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1. 1Mar 19, 2026
   Planning CommissionP8Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

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   GreyChair

   2:24:25You're not done yet.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:24:26I know. Item P eight, you will also be sitting as a local planning agency. It's PDE twenty six zero five two four, an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners. Amending the Pasco County Land Development Code section thirteen oh two point two mobility fees to increase the mobility fees for various uses beyond the the phase in limitations in section one sixty three point three one eight zero one section six Florida statutes and other amendments as necessary For

   2:24:57internal consistency, providing for applicability, repealer, and providing for severability, inclusion in the land development code, and an effective date.

   Sun Coast

   2:25:07Okay. All right, Nicky Ren, County Engineer. This presentation is even shorter. I'm gonna do I think six slides including the title. So brief overview on mobility fees. We've already talked quite a bit about this. They pay for new transportation facilities. We add to them gas taxes, sales tax, and TIFF. They can only be updated every four years. The increases that we are proposing as part of this update do require a unanimous vote by the County Commission. A couple of numbers that we didn't give you

   2:25:37in the last presentation. We're looking at a $6.9 billion need. That's the cost of infrastructure that is anticipated to be necessary over the next 25 years to support that growth to a million people. Uh about nine hundred fifty new lane miles, which of corresponds to Thirty six? Thirty-eight miles per year is what we're supposed to be constructing. And our pr thirty eight lane miles per year. And our projected revenues are short of the need. If we do nothing to our mobility fee rates, they're

   2:26:07short of the need by almost three billion dollars. And then I also mentioned earlier the BCC did hear a workshop on these proposed fee rates in uh November and they endorsed and gave us direction to move forward with the rates that were being that are being shown to you this afternoon. Quick question

   Unidentified speaker

   2:26:24and

   Sun Coast

   2:26:24to

   Moody

   2:26:24go back to that slide.

   Unidentified speaker

   2:26:25Yeah. With a shortfall of two point nine billion, you said That's cool. Out to twenty thirty. Twenty fifty. Twenty fifty. Yeah, that's a twenty five year forecast.

   2:26:39And is that

   Moody

   2:26:39two point nine billion in twenty twenty six dollars or twenty

   Sun Coast

   2:26:44So what happens is we discount the future revenues to become current dollars. Present value. And then we Yeah, we use present value for the revenues and then we establish costs based on present value costs.

   Connected City

   2:26:56So it's two point nine billion present dollars

   Sun Coast

   2:26:59shortfall. That's right.

   Connected City

   2:27:01So twenty five years it's Ten million dollars in short cost. Yeah. Reason for

   Moody

   2:27:08the question. Yes. Okay. All right, I understand.

   Sun Coast

   2:27:12Um this is the fee rate table that we're proposing. Now these are We if you're familiar with our mobility fee rate system, we also have urban area and rural area tables and we have various forms of development. We have standard uh mixed-use trip reducing. uh traditional neighborhood development and tr and transit oriented development. So four different types of development. three different areas, what I'm showing you in the summary table is a suburban standard development. Most

   2:27:42common, we get most of our fees in that category, and that's why I'm highlighting best content, but the actual fee tables for each of those scenarios are in the attachment. This gives you an idea of the proposed increases. And again, we're proposing to increase the fees over two equal installments, starting with an effective date of July 1 of 2026, and then a second increase in July 1 of 2027. And then keep in mind by state law, when this fee increase is adopted,

   2:28:12presuming that it goes forward, we will be restricted from performing another update. For four years. So the fees that are going to be in place on July one of twenty-seven will remain in place for that two year period. Thro almost three year period until we can uh consider another fee schedule and update. Per state law.

   Connected City

   2:28:35So some some of those fees are d actually decreasing, correct?

   Sun Coast

   2:28:40So that's that's correct. We have um

   2:28:46So so we're we're also one of the objectives of this LDC amendment is to streamline and simplify as much of the code as we can in this particular paragraph. If you ever looked at this section of of the land development code, it's 40 pages of text and then 100 pages of tables. The proposed amendments will reduce that to ten pages of text and four pages of tables. It's remarkably more concise. The details still live in the mobility fee study

   2:29:17report, so if you want any of that additional information, you you can seek it out as far as the content that was in the original tables. All of the regulations that are in the land development code are being maintained in the amended language. We're just writing it a lot cleaner and simpler. in this proposed update. So I I say that because one of the items are uh the re the restaurants were consolidating from um the question of subjectively determining are you a high quality um sit down restaurant, are you

   2:29:47a turn uh or a high turnover sit down restaurant or are you a quality restaurant Do you have paper napkins? Do you have cloth napkins? Do you have black napkins? Like all that stuff we're we're setting aside and saying, look, If you're building a drive-thru, you're going to have more traffic. you pay a higher rate. If you don't have a drive-thru, you pay a lower rate. Easy. Easy to discern on a building permit. It's not subjective. We move it. It allows everybody to move forward a little more quickly.

   Connected City

   2:30:12And then I I noticed another one that was um for owner-builder, uh existing owner-builder.

   Sun Coast

   2:30:18That was at the request of board members at the workshop. They said, Hey, how are our long-term Pasco residents who want to blossom into home ownership going to be protected from these large fee increases? And um I'll let you get guess as to which commissioners were pursuing that, but that there was a desire to introduce a discount structure. So that those long-term Pasco residents who are pursuing a new home as an owner builder would pay reduced fees. And so this I'm very happy to see that.

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:30:48So they also discounted the rate for locally owned small.

   Sun Coast

   2:30:51The L D C amendment allows for those folks to pay the lowest fee, the T O D rate. And the um same thing with the uh s locally owned small businesses, they're currently paying the traditional neighborhood development rate, which is fifty percent of the suburban total. Now they're gonna pay the T O D rate, which is seventy-five percent discount from the suburban standard rate. So th both of those two entities we're we're taking care of our own While still acknowledging that there are a lot of people who are coming from outside of Pasco who want to live here and make this their home,

   2:31:22and we want to ensure that we have enough resources. to build as much of the road network to accommodate them as we can.

   2:31:32Some of that content is here. We are retaining the 100% discount for hotels, offices, and industrial uses at board request. We are retaining and uh the discount for single family and accessory dwelling units on five plus acre lots. That's a those are existing. Um we are increasing, as I just mentioned, the discount for locally owned small businesses. We've added this new discount for long-term Pasco residents who are constructing Pasco residents. Someone who has resided in Pasco County for at least 10 years.

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:32:01And they're an owner builder. And what

   Sun Coast

   2:32:04uh pursuing an owner builder permit. So that that eliminates the potential of a uh of a of a national home builder saying, Well, I'm selling to a person who has lived here for a very long time. It's it's a unique scenario where we're saying, as an owner builder, if you have lived here for ten years.

   Connected City

   2:32:23But that would prevent a long term resident that wants to rebuild their raise and repair their house. uh from hiring a contractor. So if they hired a contractor, a G C to do it, then they wouldn't be s be able to get that discount.

   Sun Coast

   2:32:40I'm I'm guessing we could probably see our way too.

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:32:43Okay.

   Sun Coast

   2:32:44Making that

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:32:45program requires you to say that you're acting as your own contractor, and you have to sign an affidavit that you'll live in the house for a year. Correct. Yeah.

   Moody

   2:32:52And you also have to sign an affidavit that you'll personally supervise all the work.

   Connected City

   2:32:56Correct. So if you have someone that let's say they live in a capable of doing that. Right.

   2:33:06in with some money, they want to rebuild their like knock the whole house down and start over. Um if they hired a contractor, then they would have to pay the higher higher mobility fees.

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:33:16That's accurate, but that's the only program that exists that we can ensure they would actually live in the home. Right. Any other one they can flip it, that's the problem.

   Sun Coast

   2:33:28Yeah. To your concern, they could sign the affidavit and then they could delegate delegate to the contractor separately without putting their name on the permits to get the oversight and the professional guidance, but still get the low the lower rates. There there are ways that they could navigate the system.

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:33:45Okay. The key with the owner builder program is they at least are representing that they're gonna live in the home for a year. I

   Connected City

   2:33:51think. Yeah. Along with that they're representing they're gonna personally oversee the project and have liability for it, so

   2:34:00I just was questioning whether or not that met the intent of the The new Language.

   Sun Coast

   2:34:07Go ahead and uh the last three items on here, we are proposing minor amendments to the map borders for the benefit area districts. I'll show you that on a subsequent slide. It controls where the money can be spent. We are simplifying the mobility fee surcharges within the connected city and the VOPH special districts. And then again, we're overall simplifying the language in the land development code to streamline and make it easier to consume. As far as the benefit district map goes, we're clearly adding

   2:34:37the two special districts to the map. They're already recognized informally in the Land Development Code. We're making it very easily, easy to discern where those boundaries lie for connected city and villages of Pasadena Hills. And then we're also proposing to change the lines between districts one and two and two and three. The simple point is we would like to draw the lines along county roadways. And that allows for us to recognize the shared travel nature of the adjacent districts, and it allows for us

   2:35:08to invest the fees generated in those two districts in those major roadways that both districts depend on. And today our our zones don't do that. So that that's the kind of

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:35:18roads that are on the lines are you can use dis fee money from either district.

