PDE-25-0003

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1. 1Oct 8, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP46Public hearingNo outcome in the minutes

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2. 2Oct 22, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP73Public hearingContinued

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   Approved to continue the item to the November 12, 2024 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in Dade City.

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   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   8:19We have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the September fourth, twenty twenty four and October thirteenth, uh, twenty twenty four editions of the Tampa Bay Times.

   Nectarios Pittos

   8:33Thank you, Mr. Chairman Mariano Speetos, Planning Development, Economic Growth. Good afternoon. Item P seventy-three is an ordinance for a land development code amendment. Uh this ordinance uh was actually scheduled initially at the October eighth Board of County Commissioners meeting which was canceled due to Hurricane Melton. Uh this item would have been the adoption item that would have been heard today. But given that October eight was canceled, this is this item is being continued to November twelve. Uh at One

   9:04thirty PM in Dade City.

   Ron OakleyChair

   9:08Okay. Do we need a a motion or anything to do? Do we continue? Move to continue time certainly. Second. Got a motion a second. All those in favor say aye.

   Seth Weightman

   9:18Aye.

   Ron OakleyChair

   9:19Aye. Motion passed five zero. Uh move on to P74. Mr. Chairman Mariano

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   9:34For the for the purposes of the record as that was the The first reading at the last meeting Are you continuing both the first and the second hearings or

   Ron OakleyChair

   9:48first were no good.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   9:49So the first would have been

   Nectarios Pittos

   9:56Um item P seventy seven on this agenda is the first reading item, which will happen today. Understood. Thank you. Okay,

3. 3Oct 22, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP77Public hearingNo outcome in the minutes

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   Ron OakleyChair

   21:08Aye. Motion pass five zero. Move on. Uh move on to P seventy seven.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   21:15And to clarify this item was published for hearing on October eighth in the Tampa Bay Times, September fourth Uh and October thirteenth of twenty twenty four. Uh again it was continued. Due to Hurricane Milton to be heard at this time.

   Ron OakleyChair

   21:37Okay, and there's no action required on this item but a reading of it, I guess. We

   Nectarios Pittos

   21:41do have one signed up for this.

   Ron OakleyChair

   21:43Oh yeah, one signed up.

   Nectarios Pittos

   21:44Yes.

   Ron OakleyChair

   21:45Okay.

   Nectarios Pittos

   21:46Thank you, Mr. Chairman M77 is PDE 250003. This is an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land Development Code Section 204.

   21:59Section 304.2.d, public notice, section 305.2.b, neighborhood Meeting, coordination, and notice, Section 307, continuance procedures, Section 310, Performance Security, Section 311, Defect Security. Section 403.5, construction plans. Section 406-106B1 and 3, temporary signs. Section 406-194A, additional standards for permanent signs in residential districts. Section 406-110B,

   22:29C and E, additional standards for signs in non-residential districts, ground signs, wall signs, and regulations for marquee canopy and awning signs. Section 1003.1, Gates, Fences and Walls, General Requirements. Section 1003.4, Gates, Fences and Walls, Non-Residential Requirements. Section 1203.4, Nonconforming Science. Section 1302.1 D, Uniform Procedures and Provisions, Reduction of Mobility Fees and Waivers of School Impact Fees. Appendix A definitions and other sections as necessary for internal consistency,

   22:59providing for applicability repealer, providing for several inclusion into the land development code and an effective date. This is the uh first hearing uh and the board is requested to accept public comment. Uh the second hearing will be held on November twelfth at one thirty P. M. in Dade City. We have a uh presentation that's so desired. Uh I presume. So this is Land Development Code Amendment number seventy four. It's proposed amendments were presented to the horizontal

   23:29round table. and interested parties on September eighteenth of twenty twenty four. And the LPA found the proposed amendments consistent with the comprehensive plan on September 19, 2024.

   23:43Because I can't see the screen from that far.

