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1. 1Mar 23, 2021
   Board of County CommissionersP56Public hearingContinued

   Approved minutes

   Approved to continue the item to the April 20, 2021 BCC Meeting in New Port Richey at 1:30 p.m. by a roll call vote.

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   Ron OakleyChair

   2:51:56Fifty six. P fifty six.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   2:51:58Item P fifty six was published in the Tampe Times on March third, twenty twenty one.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:52:08This is item number PWF 21-0022 Crane's roofs, PVS number 3346. This is one of the 2015-16 storm damage road projects. It was temporarily repaired in 2017 and the temporal repair was um chip sealing. This is a board-initiated uh PVAS project. Uh there are six roads included in this PVAS project. Twelve of them were not actually chip sealed,

   2:52:38but I'll explain in a minute um why they were included in the project. Uh there are 82 lots and um 81 ERUs. Yeah. Um in terms of the estimated cost of the project it's six hundred and uh thirty-seven thousand dollars approximately, maximum cost for ERU is seven thousand eight hundred dollars and sixty eight on seven thousand eight hundred and sixty-one dollars. Um The discount of the amount is $139,000 approximately, and the maximum cost for EIU after the discount

   2:53:08is $6,114.16. The repayment is over a 10-year period, and the interest rate is 3.25% interest. One of the things I'd like to note is that

   2:53:23Planters Lane and Trasher Court. It's the extreme uh uh section that goes uh south and forms like an L. Those were not chip sealed, but um in looking at the condition of the road, and I'll show a picture in a minute. Um looking at the condition of the road, the Azure Road, the the um The patch, the linear patch, the potable patch, it was recommended that this be included in the project. If we did not include these two roads in the project because

   2:53:54of the PVAS methodology and policy guidelines, they would be included in the assessment at 25%, but they would not have those roads paid. So we um were proposing that these two would be included, although the directive is um you know one of the roads that were chip seal

   2:54:15Um this is um Planters Lane. So you see the conditioner of road and ice. There it is again also on Trasher Court and Planters Lane and the asphalt, the pavement is um less than a half an inch. Um Any comments, questions?

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   2:54:34Um well I assume where's is there any public comment for this?

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:54:38Well we got weight so 'cause

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   2:54:40I'll make mine after.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:54:43Do we have any

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   2:54:45I think we do.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:54:45Anyone on the

   Jack Mariano

   2:54:48Mr. Chairman?

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:54:49Yes.

   Jack Mariano

   2:54:50Jack Mariano. Um just to before we get into the public comment, because I did hear from a lot of the public. Um with the eighty one units ERUs that are here. Um I think everybody got a copy. There was sixty eight signatures, individuals, eleven uh husband and wife, seventy-nine total signals, saying they have the project. I I've never seen a project like this uh was such a determination for the people not to have it done. I s I strongly recommend before we get into all the public comment, uh

   2:55:21Commissioner Fitzpatrick, it might be good for you, because Ainsy, I think you just gave new information which I didn't hear before. That you might want to just continue this, have a public meeting. And listen to what the people have to say. Otherwise we're gonna listen to the light on the right-of-way. feedback like seventy nine out of eighty one say they don't want it the way it was

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   2:55:43I was gonna say, Commissioner Mariano, I've actually been out there, I've driven the roads, I've met with um citizens, and I've also spoken to staff already. I was gonna ask for a continuance with this one as well until April 20th, because they have mentioned two other roads that may need to be included into the PVAS, and then if we were possibly looking at alternatives, if two of the roads that were not changed.

   Mike Moore

   2:56:12I'll second. That was a con motion, right? I guess I'm not going to be able

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   2:56:16to

   Mike Moore

   2:56:16read

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:56:17a win.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   2:56:17April twentieth. Mm. Okay.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:56:21My roll call book. We don't have to take any other comment to continue, right?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:56:27These are not quasi judicial items, so I'm not so as concerned with Okay.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   2:56:34District two, Commissioner Oakley. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Fitzpatrick. Aye. District five, Commissioner Mariano.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:56:43Okay.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   2:56:43District One, Chairman Oakley.

   Ron OakleyChair

   2:56:46Motion pass five zero for continuance. Okay, move on to P fifty seven.

2. 2Apr 20, 2021
   Board of County CommissionersP60Public hearingApproved

   Approved minutes

   Approved to deny Staff’s recommendation by a roll call vote with Commissioner Starkey voting nay.

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   Ron OakleyChair

   4:29:47Alright, we'll move into B60.

   Mike Moore

   4:29:53I know. Mr. Chairman Mariano trees in the bike.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   4:29:59Lemon trees? Is

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   4:30:00that what I'm saying?

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:30:00It gets a little cold there. I don't think they're lemon.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   4:30:05Item P sixty was published in the Tampa Bay Times on march tenth, twenty twenty one.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   4:30:09Good afternoon, Commissioner. It's a call at Public Works. And this is the Crane Ruth PVASP project number 3346. Before I go into the presentation, I just want to read into the records that We did an item revision and um the following is verbatim what was uh revised. Whereas at the March 23rd, 2001 meeting, the public hearing was opened and continued to April 20, 2021. Um on to the presentation. Next

   4:30:40slide please. Um this item was continued from the March twenty-third, twenty twenty-one public hearing. Uh this gave the um Commissioner Fitzpatrick an opportunity to meet with um residence. That meeting was held on April 5th, 2021. Next slide please. Just by way of background, in 2015-16, there were storm damaged roads which were temporarily repaired in 2017. Uh this is a board initiated

   4:31:10project. We're here to get um board approval or direction to move forward as a board initiated project. There are six uh streets in this project, eighty-two lots, um eighty-one um ERUs. Next please. The total estimated cost is uh $637,000 approximately. Maximum cost per ERU $7,861 and 54 cents. Uh the discounted amount is $138,695.78.