   Sun Coast

   2:35:23That's correct. Okay. Yeah, so when you look at the boundary, I'll just use one and two for an example. When you look at the boundary, it follows Shady Hills Boulevard, it follows Sun Lake Boulevard, and it follows Rangeland Boulevard. Those are three projects that we have an intense need to build, and it would be great if we could res if we could pool resources from both of the two districts. in order to afford them. Same answer. Two and three, we follow uh Bellamy and Old Pasco and Wesley Chapel Boulevard. Same purpose. And then we kinda we

   2:35:53kinda jump over and we follow Livingston to the south.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:35:57Okay.

   Sun Coast

   2:35:59Again, recommendation on this one is accept public comment, and then we're asking you to find the proposed amendments consistent with a comprehensive plan.

   GreyChair

   2:36:08All right. Do we have any public comment?

   2:36:13I see no one.

   2:36:16Thank you, Nick.

   2:36:20Any

   Connected City

   2:36:21further comments from up here?

   2:36:24Yeah, I mean I agree that it's kind of I understand the position they're in, but it is kind of kicking the can instead of trying to address the root problem.

   2:36:35But

   GreyChair

   2:36:35Yeah, I mean I still like the idea of, you

   2:36:37know,

   2:36:37forming some kind of a group to basically play a brain trust, see if they can come up with more ideas. I mean, you you have some good ideas, you know, about you know, with bonds and so forth.

   Connected City

   2:36:49Geo bonds, yeah. But there's

   GreyChair

   2:36:51you know, there's maybe other ideas. And I think it's worth forming a you know, a group of uh pe you know, people with work in those areas and you know, can really add something to the conversation. Um never hurt. My biggest concern

   Moody

   2:37:10Is

   2:37:13When I look at the

   2:37:16Length of time. Over which the the pre-construction planning horizon is For a project. This is gonna take a lot of projects.

   2:37:34And make them no longer feasible. And I'm not sure that we're in the right time and place in the economy. where we can just afford to Let these projects fall by the wayside. The biggest employer in this county is the government.

   2:37:55The next biggest employer in this county's construction industry. Okay. And if these projects fall by the wayside because now all of a sudden they don't make sense because we jacked up the fees. Unemployment creates us a lot bigger problems.

   2:38:15And I don't want to see that happen. And we're already seeing we're already in a housing market. slump. Some are saying we're in a housing market recession. I guess that depends on where you look at it.

   2:38:28Houses are staying, I mean. In twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two, people lined up outside of houses to offer more than the asking price and buy it the first day it went on to market.

   2:38:41Now it takes a hundred and twenty, a hundred and fifty. The house next door to me took over eighteen months to sell. and required a hundred thousand dollar price reduction. That's going on all over the place. There's a time and a place to raise the fees. And that was probably back at the end of twenty twenty one. I'm just not sure this is the right time. and the right place. And this is difficult for me. 'Cause I believe

   2:39:11me, I understand the need for the roads and I understand the problem of the lag time. that it takes to design the roads. But I also look at

   2:39:23Fees on a schedule are pie in the sky. They're not money in the bank. And if you kill projects in the process then that's even less money you have to work with. That's so that's my concern with all of this.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:39:38Well the the catch twenty two is is if you keep proceeding on the track that you're on, you add the traffic to the road and you make the deficit bigger between what it takes to build the road and and the roads that it's a lot of different things.

   Moody

   2:39:54That's true. If the project's dead I don't get the the traffic that went along with it.

   Connected City

   2:40:00I is there any language in this that um grandfathers any uh applications already in process?

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:40:08Well building permits, yes. Build complete building permit applications submitted before the effective date are always grandfather.

   Connected City

   2:40:16Right, but not projects that are in zoning or not plan.

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:40:22Not not zoning site plan, no. Right.

   Moody

   2:40:26These are people that are making big investments. And those are the ones you don't want to have

   Connected City

   2:40:31fall out. Right.

   Moody

   2:40:31Right. So those are the ones right. Those are the ones Because some

   Connected City

   2:40:33of those people have committed hundreds of thousands of dollars to that process at this point and you know, they're not in building permit yet, but they've very well invested, you know, to the tune of Hundreds of thousands, if not even millions. on a project that, you know, now is going to be tremendously more expensive. So is that something that was considered to to add that language? I mean that would be my r recommendation is to add that language for projects that are

   2:41:03in process.

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:41:07The the problem with that is that we have so many

   2:41:14zonines out there that It would exclude too many It would it would effectively kill the revenue source. I mean

   Moody

   2:41:25But you don't have a revenue source if the project doesn't get done.

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:41:31I understand that but I I don't know where to Where

   Connected City

   2:41:34to draw the line.

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:41:35I don't know where to draw that line and I'm also trying to think about all the developers that

   2:41:42Like the developer we're dealing with in passing the Hills that needs these fees increased so he can absorb his credits. So If I exempt all the projects that need to pay him so he can absorb his credits, he's not gonna be able to absorb him.

   Connected City

   2:42:01I mean how much could an investor have invested before they ever get to site plan? Just if you have to do a comp plan amendment and a zoning change. My next door neighbor charges over five hundred dollars an hour. Yeah, I mean it a major project it could be a tremendous amount of money spent just before before you ever get to site plan.

   GreyChair

   2:42:26Yeah, I w I mean, I just think in i in terms of fairness, if I put myself in that position, I I would Like, you know, once you if you're a developer and once you get Zoning in in uh And Land use approval. I mean the permitting process should be just part of the process. It I think he should be grandfather after that. After the after you get Your plan approved, basically, your zoning plan approved.

   2:42:57Preliminary plan.

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:42:59I'm just gonna be honest with you. Yeah. Chairman. If you vest everybody who's zoned, you might as well just throw this ordinance out. Yeah. You're not going to collect any revenue.

   GreyChair

   2:43:10Yeah, but well I think John's uh desmands.

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:43:13I don't think you realize how many pro how many zone how many

   Moody

   2:43:15properties we have in zone. I understand your point. I I get that. I get that. But it

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:43:23That we have so many old zonings in this county that that have been I don't think you realize how many zonings I come across my desk that have been zoned that way since nineteen seventy.

   GreyChair

   2:43:34Yeah, I'm not talking about those properties. I'm talking I'm not talking about speculative zoning. Talking about

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:43:40We have lots of zonings that have been on the books For a long time.

   Moody

   2:43:47You could

   GreyChair

   2:43:47put

   Moody

   2:43:47a time frame on it. I think the The issue for me is this. It's that you're trying to jam the increase in the short period of time, which is in this window. Window of when a project happens. And I think that's why the legislature gave you this those guys recognize this. It they recognize how long it takes in advance to plan and then start implementing, executing

   2:44:18a project. That's why they created the four years. We're trying to do it in two and declare

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:44:27Well they also said that if

   Moody

   2:44:28extraordinary

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:44:29circumstances and that I mean But they also said if you declare extraordinary circumstances you gotta do it in at least two increments.

   Connected City

   2:44:38Yeah, well yeah, step four, but But two years is well within that window of time.

   Moody

   2:44:45Extraordinary circumstances. Bieber didn't tell me that the growth was gonna be high. You know what? In In March of 2020.

   2:44:57I started noticing all these cars parked on Grand Boulevard in front of my office that had New Jersey license plates, Ohio license plates, and Michigan license plates and New York license plates. Oregon. How many people come here from Oregon?

   2:45:12By August. All those license plates from all those other states were still here. They're usually gone. It's too damn hot for them here, right?

   2:45:23By twenty twenty one people were lining up out in s front of houses put on the market that afternoon. Nope. You guys in planning development and economic growth were overwhelmed with an avalanche of MPUD applications for all and then we act like, well, Bieber didn't tell us the people were moving here. You knew they were moving here. You process you had to process all their applications.

   2:45:51Mike Fizzano didn't know when they needed to get their driver's licenses changed from New York to Florida? I mean, come on, this wasn't a big surprise. The governor was welcome with open arms. We were the covet capital. Come here, escape your escape your oppressive government up north and come to the Free State of Florida. Yeah, we welcomed him with open arms. Maybe we shouldn't have. I don't know, but that's what we did. So we can't act like growth is a surprise. I just don't know how we declare that to be an extraordinary it was something we couldn't

   2:46:21foresee.

   Connected City

   2:46:22Well and you're only truncating the table by two years, right? So why couldn't that two year window be filled by a bond?

   2:46:33Right? And then those pro then those properties would still come online because it's fees they would expect or they were expecting and the revenue would be there to pay the bond. You can't bond impact fee, if that's your question. But there are they're exploring bonds

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:46:51to

   Moody

   2:46:51build remote.

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:46:55Correct. In that case we're bonding tax increment revenue because Pasco Hills has its own tax increment district, which we're bonding that revenue.

   Connected City

   2:47:07So it's just in the case of Pastian Hills. So

   2:47:13bonds could in particular be couldn't potentially be used elsewhere in the county to f to build roads is what you're saying.