   23:48Um I'll walk through each of the amendments very briefly. Um they are fairly straightforward, all of them in Chapter 200. Uh we add provisions if a Planning Commission member's term expires, the member shall remain on the PC on the Planning Commission until such time as a new appointment is made. Um chapter three hundred in procedures. We clarified that posted sign is to meet the specifications in the development manual. This item as well as the next two items are referring to the public hearing uh notice

   24:18signs. um that we talked that we've talked about previously. Um Chapter 300 clarifies the Post Assigned to Me Specification Development Manual. Um Chapter 300 Procedures, Section 310 Performance Security. We add a clarifying language to the section to make it internally consistent. Chapter 300 Procedures in the in Section 311 Defects Security. We added language to the section again for internal consistency. Uh no changes were made in the Chapter 400 permit types and

   24:48applications. Um section 403.5. In Chapter 400, permit type and applications. In section 406.13, prohibited signs, we clarify that signs having characteristics of Snipe signs are not necessarily prohibited as Snipe signs. Chapter 400, permit types and applications. We provided for the allowance of additional temporary signs 30 days prior to an election and removes the prohibition of double-faced signs. Uh Chapter 400 permit types and applications provides for

   25:18the allowance of an architectural top feature for ground science. Uh similar to the allowance in non-residential districts. Uh Chapter 400 permit types and applications, 406-110B. Ground signs, it clarifies that top features are architectural and considered part of the sign structure when calculating sign height.

   25:37Uh in Chapter 400, 40610 C2 Signs Wall Signs, we removed sidewalls from disallowance of projection for wall signs. In Chapter 400-406-110-E regulations for marquee canopy and awning signs, it clarified that signs above canopies are not considered roof signs. In Chapter uh ten hundred, miscellaneous structure regulations We add language that chain link, welded wire, or similar fences and gates are allowed on industrial zone properties if they are vinyl

   26:07coated with a color that blends into the adjacent landscaping per the direction of the Board of County Commissioners on June eighteenth, twenty twenty four.

   Seth Weightman

   26:15Excuse me, Terry. Chairman Mariano. May I? To th to this section, Terry, which is why when we brought this up to make this change understand for the type of fences on industrial. If you look all around Pasco County right now. You've seen the vinyl PVC fence is blown out, looks like a a toothless smile. is what these look at. And if you go by and you look at the industrial properties and other commercial style properties, it has kept their work and their products safely and more securely in

   26:46their on their property, in their workspace. So that's why I think it's important that you know chain link is approved and usable on these industrial zonings and you know, some commercial sites. So anyway, uh just real life example and appreciate this change. Yes sir.

   Jack Mariano

   27:06Mr. Chairman Mariano's bring you bring that up in so many vinyl things are just like thrown everywhere look like Crap and will for a while. So and I and I like the color part. And You know, whether it be black, green, or whatever it may be. How how would you feel if we then looked at changing what's along the arterials as well?

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   27:28I'd be a against that. I

   Jack Mariano

   27:30I knew

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   27:30that, but I was

   Jack Mariano

   27:31talking to

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   27:31him.

   Seth Weightman

   27:39My my question, I'm I'm all for practical common sense application, right? Not just necessarily what something looks like. And vinyl fences are weak.

   27:51in normal rainstorms and they become a hazard. They're dangerous. And I almost think that needs to be on a we need to have a uh a a wiggle room in there depend on what the type of business is of what the appropriate style fence would be if they came in and asked a variant say, hey, this is my type of business. Vina will not be secure, we take a look at it and then we could agree to put Chain links or you know,

   28:19masonry something like they used to.

   28:21Other than. So I'm I'm not a I'm not opposed. I'm all for, you know, common sense practical solutions here that that don't break the bank either.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   28:28So uh the other application that they can use, because I don't think we should be lining our arterial roads with chain link fence, um, is vertical metal fencing. Which is what they do everywhere else. um where they don't allow chain link on their main roads. And that is very safe. Frankly, that's what I would have gone for. um in a l in a lot of places. I tried to do that with the school district when I was on there and that's what Tampa does around their schools. is vertical and I I showed what that looks like. It's not that much more. Um

   28:59I I kinda agree with you on the vinyl fences that we're letting all these developers put up. Back in the day before we had all that, they all did masonry fences. If you look at a lo along Starkey Boulevard on a longleaf, it's all it's all it's all masonry. It's either brick or or concrete block. And the vinyl fences in my mind don't hold up. They get dirty. You go to clean 'em, you ruin them. They're a problem. So Uh but I wouldn't I I I'm o I'm okay. I I bent on the industrial for

   29:30chain link as long as it's coded. But you can't do that on on the other kind of businesses.