   4:31:42Maximum cost per ERU after the discount is $6,146.16. The annual Repayment period is over 10 year uh time frame and the interest rate is at uh 3.25% interest. Next, please. Um one of the things to point out is that Trasher and um Uh Treasurer's Court and Planter's Lane, that L uh two roads that form L in the lower left-hand corner, they were not chip sealed. But because of the ordinance

   4:32:12methodology and policy guidelines, if those roads are not um repaved, they're still being assessed uh 25%. So they were included in the this project that is being brought before the board. Next please. We were able to locate one of the historic slides, and this is back in 2015, and it's Crane's Ruse. Um that was what the condition of the road looked like back

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   4:32:39Can you zoom into that by any chance? Oh halfway through it looks like there's a sinkhole in the in there.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   4:32:49It's a big pothole.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   4:32:50Yeah, so I can go to the looks like a ten foot pothole.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   4:32:56And um the following photographs are more recent and the board um board directive as to what to do move forward.

   4:33:05I'm right.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   4:33:06Oh,

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   4:33:07you're ready. Can I Thank you. What I was gonna say before this morning. Sure.

   4:33:16Can I

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   4:33:16share

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   4:33:17what I was gonna share this morning? Can you pull up the PDF place for storm damage? I just wanted to give everyone some background information. Which

   4:33:32I'm taking the position that I need to feel I need to take on this project.

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:33:38Okay. Well?

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   4:33:43That's not

   4:33:47Well It's like that's

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:33:57A different one. Yeah.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   4:33:59So July twenty eighth, twenty sixteen, nine thirty to eleven thirty. Start off with site visit tour district to view flooding and roads.

   4:34:20Mm-hmm. I can start and then we can look at the photos.

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:34:24Yes, we're definitely.

   4:34:38Is is there anything is there something in there? Uh really an email.

   County Administrator

   4:34:43I think it's in there.

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:34:45Okay. Well Try it. I think it's

   Robert Ryan

   4:34:47like page

   County Administrator

   4:34:48sixteen. Right.

   4:34:54This page.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   4:35:00There's no page number.

   4:35:05Like to recommend we always page them every day.

   County Administrator

   4:35:09Okay, just tape down.

   4:35:14It's the same as forest doesn't argue to the right spot.

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:35:17Mm, but I have it.

   County Administrator

   4:35:21Oh there we go.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   4:35:22This was a presentation that we made to uh for Senator Latvala and um I think Amber Mariano.

   4:35:32And then we gave him a tour. We should be up like five.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   4:35:36Three pages.

   4:35:39That's not it.

   4:35:46The one photo was it, but that's not

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   4:35:49Is that one there? No.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   4:35:51Mm-hmm. Right there.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   4:35:54That's the start of the report. What's grand risk?

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   4:35:58No. Can you scroll down please? This isn't the presentation.

   4:36:05Oh boy.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   4:36:08Alfersh Parkway.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   4:36:10That was the flooding.

   4:36:23Oh there we go. No,

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   4:36:25Landon Murphy.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   4:36:26Okay. So This was the Pasco storms from twenty fifteen and on July twenty-eighth, two thousand sixteen, I'm assuming public works had shared. If you can go down two pages, please. Yeah.

   4:36:43And zoom out.

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:36:45Yeah.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   4:36:48Okay.

   4:36:51In twenty fifteen, you can go to the next slide please, hundreds of roads were damaged by the twenty fifteen storms. Uh the road basins were saturated from the constant rain and it had ruined the road basins. So if you can see the photos here, this is what a lot the majority of these roads looked like prior to

   4:37:10It's coding. Um, next slide.

   4:37:14And this is one of the photos that I'm glad to do. Not sure where it's at. But I'm gonna tell you that's what Lakewood Villa streets look like. Over on Cypress Drive in Lakewood Villas, right off Massachusetts. There were cars stuck in the roads, and that's what the roads looked like. Um next slide please.

   4:37:36Our governor at the time and Sheriff Nacko and others had came out to look at the road damage. As you can see, the chips and the Of the road.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   4:37:47That's me in the blue suit behind Michelle.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   4:37:52The next line. So what they did when they first came in, public's work crews, they applied the asphalt millings to provide the immediate response, emergency response. to meet the needs so people can just have roads that they could drive on. As you could tell in the previous slides, you could were not able to drive on those roads. Next slide please. Over one hundred and fifty roads were destroyed during the pa um required paving. and we were only to able to put a temporary fix on it. that to

   4:38:23repave all of those roads it would have been fifteen million dollars. The board authorized three hundred um sorry, three point five million in Restore Act money to pave the worst of the one roads that were affected during the storms. The repairs were made The repairs made at that time were only expected to last three years. So again, first they applied the asphalt millings. And then they that was still only a temporary, temporary fix. And then on the next slide. They did

   4:38:53apply a sealer to the millings to create a temporary repair. The next slide.

   4:39:01The roads that were driven on more didn't last as long, so they had to continuously keep up with those roads. And the ones that weren't driven on as much, they lasted a little bit longer. Next slide. So the first step, um, they removed the loose millings and did in-house spot repairs on low areas that experienced the worst of the base failure. And they only did it on this cer certain damaged roads. Next slide.