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:47:20You we have a tax a a county wide tax increment district which in theory could be used to bond as well, but it's not. It's it's not as robust a r of a revenue source. As it is in V O P H? I'm not saying it can't be done. I don't wanna be clear, it can be done and just

   Connected City

   2:47:39not Well and that revenu s could that revenue source be instead of increasing mobility fees, then you Seek to increase that revenue source instead? That's

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:47:49what we just talked about. That's the revenue source that is under attack by the legislature. That's effectively property taxes. So now let me Uh it's likely to be cut, not increased. I'm not sure the legislature was the one attacking it. The governor's attacking it. Okay, well

   2:48:12Somebody in Tallahassee is attacking that revenue source. I don't know.

   Moody

   2:48:17I

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:48:18think that's the

   Moody

   2:48:18governor.

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:48:20I d I don't think we're inclined to increase that revenue source given the current sediment in Tallahassee area.

   2:48:30We'll be lucky if we keep to keep it as is. Let me put it that way.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:48:36I mean nobody likes a fee increase of of any kind. I mean everybody wants to always no matter what it is increase taxes, increase mobility fees. I mean but the the fact of the matter is is there's a shortfall, a significant shortfall. Either if you're gonna have the growth and you want the growth, you need the roads. If you don't need the roads, you can't have the growth. So

   Moody

   2:49:00Yeah, my my fear of it, Jamie, just d I'm not saying for the long term. Only in the short term. Sure. Is that We're kidding ourselves. We're gonna have projects die on the vine. That's fees we're not going to collect. If we were in The mania.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:49:24Sure.

   Moody

   2:49:25The building mania that we were in in Twenty twenty one through twenty twenty early twenty twenty four.

   2:49:35I would say, Well, if a couple fell off the vine, so what? But we're not in that mania anymore. We're in a different situation.

   2:49:47Work. We may still have some rezoning, but you know, you go look at the number of rezoning we approved. We used to have to come in here and approve ten and twenty of 'em at a time every other two weeks, okay? Now it's Right, and we were doing 'em in huge numbers. Today was nothin'. Ninety six condo units in an existing development, infill I mean

   2:50:14I just don't think it's the right time economically for that. There may be, and maybe things will get Turn around. And there'll be a time. That's just my thoughts and This is one of those areas where you may not have unanimity. Your job your job, Nick, will be to get unanimity when you get to the board 'cause that's part of the statute. Just kinda damn

   Connected City

   2:50:41get it here. It's kinda damned if you'll be damned if you don't, you know. Yeah.

   Christopher Poole

   2:50:46And they take in a project, just for curiosity, design builder C Mar or something like that. I mean, what is that typically cut out of the life cycle of a project? And is there opportunities for contractor financing on Those projects.

   Sun Coast

   2:51:04It it could be as little as nine months, maybe as much as two years. So quite

   Christopher Poole

   2:51:09a bit.

   Sun Coast

   2:51:10Yeah.

   2:51:16Yeah, we gotta work through David's colleagues to make sure we're documenting compliance with state procurement regulations on our design build contract or solicitations. Um so you know government is Designed to be accountable.

   Bill Oliver

   2:51:31Understand yeah, the other the other the other thought too though is that the developers are usually building on virgin land. But they are so yeah.

   2:51:44When the government goes in to widen a road, it's usually an existing road with utilities, power poles, b property damages. It's just a different animal. Yep. So

   2:51:56Good call.

   GreyChair

   2:52:01So Way over here, David.

   GirardiVice Chair

   2:52:09Okay.

   2:52:11Okay, you're

   2:52:14Duty here is to decide whether it's consistent with the comp plan.

   2:52:23Which the agenda memo outlines the reasons it's consistent with the complaint.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:52:31Well like I said before, I I mean nobody's ever in favor of a fee increase, but I don't think we I don't see really we have a choice here, so I want to move approval. Um that this is consistent with the comp plan.

   GreyChair

   2:52:42All right, so we have a motion. Do we have a second on the motion? I'll I'll second it. Motion and a second. Any further discussion on that?

   2:52:51No further discussion? All in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, like sign?

2. 2Apr 21, 2026
   Board of County CommissionersP36Public hearingNo action

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   No action was taken as this was the first public hearing. The adoption hearing was scheduled for May 5, 2026 at 1:30 p.m. in Dade City.

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   MarianoChair

   10:57Mr. County Attorney, should we go to the next item to follow up with

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   11:00it? You might as well go to 36 and uh do the first first hearing on the ordinance. Okay. Mr.

   Starkey

   11:09Chairman can do publication.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   11:10Please.

   Starkey

   11:11Item P thirty-six was published in the Tampay Times on March 4th, 2026.

   MarianoChair

   11:15Thank you.

   11:20Oh

   Sun Coast

   11:22All right. Now we're going to run through a brief presentation summarizing the changes that are proposed to the ordinance, including those extraordinary circumstance fee increases that we just discussed.

   11:34Am I ready to go?

   11:38Okay, so this is an ordinance By the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners. Can I skip that one? Okay. All right, let me give you the overview. The overview is that mobility fees pay for only new transportation facilities. They pay for facilities that are needed to accommodate growth and development, not existing demands. The revenue generated by mobility fees, this is all a reminder to the board, but the revenue generated by the mobility fees

   12:08is also supplemented by gas taxes in Pasco County. We are fortunate to have a penny sales tax, a portion of which goes to transportation capital projects. And we also allocate a portion of property tax revenue to transportation capital projects through the tax increment fund. As I mentioned earlier, mobility fees can be updated no more often than every four years. And I want to emphasize again that the proposed increases in this ordinance will require a unanimous vote of the Commission to implement them. We want to remind you that our projected

   12:38need for transportation facilities is nearly $7 billion. Because we will add 330,000 new residents and we will require an additional 950 lane miles to support the demand for those 330,000 new residents. Our projected revenues, even with the current rates, are short of that need by round uh uh with the current rates that are not adjusted by this proposed increase, we'll be short of that funding that need by about two point nine billion dollars. And that's why we came to you in November,

   13:09we presented increases, we got your feedback at a workshop, and we are now showing you the proposed fee rates for mobility fees for various land uses in this ordinance, consistent with the following slides in the November workshop.

   13:24So, highlights from the workshop. You told us by all means keep the 100% subsidy or discount for hotel, office, and industrial uses. This is available to us as a Pasco County distinctive. We can use it for economic development purposes to attract these major employers to our area and entice them to locate their businesses here. You told us to retain the sing the discount for single family and accessory dwelling units on five acre or more lots, uh rural lots. You directed

   13:55us to increase the locally owned small business discount, which we have done. We've added uh increased it by twenty-five percent. You've directed us to create a new discount for long-term Pasco residents who are constructing new homes as owner builders, and the land development code allows for that. It's a new discount. We are also proposing to update the map showing the benefit districts where the fees can be spent once they've been collected. We're proposing, as part of this amendment, to simplify the surcharge tables for our two. special

   14:26districts, the connected city and uh villages of Pasadena Hills. And lastly, we're trying to simplify the language as much as possible without altering the regulatory substance of it to make it a little more readable and user-friendly to the people it's regulating.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   14:41Question, Chairman

   WeightmanVice Chair

   14:42Mariano. Uh Nate, go back please. Indeed. So the the discount for the uh

   14:50Remind me how we got to the five acre lots. We just approved a number of uh essentially rural lots Kishokley talks about it, they're two and a half acres of minor rural subdivisions. Should that pertain more to the what's considered a monorail subdivision instead of at the five acre limit? How do we get to the five acre or more?

   Sun Coast

   15:13So I'm gonna

   WeightmanVice Chair

   15:14defer to our Chief Assistant County Attorney because the the five acre is to encourage minor rural subdivisions.

   Sun Coast

   15:24I want to acknowledge this is an existing code provision.

   15:29It wasn't

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   15:30really based on the minor rural subdivisions. It's actually a it was something that's in the existing mobility fee and it originated I think in 2014 and it it occurred because um we had there was some concern that the rural fees were higher than the suburban fees and we didn't want to penalize somebody who was building in the rural area and they were building consistent with our rural vision. And so So in our rural vision, we basically said,

   16:00well, if somebody's building on a lot that's five acres or greater, that's consistent with our rural vision. And so we shouldn't want to penalize somebody for building consistent with that rural vision. So we said they should be able to pay the same fees as if as if they were in the suburban area. area. So we had to come up with a lot size that would be consistent with that rural vision. That's how we came up with the five-acre lots.

   16:26Not saying we couldn't Come up with a smaller lot size, but that was what we came up with at the time is the lot size that was consistent with a rural vision.

   WeightmanVice Chair

   16:35Well the rural vi northeast rural is comprised of m multiple lot sizes for the rural vision in east Pasco. So and and it is true and I agree with you that if you want to live a more rural life you're being penalized by paying more for less

   Starkey

   16:50services. It costs more to deliver.