   Lisa Yeager

   29:38And what was it you suggested?

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   29:40Vertical. Maybe you can show a picture of what a decorative a vertical metal fence looks like. It's where the the rods go they're usually um s square and they're tall. And frankly, they're much more than that. Yeah. They're much more secure, security wise, than a chain link fence because chain link fence you just put one foot in and hop over. Yeah. Yeah. With a vertical metal fence you c it's much harder to climb over and has a lot more security. Yeah. Well

   30:11those are Those are um There you go. That. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and that's a fine alternative.

   Ron OakleyChair

   30:20Mm-hmm. So what's the procedure and

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   30:26Well I are as he done well they can they can do that already. They can put so that so We're changing to allow chain link for industrial

   30:39And c a commercial can use that metal.

   30:45But most most commercials don't even put up with fence, really. Very rarely does a commercial Put up a pencil.

   30:54Right now, Terry, d nothing precludes a commercial from putting up a vertical

   31:02I if we miss that then we should uh make sure they're allowed to put that kind of fence.

   Nectarios Pittos

   31:06I don't believe so, but I'd have to go back and check. D to be fully clear on that.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   31:10Are you looking for an option or are you looking for a prohibition? So uh and so If you're looking to move to the to that style fence along the arterials, They're gonna make a they're gonna have to make a change to the the code. If it's just an option I would think that they ha it's a fence, so right. They have the ability to to do that right now. Although we can clarify that between the first and the second hearing.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   31:41Here we'll get an answer.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   31:44Hi Brad Tippen. Uh we have code currently that says chain link fence cannot be visible from the Wrights Way. So this is actually allowing chain link fence as long as it is coded. uh in the industrial areas, but it doesn't supersede the other code requirement outside of the industrial areas and they are allowed to use any of the other metal types of fences that they want to use.

   Ron OakleyChair

   32:07Okay. So with that. This is not chain link.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   32:10No. Correct. No, I was just saying that's how the two things kind of interplay and overlap. The the chain link would be allowed by this as long as it's the coded type in the industrial parcels, but it would not be allowed within visibility of the right-of-way in other areas of the county that are not industrial parcels. They could still use the vertical metal and other decorative metal styles of fence.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   32:31Okay. Brad, before you leave it. Is there a Another option uh I don't know what the state of the technology is. Vinyl coded was Historically all you could do Do they now have A different way to color chainly? I just don't want to If it's a powder coated, let's say. I

   33:01don't know if that's possible or that's even cheaper. I don't want to

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   33:05say coded. I don't want to paint on it.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   33:08I just didn't know whether you I

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   33:09don't know, paint

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   33:10more.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   33:16I believe the most common is the vinyl coded. Um There is always an abil you can powder coat anything uh in a color, but it also will uh chip and show wear uh over time so it doesn't it doesn't end up as as long lasting as the vinyl coating. There are other options Um if you wanted to say color colored to match the environment instead of vinyl coded, maybe that would work, but or using vinyl coding or a similar means, we can we can work with that kind of

   33:47kind of language and maybe tweak something.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   33:50I I'm fine with black, brown or green. After that. I don't want any red or orange or no. You don't want blaze orange? No. Maybe maybe garnet, maybe gold.

   Ron OakleyChair

   34:06I don't see nothing wrong with

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   34:08it.

   34:14But can this

   Ron OakleyChair

   34:15be done? Can this be done without

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   34:19It's already there. That's what he's saying. It's it's already there. Yeah, it's already there. So we're

   Nectarios Pittos

   34:23thinking we're

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   34:24We're fine.

