Comprehensive Plan Amendment (Consent) – CPA23(12) Peril of Flood Amendment - Providing for the Transmittal of the Proposed Text Amendments to Chapter 2, Future Land Use Element; Repealing of Future Land Use Map Series Map 2-2 Coastal High Hazard and Evacuation Zones and Replacing with Map 2-2 Coastal High Hazard Area and Adaptation Action Area; Text Amendments to Chapter 4, Coastal Management Element; Repealing Coastal Management Element Map 4-1 Coastal Area / Coastal High Hazard Area

1:07:11Uh move on. That gets you to fifty six, which was the last item that was pulled off of consent.

1:07:18Oh

1:07:18yeah, okay.

1:07:20P fifty six.

1:07:21So P fifty six was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times January third, twenty twenty four.

1:07:28So but Barbara, please don't leave? Um Mr. Chairman Mariano and Terry M Gledger here to speak to it. But I was talking with my um appointee John Moody about this because I wanted them to take a look at it and I think Barbara looked at it as well. Um John recommends striking the language with the requirements of the MPUDs. And I I I I tend to favor his recommendation. I'm trying to pull it in the computer, I can't seem to get it, but you want to can you wanna talk it

1:07:58through or are you comfortable with that?

1:08:01Uh yes, Nictoria Spito's planning and economic growth. Uh there's a

1:08:10Policy provision is a policy number. Oh okay. Um th there's two policies in the comprehensive plan, policy flu one dot three.

1:08:22Uh 2.2.3. They're essentially identical policies just existing in two different parts of the comprehensive plan. Um the policies are rather ambiguous in terms of how development that's in the coastal high hazard area or along the coast of the Pasco colony Ought to be approved. Either you can read the policy and it can be a requirement to be rezoned to MPUD, or you can read the policy to uh not have to be rezoned to an MPUD to allow enable

1:08:52redevelopment to take place using a Euclidean zoning district, for example. And uh essentially use the requirements that are outlined in the land development code for MPUDs at the time of the site plan review. Um there was a interpretation that was made back in twenty eighteen ish Um where uh the Planning and Development Department at the time determined that it's not necessary to have to rezone the entire coast to MPUD and then and thus make it a little bit more

1:09:22difficult to redevelop on along the coastline. Yeah, you can use the Euclidean zoning districts and just take those conditions or those requirements rather from the land development code that are related to MPUDs and put them as conditions on the site plans uh since we conditioned site plans at any rate. Um and so uh as I said the as the policy w was ambiguous we made this interpretation at the presentation of the parallel flood amendments uh at the local planning agency

1:09:53Uh comment was made. Well if this is an interpretation that's been working for all these years um maybe we should include it into the comprehensive plan and not have it actually be simply an interpretation, but actually let the comprehensive plan speak to that. Uh and that's what we've attempted to add into this amendment for the parallel flood so that as someone reads the comprehensive plan, they are clear that they're not it's not necessary. You still can do an MPUD if you want to, but it's unnecessary to do an MPUD in order to redevelop

1:10:24on the coast. Um that's that's the idea that that's been discussed of late.

1:10:30So if I is there any harm continuing this?

1:10:35Well,

1:10:37Yeah, we can speak to that command.

1:10:39The the project is grant funded. So we just have to do that. Oh sorry, Lauren Fling Planning Development. Um is grant funded by a f FDEP uh grant that we got. So there is a couple timelines that we need to keep in mind of. I think continuing it might uh exceed those timelines that we have currently.

1:10:57I'm just talking a two-week continuance.

1:11:00Um I don't know the the deadlines off top of my head. I believe that they were in April though, then I think we're already going for three twenty six for the adoption since it's large scale.

1:11:12What's the text

1:11:13of

1:11:13that? But we we have two hearings.

1:11:17This is a transmittal hearing to the state, right?

1:11:19Okay, so we have

1:11:19time.

1:11:20So if it comes back, you'll understand why, but I'm gonna review this with you guys. Absolutely. Uh I'll bring probably Barbara and John in the same meeting and and talk it through. I want to make sure we get it right. Okay. I'll move approval. If public comment. We have someone signed up. Well someone signed up?