   WeightmanVice Chair

   16:55The people who live in the urban areas require ten times as much service than the folks who want to live more of a rural life. Therefore I think it should be opposite and they should pay more because there's a higher demand on everything. But whatever, that's a different conversation for a different day. But if we want to encourage the modern rural subdivision life and rural living, land's a luxury item today. It wasn't back in two thousand and four. Wouldn't you say fourteen? There was a whole lot more land that was undeveloped then than it is today. And so if we want to encourage

   17:25the more rural lifestyle, I think number two needs to align with today's market. Land's a luxury item today, and it's highly expensive. And so for someone to buy an acre or two acres of land, that's a pile of money. They're gonna pay the highest impact fee, that's a pile of money. They're gonna build a custom, semi-custom home, and then they're sitting on taxable value of probably a million plus on the low end. In that range. in the northeast rural end based

   17:55on real estate markets. So because of that, and if we want to encourage that, I think this five acres needs to come down and morally align with the lot sizes that are allowed Throughout the definition of what Northeast rule is, but I'll digress to Commissioner Oakley on that. Um that way we try to encourage that

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   18:17type of it's it's up to the board. I mean really this goes to what glass sizes do you want to encourage in the northeast rural area because that was the goal of this is is

   18:30See we're reducing the rate for these lot sizes in the rural areas, so you were trying to encourage this type of lot in the rural areas, which we're basically doing. So we basically were trying to send a message that we were trying to encourage five acre lots and higher in the rural area. That was the goal of this. If you if the board wants to set it at two and a half acres and that's what we want to encourage in the rural area, that's up to the board. It's really trying to set a message of what lot sizes you want to encourage in the rural area.

   WeightmanVice Chair

   18:58I don't necessarily think it's an encouraging of a lot size more or less and and more of an encouraging of the lifestyle

   19:07which is what modern rule living is.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   19:12Well, lot sizes or lifestyle, I it's if you if you reduce the fee for this size lot, you are effectively sending a message that that you're encouraging that lot size. Well

   WeightmanVice Chair

   19:25yeah, we're

   19:27not going to

   19:27be that you want executive housing, you

   19:28know,

   19:28an acre Chair brought it up acre or more lots, but if we said two and a half acres, look at this is just being flexible to the way the market shifted. Right? It's incredibly expensive to live here in Pasco County. So If you want to encourage and not have people come in and subdividing their property, they're going to try to come and get more than five acres. We just saw it a couple months ago. People are gonna continuus continually push and push and push the

   19:59as much density on their lot sizes as possible. Yeah. So You know, I think that's a good idea They may not do that.

   Starkey

   20:10If we're a little more flexible on the five acre lot size. And it's down to the two and a half acre lot size.

   WeightmanVice Chair

   20:19My opinion. But uh

   Starkey

   20:21I should make it. I got my hand up.

   MarianoChair

   20:24I'm gonna go to you.

   Starkey

   20:25Let me finish. I love

   MarianoChair

   20:26it. Just wonder I got you. We can't go to start.

   Starkey

   20:30Um I'm not saying I'm against a two and a half acre lot, but you just have to understand the facts of the cost of suburban versus rural infrastructure. I sent Gina an email if you could put that up and I just did AI, which And I said, which costs less to deliver services? Rural and it came out Lands, but it's supposed to be Lands, but they knew what I was talking about. Or Suburban. Um and so you'll you'll see there that rural costs more. And but just thinking on the road

   21:00side Think of how much it's gonna cost to pay Bayhead versus the amount of people living on Bayhead versus a road here. You know, how many taxpayers we have on I don't know, Pick a Road, Darlington or whatever, versus Bayhead, it's all y we're subsidizing the you know The costs per capita are much higher in the rural area to deliver services. We've we've had a couple uh

   21:31meetings here. I don't know if it was Gladys Jackson or who. That taught us all about these things. And that those are some of the things you learn when you go to ULI conference or the CNU conference about these kind of numbers. Um and I I don't know where Terry is, but right behind Nick. You I if you wanna you're you're smarter on this than I am, I just know what I've learned. Um

   21:57I'm not sure if you're not going to be

   22:01I'm not saying I'm against the two and a half acre, but I I don't know if I want to subsidize it even more than we are already, but you want to espouse on what I'm trying to say?

   Oakley

   22:12Sure. Uh Nicaragua Spito's playing development and economic growth. What I think Commissioner Starkey is uh referring to is the fact that when you have more people, more density, in other words, you have um more ability to spread the cost of the

   WeightmanVice Chair

   22:25infrastructure. I understand it all. I get all that. I disagree with that per. Yeah. I think it's hogwash, and I think when you go to these conferences, there's a level of brainwashing that goes on to fulfill the urban agenda and the high density development agenda. We're specifically here trying to encourage a certain way of living that's really expensive now. Land is a luxury item in Florida. and especially in Pasco County. So if in the comp plan we want to encourage a more rural

   22:55style living when they're already going to pay the highest level of impact fee. We're going to require the less services. Go look at the FIRE 911 call log. You know what I'm saying? You see where I'm getting at. I don't need to go we kinda debated this in the other workshop. I'm just saying If we want to encourage that and we want to have that type of buyer come into our county. You know, this is one of the ways we can do it because it's not cheap anymore. It's expensive. And if we want to have executive

   23:25style housing come in That's just one way to do it. I mean there'll be a little bit on wire grass and others, but Again, it's congen those folks aren't choosing to necessarily want to live in the more urban areas of this county. Right. So that's that's my point to this. I don't need a lecture on the

   Oakley

   23:42I don't think uh from a planning perspective. I'm Little bad.

   Starkey

   23:46Um with the East Pasco Rural Protection Ordinance. Is it five acres that you're supposed to have or is it two and a half? Or do we have to change those would what is the minimum that we set without there, eight? R right

   Oakley

   24:01now in the Northeast Rural Area, according to the comprehensive plan, one acre is the minimum rural acreage.

   Starkey

   24:07Okay, so two and a half acres would fit. Already in the

   Oakley

   24:10East Pasco

   Starkey

   24:10Rome. Okay.

   MarianoChair

   24:13All right, so I'm gonna jump in on close commission. Oakley wanna jump in. Okay. So and and we've talked about executive housing is is what we want. We want to get business to move here, they got right places to go. Um continually it's uh it's a problem when you only have, you know, sixty-foot, seventy-foot lots at best, where you're gonna go. Um Between all that stuff. I think that it is more expensive to have the services when you're more rural. However You brought

   24:44up a really good point. I thought you'd jump on it again. When they're paying a million dollars based taxes based upon a million dollar home compared to one that's four hundred or five hundred. Where are you going? There's money coming from that. The demographics are better. They uh the whole attribute to to the value of the the land um gets better and better the more affluent the people are. It's gonna drive the better service to get your uh fancy restaurants that you want to see in here that wanna come in. They gotta be a

   25:14demographic. You look you look at Hudson area. When Wesley Chapel was coming out of the ground, Gulf Hume was cranking. And I talked to a jewelry guy that was there. He said, I do about 70% of my business at the time, it was like fifteen years ago, from people from Westreach Chapel. Now that Wesley Chapel's got all their retail, guess what? The mall's not surviving. Now we wonder how what we're gonna do with that mall. It's not 'cause it's old, it's just Demographics have changed. And I mean I I see CVSs and Walgreens going out of business. Guess what's coming in?

   25:44Dollar Tree. What does that tell you? You want the athletes. I'm comfortable, frankly, to go look to really put a strong push out there, to go make these this discount go from the five acres, not even the two and a half. I don't care if it goes for a grant and I don't care where we put it in the county. Because I want to see those better demographics to get things going. I've seen enough of my educational folks out here telling me how great density is. Go to Wesley Chapel, go to Trinity Boulevard, drive around in that traffic and tell me that's what people really want. I'm going to say

   26:14I see a completely different world. There's a great hearing we just had at the Planning Commission up on Denton and people were pushing back about they don't want to see these small lots coming in, especially when you got larger ones beside it, to go forward. So I think I want to definitely incentivize that forward. And I'm I'm comfortable going on to an acre.

   Sun Coast

   26:33Nick? Uh Mr. Chairman I just wanna echo our uh Chief Assistant County Attorney's position that it is a board Discretion item. And then I also want to remind you that I'm seeking a unanimous approval of the proposed fee rate tables. So if you could Make sure that I understand what the unanimous consensus of this board is that will help me make the right presentation in May.

   Starkey

   26:59Yeah, well I was insulted so I'm yes. So I don't I don't need to be insulted up here. I'm about to pack up and leave because it's the second time today and I'm not taking it. So So

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   27:10my recommendation to you would be to to do a two and a half. Um I recognize that Terry did say an acre is allowed in Northeast Rural, but the comp plan also defines that as a sprawl. So I think two and a half is a good compromise for now. Um Because I don't think the Compline defines that as brawl. I think the Compline still defines two and a half as a rural level of density.

   27:36That would be my recommendation is to go to two and a half.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   27:40Okay.

   MarianoChair

   27:44Do you want to keep going? Or is that pretty much done?

   Sun Coast

   27:47I I'm prepared to continue.

   MarianoChair

   27:49Okay.

   Sun Coast

   27:52Our proposed rate table, I'm showing you a column for these are common land uses and the the rates that I'm showing you in this table are in the suburban area in a standard style or type of development. So not a traditional neighborhood development, not a TOD, just a standard form of development. Showing you a column for the current rates that we are charging for these different land uses and then based on the proposed fee tables, the rate that will become effective on July 1st of this year, and the rate increase that will occur one year from now on

   28:23July 1st of 2027. Again, these fees are proposed to be introduced in two equal annual installments. But we will not be able to increase the fees for another four years. So the intent would be the fee established in July of 27 would be the fee that remains in place for the following three years.