   4:39:34After that Go ba I'll go back to that after. So just remember from the original millings to here, at this point, they applied the single chip seal to all the damaged roads in one point eight million dollars. The chip seal was a provide a protection while permanent solutions, P VASS, could be established. So when The motions were main. It was only to be a temporary fix. And then that's when they estimated this repair was only gonna last

   4:40:04three years. And then the next slide was the flooding that ended up causing a lot of these. And I wanted to mention

   4:40:20We have

   4:40:23In July. In August of twenty fifteen twenty fifteen. The major roads were damaged due to the rainfalls and the flooding. There was originally forty-three, I think it ended up being a hundred and fifty roads that were damaged due to the storms.

   4:40:43And on December nineteen um December ninth of two thousand and fifteen.

   4:40:50They were going over the projects that consisted of forty three roads. Next, on December of 2015, the board voted and approved to spend the $3.5 million. It was funded by a combination of program maintenance, normal payment assessments, and funds generated through the subdivisions in the agenda items. Um Ms. Cool. Of course they start off with the millings, but again Commissioner Mariano moved to approve the three

   4:41:20point five For from the VP settlement funds, Commissioner Weight seconded it. This was only supposed to be A temporary fix until They could all be P VAS down the road. Next in two April of two thousand sixteen They modified and adjusted the budget of the program. And Commissioner Schrader had moved.

   4:41:48to uh add and make modify the flexibility to add the additional roads. I believe it was the additional roads and I believe Commissioner Mariano was seconding and s Commissioner Starkey was also here at the time. So 150 roads were identified during the base damage and base failure. And They added and prioritized the roads to fix the program.

   4:42:16Mm-hmm.

   4:42:19And then the last part.

   4:42:25I got a million emails in the past.

   4:42:29Absolutely.

   4:42:38And then on three on March fifteenth, they They approved. They agreed to a temporary repair. So I just wanted to let everyone know The approximately 150 roads suffered extreme base damage due to the extensive flooding in July of 2015. On April 26, 2016, the BOCC uh allocated 1.8 million of the BP settlement funds.

   4:43:07to allow a single chip or a fog seal the roads. This was a temporary measure. were intended to stabilize the roads to provide access as a temporary repair pending paving or reconstruction under the paving assessment. Because the roads have the bases have failed.

   4:43:26and they were fixing them. But it was said from the beginning they were going to use the restore the B P funds, three point five million To do the chem temporary chip seal until the roads could get through the PVAS process.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   4:43:43They weren't they weren't restore funds, they were B P settlement funds. There's a there's a different

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   4:43:48Okay. That's his resort. Okay, so it was the B P funds. Somewhere in that says restore. But the B P funds were allocated to only do a temporary fixed seal, chip seal. So that's why for me knowing the background and moving forward and know what the commissioners in the past had planned for this project. I feel I need to continue moving forward.

   4:44:18So that was my entry into the Crane's Ruse project. Do we have people to listen to?

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   4:44:26I left. Did you already pro pr uh present? Yes, I did. Okay. And I agree a hundred percent with the commissioner. That um That report you saw and I don't know if Kathy remembers and those that were here, but we we made that presentation for Senator Latvala and Representative Murphy and then I took her on a uh a bus ride. Around um Parts of the county. in um to show them issues that were affecting their districts. Um And

   4:44:56we were hoping that we could get law changed so that we could use gas tax for w for um uh fixing roads which weren't you know, weren't allowed for potholes, but we can't, right? Um I don't know if you were here, Ainsley, when we when we did that. Yeah, but we were trying to get them and there's a slide there that said that we were trying to get them to change state law. Uh for more flexibility with some of our With some of our money. But um it was always agreed that that money that those fixes were temporary. Um they're

   4:45:27one big storm away from looking like oatmeal again. Um And Uh we've been we've done how many already as board initiated Ainsley?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   4:45:40We have completed Uh eight of them so far. Sorry, seven of them so far and we have another um Four or two to go.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   4:45:49Okay, so I I feel it would be inappropriate to stop midstream from what we've already been doing. Um and and uh We made this commitment when we spent the taxpayers money of th three million five hundred on this? that we would do this in uh I I know it looks great today, but It's not gonna look great. for very long. And um I I do want to rem remind everybody when that

   4:46:19storm came and we tried to get FEMA disaster money. Uh they looked at uh our roads by Google Earth and they said, no, no way, your roads didn't fail because of all this water. I mean, your roads were failing already. and you need to fix your roads. And uh it's because of all the potholes and a and the bad condition of the roads that those roads exploded like that. So that's what FEMA said to us and that we couldn't use the m we couldn't get any help

   4:46:49from the feds to fix those roads.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   4:46:52Can you pull up the other thing?

   Tim Wilfong

   4:46:55Yes,

   Mike Moore

   4:46:55sir. Mr. Chairman Mariano. Don't we have public comment?

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:46:59Yes, we do. We're discussing I was just fixing until

   Mike Moore

   4:47:02we have

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:47:03time.

   4:47:05We're debating between ourselves. Yeah, there's one person.

   Mike Moore

   4:47:08I don't

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:47:09get a public comment. We have one person on WebEx.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   4:47:11Oh, okay.

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:47:14and then we have one in the L.