   Jack Mariano

   34:25Um Hang on, m Mr. Chairman Mariano. So I'm okay with putting the word colored in there. You could revinal coded or colored. But

   34:35Yeah. Might hurt you. I don't know if you want to get into the specific colors, but I think it just colored makes it look better, one way or the other.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   34:43I don't know if there is powder coated vinyl.

   Ron OakleyChair

   34:46Well it wouldn't be vinyl. It would it

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   34:47would be I mean powder coated metal.

   Ron OakleyChair

   34:49It would be metal, yes, they do that.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   34:51Why?

   34:54I I don't think we should do that.

   Ron OakleyChair

   34:55When it breaks?

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   34:56I think it'll be a I think it'll look bad really quickly.

   Ron OakleyChair

   35:02I think they'll be able to work through it. So we're okay with the language as is. I think

   Ron OakleyChair

   35:08so. If it's in there then we're okay. Just Everybody knows that That's what we need to be asking for.

   Seth Weightman

   35:16Chairman Mariano. So the switch, Commissioner Oakley Bullard. What's your language specifically?

   Jack Mariano

   35:24It would be or colored. Vinyl coded or colored.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   35:28Brad, is there such a thing?

   35:32I mean are we gonna have people standing there spray painting their fences? So yeah, I that that may be the the issue is you might have

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   35:39to do it jobs, but I don't

   Seth Weightman

   35:40know how economical that would be. That's all I think.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   35:44In this situation we always have the alternative standard process that if somebody does come in with a different idea as to how they wanna do it, we can we can work through that process and get that approved as long as we know the intent is to have that color there. It can be something other than vinyl, we can we can work with that too.

   Ron OakleyChair

   35:58So through staff we can get that accomplished. Okay. That's good to hear.

   36:04All right. Um Is there anything else you gotta read or because I got a person to speak to this item?

   Nectarios Pittos

   36:11Just two more things, three more things. Uh Chapter 12, Hunter Nonconformities, we clarified when a nonconforming sign and sign structure is to be removed, and added allowances of multi-occupancy owners to enter into agreements with for future removal of nonconforming signs so that tenants may apply in the interim for permanent signage.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   36:28Oh good, that was in here. I'm glad we're fixing that. Yeah.

   Nectarios Pittos

   36:31And then the last two amendments for Chapter 1300 concurrency mobility impact fee clarified the timing of the process for when the county I must it must be informed that a development will be a community or subdivision a Providing housing for persons who are fifty-five plus, fifty-five years of age, so a lot earlier in the process, for example. And then in Appendix A definitions, we modified the definition for canopy sign, marquee sign, and awning signs, and modify the definition of community residential homes in the actual

   37:02definitions. Um

   37:05The following slides are just the actual text amendment to themselves if you were if you were to care to peruse that. Um otherwise that's the complete set of amendments on this package.

   Ron OakleyChair

   37:16Okay.

   Jack Mariano

   37:17Chairman Mariano. Yes,

   Ron OakleyChair

   37:18sir.

   Jack Mariano

   37:19Would you go back to the part where you talk about the sign Uh dimensions were if you had a design outside with where the lettering was going to be that would be counted against the

   37:28architectural architectural.

   Nectarios Pittos

   37:33You want to see the actual language? Sure.

   37:42Temporary sign. Okay. There we go.

   37:48So the the actual language says each sign structure area shall not exceed ten feet in height and may contain an ornamental architectural top feature that is uh Sculptural or artistic in nature that exceeds the ten foot height limitation. The ornamental architectural top feature shall not exceed ten percent of the overall height of the sign structure and shall be considered part of the sign structure when calculating sign height.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   38:13And that's for residential districts. Those are like subdivisions.