   28:42Uh, highlights on here, we've talked about the single family home rate. I did want to highlight the proposed discount in this code amendment for the single family home by a long-term resident as an owner builder. You can see that the proposed discount is substantial, recognizing the desire to attract and retain those folks who have resided here in Pasco, grown up here. We want them to make this. long-term home. Uh multifamily apartments eliminating any subsidy as per the board's direction in November

   29:12workshop. We are proposing to take that fee to the amount that the mobility fee study supports and do that over that two-year period. Small retail goes up s a moderate amount. This is one of those in between twenty-five and fifty percent. The medium retail, these are the corner shopping centers that tend to locate on two on your arterial intersections or arterial and collector intersections. These are the real heavy traffic generators and the fees associated with them reflect the trip making characteristics and the demand that they put on our

   29:42road network. So we're proposing those to increase. I want to mention that we are bifurcating restaurants into only two categories based on their physical construction. You either have a drive-thru and you are oriented towards automotive customers, or you don't have a drive-thru and you pay a lot less in mobility fees because you have less of a traffic impact. Very simple way to look at the restaurant uh our neighboring counties have done this. I think it was one of Commissioner Yeager's points in the November workshop was let's make sure that we're implementing things in a simple and consistent way to our neighboring counties, and this was something

   30:12we borrowed from them, and I think it's a good approach. We talked about um Convenience stores with gas pumps recognizing again they're driving a lot of the demand, so we're charging them appropriately. And then we are introducing only for this use the high cube warehouse/slash distribution. We are introducing a mobility fee for this use where it is currently subsidized at 100% because we are recognizing that these types of uses are not bringing in the high-paying jobs that we're seeking to attract. Pasco County, and frankly,

   30:43a lot of these uses are using our roadway network as inventory storage for their products. And so we think it's appropriate, and we heard from you in November, that it was supportable to introduce a fee on this type of use only while retaining the 100% reduction on traditional industrial uses because of their employment generation.

   31:02Uh we talked about rate comparisons with our neighboring counties and I've provided a summary of those same land uses, suburban area, standard form of development, what are we proposing to charge, and then what is Orange County charging, what is Osceola County charging, what is Hillsborough County charging. And I'm intending to demonstrate with this slide that we are right in line with our neighbors. We are appropriately assessing new development for the impacts that they're putting on our system and asking them to pay for those impacts through their fees.

   31:35Do want to highlight this item. We are proposing to change the boundaries of the benefit districts. We currently have a map that shows three benefit districts, west, central, and east. And we are proposing two changes to this. First, we're showing the two special areas, the connected city and V O P H areas, because the fees and the intention in the code already. is to retain the fees generated within those areas for development and infrastructure inside those areas. And we think this map should reflect that. We're also changing the boundary lines between the

   32:05zones and we're essentially proposing to use county roadways as the bounty as the boundary line between zones one and two and zones two and three. Because that's a good way to predict travel shed. It allows for us to say people on the west side of the road are tending to be attracted to one area and people on the east side are tending to be attracted to another area. And so that's that's the intent of that map update.

   MarianoChair

   32:32Could you go back to that map?

   Sun Coast

   32:33I can.

   MarianoChair

   32:35So difference from one and two is that

   Sun Coast

   32:38So in in the current code, one and the the boundary between one and two follows a power line easement, which really affects travel not at all. And the proposed map follows Shady Hills Boulevard, Shady Hills Road, and then it comes down to Sunlake Boulevard, follows Rangeland, and then goes down Livingston. So those are the four county roads that do a better job of bifurcating travel on a local level.

   MarianoChair

   33:02So Shady Hills Road, if it's on both sides of it, how does it affect the funding?

   Sun Coast

   33:07That means that fees generated in zone one or zone two could be allocated to a capacity investment on Shady Hills Road. Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   33:14I

   33:15have

   33:15a question for

   WeightmanVice Chair

   33:15the Chairman Mariano So Chairman your district on the north side of your district on fifty-two as you get further up in the Hudson and headed towards Ron Indo. They're still very similar properties to kind of what's in northeast roll with uh equestrian and whatnot in there. Would would this with his area and the folks that live that lifestyle With kind of the northeast roll type that's up in Chair's area. With

   33:46what he was saying earlier, would there be we could tie in the benefit if there's consensus on the one, the two and a half acre or whatever we land on this for people in in the chairs area if there was Remember you bought down rural to

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   34:03suburban. If Chair's area is already designating suburban, they're already paying those rates. Yeah.

   34:13So the oil equestrian community

   WeightmanVice Chair

   34:16are paying these rates. That's a ball for

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   34:18Hayden. David can weigh in, but but if that's if that was the rationale for that exem that exemption that it was we were subsidizing the r those large lot rurals into a more suburban impact or mobility fee rate It would depend on whether that air the chair's area that we're talking about is designated rural or suburban.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   34:44Surely that's our if it was already suburban, it would already be with paying suburban rates. If it was rural, then the lot size issue would matter. Would be covered. Well but it would be

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   34:54covered by that exemption.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   34:56Yeah, but but these are not the right maps to discuss that issue. These are the maps where the government where we spend the money and not how much they pay pay us.

   35:08That's a different that's a different set

   MarianoChair

   35:09of maps. maps. Will that be upcoming in this presentation?

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   35:12Well, he's not. I don't think Nick is proposing to change

   Sun Coast

   35:14those maps. Unfortunately we're answering based on the principle, not based on the an another slide showing the boundaries. But I I just want to echo what both of your attorneys have said. The the fee rate that someone pays is based on whether they are the development is within a suburban designated area. or a rural area. The only reason the reduction would apply is if a home was being constructed within the rural area, and then we would defer to lot size to determine whether it was eligible

   35:45to pay the reduced suburban fee or it would be obligated to pay the rural fee.

   MarianoChair

   35:51Between

   MarianoChair

   35:52I'm gonna say just With it be in Rural, suburban. If I get someone who wants to build a project and have one acre lots no matter where it is, I'm comfortable getting them the lower rate. Because just like I said, the density I've seen, we're not keeping up. You know, we talk about growth is never gonna keep up. But if I can get those better demographics for the people with larger properties, with the increased taxes they're gonna generate year to year, no matter what other benefits they bring by having their higher incomes, I I'm okay with that type of scenario. Commissioner

   36:22Oakley.

   Oakley

   36:23When you look at the rural area itself at five acre lots. If you change that The reason reason they pay more, as they have m more mileage to travel on the roads 'cause they're in a rural area to get to the services they're going to get to. And I was always told by mobility that's that's why they paid more is because it costs more on that to provide that road because they're less dense than what a suburban areas.

   36:55So you got more in a suburban area you got more people paying toward that road. And in the ruler you got less people paid for it.

   MarianoChair

   37:03However, part of the money that we get from these people is the pr in the property taxes, we're taking a a chunk of that for mobility. You've also got when these people are driving that much further, every put every gallon of gas are using the there's money falling back to us as well. And if it's sales tax benefiting from a penny, you're getting some money back from other things as well. So just It's like so it's not just all one thing or not. It's like I'm I'm looking at the whole big picture of it. And again, with all the density that I've seen, we keep on pushing density, density, we keep on getting more and more backed up.

   37:33I don't mind the approach to saying, look, I want to see some larger homes and maybe you get some different type of developers who aren't gonna compete with the guy who's gonna stick in forties and fifties and sixties.

   37:57I don't mind us shifting back a bit to say, I mean, let's give it a let's give it a run for a few years.

   Oakley

   38:07that that they feel like They're paying I mean they're paying less but the fact of it you don't want it to come dense the rural way of life in Pasco County and in the Northeast with the Rural Ordinance and all that, you gotta be careful or you'll you'll end up with everything in the rural area looking like suburb. I don't I don't think I don't think our citizens want that. All right, so what uh and don't get me wrong, there's people

   38:37out there and there's some projects that I know are coming our way in in this rural area that are gonna be ten acre lots or better and large homes, two, three million dollar homes on those lots. But there's a certain amount of people that want that kind of lifestyle and they don't want to lessen the density so it be or make it more density where they're like they're living in town. They don't want to live in town. They want out out and have bigger

   39:08lots.

   39:11So you gotta divide it some way. So you don't just do away with rural America.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   39:17I don't I don't think that you guarantee The assumption that you're going to get a million dollar home on a one acre piece of ground is not necessarily what I think will end up happening. I mean hopefully at one acre you're at that sort of as yeah. That's sprawl, that's defined as being sprawl. You're gonna get some large homes but you're gonna get some small homes too.

   39:49you know, they mobile uh mobiles would be in a different category, but but there's I don't think I don't n necessarily th think it equates that that if you by encouraging one acre lots you're going to get higher property value homes. You may. But I'm not I I just don't want yeah you to make that assumption Well

   Oakley

   40:10I know that's not I know for a fact there's some projects coming in that are ten ac gonna be ten or acre home sites and the homes are planned to be two three million dollar homes and there's only like forty-five in this one project. But that covers over 450 acres, and you're gonna have all these nice homes on that. They don't want The density. They want more room. But not everybody is like that.

