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1. 1Feb 20, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP56Public hearingApproved

   An Ordinance Amending The Pasco County Comprehensive Plan; Plan Amendment (Consent) – CPA23(12) Peril of Flood Amendment - Providing For for the Transmittal of the Proposed Text Amendments To to Chapter 2, Future Land Use Element; Repealing of Future Land Use Element Map Series Map 2-2: 2-2 Coastal High Hazard Areas And and Evacuation Routes And Zones and Replacing With with Map 2-2 Coastal High Hazard Areas And Area and Adaptation Action Areas; Area; Text Amendments To to Chapter 4, Coastal Management … Coastal Management Element Map 4-1: 4-1 Coastal Area / Coastal High Hazard Area; And Providing For Additional Text Amendments As Necessary For Internal Consistency; Providing For A Repealer, Severability, And An Effective Date. Area

   Approved minutes

   Approved Staff’s recommendation by a roll call vote.

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   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:07:11Uh move on. That gets you to fifty six, which was the last item that was pulled off of consent.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:07:18Oh

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:07:18yeah, okay.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:07:20P fifty six.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:07:21So P fifty six was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times January third, twenty twenty four.

   Jack Mariano

   1:07:28So but Barbara, please don't leave? Um Mr. Chairman Mariano and Terry M Gledger here to speak to it. But I was talking with my um appointee John Moody about this because I wanted them to take a look at it and I think Barbara looked at it as well. Um John recommends striking the language with the requirements of the MPUDs. And I I I I tend to favor his recommendation. I'm trying to pull it in the computer, I can't seem to get it, but you want to can you wanna talk it

   1:07:58through or are you comfortable with that?

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:08:01Uh yes, Nictoria Spito's planning and economic growth. Uh there's a

   1:08:10Policy provision is a policy number. Oh okay. Um th there's two policies in the comprehensive plan, policy flu one dot three.

   1:08:22Uh 2.2.3. They're essentially identical policies just existing in two different parts of the comprehensive plan. Um the policies are rather ambiguous in terms of how development that's in the coastal high hazard area or along the coast of the Pasco colony Ought to be approved. Either you can read the policy and it can be a requirement to be rezoned to MPUD, or you can read the policy to uh not have to be rezoned to an MPUD to allow enable

   1:08:52redevelopment to take place using a Euclidean zoning district, for example. And uh essentially use the requirements that are outlined in the land development code for MPUDs at the time of the site plan review. Um there was a interpretation that was made back in twenty eighteen ish Um where uh the Planning and Development Department at the time determined that it's not necessary to have to rezone the entire coast to MPUD and then and thus make it a little bit more

   1:09:22difficult to redevelop on along the coastline. Yeah, you can use the Euclidean zoning districts and just take those conditions or those requirements rather from the land development code that are related to MPUDs and put them as conditions on the site plans uh since we conditioned site plans at any rate. Um and so uh as I said the as the policy w was ambiguous we made this interpretation at the presentation of the parallel flood amendments uh at the local planning agency

   1:09:53Uh comment was made. Well if this is an interpretation that's been working for all these years um maybe we should include it into the comprehensive plan and not have it actually be simply an interpretation, but actually let the comprehensive plan speak to that. Uh and that's what we've attempted to add into this amendment for the parallel flood so that as someone reads the comprehensive plan, they are clear that they're not it's not necessary. You still can do an MPUD if you want to, but it's unnecessary to do an MPUD in order to redevelop

   1:10:24on the coast. Um that's that's the idea that that's been discussed of late.

   Jack Mariano

   1:10:30So if I is there any harm continuing this?

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:10:35Well,

   1:10:37Yeah, we can speak to that command.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:10:39The the project is grant funded. So we just have to do that. Oh sorry, Lauren Fling Planning Development. Um is grant funded by a f FDEP uh grant that we got. So there is a couple timelines that we need to keep in mind of. I think continuing it might uh exceed those timelines that we have currently.

   Jack Mariano

   1:10:57I'm just talking a two-week continuance.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:11:00Um I don't know the the deadlines off top of my head. I believe that they were in April though, then I think we're already going for three twenty six for the adoption since it's large scale.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:11:12What's the text

   1:11:13of

   1:11:13that? But we we have two hearings.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:11:17This is a transmittal hearing to the state, right?

   Jack Mariano

   1:11:19Okay, so we have

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:11:19time.

   Jack Mariano

   1:11:20So if it comes back, you'll understand why, but I'm gonna review this with you guys. Absolutely. Uh I'll bring probably Barbara and John in the same meeting and and talk it through. I want to make sure we get it right. Okay. I'll move approval. If public comment. We have someone signed up. Well someone signed up?

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:11:36Give their form. Okay. State your name and address.

   Angel Torres

   1:11:41Good mor good afternoon to the board. My name is Angel Torres and my address is [address removed].

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:11:48Mr Torres, were you were you sworn in?

   Angel Torres

   1:11:50Uh yes ma'am.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:11:51Okay, thank you.