1:11:36Give their form. Okay. State your name and address.

1:11:41Good mor good afternoon to the board. My name is Angel Torres and my address is [address removed].

1:11:48Mr Torres, were you were you sworn in?

1:11:50Uh yes ma'am.

1:11:51Okay, thank you.

1:11:54So uh item fifty six on the agenda, the parallel flood act. Um I wanted to speak on this item because It is great to see our board members putting an effort, you know, to protect our people, especially or our community actually, and ensuring that our flood zones are well prepared for the future. Especially with the rising sea levels. You know, I'm a disabled veteran. Um my home was almost in the red zone. So I was kinda scared, you know, last year the last hurricane and uh my wife

1:12:24and I decided, well, it's a we could run away and hopefully, uh, you know, I won't get too injured. I did have a couple of surgeries, um so I've been dealing with a lot of pain and stuff when traveling, so we decided actually let's stay because there's kids on our street, there's you know, seniors on our street. We have to protect them at the end of the day. That mattered more to us than anything else than even my own pain. So Hopefully with the new uh amendments in place, you know, with the more protection for the flood zones, there's We won't be too much in the red zone. We won't have to worry as much.

1:12:57I really am thankful for uh Because you guys are doing this for us, hopefully. Um also I wanted to speak in regards to the scoring system, which is called the C R S. We w recently went down um I don't know how much, but it's a good thing the lowers the lower the score on the C R S, the better results in big discounts for residents on flood insurances. So that's a big plus for uh Pasco County and Um I also want to speak to about uh the Resilient Pasco project, which is a great project that Pasco County is undertaking. Uh Pasco County

1:13:27received a grant for $754,870 uh for community development block grant mitigation funds. And then the resilient Pasco project consists of countywide vulnerability assessment. Resilience and sustain sustainability action plan, living shorelines plan, and I wanted to thank you guys for the sustainability office, which is But we could

1:13:52have

1:13:53a which is led by Mark the Doctor Mark Bellas. The development of this office is actually a amazing step because you know you got planning strategy and sustainability for the future at Pasco. So I thank you for all you do for all of us as a student, as a veteran, disabled veteran, and a community member just like you guys. I really want to thank you for everything you guys do for us. So thank you.

1:14:14Yeah. Thank you for your report. That's great.

1:14:16Thank you.

1:14:17Yes sir. Thank you for your service too. Thank

1:14:19you, sir.

1:14:23Okay. Anyone else speak this item?

1:14:28Seeing no one, pleasure board. No approval. Uh motion.

1:14:33A second, but under discussion I did have one question.

1:14:36Okay.

1:14:37What is a coastal there's a term here that I haven't seen and you know I'm going through house plans. I'm one year into get working on my foundation plan. Um Coastal construction control line. I learned about the Limois line. But I never heard of a coastal construction control bike. Okay.

1:15:02Good afternoon. Kathryn Hartley. I'm a project manager with the firm uh Benish. Um our address for the record is one thousand North Ashley, uh Tampa, Florida, suite four hundred Tampa, Florida, three three six oh two. Uh you actually don't have a coastal construction contractor. Were you

1:15:17sworn in? Yes. Thank you. Yeah, it's

1:15:20they don't have to be. You don't have a coastal construction control line. That is in the statute for the counties that do have ones. Um pass uh excuse me, Penellis does the ones that have barrier islands have a coastal construction control line. And it basically prevents you from going building beyond that line unless it's a boardwalker, something like that, more passive. So you can't build your house past that line. But Pasco doesn't actually have one.

1:15:46So let me ask you a question, because maybe your knowledge are about this. As I'm dealing with my new house out in Gulf Harbors, and I have a limwall line, which is the Something to do with waves.

1:15:59Yes, it's a w uh wave action. That's

1:16:01so

1:16:01it's a little inland from your velocity zone.

1:16:04Yes. So if we have a coastal barrier island, why are we dealing with limwa lines?