   Mike Moore

   4:47:16We're still having your problem.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   4:47:18Okay. So

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:47:19So we're gonna hear public comment now is uh first person on WebEx.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   4:47:23Yes, uh we have one person on WebEx for this item, uh Louis Bayers.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   4:47:33Hi, thank you. This is Louis Bayers. I'm at [address removed]. Uh in the area, uh with a comment on this uh paving assessment. Uh basically just three points. Uh first is that the previous agenda items that uh Board has addressed this all day were truly important. They affected the look and the feel of the county, they affected the quality of life, the health and the safety of the county. And then we're not going to be able not just

   4:48:04for immediate neighbors, but for the county at large. It was well worth What's time? to take all this time to go over all those items. But this particular item It's just a paving. It's based on the current conditions of the road, it's unnecessary. Uh For the residents who live here it's unaffordable, just outright unaffordable. Uh as you've seen from seventy or more out of ninety signatures, it's unwanted.

   4:48:35And It doesn't address the root cause of the flooding that's gonna come and take out the next road that gets put in. So The the bottom line is uh the commission ought to just reject or table for three or four or five more years, table this particular repaving initiative. And spend The time. That you have on items like the ones that were done earlier today, truly important things affecting the health. And uh livability

   4:49:05of the county as a whole. And just Table this. Reject it. The residents don't want it, the road doesn't yet need it. Let's come back in five years and have the conversation if we have to, but let's not vote. To move forward on this today. Nobody wants this except the people who five years ago thought it might be a good idea today and uh They were mistaken. The roads are fine. That's my only comment. Thank you very much.

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:49:32Thank you for your comments.

   4:49:36Okay, we'll go now to the uh kioks.

   4:49:42Right.

   Mariam Thomas

   4:49:44Hi, my name is Mariam Thomas. I represent my husband, John and I. I live at [address removed] and I have been sworn in.

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:49:55Check.

   Mariam Thomas

   4:49:57The my first comment that I want to make is um I'm I'm really disappointed in uh Christina Fitzpatrick's uh uh uh slideshow. Not one person in this whole group of us, all s neighbors. First of all, ninety-five.

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:50:11Please address the problem that we have, don't address a a member of our commission. Okay? Just address the problem. That's what we're here for.

   Mariam Thomas

   4:50:20I'll address the problem. Not one picture in that slideshow was of any of our neighborhood. Not one. Not one picture in there. I don't know where these were taken. I with none of us in this neighborhood that are still here after waiting since 1.30 in the afternoon. Half of us, more than half of us had to leave because we have families and had to pick up people. So it's so disrespectful. We're sitting here five over five like five hours later. But anyhow, those the our streets over here were were Bay News Nine came out. They took a look

   4:50:50at our roads over there. and were scratching their heads. They put that on TV. They sat there with a camera and went up and down our roads in Cranes Ruth Drive. We had that whole first meeting with Angely over there. Then the second one we had with uh with Commissioner Fitzpatrick. And we we had pictures that were put up there. Not one picture was put up over there of the Cranes Ruth Drive that was repaved. We had two pictures, one of Planters Lane here that I have. Another picture was on the corner of Thrasher, and Planters

   4:51:20Lane over there was some small minor road, a pothole, and some just little roughness on the road over here, which was not even a part of that paving project. So where are the pictures from our actual neighborhood? They are not in there, they're not representative of that. The roads are literally perfect all the way through. Crane's Roof Strive doesn't even have a pothole in it. So I don't know where that these pictures came from. Obviously someone hasn't done their homework and come out to our neighborhood. We know our neighborhood better than anybody else.

   4:51:51And that none of those pictures represented what our neighborhoods went through and what where where they're they're at right now. And no one's even considering that you guys are sitting there getting your whole paychecks and everything. Our neighborhood has suffered so much all the way around with people who have businesses and stuff that have had problems. We've sat there, my husband and I are both retired, have a limited income over there. sit here and be threatened with seven thousand dollars on a lien against our property, it's just ridiculous. We've

   4:52:21so not been taken care of by this county. Through water projects after another. I had m M Mr. Mariano in my backyard when they were flooding all that across there from Youth Lane, letting all that water come across. He came over in his dress pants and his dress shoes. He saw that water that they left come across the street, flood out our whole backyards and into up between my houses over there, up to my pool, and he said, Here's my card. It's right here that he gave me and he said, This I promise you will

   4:52:51not happen again. That pipe that ran across that they were going to close that off. I've also been told that by Donald Carey, who was out, assessed our property, saw what was pulled on and promised that they were gonna block that whole section off so this would never flood again over here. And guess what? I asked Donald Carey at the last meeting. He said he said, No, no, that was not plugged up.

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:53:12Thank you for your comments, ma'am. Your time's up. Next.

   Mariam Thomas

   4:53:17Is that what I have to say?

   Rob Park

   4:53:20Name address since you've been sworn.

