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1. 1Mar 6, 2025
   Planning CommissionPC2Consent agendaNo outcome in the minutes

   Zoning Amendment (Consent) – … Change in Zoning from an a ER-2 Estate-Residential District to an a E-R Estate-Residential District – … Containing Approximately 66.82 acres

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2. 2Apr 9, 2025
   Board of County CommissionersP37Public hearingApproved

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   Approved the Public Hearing Consent Agenda which included Agenda item P37.

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   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   54:40All in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   54:46Item P thirty-seven?

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   54:48Yep.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   54:48Okay, item P thirty seven was published in the Tampay Times on February nineteenth, twenty twenty-five and five twenty twenty-five and affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

   Ron OakleyDisputed

   54:58Item P thirty seven is PDE twenty-five seven eight five nine. This is a zoning amendment in the name of Saint Joe Locke Inc. Saint Joe Locke. It's a change in zoning from an ER2 estate residential district to an ER estate residential district in northeast Pasco County. South at the southeast corner of the intersection of Shardbour Road and St. Joe Road, containing approximately 66.82 acres. This comes to you with a recommendation of approval from the local planning or for the Planning Commission and from the Planning Home and Economic Growth Department.

   55:28There were two late expartes that were received from Commissioner Weightman and Commissioner Oakley. These expartes were emailed and received by the clerk's office. previous to this meeting.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   55:41Um what's the difference between the ER two estate residential and the ER estate residential?

   Ron OakleyDisputed

   55:47Essentially it's two and a half ER two is two and a half acre lots and ER is a one acre lot.

   Ron Oakley

   55:53One acre lot. This has moved from two and a half acres to one acre lot.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   55:59Any discussion?

   Ron Oakley

   56:01Fuck it's not. Well yeah,

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   56:03but

   Ron Oakley

   56:04you can still if if I can explain it a little better. Um between Saint Drew and um Saint Joe Road where it where it crosses at Sharber Road and Lake Isla Road and uh Jasmine Road and Curly Road meeting Saint Joe, there's two areas of interest here because The fact of it is this would go from two and a half acres to one acre tracks. But when we

   56:34were looking at the Northeast Rule and going through the advisory committee, my vision came out. that the area of St. Joe should be a small community center in that area that would service the people in the rural area around that. Um So in saying that, I have no problem with moving from the two and a half acre sites to the one acre sites and it's actually On the opposite side, the north side is a Catholic Church and a school on

   57:04the other side of the road there. The thought came up in looking at this the other day that possibility maybe two roundabouts, one at St. Joe and Jasmine and Curley, and one up at Lake Iola, Sharber, and St. Joe. aroundabout would tend to slow traffic down in this area and also because of the school there right next road on the north side and the church. And then the opposite side you'll have one acre sites.

   57:35With the possibility on a strip of land on the corner of Sharbour and Saint Joe, which is the

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   57:42Doing what on the corner?

   Ron Oakley

   57:43Southeast, the corner of Saint Joe and Charter Road. There's a possibility that it can come some commercial. Which is across the

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   57:53old Saint

   Ron Oakley

   57:53Joe

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   57:53store. You don't want it to be stripped out, right? But but to add neighborhood commercial.

   Jack MarianoVice ChairDisputed

   57:59But it's already there.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   58:01Isn't that where that restaurant was that I always wanted to go to? Yeah, and that restaurant's coming back. That's a cute little commercial node there. Yeah. And that's why I say it's

   Ron Oakley

   58:09a it's uh my vision is that that would be a community node that

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   58:13yeah

   Ron Oakley

   58:13could be used this way so the one acre lots in in between Sharber and Curry would not be an issue because it's in within that community. And it would actually with a roundabout should slow down traffic. So roundabouts are not something we're voting on today, it's a possibility in the future.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   58:33Well do you wanna take the corner and make make that C one?

   Ron Oakley

   58:37Well, it's not part of this. Oh it's a separate Uh product uh property that will come to us later. So it's not something that would be done right now.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   58:47You're talking about the north the east corner will come back? Because we're

   Ron Oakley

   58:53No the southeast. The southeast corner.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   58:56Is it not the southeast corner that we're rezoning today?

   Ron OakleyDisputed

   59:00Yes.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   59:01That's the southeast corner. Why not? If their intent is to M have that corner be commercial what well

   Ron OakleyDisputed

   59:09I

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   59:09would be supposed

   59:09to be.

   59:10But that's not

   Ron Oakley

   59:10here

   Ron OakleyDisputed

   59:10today. Right. So w the proposal here is to go from ER two to ER, which is actually it's a little it's a little bit of a history involved in which one could argue that there was a scrivener's error in the previous zoning action that this should have always been ER. Nevertheless, they're only proposing what you see in the pink there to change the zoning back to ER. The commercial properties are located on the west side of um Lake Iowa. which is on the north side of St. Joe.