   40:42Just like they w in a suburban area, there's many people that are right up next to people and the fact of it is, would they rather have an acre lot? Yeah, they'd rather have an acre lot. But there's a cost of that.

   MarianoChair

   40:57So the cost will be when you're paying your taxes is not just on the proper it's not just on the building itself, but it's the property too. Right. The the key is you're gonna minimize the amount of trips that are gonna go. because of being a winner lot. No when I look at the No upper part of Hudson, do they like to see all these dense units next to their rural stuff? I'm gonna tell you they don't. Oh, you know they don't. Right. And if you have any doubts, watch the last Planning Commission meeting we just had. And there's a big push for that. So And

   41:28then some of those that were in the rural area, oh, you're pulling it up, good.

   Sun Coast

   41:33I I was just gonna mention that we have the map on the screen so now you can know where the rural, the suburban and the urban area boundaries are. in order to determine where someone might be paying a rural fee unless they qualify for the discount, the five-acre lot discount. So that would only be within area C. on this map, the salmon colored Portion of the map.

   MarianoChair

   41:57The boundary between B and C in the h in the Hudson area there, is that Dentonav there?

   Sun Coast

   42:05What's that road going across? I should know this.

   42:11That's state road fifty-two. But then as you go north and it zigzags

   42:17up to up to um Hudson. Yeah the re the red line is Hudson. Hudson, okay. All right. So so

   MarianoChair

   42:24up in that area, you got some rural that's been there for many, many years. Now there's the influx coming in. Uh Denton Place I think was the project that was that would that came in. Um place Summer Chase came in years ago. So people around there with these giant lots are dealing with these smaller influx. And when we do have when we get these two-lane roads without sidewalks, without other infrastructure around it, it makes it crowded and it's gonna get even more crowded as it's coming. Do I think I'd like to see an incentive for these people to go You know, even if you could

   42:55try to go to a larger lot, like a seventy foot size lot, if I could get you to go to an acre lot, that would take a lot of stress off that whole area. 'Cause otherwise I gotta rebuild. And if I gotta try to go rebuild and try to make those two lane roads four lane roads. That's gonna be a lot more money. So as much as it's

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   43:09yeah

   MarianoChair

   43:10less impact the fees we're gonna collect, it's also a lot less road I'm gonna have to build too. that could possibly work with everything else around there.

   WeightmanVice Chair

   43:23I think they're all good ideas. It's a matter of where we land to get to unanimous vote. I I think I'm confident we'll land somewhere. It's just a matter of where I don't think there's an adversarial on this nick. I think we just gotta

   MarianoChair

   43:36Well we got a couple of weeks to gel on to think about it, talk about it, and um I think the presentation was

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   43:43wrong, this is literally one word in the code, right? It's one sentence. Right now it says five acres, right? That's right.

   43:53That's correct.

   Sun Coast

   43:54This is a text element so in

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   43:56the proposed update. It's not hard to change five acres to something else. Else but we just need more direction. Can we make that decision in two weeks? If it's just that one it it's it's one word, so yes, we could easily make that change. All

   MarianoChair

   44:10right,

   44:10so

   44:11anyone else want to add anything else more to the conversation? It's been a good conversation, I appreciate it. Because there were definitely different perspectives, different thoughts, and uh different ideas about how it all works. Okay.

   Sun Coast

   44:23Very good.

   MarianoChair

   44:24All right. Thank you, sir.

   Sun Coast

   44:25My last slide was the recommendation slide, which is accept public comment and reminding you that no action is required today. Um the second hearing, the adoption hearing is scheduled for May fifth in Dade City. Okay.

   MarianoChair

   44:37Uh is there anyone else in the in the audience uh from the public that would like to speak to this item?

   44:45Okay, we'll close public comment. Is there anyone online?

   Starkey

   44:48There's no one on WebEx and no one has signed up either.

   MarianoChair

   44:50Okay.

   David Allen

   44:51Okay. David Allen? Chair, if I may, then um you know following uh Mr. Uran's presentation what we'll do um we'll follow up with each of the board members um individually between now and the next reading and get us gauge in terms of where we're at so that when we come back on May 5th with the updated um ordinance then And I'm hoping that we'll be at a place where we get unanimous decision as as Nick uh had indicated that we need for this item. Thank you. Thank

   MarianoChair

   45:19you.

3. 3May 5, 2026
   Board of County CommissionersP41Public hearingApproved

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   MarianoChair

   8:30Thank you very much. And item P forty one.

   Sun Coast

   8:36All right. Well good afternoon.

   Starkey

   8:37Um can let me do publication real quick. I'm sorry. Item P forty one was published in Tampe Times on March 4th, 2026. Thank you.

   Sun Coast

   8:44Good afternoon, uh Mr. Chairman Members of the Board. Uh Nick Uren, County Engineer. Item P forty one is uh mobility fee increases. It is updated fee schedules and associated land development code amendments. So to read the whole ordinance title, an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land Development Code, Section 1302.2, mobility fees, to increase the mobility fees for various uses beyond the phase-in limitations

   9:14in section 163.31801, paragraph 6, Florida statutes. And other amendments as necessary for internal consistency, providing for applicability, providing for severability, inclusion in the land development code, and an effective date.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   9:33Mr. Chair. Um before Nick gives his full presentation, this item requires a unanimous vote of the board and uh my reading of the statute and the case laws that that requires a any a the entire board. So I think you can take public comment, you can hear Nick's presentation, you can have a discussion. But my recommendation to you would be that you not take the final vote today until you and you should continue it to the final the final vote until you have a full board.

   10:05So you can continue now. Thanks.

   Sun Coast

   10:08As a reminder to the board, mobility fees pay for new transportation facilities. They don't pay for existing backlogs, and they don't pay for maintenance of existing roadways. They're supplemented by gas taxes. In Pasco County, we also have a penny sales tax and tax increment funds that go toward new capacities. For our roadway network. The proposed fees in the ordinance update cover 25% of our projected nearly $7 billion of needed transportation facilities. The proposed fee increases do exceed the

   10:38statutory limits, but consistent with the requirements of statute for this situation. We have a recent study justifying the increase due to extraordinary circumstances. We have conducted two public workshops dedicated to those extraordinary circumstances. We are proposing to implement the fees in this ordinance in two equal annual increments. And as your Chief Assistant County Attorney has just mentioned we will be seeking adoption by unanimous

   11:08vote of the full governing board when it is next assembled. So that's where we are in the process. There was a conversation that happened in the first reading of this ordinance, and I want to highlight that conversation for the board. It was regarding the amount of the size of a residential lot within the rural area of Pasco County that should be eligible for a discounted suburban mobility fee rate instead of the standard rural rate. In the

   11:38draft ordinance in your backup material, the language proposed sets the acreage threshold for that lot to be five acres. There was discussion at the previous board meeting about reducing that threshold down to 2.5 acres. So I've highlighted this because the current ordinance in your backup material does not have 2.5 acres in it. It has five. So if you direct me at this meeting, we can change this and then we can present a consolidated ordinance to you

   12:08when the full board is next assembled.

   MarianoChair

   12:12I from the discussions I heard, no one's gonna be unanimous to vote. If we don't have all the votes, um it's not gonna go anywhere. So at this point I would leave it just as is and we'll have the discussion at the next meeting.

   Sun Coast

   12:26That's fine.

   WeightmanVice Chair

   12:27Now two point five looks good for the sake of conversation, but I think we can land on A unanimous vote for you.

   Sun Coast

   12:36Okay. Yeah.

   WeightmanVice Chair

   12:38So

   Sun Coast

   12:39And Mr. Chair, that was the only outstanding item I had. I'm not sure if there were others that you wanted to touch on.

   MarianoChair

   12:45No, I mean you and I had talked about uh hockey rings complexes and golf course or whatever, so that could be taken care of down the road.

   Oakley

   12:53Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   12:57Well did you did you want to discuss

   Sun Coast

   13:00uh

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   13:01the reducer I mean if you want us to change something on hockey rinks and golf courses, this is probably the best time.

   MarianoChair

   13:07Best time to

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   13:08do it? If you're asking for a change We probably want to make that change before the next board meeting. So

   MarianoChair

   13:14let me bring my discussion up. So way back when when we had the Advent Ice Hockey Ring Comp complex coming in. There was a impact fee that was scheduled, I think it's based upon three hundred eighty thousand dollars per rank. And it was like $1.2 million thereabouts. And we staff was able to work it out to actually get the number down to close to $100,000. The theory was it's an attractor, it's good for tourist development, it's good for economic development, and uh for the trips

   13:44that it's gonna bring it, it's not just regular people coming in, but a lot of tourism. The single hockey rink, I'm not gonna change that because to me that's gonna be something that's gonna be locally used. It's gonna help, but um it didn't seem to to warrant the same. So I was thinking we should take a look at that and bring those numbers down now as we did before or if we have the vehicle to already do it then we didn't have to, but so be it.

   WeightmanVice Chair

   14:09Commissioner Weightman.

   14:13What you're proposing is we look at areas of regional uh impact. It's kind of what you're referring to, like a significant

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   14:23I think use. I think he's proposing that if it's a large hockey rink that's a large tourism draw that it had be a subsidized rate. Which is what we did for convent rights.