   Robert Ryan

   4:53:21My name is Robert Ryan. I live on [address removed]. I have been sworn in. The problem we have in Crane's Roost It's not our roads, it's under the roads. It's the drainage of the water. The lakes flood You people, the county, did not get the water out of Crane's Roost. Crane's Roost flooded the roads flooded, and then you send in Your trucks To take care of the

   4:53:51problem. The problem was The roads were flooded, and The trucks went down the roads, destroyed the roads. Crane's Ruse was totally destroyed. Okay? Then you come in and you don't fix it right the first time. You put a chip seal on it and say, We'll fix it later. Why didn't it get fixed right the first time, at your cost? Because you, the county trucks and cesspool trucks that you hired out because you couldn't

   4:54:22have enough you didn't have enough trucks to take the water out, so you hired cesspool trucks to go down the road. And they pump the water out. They they they they took care of the problem and then they temporarily fix their problem that they made. You guys made the problem. And now you want us to fix your problem. You want us to pay. We're retired people in there. We can't afford this money. This

   4:54:52is impossible for some of us. Some of us might have to move. I heard a lady say she might have to move. That's absolutely ridiculous. They put all their time and work into their homes. They get flooded out. at the county because the county did not put pump stations and stuff that could supply the water to be pumped out of the the neighborhood. The county didn't do their part. Okay. And now they want us to do our

   4:55:22part And put new roads in. I don't understand why it's on us. Which not be honest.

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:55:31Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Next.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   4:55:35Anyone on charge, so I can speak perfect.

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   4:55:40My name's Candy Snell. I reside at [address removed]. I have been sworn in. I want you to know that I am livid. There's already two commissioners that have made up their minds before even listening to this. Um and I'm also upset about the last meeting that we had because Commissioner Fitzpatrick did not listen to to us when we asked about

   4:56:10the real problem of what needs to be done is Yellow Lake, which is not part of Crane's Roost. And she even gave us the numbers of what that would do if they included Yellow Lake and Sharon Drive. That's not what we're saying. It's not part of Crane's Roost. We want Yellow Lake to be on its own, not part of Crane's Roost. There is not one road in Crane's Roost that needs to be repaved. She's already made up her mind. There

   4:56:40is not one storm away. It will be several years. We've had flooding, and there's been no problem with Cranes Roost Road or the other two that have had chips seal. None whatsoever. The roads are perfect. It's not going to happen. If we have a hurricane and we flood this year, it's not going to happen. There is no reason for you to say in advance that you know this needs to be done.

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:57:09Thank you for your comments.

   Valerie Schaefer

   4:57:15Good afternoon, um commissioners. Uh my name is Valerie Schaefer. I reside at [address removed]. In Crane's Roost, I'm a homeowner for 23 years in the community. And I'm here today to give my comments on the PVAS 33466 that we've been talking about, which you have a recommendation to approve. Today you were handed two folders from us. One was the blue folder with 70 signatures. Which really

   4:57:45constitutes about 95% of our community. The ones that did not sign were people that are renters and they would not be eligible for a vote. Our community is very close knit. There isn't one person that we have spoken to that is for this project, which means we are all immunity. Because we have we lived there, we have lived through the storm of 2015 and 16. 15, which you would see some of the pictures that I had emailed

   4:58:16to the commissioners. One of those pictures was my home.

   4:58:25The roads were damaged by the floodwaters, and then the trucks destroyed it. My road was Grand Central Station. I had about six trucks there for weeks at a time. I saw what happened.

   4:58:43We have no Problems at all in our community. When and if we do, then we could come and we can talk to you at that point. Right now, we do not need it. And uh we did have an expert witness. I had uh also handed you a folder that was uh clear uh from a gentleman. His name was Roger Lord. His son had to have an emergency surgery today. We do send our prayers for his family. He cannot be there. He put in our roads. Uh he would like to talk to you about the base of what he put down

   4:59:13there and how strong it, because we can't see what's under. under our roads at this point, but he knows that knows that our base was strong. He knows about the limestone. So he was uh gonna give a very good presentation today. But we are here again today to say that we are all in agreement to not go forward at this project at this time. We hope you consider that. You are our government, you are our elected officials. Uh we know that Aristida was withdrawn. We would suggest that you with uh withdraw and rescind our project as well.

   4:59:43Thank you.

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:59:44Thank you.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   4:59:46Mr. Chairman Mariano. Um the two dots. My name is Sheryl Wilson.

   Ron OakleyChair

   4:59:50Just a moment.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   4:59:51Just a moment, ma'am. We need a motion to accept to receive and file the blue folder um and also the email she referenced. A motion to receive and file the blue folder.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:00:02And a motion and a second by roll call vote.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:00:05What's the second Commissioner Fitzpatrick? What? What were you doing? Second. Okay, thank you. District two, Commissioner Moore.

   Kathy Pearson

   5:00:14Aye.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:00:15District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Fitzpatrick. Aye. District five, Commissioner Mariano.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:00:21Aye.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:00:21District one, Chairman Oakley.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:00:23Aye. Motion pass five five zero to Receive and file.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:00:28Thank you. Mm shit. Ms. Uh I think Wilfong you may proceed.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:00:34Okay. You can go ahead now.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   5:00:35Yes, I res yes I reside at [address removed]. Um and I've lived there since two thousand and three. And I just want to kind of reiterate what's already been said that one, um, prior to the flooding. The roads we had minor damage, nothing Um major. Um, we were flooded for weeks. We had the trucks lined up from our house all the way down, probably about a two-block.

   5:01:07um spread for about two to three weeks up and down our roads. When the water finally receded, the roads had been destroyed by the trucks.

   5:01:20We did want the roads fixed at that point and we did um pursue that and you um we did do the chip seal. The roads are perfect. Um there's no potholes in the road. There's no sign of wear in the road. Um And I I'm asking that you um table this motion at this time. Thank you for your time.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:01:46Okay, thank you. Mm-hmm. Yes, ma'am.