   Jack Mariano

   38:19Yeah. I mean j I'm just thinking of let's say you were in a certain neighborhood, like I I'll give you an ex example. Fairway Oak just had their whole sign crushed over, I think, by the storm it looks like. Oh it is. Right. So it's falling over. They gotta they gotta redo it. The nice thing about the sign was they had a nice big sign with the lettering in there about it. And the brick was part of it, but if it's over that height and you're gonna take away their sign it takes away the thing. I think Trinity's done some gorgeous signs of the Florida Lee, et cetera, that look good with that extra little bit of height. I don't think it's a detriment of the Land Development Code. But I think it adds

   38:49something to somebody's creative ability to make their sign look better than just a standard box. So I really want to penalize him for the right-of-way. Making it look nicer.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   38:57The big ones are the ones that went down. Mind that. But

   Ron OakleyChair

   39:03you have something to add to the right-of-way.

   39:05Come forward.

   Denise

   39:06Sorry, Denise Hernandez. Um, I just wanted to make a clarification to the section. So, Commissioner Mariano, the section that Terry read from, that is a section that already exists, which is in for ground signs for non-residential districts. If you look at the above section, 406.1.9, it now allows additional architectural features. Okay. So previous to that, you could not have an increase. Now it allows the actual sum. the sign to be taller because you now can act add this architectural feature on the top of the sign. So

   39:36it gives them more flexibility and a taller sign potentially.

   Jack Mariano

   39:41I like that.

   Denise

   39:42We wanted to do we wanted to do this the residential section similar to the commercial section. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. All

   Jack Mariano

   39:49right.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   39:54Do I have to take public comment?

   Ron OakleyChair

   39:55Yes. Yes.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   39:58Darn.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   40:01Uh mm.

   Ron OakleyChair

   40:08Name and address for the record.

   McCare King

   40:11Good afternoon. My name is McCare King with the law firm of iCard Merrill, 2033 Main Street, Suite 600, Sarasota, Florida. I'm here today on behalf of my clients, Benderson85 One Trust and 95 F L R P T L L C. They are the owners of Ridge Plaza, which is located at 8601 Little Road. We're here today in support of the proposed amendments to LDC section 1203.4, specifically related to nonconforming signs.

   40:42We feel that the new addition of subsection three allows multi-occupancy parcel owners to fulfill their contractual obligations to their tenants, and we I just want to take a minute to thank staff for all of their hard work and time on this item. Um I will cede the rest of my time unless you all have any other further questions. But again, we urge you to vote um approval of this item. Thank you.

   Ron OakleyChair

   41:05All right. Thank you.

   41:10Okay, there's no action required.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   41:12Move to approve.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   41:13No.

   Ron OakleyChair

   41:14No action required.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   41:15Oh no action. First

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   41:16hearing. First hearing. You can do that on the 12th. All right.

   Nectarios Pittos

   41:21All

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   41:21right.

4. 4Nov 12, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP59Public hearingAdopted

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   Approved to adopt by a roll call vote with the revision that the duration of signs be for 60 days immediately prior to an election and the removal was ten days after the election.

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   Madam Clerk

   3:12Proof of publication, Tampa Bay Times, September 4th, 2024. The item was moved from the October 8th, 2024 BCC meeting. To the October 22nd, 2024 BCC meeting due to Hurricane Milton. It was then continued to today. I do have a speaker on this item.

   3:31Yeah.

   Ron OakleyChair

   3:33Okay. So

   Planning Director

   3:37Okay. Um all right. Um item P fifty nine. That one's a mouthful. Is uh PDE 25003, an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners, amending the Pasco County Land Development Code, Section 204.1.A, Planning Commission, Section 304.2. Public Notice, Section 305.2. Neighborhood Meeting Coordination and Notice. Section 307: Continuance Procedures, Section 310, Performance Security, Section 311, Defect Security, Section 403.5 construction plans, Section 406.1.6.5.

   4:08B point one and three temporary signs. Section four hundred six point one point nine point A additional standards for permanent signs in residential districts. Section four hundred six point one point ten point B C and E additional standards for signs in non-residential districts, ground signs, wall signs, and regulations for marquee, canopy and awning signs, Section 1003.

