I know that Abbey Glenn's got 40s in it. Um and Rolling Hills 2, which is pending with Dade City right now, is going to be similar uh it to Rolling Hills One with regards to the lots and the mix of uses.

   Seth Weightman

   2:15:59I I I I'm concerned that this board making a decision today would compound Dade City's potential problem. Yeah.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:16:05Where is Happy Hill on this? It's to the west of the

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:16:09big to the west of the easy.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:16:12Is Summit View the Dade City One where they took off all the dirt?

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:16:19I can't be

   What

   2:16:20able to do that.

   2:16:20So there is i uh it actually if you look at the larger aerial, I don't know if there was an aerial in the PowerPoint, but if you look at the arger larger aerial you can see that this area is kind of surrounded by all this approved development that's coming online. So it's actually kind of an infill um with regards to what's actually going on, you know, gonna actually physically be going on on the ground around those properties, around this particular property. So it kind of sits in the middle of it all?

   Seth Weightman

   2:16:44So our our our minimum lot size we adopted the roll but it's forty five feet with sidebar set max at what seven feet?

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:16:52Dade C Dade City's is fifty.

   Seth Weightman

   2:16:54Uh Good point, Chairman Mariano. When when was this come in because this project doesn't even seem to be in compliant with our our rules during the community?

   What

   2:17:06Um it does have the condition in there that the board adopted. I don't know when um when Beacon filed this particular project, but it does actually have on if you look at condition 37 and 38, it actually has the county's position with regards to if we go above 50 percent on the 40s um that we have to actually do. Do the b the the rear load, you know, all that good stuff. Those conditions that you guys require are in the actual approval. So we are in compliance with the easy thing.

   Planning and Development staff

   2:17:45The conditions that we did have from it are the overall lot standards for the fifty foots that we saw, but they still were able to get the forty foot lots because they got those first round comments prior to the PM twenty six.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:17:59Okay, this um Who's gonna provide uh water and sappate to this to this project

   Planning and Development staff

   2:18:07of motion? Yes, that'll be Dade City.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:18:11Do you have that approval? Because the s the reason I'm asking is right now Dade City is uh cut several projects off their list right now on ho and put 'em on hold because they do not have capacity for For sewage or or water at this time.

   What

   2:18:27So Rolling Hills One, this this big development next to Cherry Hills, this one, um we actually have the capacity reserved. We have um we've already done that. We have our an approved USA with Dade City. We're one of the few big developments out there that do. Um so we have that capacity. So um I've had conversations with the city attorney um depending on timing when this thing would come online, you know, whether we could potentially pull from some of that Rolling Hills capacity, you know, and and work out some type of a situation like that. But right now we have service to the

   2:18:57property adjacent and so there's potentially for us a little bit more capacity to get a hold of them maybe. Um some of the other developments that are dealing with that right now. But I am we are aware of of the issue for sure with w with regard to wastewater.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:19:15Mr. Chairman Mariano make it for the record since it's being discussed. The only record our office has of the advertisements is being advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on October eighteenth, twenty twenty three. Um and it was advertised for December fifth and it was continued from that meeting to this meeting. So I just that's the only thing our office has of of proof of advertisement. Right. Just so you know.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:19:38Okay.

   2:19:42Well does

   2:19:46Does the staff file have revised affidavits of of posting and the the other issues that Ms. Johnson has indicated have been revised?

   Planning and Development staff

   2:19:58Yes, absolutely. We have the revised affidavit as well as the photo of the signed posting. You just provide them to the clerk's office? No. So I made this agenda packet prior to receiving the direction to include those. Okay. And I I have them in the stat file on the G Drive and we can pull them up on the screen if you guys would like. As long as as long as the county has them in the official record, absolutely. We also have copies of the certified mailings.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:20:21So you will provide them to our office?

   Planning and Development staff

   2:20:23Absolutely.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:20:24Thank you.

   Planning and Development staff

   2:20:26Okay.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:20:27Well I I don't know, I still have an uneasy feeling about this this property or this this position. Mr. Waitley.