   Laura Slain

   5:01:51Hello? My name is Laura Slain. I live on [address removed]. I have been there for 20 years. Um, I have not seen any difference in my road from the time I moved in until today. And Definitely does not need anything done. I don't recall any flooding on our road. We're over on the other side of the lake. And uh Apparently the ground flows down toward the lake. I do not ever remember standing water in my yard or

   5:02:21on the road at all. Um Planners Lane and Crane's Russe Drive is a different story. There's water over those roads, especially during our major storms. And um all of those roads were very, very bad to travel on. Planners Lane has a little bit of damage from it from just potholes. Other than that, you fill the potholes and it's fine. We are not a through community. There is no through traffic that goes through our roads. My road is a dead end road, and when

   5:02:51I say dead end, I mean dead end. It it's not even a cul-de-sac. And we do not need this done. I am one of the people that is retired, and if this is passed through, I am gonna be forced to sell my home because. I spend what I need on things. I don't spend what other people think I should spend. I cannot afford it. And so this would force me to move. So thank you very much.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:03:15Thank you.

   5:03:20Yes, sir.

   John Schneiderman

   5:03:22My name is John Schneiderman. I reside at [address removed]. I have been sworn in. Um I think the main issue that has to be addressed today is this myth that Um because in two thousand and fifteen This idea of it being temporary means we have to act today. There's nothing in any statute, there's nothing in any rule, there's nothing saying that we have to do this today.

   5:03:53What this really comes down to is a matter of choice. And you, as our elected representatives, have to make that choice today. And the when you make that choice you have to decide Whether or not you are looking out Something that five years ago you said this is temporary so therefore we have to move on and fix it now or you have to look at the facts. And the facts of the matter are,

   5:04:23if any of you have gone into Crane's Roost and you looked at Crane's Roost Drive, you would say, this is a beautiful road. This is not a Pockmark road, there are no potholes, there are no cracks. This is one of the nicest roads in the community. Look at it for yourself before you say, well, five years ago we said this is temporary and it might not last. Someone previously said this isn't a through street and that's why the roads are still in really good condition.

   5:04:54At our last meeting where we m met with Commissioner Fitzpatrick, I asked her to look into how much money has actually been spent to maintain Crane Trust over the last five years. And I haven't heard that number yet, but I would say it's virtually zero. And you know why? It hasn't needed it. So why do we have to follow up on a policy that was proposed five years in case these

   5:05:24roads do deteriorate when the fact of the matter they they have it. You are commissioners. 95% of our community says this should not be done. Represent us. Don't represent something that was passed or decided upon five years ago, but focus on what exists today. Thank you for your time.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:05:48Thank you.

   5:05:51Very good, John.

   John Schneiderman

   5:05:52Oh god.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:05:55Yes, ma'am.

   Aiselby

   5:05:56My name is Aiselby. I live at [address removed]. I have been sworn in. I want this on the record. That our roads are not bad. are not bad. I mean back where I'm from? Yeah, you have to four have a four I have to go down. These roads are not bad at all. And if if y'all wanna spend

   5:06:27six thousand dollars of mine I want estimates. I want to know. how much my money is going and for what. I want estimates. I just don't want one company coming in and doing it all. I want somebody that's gonna come in and take care of things, take care of all of us. Neighbors. You know? We we don't want somebody coming in and tearing everything up. And then leave

   5:06:57in in a big mess. So I'm just saying My household says You need to Just Say no. We're not gonna do this. Thank you.

   Tim Wilfong

   5:07:11Thank you. Yeah, sir. Good afternoon, Commissioners. My name is Tim Wilfong and I reside at [address removed]. We've been there since 2003. Um Brains Roofs consists of 82 family residents, and 95% of which do not want this to go on. We feel at this time it's not needed. And by the pictures that we

   5:07:42were shown earlier. Um Whoever th those roads belong to, they need it more than we do. We don't need this. Um Those roads right now. are in better shape. than they were in two thousand three when we moved in there. When we moved in, there were potholes and there were problems. Not big, but there were potholes. We don't so much as have potholes at all. We

   5:08:12have kids that skateboard down the street. You do not see kids skateboard on the roads. that were pictured in the presentation that you gave us. So I would just urge the board to act on behalf of the uh

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:08:30the

   Tim Wilfong

   5:08:31wishes of the residents of Cranes Crane's Brooks. Thank you.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:08:39Yes, ma'am.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   5:08:41Hi D. I'm Dr. Suzanne Green Taldone and I live at [address removed] and I have been sworn in. And I come to you as one of the residents of Crane's Roos asking you to vote no. On P P V A S three three four six. The commissioners in two thousand seventeen We're trying to help us by stabilizing our roads with chip seal in that year. then the action that is before

   5:09:11you as it's been discussed is a follow-up Mechanical action of what happened in trying to help us. If you chip seal, then it comes back to the board. you should not put this upon us against our wishes. You should vote on what is happening now, not on what is was happening those many years ago. Yes, we do appreciate it and we do l appreciate the chip seal and the stabilizing of our roads. However,

   5:09:42we don't want our money wasted because the cause of the problem, the water issues, have not been corrected. There will still be flooding of our roads and flooding into our houses, and it has not been fixed. And uh Commissioner Fitzpatrick, your own stormwater personnel who presented and at our meeting that you called for us told you, and the other commissioners of course could not be there, that it will be years before our water issues will actually

   5:10:13be fixed. I asked you to then wait. Road destruction will happen again if we get our big floods. Putting in this new road will not stay if we get these massive problems again. Wait.