   4:30Section 1003. Fences and walls, non-residential requirements, section 1203.4, non-conforming signs, section 1302.1.d, uniform procedures and provisions, reduction of mobility fees and waivers of school impact fee, appendix A definitions, and other sections as necessary for internal consistency, providing for applicability repealer, providing for several severability, inclusion of the land development code, and an effective date. This comes with a recommendation to accept. public comment and adopt the proposed ordinance by roll call vote. Okay.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:01All right. Um we have someone sign up for this item. We do, McCary King.

   5:10Welcome. Name and address for the record.

   McCare King

   5:12Good afternoon. My name is McCare King with the law firm of ICard Merrill. Our address is 2033 Main Street, suite 600, Sarasota, Florida, 34237. I'm here today on behalf of my clients, Benderson 85 One Trust and 95 FLRPT L L C who are the owners of Bridge Plaza. We want to thank you for the amendments in front of you today and urge you to vote approval of specifically LDC Amendment twelve oh three point four related to nonconforming signs. We want to thank staff for

   5:42their hard work on this and again urge you to vote in approval. Thank you.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:47Okay. Is anyone else to speak this item?

   Madam Clerk

   5:50No one else has signed us.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:52Does anyone in the audience wish to speak this item? CMO one? Mr. Jim? Yes.

   Jack Mariano

   5:57I'd like to make one uh change um under section 406161. It's about the temporary signs, coming to display.

   6:12And it's ask it it talks about right now as far as the timing goes. But it doesn't really address as far as and I think we're trying to put in political science here. But as far as a time for political science I should I think it should be like from day of qualification till five days after. And I think five days after probably could be ten.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   6:39Mine aren't getting picked up, I promise.

   Jack Mariano

   6:42It just it just you know, doesn't have to make

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   6:44it just takes time. So I'm trying to f get down to where the commissioner is referencing. Four oh six one what was the reference? One six and then one

   Jack Mariano

   7:00Yeah.

   7:07Right there.

   Ron OakleyChair

   7:16So what part are you trying to change?

   Jack Mariano

   7:18So i in in the midst where it's lined out, it talked about uh temporary political campaign signs may be posted nowhere than fifteen days prior to the date of the candidate qualification. The major should make it candidate qualification. It must be no later than five days. Uh they could put that line back in there but just make it from the date of qualification and then I would say even like ten days after election.

   Seth Weightman

   7:54Temporary sound.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   7:57Unfortunately I pulled up the non-struck struck through version.

   8:02Uh inside

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   8:14Is this for political science?

   Jack Mariano

   8:16It was and then they crossed it out so you don't see it, but I wanna make sure w it it works with that 'cause the the way it's worded right here it doesn't deal with what we're we' w what we had going on. I think when you spoke to the right-of-way,

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   8:30prior to an election. Okay.

   Seth Weightman

   8:32I don't know why we wouldn't Why would you put out signs if you haven't qualified? So it says fifteen days prior to qualification.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   8:41No, it should be after

   Jack Mariano

   8:43yeah, or after qualification. Or at qualification. Yeah, I probably had day day of qualification, but or whatever verbiage.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   8:58What does it mean four of said signs? Why isn't all of said signs shall be removed? Why off of there?

   Jack Mariano

   9:06So you only want?

   9:10But that's that could that could be a it could be a different sign on someone's property.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   9:14Well okay. Um

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   9:17Because you're you're not dealing with political signs. Okay. You're dealing with all temporary signs. So you can you can have one temporary sign

   9:29in a non election cycle.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   9:33Okay, I I I understand that that work around. But no one's enforcing this, sadly. I I hope one day and maybe now we have someone in code who will help educate our code people that you can't have five five flapping signs on your property, you only can have one.

   David Engel

   9:50I I just want to let the board know that um Ms. Hernandez is is here. She is our lead of our ordinance development team and could answer any questions pertaining to this work this item. Maybe she should

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   10:02take out that becomes a Pond qualification.

   Ron OakleyChair

   10:07Maybe if Denise comes up and explains that to us uh she has a good understanding of this ordinance, I believe.