   Angel Torres

   1:11:54So uh item fifty six on the agenda, the parallel flood act. Um I wanted to speak on this item because It is great to see our board members putting an effort, you know, to protect our people, especially or our community actually, and ensuring that our flood zones are well prepared for the future. Especially with the rising sea levels. You know, I'm a disabled veteran. Um my home was almost in the red zone. So I was kinda scared, you know, last year the last hurricane and uh my wife

   1:12:24and I decided, well, it's a we could run away and hopefully, uh, you know, I won't get too injured. I did have a couple of surgeries, um so I've been dealing with a lot of pain and stuff when traveling, so we decided actually let's stay because there's kids on our street, there's you know, seniors on our street. We have to protect them at the end of the day. That mattered more to us than anything else than even my own pain. So Hopefully with the new uh amendments in place, you know, with the more protection for the flood zones, there's We won't be too much in the red zone. We won't have to worry as much.

   1:12:57I really am thankful for uh Because you guys are doing this for us, hopefully. Um also I wanted to speak in regards to the scoring system, which is called the C R S. We w recently went down um I don't know how much, but it's a good thing the lowers the lower the score on the C R S, the better results in big discounts for residents on flood insurances. So that's a big plus for uh Pasco County and Um I also want to speak to about uh the Resilient Pasco project, which is a great project that Pasco County is undertaking. Uh Pasco County

   1:13:27received a grant for $754,870 uh for community development block grant mitigation funds. And then the resilient Pasco project consists of countywide vulnerability assessment. Resilience and sustain sustainability action plan, living shorelines plan, and I wanted to thank you guys for the sustainability office, which is But we could

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:13:52have

   Angel Torres

   1:13:53a which is led by Mark the Doctor Mark Bellas. The development of this office is actually a amazing step because you know you got planning strategy and sustainability for the future at Pasco. So I thank you for all you do for all of us as a student, as a veteran, disabled veteran, and a community member just like you guys. I really want to thank you for everything you guys do for us. So thank you.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:14:14Yeah. Thank you for your report. That's great.

   Angel Torres

   1:14:16Thank you.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:14:17Yes sir. Thank you for your service too. Thank

   Angel Torres

   1:14:19you, sir.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:14:23Okay. Anyone else speak this item?

   1:14:28Seeing no one, pleasure board. No approval. Uh motion.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:14:33A second, but under discussion I did have one question.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:14:36Okay.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:14:37What is a coastal there's a term here that I haven't seen and you know I'm going through house plans. I'm one year into get working on my foundation plan. Um Coastal construction control line. I learned about the Limois line. But I never heard of a coastal construction control bike. Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:15:02Good afternoon. Kathryn Hartley. I'm a project manager with the firm uh Benish. Um our address for the record is one thousand North Ashley, uh Tampa, Florida, suite four hundred Tampa, Florida, three three six oh two. Uh you actually don't have a coastal construction contractor. Were you

   1:15:17sworn in? Yes. Thank you. Yeah, it's

   1:15:20they don't have to be. You don't have a coastal construction control line. That is in the statute for the counties that do have ones. Um pass uh excuse me, Penellis does the ones that have barrier islands have a coastal construction control line. And it basically prevents you from going building beyond that line unless it's a boardwalker, something like that, more passive. So you can't build your house past that line. But Pasco doesn't actually have one.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:15:46So let me ask you a question, because maybe your knowledge are about this. As I'm dealing with my new house out in Gulf Harbors, and I have a limwall line, which is the Something to do with waves.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:15:59Yes, it's a w uh wave action. That's

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:16:01so

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:16:01it's a little inland from your velocity zone.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:16:04Yes. So if we have a coastal barrier island, why are we dealing with limwa lines?

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:16:11Because that is in your flood insurance rate map. Uh for clarification, I'm the county's I'm your consultant for this project. Sorry about that. But um that's in all of the flood insurance rate maps. So you've got the velocity zone, the V zone, um, and then the Limois line is a a recent addition to that. So it gets a little it's gets the limited wave action, not like the velocity zone does. But It will s it's still subject to that. Do they

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:16:39take into account barrier islands uh in front of a house or I mean, because I'm just trying to figure out how how you get built how you build back waves. When you have a barrier island.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:16:51I'm sorry, could you repeat the

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:16:52question? So we have a barrier island called Anclo Key.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:16:55Mm-hmm.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:16:56And then and so

   1:17:00When they do these Limwall lines, are they kinda arbitrary or do they look to see what the coastal conditions are if there are barrier islands in front of it?

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:17:10I don't know the answer to that question.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:17:12I say this because I've been to the FEMA headquarters in D C or Virginia actually when um they were doing the bigger waters and Uh we tried to get the formula that the actuaries were using to do their rates and they they wouldn't share it. And so They sometimes the thing the things that they come up with Uh you just don't know. If they really looked at the topography of an area.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:17:40Well topography certainly because the all the new flood insurance rate maps, or at least the ones in Florida, the most recent ones that maybe across one work were using LIDAR. Right.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:17:50So but are they taking to account barrier islands in front of people's property? That I don't know. For the Limois line. 'Cause I had heard that when they first did years ago the um lines that a lot of them were just arbitrary. There wasn't any s real science behind 'em, but they had big effect on people. And so and this Limo thing is having an effect on on me. And I I just want to know what you know, how far away from a barrier island do you have to live to start worrying about twelve foot

   1:18:20waves, you know, getting built back up and when the water's two feet deep. for for half of that distance or three feet deep, how you gonna get a six foot, twelve foot wave Or is it thirteen foot away?

