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An Ordinance By The Pasco County Board Of County Commissioners Amending The Pasco County Land Development Code; Section 204.1.A Planning Commission; Section 304.2.D Public Notice; Section 305.2.B Neighborhood Meeting Coordination And Notice; Section 307 Continuance Procedures; Section 310 Performance Security; Section 311 Defect Security; Section 403.5 Construction Plans; Section 406.1.6.B.1 And 3 Temporary Signs; Section 406.1.9.A Additional Standards For Permanent Signs In Residential Districts; Section 406.1.10.B, C, And E Additional Standards For Signs In Nonresidential Districts, Ground Signs, Wall Signs, And Regulations For Marquee, Canopy, And Awning Signs; Section 1003.1 Gates, Fences, And Walls, General Requirements; Section 1003.4 Gates, Fences, And Walls, Non- Residential Requirements; Section 1203.4 Nonconforming Signs; Section 1302.1.D Uniform Procedures And Provisions, Reduction Of Mobility Fees And Waivers Of School Impact Fees; Appendix A Definitions; And Other Sections, As Necessary, For Internal Consistency; Providing For Applicability; Repealer; Providing For Severability; Inclusion Into The Land Development Code, And An Effective Date.

Proposed Ordinances at 1:30 p.m.PDE-25-0003District All

What the county recorded

Published agenda

Staff recommendation

Approve

Approved minutes

DispositionAdopted

Approved to adopt by a roll call vote with the revision that the duration of signs be for 60 days immediately prior to an election and the removal was ten days after the election.

The source document

Published agenda

The county’s agenda for Board of County Commissioners, Nov 12, 2024

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Approved minutes

The county’s minutes for Board of County Commissioners, Nov 12, 2024

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PDE-25-0003 in full →

PDE-25-0003 was taken up 4 times between Oct 8, 2024 and Nov 12, 2024, continued 1 time — this is appearance 4.

  1. Oct 8, 2024BoardP46No disposition in the minutes
  2. Oct 22, 2024BoardP73Continued
  3. Oct 22, 2024BoardP77No disposition in the minutes
  4. Nov 12, 2024BoardP59Adoptedthis item

What was said

Transcript

Machine transcription of 12m of recording, with speaker names inferred from voice matching. 75% of 73 lines carry a name. It shows what was said, not what was decided, and both the words and the names can be wrong.

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Madam Clerk

Proof of publication, Tampa Bay Times, September 4th, 2024. The item was moved from the October 8th, 2024 BCC meeting. To the October 22nd, 2024 BCC meeting due to Hurricane Milton. It was then continued to today. I do have a speaker on this item.

Yeah.

OakleyChair

Okay. So

Unidentified speakerVoice A

Okay. Um all right. Um item P fifty nine. That one's a mouthful. Is uh PDE 25003, an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners, amending the Pasco County Land Development Code, Section 204.1.A, Planning Commission, Section 304.2. Public Notice, Section 305.2. Neighborhood Meeting Coordination and Notice. Section 307: Continuance Procedures, Section 310, Performance Security, Section 311, Defect Security, Section 403.5 construction plans, Section 406.1.6.5.

B point one and three temporary signs. Section four hundred six point one point nine point A additional standards for permanent signs in residential districts. Section four hundred six point one point ten point B C and E additional standards for signs in non-residential districts, ground signs, wall signs, and regulations for marquee, canopy and awning signs, Section 1003.

Section 1003. Fences and walls, non-residential requirements, section 1203.4, non-conforming signs, section 1302.1.d, uniform procedures and provisions, reduction of mobility fees and waivers of school impact fee, appendix A definitions, and other sections as necessary for internal consistency, providing for applicability repealer, providing for several severability, inclusion of the land development code, and an effective date. This comes with a recommendation to accept. public comment and adopt the proposed ordinance by roll call vote. Okay.

OakleyChair

All right. Um we have someone sign up for this item. We do, McCary King.

Welcome. Name and address for the record.

Mccare King

Good afternoon. My name is McCare King with the law firm of ICard Merrill. Our address is 2033 Main Street, suite 600, Sarasota, Florida, 34237. I'm here today on behalf of my clients, Benderson 85 One Trust and 95 FLRPT L L C who are the owners of Bridge Plaza. We want to thank you for the amendments in front of you today and urge you to vote approval of specifically LDC Amendment twelve oh three point four related to nonconforming signs. We want to thank staff for

their hard work on this and again urge you to vote in approval. Thank you.

OakleyChair

Okay. Is anyone else to speak this item?

Madam Clerk

No one else has signed us.

OakleyChair

Does anyone in the audience wish to speak this item? CMO one? Mr. Jim? Yes.

Mariano

I'd like to make one uh change um under section 406161. It's about the temporary signs, coming to display.

And it's ask it it talks about right now as far as the timing goes. But it doesn't really address as far as and I think we're trying to put in political science here. But as far as a time for political science I should I think it should be like from day of qualification till five days after. And I think five days after probably could be ten.

StarkeyVice Chair

Mine aren't getting picked up, I promise.

Mariano

It just it just you know, doesn't have to make

Unidentified speakerVoice B

it just takes time. So I'm trying to f get down to where the commissioner is referencing. Four oh six one what was the reference? One six and then one

Mariano

Yeah.

Right there.

OakleyChair

So what part are you trying to change?

Mariano

So i in in the midst where it's lined out, it talked about uh temporary political campaign signs may be posted nowhere than fifteen days prior to the date of the candidate qualification. The major should make it candidate qualification. It must be no later than five days. Uh they could put that line back in there but just make it from the date of qualification and then I would say even like ten days after election.