   Denise

   10:14Denise Hernandez, Co-Compliance Department. So uh what you're reading now, um Commissioner Mariano, the stricken area, that is what our um our item currently says, our code currently states. So that basically contemplated just having one sign. Obviously that doesn't make any sense with you know there's several candidates, there's parcels that are larger parcels, etc. So the way it cur it reads now what we are proposing is to have a temporary sign, each

   10:44residential, non-residential, a vacant lot, um to have a up to a total of five temporary signs uh that are displayed on these lots. Um you know, pri immediately prior to an election. And then four of those signs have to go because you're only allowed as Commissioner Starkey was stating and um Our county attorney was also stating that you're only allowed one temporary sign per establishment. So there's going to be a period of time during the election where you will see a

   11:15multitude of signs because remember we cannot tr we have to treat all signs the same way. We can't specifically state that these are the way we treat election signs, these these are the way we treat other types of signs. because of the Supreme Court decision that came down in 2015. So if you want to state the time prior

   11:39Um prior to or at you know At the time of qualification we can We can state that, I suppose.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   11:48Yeah, I would prefer uh if you wanna play with a larger time frame in front of the election sixty days, ninety days, whatever. I that would be a better way to address it than to put the language back in about qualification. Okay. Because this is

   12:09We are really trying to Walk the line with Reed. Um And not Have a content based

   12:22Code provision. Um but we are creating an amnesty period in front of an election for other temporary signs, whatever they may say.

   Jack Mariano

   12:36So what verbage do you want to put in?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   12:38So so if if you think thirty days is too small a period of time Uh I would go to sixty or ninety. Uh you can you can Probably not but understand that it may not just be political signs that show up during that amnesty period. It may be

   13:01Banner signs, advertising, whatever. Um because we can't look at the content.

   Ron OakleyChair

   13:08So we can't just limit one or the other, just have to all of match fit in the same

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   13:12category. Right. All temporary signs are treated the same. However however long you want to allow that is the board's call.

   Ron OakleyChair

   13:23Well, I mean you've got a primary. You got a primary, you've got signs already out. How long is it before the primary to the election? Yeah, so we get from June to August

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   13:31for the primary. But you've got Yeah, so you've got that's an election. The primary would be an election, so there there's a it's a period of period for that. It's period of time. For that.

   13:48Then it would be 'cause

   Lisa Yeager

   13:49you don't take your signs down.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   13:50Right. Right. So It's sixty days between the between the primary and the And the general? So do it sixty days? So if you change that thirty to sixty, I think you you're covering the issue that I think you're looking at.

   Jack Mariano

   14:06Okay. And I think if you put at day qualification as opposed to or no, is it just you want to leave that out completely?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   14:12Yeah, we won't leave that out completely. So it it'll be it because the election primary or general is the election that would be the the thing that we would count from and then if the board is okay with sixty days in front of the election then that that

   Ron OakleyChair

   14:32I think ten

   Jack Mariano

   14:33days is a better amount of time to pick up the signs.

   Ron OakleyChair

   14:37So that's your motion? That is your motion.

   Denise

   14:39So for clarification, um it should say duration of sixty days immediately immediately prior to an election and then the removal is ten days after the election.

   Ron OakleyChair

   14:48Perfect. Thank you. That's good. Okay. So I have a motion. So move.

   Madam Clerk

   14:55One second.

   Ron OakleyChair

   14:56Okay. So this is my rofall folk.

   Madam Clerk

   14:59Alrighty. District 2, Commissioner Weightman. Aye. District 3, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District 4, Commissioner Yeager. Aye. District 5, Commissioner Oriano.

   Ron OakleyChair

   15:08Aye.

   Madam Clerk

   15:08District 1, Chairman Oakley.

   Ron OakleyChair

   15:10Aye. Motion pass 5-0.

   Madam Clerk

   15:12Thank you, Commissioner. Thank you.

   Ron OakleyChair

   15:14Thank you. Now we move to uh P60.