   WeightmanVice Chair

   14:36Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   14:37So

   WeightmanVice Chair

   14:37what was your definition of that item?

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   14:40Um

   WeightmanVice Chair

   14:42I mean s no doubt that the hockey reek is a reason provides a regional impact. For the for good reasons. For good reasons, right?

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   14:50Yeah.

   Sun Coast

   14:57That was my assumption as well, that a regional attraction would provide four separate rings within the facility that was being proposed.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   15:06And so were you

   Sun Coast

   15:07if less than four pays the standard rate, more than four would be part of the discussion should we incentivize the mobility fees that are due for that larger investment in a regional facility?

   WeightmanVice Chair

   15:18It's a good idea.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   15:19So do you have a fee schedule that would implement that concept?

   Sun Coast

   15:23Well I have a slide, but that was only one of two items and I want to show Mr. Let's go one at a time.

   15:31Oh okay. All right.

   MarianoChair

   15:32The next one would be golf courses, so

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   15:35you want to show us the hockey one so we can

   Sun Coast

   15:37so They we were again we were ex um asking you to accept public comment and then we're asking you to continue this until the full board is assembled. I have um to illustrate this suggestion by the chair, if you look right now, the fee schedules for ice hockey arena make no distinction as to the number of rinks or the size of the facility that would be built within Pasco County. I've shown you the amount that they would pay per thousand square feet of facility in the proposed fee

   16:07schedule. If the board wishes to implement the chair's proposal that we incentivize these larger investments in four or more rings of ICE. Within Pasco County, then we could create a new row in our fee schedule, call it an ice hockey complex, specify that that means you must have four or more rinse, and subsidize the fees so that anyone building that large a facility would pay zero in mobility fees.

   WeightmanVice Chair

   16:35Chair. Commissioner Weightman. What drives me batty with these fee schedules, like why can't we just have a uniform rate like fair tax? Everybody pay The same price, house to house. A use is a use. Instead of having all these different tiers and formulas and zones. I I just think if you're gonna build a house, no matter where you're gonna build it, I be president pre prejudicial of where somebody wants to choose to build their house

   17:05or whether it's in the heart of an urban area or up up in the north. I I just think it needs to be uniform in general. I know we're not going to get there, but I just felt the need to say that on the record. So Anyway, that's all. Right. Ms. Rokley.

   Oakley

   17:26Part of that problem with with making it all the same is uh in an urban area you have so many homes close together, less than acres, and and so they they have more units. So you you put those fees against them, but then you get out in the country you're gonna have five acre tracks here and there. it most of the time and all the argument was that you travel further on that road so you have to pay more in because you're out in the rural away from the urban urban, you've got all that traffic,

   17:56everything paying toward one thing. But that's a lot of different homes, multiple homes, where out in the rural area you got one. So that's the reason it's been different like this before. So if I'm not mistaken, uh mister Goldstein If we lower that for the two and a half acre lots, that has to be made up somewhere else, right? That

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   18:20that

   Oakley

   18:22lesser

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   18:22amount? It it is subsidized by three different sources, which is um the transportation portion of the penny, the um second local option gas tax, and a portion of the tax increment funds. So it is made up from another revenue source. But I think Nick will tell you that the amount of permits that use that particular fee reduction is fairly minimal. So I don't think it's gonna be something that would break the bank.

   Oakley

   18:48So there wouldn't be earth shake in the

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   18:49It's it's not. And my guess is even what he's proposing for the ice hockey and the golf courses is also gonna be fairly minimal. These are not

   Sun Coast

   18:59Not common uses.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   19:00These are not common uses that are gonna break the bank on it. So if it was something on residential or general commercial, it probably would. But these are fairly unique uses that are not going to be a significant impact to our system. These are more policy decisions for the board.

   MarianoChair

   19:19And again, between all the people it's gonna bring in the economic benefit plus all the extra taxes you'll pay by building four weeks one anyway, if we can encourage that I think it's a good thing to encourage

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   19:29it.

   19:33Right. I'm just being honest with you. Yeah.

   Oakley

   19:35You don't see me I don't know if are there any golf well the one down at two rivers I guess that's a golf course. That's in Hillsborough County, not here, so Um you don't have this many new golf courses coming about. So

   MarianoChair

   19:47And so can we shift it to golf course then? So my my we're thinking with the golf courses. We've lost Quail Hollow a few years ago. We lost Tim Broaks. We just lost the Lynx golf course. And there was a time when golf was declining. But golf is booming more than ever now. So now there's more demand for it. Uh it's it's it's hard let's say up in Hudson when you you got one course to pick from, and that's kind of what drove that. And it drives up the price, et cetera. And people have to drive further to go play. Right. So if you're gonna

   20:17put more golf courses up to me, we can use it for the drainage anyway, which is what these things were designed for to do, is like accept your around it, uh the drainage around it. So however they set it up, if you want to break it down we could to be whether it be a residential community, some just builds a golf course, whatever it may be, there's a lot of benefits to it as well that I think, you know, warrant to if not bring it to zero, at least reduce it down dramatically. Mm-hmm.

   Mike Carballa

   20:43Yeah.

   20:46Commissioner Oakley Nick, was there anything magical with four sheets of ice versus I I don't know what rinks look like in other communities and if four is a good number or Something more, something less. I was just curious.

   Sun Coast

   21:01I'm afraid that rigorous analysis was not performed in developing the

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   21:06I don't know if is are Adam or Consuelo here or not.

   21:12So um we probably could bring Adam up. I it really depends on what level ring number of rings you would need to for it to be a tourism draw. 'Cause that was really the intent. Um And Adam, do you have a thoughts on like how many rinks you would need minimum for it to be a tourism draw?

   Pasco County

   21:29Uh yes sir. Currently um Advent Health Center Ice is four and a half NHL Olympic size sheets of ice. It's constantly full, the event calendar is full. So you probably need for an adequate an amount at least three to pull off an an event. Four, obviously, the more sheets of ice, the better. But three, but right now.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   21:49So tha that was really the determining factor, Mike, is w at what level is it a tourism draw? 'Cause that was the intent.

   MarianoChair

   21:56So I'm I'm comfortable with the four number. I think it just makes it that much more significant. And if we're gonna bring it down to zero, let's make 'em a little bit more. Yeah.

   22:08Okay. Alright, so coming with that. What what do we think about the golf?

   Oakley

   22:11Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   22:14I'm fine.

   MarianoChair

   22:15Good. Okay. All right. We're good to make those changes.

   Sun Coast

   22:18Thank you.

   22:19This is

   22:19great.

   MarianoChair

   22:20And any other questions for staff? Let's start.

   Sun Coast

   22:24Uh we were asking or suggested you take public comment today. Yes,

   MarianoChair

   22:27gonna do that now. Okay. So th this is gonna be heard in two more weeks at the Board of County Commissioners next meeting, but is anyone from the public would like to comment to this that's sitting in the audience now? Okay. Anyone signed up online?

   Starkey

   22:41No one is online.

   MarianoChair

   22:42Okay. So we'll continue to next meeting. Thank you very much. Okay.

4. 4May 19, 2026
   Board of County CommissionersP36Public hearingAdopted

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   Approved to adopt by roll call vote with the amended change to zero out the golf course.

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   Oakley

   10:16Item P36 was published in the Tampe Times on March 4, 2026. The item was continued from the May 5, 2026 BCC meeting to today.

   Sun Coast

   10:29Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, members of the Commission. We are here to talk about Land Development Code amendments to update the mobility fee schedules and to make other text amendments to simplify the code and streamline its implic its application. The ordinance is an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land Development Code section 1302.2 mobility fees. to increase the mobility fees for various uses beyond the phase in limitations in

   10:59section one hundred sixty three dot three one eight zero one, paragraph six of Florida statutes, to make other amendments as necessary for internal consistency, Providing for applicability, repealer, providing for severability, inclusion in the land development code, and an effective date.

   11:19As a very brief reminder, mobility fees pay for new transportation facilities. They are part of the four-legged stool that we use to pay for our roadway and transportation infrastructure. We also use gas taxes, penny sales taxes, and tax increment funds. A portion of our property taxes go toward constructing transportation facilities. The proposed fees in the fee schedule will cover approximately 25% of our just south of $7 billion cost of needed transportation facilities to

   11:49support growth anticipated to occur in Pasco County. As a reminder, the proposed fees do exceed the statutory thresholds. But the state allows for that to occur subject to compliance with the four items on the slide in front of you. We need a recent study to justify the extraordinary ext circumstances for this increase. We have that. We need to have conducted two public workshops soliciting input on the proposed fee increases. We have done that. We need to

   12:19implement the fee increases in at least two. equal annual increments. The table does that. And lastly, we need the fees to be adopted by unanimous vote of the Commission as a whole. So all five of you need to be present and supportive of the proposed fee increases in order for this ordinance to be adopted today.

   12:41There are three outstanding questions that have come up in the discussion in the prior presentations. The first question is regarding the minimum lot size for a single family home in the rural areas to be granted a decreased, a reduced fee to be able to pay instead of the rural lot fee, they would pay the suburban lot fee. So first point I want to make is that our existing ordinance has the discount in place for any single family homes on a five acre lot or

   13:12larger Second point is this conversation only pertains to development from within the rural area. The suburban areas already pay the reduced fees, so we're not talking about development within the purple areas. We're just focusing on area C on the map, the rural areas in the mobility fee ordinance.