   Seth Weightman

   2:20:36Thank you. Yeah. You know something's gonna happen here whether City of Dade City annexes it or or not. So I think it's in the best interest of the county to make the right decision here. Um based on the number of units, I think we might consider either be willing to to make a motion to continue this item, maybe reconfigure the lot sizes on here, maybe move to you know the minimum lot size of in the 50s and keep your keep your uh options going

   2:21:06on up from there um and then then bring it back once we see something that might be a little less dense than 160 single family units on 34 acres. Without any connectivity.

   What

   2:21:19Shelley Johnson again. I just just for the record, if if in fact you want to require all fifties and no forties, I don't think my I my client will have an issue with that, so we'd be fine with that.

   Seth Weightman

   2:21:29So I'm looking to keep the variety, especially the large watt sizes. I'm not looking to to have one product type here and I think the boards kind of let's do it.

   Stephanie Lefieu

   2:21:42Sixties?

   Seth Weightman

   2:21:43I think uh whatever tend I'd say we give move make a motion to continue and they come back with that type of direction from us and we we see it again.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:21:54Yeah, I'd like a little more time myself to look into it a little more.

   What

   2:21:58That's fine. We're fine with that if you want to continue it. I have no issue with that. We can talk more further about

   Seth Weightman

   2:22:02it.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:22:06Uh would you continue to H you do it to a time certain the next The next state city meeting would be Three February.

   2:22:21February sixth at one thirty.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:22:29Don't go past that. So don't Dade City Damnex.

   Seth Weightman

   2:22:34I'll make a motion to continue the stuff you said February sixth.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:22:37February sixth at one thirty

   Seth Weightman

   2:22:38or

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:22:39soon there after February sixth

   Seth Weightman

   2:22:40at one thirty with um

   2:22:45Different plan I guess you could say. Well

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:22:49they've got the subject.

   Denise

   2:22:52May I say something? I don't know that that gives us enough time to meet the deadlines for the agenda processing. The February sixth.

   2:23:04I don't have the list, but I'm I'm sure it's very it's very soon.

   2:23:10The next one would be um March twelfth. That the next one that's on this side after February sixth.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:23:18Why don't you just pick a number that's less than what they're they've got and let them figure out how to lay it out in it? So what is it one six a hundred and sixty units?

   2:23:30So why don't you do it's all say a hundred and thirty units or something?

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:23:34Won't you let the developer decide?

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:23:36Yeah, decide the mix of the size of lots, but just cut down make it less dense.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:23:40I think there's other issues. when we discuss um in that area and I I have concerns about it right now. So continue would be better for me.

   Jack Mariano

   2:23:51Mr. Chairman? Yes. And I I mean I'll I'll go with that but I just want you to really consider the borderline properties Dade City, Dade City will hop over, they'll move over. They'll probably go this through. If you don't approve it even to what you want, whether it be fifty six without even stating a number yet, um, I think you jeopardize it going, especially now that we can't do it in February we've got to push it back further. They may get frustrated and say, you know what, we'll just go do Dade City, we're done. I really think if you if you really want to get the less density, now's the time to ask for it.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:24:20They've got to go to Dayton to do that. I'm okay with that, so

   Seth Weightman

   2:24:27Well. Chairman

   2:24:31Which scenario are you comfortable with, Chairman?

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:24:34I'm always trying my best to help you.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:24:38Well thank you.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:24:40Are they talking to you or me?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:24:44Can serve read on the project force?

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:24:49If that's Syria, we're not talking to you.

   2:24:54I'm good with moving it to March.

   Seth Weightman

   2:24:57The first meeting. The first meeting in

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:24:59March. Back here. No, the second meeting back here.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:25:03So m would be March twelfth would be the March meeting and dates, I think.

   Seth Weightman

   2:25:08So amend my motion to continue the item to March twelfth and kind of hearing dates it.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:25:14Okay.

   2:25:17And

   Jack Mariano

   2:25:17I'll second discussion. Can I ask the applicant if they're okay with that date?

   What

   2:25:26Yeah, we're okay with that date. So we can figure out how we want to lay it out.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:25:33Uh any more discussion? Any more questions? Anyone else here in the audience to speak to this item? See a nine. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed, like sign. Hearing none. Uh motion passed for zero.