Weightman

Temporary sound.

Unidentified speakerVoice B

Unfortunately I pulled up the non-struck struck through version.

Uh inside

StarkeyVice Chair

Is this for political science?

Mariano

It was and then they crossed it out so you don't see it, but I wanna make sure w it it works with that 'cause the the way it's worded right here it doesn't deal with what we're we' w what we had going on. I think when you spoke to the right-of-way,

StarkeyVice Chair

prior to an election. Okay.

Weightman

I don't know why we wouldn't Why would you put out signs if you haven't qualified? So it says fifteen days prior to qualification.

StarkeyVice Chair

No, it should be after

Mariano

yeah, or after qualification. Or at qualification. Yeah, I probably had day day of qualification, but or whatever verbiage.

StarkeyVice Chair

What does it mean four of said signs? Why isn't all of said signs shall be removed? Why off of there?

Mariano

So you only want?

But that's that could that could be a it could be a different sign on someone's property.

StarkeyVice Chair

Well okay. Um

Unidentified speakerVoice B

Because you're you're not dealing with political signs. Okay. You're dealing with all temporary signs. So you can you can have one temporary sign

in a non election cycle.

StarkeyVice Chair

Okay, I I I understand that that work around. But no one's enforcing this, sadly. I I hope one day and maybe now we have someone in code who will help educate our code people that you can't have five five flapping signs on your property, you only can have one.

David Engel

I I just want to let the board know that um Ms. Hernandez is is here. She is our lead of our ordinance development team and could answer any questions pertaining to this work this item. Maybe she should

StarkeyVice Chair

take out that becomes a Pond qualification.

OakleyChair

Maybe if Denise comes up and explains that to us uh she has a good understanding of this ordinance, I believe.

Denise

Denise Hernandez, Co-Compliance Department. So uh what you're reading now, um Commissioner Mariano, the stricken area, that is what our um our item currently says, our code currently states. So that basically contemplated just having one sign. Obviously that doesn't make any sense with you know there's several candidates, there's parcels that are larger parcels, etc. So the way it cur it reads now what we are proposing is to have a temporary sign, each

residential, non-residential, a vacant lot, um to have a up to a total of five temporary signs uh that are displayed on these lots. Um you know, pri immediately prior to an election. And then four of those signs have to go because you're only allowed as Commissioner Starkey was stating and um Our county attorney was also stating that you're only allowed one temporary sign per establishment. So there's going to be a period of time during the election where you will see a

multitude of signs because remember we cannot tr we have to treat all signs the same way. We can't specifically state that these are the way we treat election signs, these these are the way we treat other types of signs. because of the Supreme Court decision that came down in 2015. So if you want to state the time prior

Um prior to or at you know At the time of qualification we can We can state that, I suppose.

Unidentified speakerVoice B

Yeah, I would prefer uh if you wanna play with a larger time frame in front of the election sixty days, ninety days, whatever. I that would be a better way to address it than to put the language back in about qualification. Okay. Because this is

We are really trying to Walk the line with Reed. Um And not Have a content based

Code provision. Um but we are creating an amnesty period in front of an election for other temporary signs, whatever they may say.

Mariano

So what verbage do you want to put in?

Unidentified speakerVoice B

So so if if you think thirty days is too small a period of time Uh I would go to sixty or ninety. Uh you can you can Probably not but understand that it may not just be political signs that show up during that amnesty period. It may be

Banner signs, advertising, whatever. Um because we can't look at the content.

OakleyChair

So we can't just limit one or the other, just have to all of match fit in the same

Unidentified speakerVoice B

category. Right. All temporary signs are treated the same. However however long you want to allow that is the board's call.

OakleyChair

Well, I mean you've got a primary. You got a primary, you've got signs already out. How long is it before the primary to the election? Yeah, so we get from June to August

Unidentified speakerVoice B

for the primary. But you've got Yeah, so you've got that's an election. The primary would be an election, so there there's a it's a period of period for that. It's period of time. For that.

Then it would be 'cause

Yeager

you don't take your signs down.

Unidentified speakerVoice B

Right. Right. So It's sixty days between the between the primary and the And the general? So do it sixty days? So if you change that thirty to sixty, I think you you're covering the issue that I think you're looking at.

Mariano

Okay. And I think if you put at day qualification as opposed to or no, is it just you want to leave that out completely?

Unidentified speakerVoice B

Yeah, we won't leave that out completely. So it it'll be it because the election primary or general is the election that would be the the thing that we would count from and then if the board is okay with sixty days in front of the election then that that

OakleyChair

I think ten

Mariano

days is a better amount of time to pick up the signs.

OakleyChair

So that's your motion? That is your motion.

Denise

So for clarification, um it should say duration of sixty days immediately immediately prior to an election and then the removal is ten days after the election.

OakleyChair

Perfect. Thank you. That's good. Okay. So I have a motion. So move.

Madam Clerk

One second.

OakleyChair

Okay. So this is my rofall folk.

Madam Clerk

Alrighty. District 2, Commissioner Weightman. Aye. District 3, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District 4, Commissioner Yeager. Aye. District 5, Commissioner Oriano.

OakleyChair

Aye.

Madam Clerk

District 1, Chairman Oakley.

OakleyChair

Aye. Motion pass 5-0.

Madam Clerk

Thank you, Commissioner. Thank you.

OakleyChair

Thank you. Now we move to uh P60.