   13:30The board discussion previously was should we reduce the lot size minimum from five acres to two and a half acres to make additional homes eligible for the reduced mobility fee rate with if they are two and a half acres or more. We didn't get a final decision on this, so I want you to understand the ordinance as proposed retains the five acre minimum. And if there's a desire to change that, then we would need the board to ensure that that is a part of your motion. Adopting this ordinance. Mr.

   14:02Sherman.

   Starkey

   14:05Open discussion when the commissioner wants to discuss a bullet point or do you want to wait till the presentation's

   MarianoChair

   14:10let's go through it because we've we've gone through it before and then we'll we should be able to get right back to it and hit one point by by the other. So let's go through and then we'll

   Sun Coast

   14:20hit them. I only have two more slides. Okay. Yeah. Uh so this is item number one. The second item is a proposal to fully incentivize the construction of new golf courses within Pasco County. Current mobility fee structure says golf courses should pay based on the traffic impacts that they introduce onto our roadway system, the transportation impacts. And there was a discussion at the at the uh prior meeting. regarding fully discounting new golf course construction and incentivizing the

   14:50mobility fees that they would have paid. So we would essentially be zeroing out the fees to be paid by golf courses if the board is supportive of that request. The third item was a conversation of regarding fully incentivizing an ice hockey complex, with the complex being defined as an a project that has four or more ice hockey rinks within the project itself. The concept behind that was that these types of facilities at four or more ice hockey

   15:20rinks are large enough to conduct a regional tournament and they function as an economic attractor and an economic development engine for Pasco County and therefore it may be uh desirable of the board to incentivize these to one hundred percent. The conversation also said. uh standalone ice hockey rink would continue to pay the standard rate according to its tran transportation impacts. So we have three outstanding questions, rural lot size, five acres or two and a half acres, fully incentivized golf courses,

   15:51and fully incentivized this new land use called an ice hockey complex with four or more ranks. And at that, I'm asking the board to accept public comment and then either adopt as presented or adopt as you desire to modify

   MarianoChair

   16:06in

   Sun Coast

   16:06your discussion.

   MarianoChair

   16:07Okay, so we're gonna

   Sun Coast

   16:07we're

   MarianoChair

   16:07gonna have the board discussion before we go to public comment. So if you will, let's go back to the two and a half acre, five acre slide. Sorry please. Thanks, Commissioner Starkey.

   Starkey

   16:16Um as I stated before, I'm probably not in favor of That's not me. What was that? Um probably not in favor of this. Um I don't wanna incentivize development at smaller lots in the rural area. Um and uh as I said before it costs more to deliver services in the rural area, so um And I'm not in favor of this one and as the the uh county attorney said,

   16:46just because you have a Five acre or two and a half acre lot doesn't mean you're getting executive housing on it. And as we all want for big nice houses that I think they can pay the mobility fees. We have a 75% deficit in funding the roads that we need. And while I don't think there's gonna be that many of these, I just don't feel it's fiscally prudent to chip away at even 25%. So I'm I'm not for this one.

   MarianoChair

   17:15Let me just give you a thought. As far as going from the five to two and a half, and I don't think there's a tremendous amount of it either, but if I can get a project coming forward with that Not only are they gonna pay uh s they'll pay the smaller fee up front But if you get more of those two and a half acre lots that are out there The demographics it brings is huge. The taxes they pay are huge, which is also part of the mobility fee.

   17:40Well anyone who's got a big house usually got more money.

   Starkey

   17:44We can have two and a half acres and they slap a trailer on there. So um what about maybe you know a compromise just came to my mind. If we left some wiggle room Because let's say we got an equestrian community that came in and had bigger lots, two and a half acre lots. Like Aristida is one acre and you can have a horse if you have one acre in Aristida. What if we have a development that comes in that is something that we desire that's two and a half acres with you know a certain

   18:14qualifications then we can Plug that in. But I'm not for it and you need five votes. You're not for it. I'm not for it for anything goes and we're sub and the sub suburban people are subsidizing that. So

   MarianoChair

   18:29you bring a good point. Dave,

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   18:31is there a way we can make that work?

   18:35I think you can if it's an M P U D. There's a way to make that work. Yeah, see the answer is yes, if it's an M P D, I think you can make that work. So how can we incorporate it into the language to But I d I I don't think he would change it in the ordinance, you would be doing that through the MPUD conditions.

   18:53So do we need to cheat? You would be leaving the ordinance at five acres. Yeah. Just as it currently stands. You would be addressing any special discounts for that MPUD in through the MPUD conditions. Yes. Okay. So I don't need to add anything in this mobility field ordinance at all. We can just do that. You would you would be addressing the discounts for that particular M PUD through its MPUD conditions. But there's a way to do it. We've done it before. Okay.

   Starkey

   19:21Okay, next. All right, next bullet. Unless we're I mean

   MarianoChair

   19:24it's gotta be unanimous so there's not a a long debate. And we've got the out that we've got my

   19:28own.

   19:29We've got the out and and and again if I don't think anyone would do with the trailer, but that takes care of the argument and we have the flexibility, it's stated here that we do have the flexibility, we can move from there, I think. Okay.

   19:41Next slide.

   Starkey

   19:42Not that there's anything wrong with the trailer. I just don't want to I just don't want to subsidize it and put more burden on the other people for traffic. Okay. Um I'm trying very hard to get my husband to do one of those container homes that I would like to help build, but he has no interest. Um okay, hockey rink. There's been great discussion about a four rink hockey rink coming into the Trinity area and it and it's talked about going at Mitchell and Little.

   20:13And if I don't have impact if I don't have mobility fees, I cannot build Mitsubart. And if I can't build Mid to Boulevard, then the traffic's gonna fail for a hockey ring. So I'm not okay with that one again. Um I think there's other ways to get help for a hockey rink, but to to not help build the road network when it's gonna cause a lot of traffic. is a problem. So That I guess that depends on the location.

   MarianoChair

   20:46Is that another one we can be flexible too when it comes forward? I know we did it before Wesley Chapel with the hockey rink. It was verse it could make a million dollars worth of fees. We brought those fees down. I was just trying to simplify it so

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   20:56Well if it's part of an economic development project the the county can always find ways to buy down the fees for a particular project and you've done that before. And we did it at at that nice. Yes. So i if it's a if it's a particular project that you feel is an economic development project, you can't there's ways to do that. Okay.

   MarianoChair

   21:15Right, I mean I'd rather do it up front, but it's gotta be a new problem.

   Starkey

   21:19It could be a problem. I mean it could not even be able to get off the ground because it doesn't have the the roads fail already.

   MarianoChair

   21:25And you'd be okay if it was even a full subsidy. If it was in the right location.

   Starkey

   21:29Say that again?

   MarianoChair

   21:30You'd be okay if it was even a full subsidy if it was in the right location.

   Starkey

   21:34Um I I think it just has it it has to be negotiated. I would not do it like this. If it's a Yeah.

   21:44There's no traffic issue. I don't know, three oh one and Is that for Hills or I don't know your area well. Somewhere else? But if it's in Trinity and I and it's gonna affect my traffic on Little and Fifty Four and I 'cause we were planning on using that money to help build Mentor Boulevard and so If we can't have that road, we can't have any development down there. So I I think it would hurt us. Uh

   MarianoChair

   22:08if we've got the flexibility we can move on. Yeah. Next.

   Starkey

   22:12I think that's it.

   MarianoChair

   22:13The last one was the golf course question.

   Starkey

   22:15Oh I I I don't I uh is this public or private or does it matter?

   MarianoChair

   22:19Uh to me right now you've got golf courses that have closed down pre COVID and there's such demand for golf course right now, prices are going through the roof. We've shut down a few of them over the years from stormwater, et cetera. I think any time you're building a golf course and it could be a public golf course, could be a private, you're gonna cut down trips, it's gonna save and it's gonna help

   Starkey

   22:37the overall cost. I'm okay with the golf course.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   22:41No, that's good. Would that be associated with residential or independent or doesn't it matter? It doesn't matter. I'll just leave

   MarianoChair

   22:49it open. Okay. All right. So those are the three key points. We're okay with that? All right. Time for public comment. Anyone here from the public like to speak to this item?

   23:00Okay. Anyone online?

   Oakley

   23:01No one's online.

   MarianoChair

   23:02Okay. All right to the board.

   Starkey

   23:04Move approval. With the uh amended changes.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   23:08Okay. So to be clear, the only change that Nick has to make is zeroing out golf course, correct? Yeah. That's what I heard.

   MarianoChair

   23:15Okay. So I have a motion, got a second. Roll call vote.

   Oakley

   23:19District One, Commissioner Oakley. Aye. District two, Commissioner Weightman. Aye. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Yeager. Aye. District five, Chairman Mariano.

   MarianoChair

   23:29Aye. Motion passes five all the time. Thank you very much. All right, now we'll start with our public hearing. Mr. County Attorney read the rules of consent agenda?

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   23:42Be happy to