   5:10:33I also come before you today in red, white and blue if you could see my pants. To remind you that we fought in America to have representation. of the citizens for what they want. We do not Want and have Others parenting us to make those decisions for us, especially when those decisions do not make sense. Make your decisions today and vote no on what is happening

   5:11:03now, not what happened four years ago, not what got put into place by other commissioners who no longer are even here. Do on what is happening now, what the situation is, and our water issues have not been resolved and will not be. Probably they commented for another five years. So let's wait. Wait and spend our money then and have our roads fixed then. Thank you.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:11:28Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice J

   5:11:34Yeah, sir. Hi, I'm Doug Howrie. I live at [address removed]. Uh I'm here to voice the same opinions that my neighbors are. There's no reason at this time to do the roads. The roads are in great shape. And you're putting the cart before the horse. The flooding issues have not been resolved. Okay. Four or five years ago those flooding issues still are intact today. So to do the roads now. would not be a wise move. So I'm asking you to withdraw this motion.

   Unidentified speakerVoice K

   5:12:03Yeah.

   Unidentified speakerVoice J

   5:12:04There's nobody in the neighborhood that wants it. Ninety five percent have spoken out against it. Um you need to do the right thing and withdraw this motion.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:12:12Thanks, sir.

   5:12:15Anybody else? Well, I think that's it.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   5:12:19D boss.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:12:20Okay.

   Eric Breitenbach

   5:12:22No one else is at the kiosk to speak on this item.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:12:25All right, thank you.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:12:26Um Mr. Chairman Mariano

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:12:29Okay.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:12:31And you know, no nobody likes this darn P Bass and I get it. Excuse me just a minute.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:12:36We have an email to read in the record. Let's read the email and then we'll come back to you.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:12:43Okay.

   5:12:45The email is from Stacy Um Uh I think it's Sh Schneidler, Schneidlerman. Um it's S-C-H-N-E-I-D-E-R-M-A-N. Address is [address removed]. Hello. I am requesting that the following email be read into the record at the upcoming BCC meeting being held on April 20th at 130 P. M. regarding the Cranes Roos Pap Repaving Project. I would have preferred to speak in person, but I will be at work during that

   5:13:15time. There are two issues that need to be addressed during to be addressed based on the Commissioner's responses at the last meeting. The first issue is one commissioner's claim. that repavement is needed because it is a waste. Uh is ne needed because it's a waste of taxpayer money to continue paving for maintenance of roads that are in need of repaving. While this argument seems reasonable, it is based on a faulty premise that the county is actually paying money for maintaining the roads within Crane's Roost. The truth of the matter is that very little, if any, money

   5:13:45has been spent in the last four years for maintaining these roads. We had a small pothole, one of two on Planters Lane in front of our home for over a year and a half and the county never did anything to fix it until last month. That is not spending money for maintenance. Well this is only anecdotal You are our representatives and it would be very easy for you to see how much money was actually spent maintaining these roads in Crane's Roost. If you look at the facts and conclude that a lot of money has

   5:14:15been spent over the last four years, then perhaps this is a legitimate argument. If you look into the matter and not very much money has been spent for maintaining our roads, then the argument is based on a faulty premise and should not be considered.

   5:14:38The second issue that needs to be addressed is one that has that was mentioned at the last Ah has been mention mentioned by at least one commissioner and Mr. Ainsley. That argument is that Crane's Roost Drive was chip sealed and this was just a temporary fix. Perhaps the life perhaps life expectancy of chip seal is only four to five years. But in this case, the chip sealing has far exceeded expectations. If any commissioners have actually looked at Crane's Roost Drive, you would no doubt conclude that it is not a

   5:15:12in the letter sent to homeowners. But in fact is one of the nicer roads in the area. Please look at it yourself before voting for this assessment on our homeowners. Perhaps it is a fact that Cranes Roost Drive is not a through street and gets very little traffic except homeowners visitors and service vehicles, but the Chip SEAL is an excellent is in excellent condition and does not need to be torn up and repaved. Please do not vote for this project without actually seeing the condition of Crane's Roosevelt. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:15:40Thank you. Ms. Starkey?

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:15:42Okay, so um no doubt no one likes the P PVAS. Um I have a home in Aristida that's been going through PVAS nightmare for the last few years. And as one of the um speakers mentioned Um it was rescinded and it was rescinded because you what was the process that you were gonna do in Aristida?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   5:16:04Microservicing.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:16:05Microservicing. Is that kind of similar to chip seal? Just a little more more just a little more?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   5:16:10It's similar but in terms of longevity is about the same.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:16:13Yeah. So the reason that that that Aristida is not going to do that anymore because they realize that that's gonna last three years, maybe four. Um and then we're gonna have to do the uh really fix the road and the residents that live in there will be paying two assessments, not one. They'll still be paying for the first assessment that is a temporary fix. So Um the idea is that they'll just go for the permanent fix. Um I think the people on Crane's

   5:16:43Roost think they have a great road 'cause the chip seal hasn't started deteriorating yet. Um and uh When that deteriorates, how quickly does that deteriorate?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   5:16:55It's unpredictable. It depends on the amount of um rainfall we have. Um many factors. It can be rapid.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:17:03Rapid. So uh while we didn't see pictures of the cranes roofs А I saw it when it was underwater. I didn't see what it looked like after or I don't recall. I know I drove through there. Um was it? But if it if it failed, it's because it was full of potholes and the lime rock got saturated, I'm gonna guess. Did you have pictures?