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:18:36So limited wave action.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:18:38So just a little bit. Well it's I don't I'm just not trusting of the science behind it. I just think they didn't look at the barrier islands.

   Jack Mariano

   1:18:47Ms. Chairman M Yeah, and I think we should have a bit bigger discussion on this as well and I can actually bring it up with Terry and and company too. But it you you make sense. With an with the barrier island, which the Army Corps loves to see those, and they would even like to see us create them as Alan Rose mentioned to us several several times. if the waves coming from the Gulf and we've got like three feet of water Because with such a high high shallow.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:19:10Yeah.

   Jack Mariano

   1:19:14But to get a twelve foot wave or whatever it may be coming over that island.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:19:19It has to be a tw uh seven point nine uh earthquake generating tsunami between enclo-key and me.

   Jack Mariano

   1:19:28Right. So I I think your point's very very very good and that's again why I didn't want to just pass this thing right away anyway, but now that we have a little time to look at it, I think it's a good thing to look at.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:19:37Yeah. I don't know if that's in here.

   1:19:40I wasn't briefed on this that I recall, so

   Jack Mariano

   1:19:45And you and I have all the coast.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:19:47Yeah.

   Jack Mariano

   1:19:47Yeah. I mean I d I don't know why they're going to be able to do that.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:19:49I asked an engineer how I how I could have uh how I could be s I have to go get a scouring report now. The only person that does it is in Alabama or Arkansas or somewhere. And I'd like Where are these waves coming from?

   Jack Mariano

   1:20:05Rem remember Boatyard over in Hudson we had we re platted it, rezoned it to to make it all work? and they had studied it and that they were gonna keep a guy from putting up a like a five foot seawall. Uh even though his neighbor around the corner had one that high. And they blamed it on the same type of thing. And it took an engineer to actually study it, look at it, and say, There's nothing here. Well I've had two

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:20:26engineers tell me there's no way there's gonna w be a wave there. So

   Jack Mariano

   1:20:30Okay. So Mr. Carbella or Terry, I I think it's good that we get briefed on this. Thanks.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:20:41Okay. That was under that was my second and my discussion. Okay. So

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:20:46I have a Have a motion and a second, then

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:20:51Roll call vote.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:20:52Roll call vote.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:20:53District two, Commissioner Weightman.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:20:57I know I don't know what to say.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:20:59District three, Commissioner Starkey.

   1:21:03District four, Commissioner Bradford. Aye. District five, Commissioner Mariano.

   Jack Mariano

   1:21:09Aye, because I know we have another shot at this.

   Kathryn Starkey

   1:21:13And District One, Chairman Oakley. I need to see the science.

   Ron OakleyChair

   1:21:16Motion passed 5-0. Thank

2. 2Jun 18, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP42Public hearingAdopted

   Approved minutes

   Approved to adopt by a roll call vote.

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   Ron OakleyChair

   10:28Um P forty two.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   10:31P forty two was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times January third and June fifth, twenty twenty four.

   Ron OakleyChair

   10:38Item P forty two is PEG twenty-four zero one one five This is an ordinance amending the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan providing for text amendments to Chapter 2, future land use element. repealing future land use element map series two-two coastal high hazard areas and evacuation routes and replacing with map two-two coastal high hazard areas and adaptation action areas. Text amendments to Chapter 4 Coastal Management Element, repealing coastal management element, Map 4-1. coastal area, coastal high hazard area, and providing

   11:09for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency, providing for repeal or severability and an effective date. This comes to you with a recommendation uh for approval and a request to adopt the ordinance by roll call vote. There is a presentation if so desired. You might wish for a presentation.

   Ron OakleyChair

   11:26See another one? It says a public hearing. There's no one signed up, but is there anybody on Web Webex?

   Jack Mariano

   11:32Hello?

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   11:33Yes sir.

   Ron OakleyChair

   11:33And they're way on Webacks. Does anyone in the audience wish to speak to this item? Do you know one? Uh

   11:42No no no you can't speak from there.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   11:45Come up here.

   Jack Mariano

   11:47This is item forty two.

   Ron OakleyChair

   11:50Item forty two.

   11:54Did you want to speak?

   Jack Mariano

   12:05The MSTU is item forty-five.

   Ron OakleyChair

   12:15Okay. All right. Uh since no one wants to speak. Plosure of the board. Move approval. Second. Motion is second. All those in favor, uh roll call vote. Yes.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   12:26District two, Commissioner Weightman. District three, Commissioner Starkey. District four, Commissioner Yeager. Aye. District five, Commissioner Mariano. District One Chairman Oakley.

   Ron OakleyChair

   12:35I motion pass four zero, move to forty-three. Penny for Pasco.