   59:41And so that's where I think the commissioner is referring to. We had lots of discussions over the years about how commercials should form up in the northeast Pasco County rural area. And uh in some of those previous conversations it was very limited applications of commercial in the existing locations. I think the commissioner, and correct me if I'm wrong, is Highlighting the fact that there's existing commercial at this intersection.

   Ron Oakley

   1:00:08But also, and Terry doesn't know that yet. But it's also a possibility. But on the southeast corner. When they bring in that that property for zoning. You

   Ron OakleyDisputed

   1:00:20mean the southwest

   Ron Oakley

   1:00:21that it could be a commercial boat right on that corner too. On the southwest. So it makes all yeah, makes three corners commercial. Yes. See what I'm saying? Yes.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:00:31Yeah. N but but not all four

   Ron Oakley

   1:00:32commercials. It's just a separate

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:00:34I would make all

   Ron Oakley

   1:00:35four commercials. It's like a village.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:00:37But no strip centers. You don't want strips in a in village in a little village like

   Ron Oakley

   1:00:43Yeah. But that's always Saint Joe's always been a community in the rural area. So It's

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:00:49like to bring a bike trail to it. You might hear. They travel that

   Ron Oakley

   1:00:56route in there. We're

   Unidentified speaker

   1:00:57doing all right. Yeah. We'll

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:01:00work on that. Um this is um on consent, but is there anyone here wants to speak against this item? No one's on WebEx.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:01:12Um you bring up a good point. So right along Saint Joe Road Are they putting a trail out in the front?

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:01:19Yeah, that there should be a place for a multi use path. That's a very travelled road.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:01:25Surprised you didn't pick up on that. Well

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:01:27I think

   Ron Oakley

   1:01:28um I

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:01:29think make

   Ron Oakley

   1:01:29a road that goes by the RV park going on.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:01:34Can you can you

   Ron Oakley

   1:01:35underty one? might that might be a connection of the route For the bikes.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:01:41Well if kids that live in the neighborhood and they want to get up to the neighborhood commercial there It would be good if they're not in the road riding their bikes. So what is But

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:01:53this is a straight rezoning and that would have to be addressed at site

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:01:58time and site

   1:01:58site. Another issue.

   Ron Oakley

   1:02:00So

   1:02:01we'll deal with that next time. Um

   1:02:06make a motion that we get public comment? Second

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:02:08I there wasn't any.

   Ron Oakley

   1:02:09Okay. I'll

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:02:10second.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:02:11Okay. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. Okay, we are back to um Commissioner Weightman Um oh wait I wait guys I have one more question on the ADU. Um just wanna make sure we've covered all our bases. Uh do we have any architectural considerations of what people put in their yards?

   1:02:36Does it need to match if you're building a separate house, do you want it to match the vernacular of the house? Or can it be

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:02:44You're preempted.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:02:46We're preemptive.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:02:47It should be. Okay, so there's a

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:02:49lot there you go, look what we just did.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:02:52Bring it on. it's gonna be the last legislative session they basically told you you couldn't regulate our own. So

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:03:00it can be

   Terry Schrader

   1:03:03Lovely.

   1:03:05I may interrupt Terry Schrader, [address removed]. I appreciate your vote of confidence. I didn't want to say though because Terry pointed out it was a scribbers error and that's and this thing was lingering since two thousand and six. But also wanna just acknowledge your staff. They helped us through this to try to clean it up. So thank you very much. Okay.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:03:22All right, great. Okay, um Commissioner

   1:03:28Um Yeager.

   Lisa Yeager

   1:03:33Yep. Well um first I would just like I know Sheriff Naco talked to you guys all separately. Um and he was talking about his helicopters and aviation.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:03:47I started I don't go first. I started

   Lisa Yeager

   1:03:48the wrong place. That's what he was wondering.

   Ron Oakley

   1:03:52Mr. Oakley. We're not we're changing all right. I mean you're chairman and you can't.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:03:56Yeah, I'm just a little Not happy to be. Go ahead, Commissioner.

   Lisa Yeager

   1:04:01Okay, so I'm not going. Not yet. Okay.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:04:04That was just a practice.

   Lisa Yeager

   1:04:08I know the guy in the middle.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:04:09Commissioner

   Ron Oakley

   1:04:10Weightman. You know that? This is when we had our trip up to uh Pallahassee. And we got a different folks that we we were able to meet with. Yeah Uh was this the second time? I w

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:04:26Yeah. 'Cause