1:16:11Because that is in your flood insurance rate map. Uh for clarification, I'm the county's I'm your consultant for this project. Sorry about that. But um that's in all of the flood insurance rate maps. So you've got the velocity zone, the V zone, um, and then the Limois line is a a recent addition to that. So it gets a little it's gets the limited wave action, not like the velocity zone does. But It will s it's still subject to that. Do they

1:16:39take into account barrier islands uh in front of a house or I mean, because I'm just trying to figure out how how you get built how you build back waves. When you have a barrier island.

1:16:51I'm sorry, could you repeat the

1:16:52question? So we have a barrier island called Anclo Key.

1:16:55Mm-hmm.

1:16:56And then and so

1:17:00When they do these Limwall lines, are they kinda arbitrary or do they look to see what the coastal conditions are if there are barrier islands in front of it?

1:17:10I don't know the answer to that question.

1:17:12I say this because I've been to the FEMA headquarters in D C or Virginia actually when um they were doing the bigger waters and Uh we tried to get the formula that the actuaries were using to do their rates and they they wouldn't share it. And so They sometimes the thing the things that they come up with Uh you just don't know. If they really looked at the topography of an area.

1:17:40Well topography certainly because the all the new flood insurance rate maps, or at least the ones in Florida, the most recent ones that maybe across one work were using LIDAR. Right.

1:17:50So but are they taking to account barrier islands in front of people's property? That I don't know. For the Limois line. 'Cause I had heard that when they first did years ago the um lines that a lot of them were just arbitrary. There wasn't any s real science behind 'em, but they had big effect on people. And so and this Limo thing is having an effect on on me. And I I just want to know what you know, how far away from a barrier island do you have to live to start worrying about twelve foot

1:18:20waves, you know, getting built back up and when the water's two feet deep. for for half of that distance or three feet deep, how you gonna get a six foot, twelve foot wave Or is it thirteen foot away?

1:18:36So limited wave action.

1:18:38So just a little bit. Well it's I don't I'm just not trusting of the science behind it. I just think they didn't look at the barrier islands.

1:18:47Ms. Chairman M Yeah, and I think we should have a bit bigger discussion on this as well and I can actually bring it up with Terry and and company too. But it you you make sense. With an with the barrier island, which the Army Corps loves to see those, and they would even like to see us create them as Alan Rose mentioned to us several several times. if the waves coming from the Gulf and we've got like three feet of water Because with such a high high shallow.

1:19:10Yeah.

1:19:14But to get a twelve foot wave or whatever it may be coming over that island.

1:19:19It has to be a tw uh seven point nine uh earthquake generating tsunami between enclo-key and me.

1:19:28Right. So I I think your point's very very very good and that's again why I didn't want to just pass this thing right away anyway, but now that we have a little time to look at it, I think it's a good thing to look at.

1:19:37Yeah. I don't know if that's in here.

1:19:40I wasn't briefed on this that I recall, so

1:19:45And you and I have all the coast.

1:19:47Yeah.

1:19:47Yeah. I mean I d I don't know why they're going to be able to do that.

1:19:49I asked an engineer how I how I could have uh how I could be s I have to go get a scouring report now. The only person that does it is in Alabama or Arkansas or somewhere. And I'd like Where are these waves coming from?

1:20:05Rem remember Boatyard over in Hudson we had we re platted it, rezoned it to to make it all work? and they had studied it and that they were gonna keep a guy from putting up a like a five foot seawall. Uh even though his neighbor around the corner had one that high. And they blamed it on the same type of thing. And it took an engineer to actually study it, look at it, and say, There's nothing here. Well I've had two

1:20:26engineers tell me there's no way there's gonna w be a wave there. So

1:20:30Okay. So Mr. Carbella or Terry, I I think it's good that we get briefed on this. Thanks.

1:20:41Okay. That was under that was my second and my discussion. Okay. So

1:20:46I have a Have a motion and a second, then

1:20:51Roll call vote.

1:20:52Roll call vote.

1:20:53District two, Commissioner Weightman.

1:20:57I know I don't know what to say.

1:20:59District three, Commissioner Starkey.

1:21:03District four, Commissioner Bradford. Aye. District five, Commissioner Mariano.

1:21:09Aye, because I know we have another shot at this.

1:21:13And District One, Chairman Oakley. I need to see the science.

1:21:16Motion passed 5-0. Thank