   5:17:26Can they can they put 'em back up? So um the thr the three million five hundred dollars that we had um that we loaned to the neighborhoods to have their roads fixed temporar so that's what your road looked like. And the taxpayers of Pasco County came in and um loaned the neighborhood some money. so that they could have driveable roads. And it's not gonna be too long before it will look like that again. And If you

   5:17:57were to get into the PVAS program Um how long would it be before you could even start doing their road?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   5:18:04This um if it gets approved today, we're looking at about six to nine months out and in terms of actually appearing on the bill the tax bill, it would be about um twenty twenty-three.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:18:17And and this can be spread out over a many years. Yes. And this would be full depth reclamation. Is that what I read? That's correct. So that is full depth depth reclamation.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   5:18:30Um i because you add um cement, um, it becomes impervious, so water will not get into the base and deteriorate the base of the road.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:18:40Okay, so the so the road will stay the same even if it's underwater.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   5:18:44Yes.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:18:45Yeah. So um that's

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:18:47because I was with the

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:18:48Yeah, it's it's uh it's a great road, it'll last th th through water events and um your your road looks great right now but It is well did you measure the thickness of it? Did you go out there and take samples?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   5:19:04I did I didn't measure the thickness.

   5:19:09It's not extensive, but there are cracks that are.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:19:11So the when water gets in those cracks in this rainy season You're gonna see you're gonna see it go. Thank you. Thank you very much.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:19:18Mr. Moore.

   5:19:22Mr. Moore?

   Mike Moore

   5:19:23Chairman Mari Start my Yes, thank you. Let me start my video again. I'll just I'll keep it on mute purposely. Yeah.

   5:19:30Listen, um I appreciate all the comments that are made today and I uh by all the commissioners. Can

   5:19:35we turn his volume up? Can you turn your volume up?

   5:19:39Okay. I can't put it in guys.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:19:42Okay, that's

   Mike Moore

   5:19:43good.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:19:44So the product is a good thing. That's better, yes sir. I just

   Mike Moore

   5:19:48have So Anyways, um I appreciate the comments made by obviously the commissioners and as have spoken as well as the the citizens there. Um You know, it kind of goes back to the conversation we had last time. And you've got ninety-five percent of the hit front. Except for a few like you mentioned rent renters. Now right now it's that they don't want it. And you know, and I go back to the PVAFs, we've had these conversations recently. Yeah. See? No

   5:20:19I know it else could be, but they say they don't want it. There's no

   5:20:33If they don't want it now, don't want it. And it five years down the road Something happens? If they're willing to pay for it, they are. If they're not, they're not. It's just the reality in my mind. You've got basically everybody that lives there that says they don't want it. Let's not force them to have it. I mean the I guess the point, you know, is you know I understand when it's close and I've said this before when it's fifty percent

   5:21:03or fifty five or forty nine or w whatever it may be, it's close. But we're in a situation here where you you basically have every single person in a neighborhood that's saying no. So let's not force this upon them. If it breaks down, it's unfortunate. If they have to drive around potholes, it's unfortunate. But they're saying they're willing to take that risk at this time. Or wait a few years. I heard a number of them say that, hey, in three or four or five years we need to do it, we need to do it, they're willing to do it. Some did say they

   5:21:33would. If they're not at that time, then they're not at that time either. But you know, and let's be hon I mean we know and let's listen, we've we've had some history of let's be honest, in Crane's roots with some things where we didn't always see it eye to eye on on some projects going on. But that shit doesn't matter. At this point in time, I agree with the residents a hundred percent. Ninety five percent of them say they don't want it. Let's listen to I don't really think there needs to be a debate anymore, to be honest with you.

   5:22:03The rest of the the rest of the meeting about this. You have enough people, basically everybody, that says no. Don't force them to it. They don't want it. They don't want it. Done.

   Jack Mariano

   5:22:16Mr. Mariano? Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Moore. I think you're dead on the money. You know, Angle, if you had a done a public request and and did the survey of the people to ask them if they wanted the survey done. And if they came back and ninety-five percent of the people said no, we don't want it, what would have happened to that?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   5:22:35If it's a property owner-initiated project, we would have sent out ballots. Right. So you sort of have a lot of people.

   Jack Mariano

   5:22:46So especially at 95 percent, this board would never even see it. It's tucked away. You get to send a letter out and it's done. If it were a property owner initiated. Okay. So we're talking even like fifty-one percent shut down, it wouldn't even come to us. We're talking ninety-five percent of the people. have come forward to say they don't want it. I haven't heard a single person in this whole development say they want it. When I look at that type of feedback you're getting for people. And these people are pretty active. I've been in the neighborhood for many years. I got a lot of friends in there. My insurance vice resident used to live in there with a family was there. So I've been this road many times

   5:23:16for many years. Um When we get recommendations like this, you have got a recommendation of approval now. And that's, I believe, because you have a Board of County Commissioners that said we want to get it done. You have got a single commissioner that was here before that said they want it done. That's the reason you made the the recommendation of approval, correct? That's why we're standing here, yes. Okay, so that's why we're standing here. Uh if it was done differently, this thing's not even before us. So let's look at the present situation. You've got current pitchers, I got past pitchers. I've been on the road, the

   5:23:46road's in great shape. The people say it's in great shape. That's good enough for me to say we shouldn't be doing this. They say they don't need it, and we don't have to do this. This is not even debate whether we can do it because it's a comp plan issue. Do we need to look at these things? What things should we consider? What things should we factor in? This is a simple, are we gonna make these people spend their money to the road they don't want to do that they can wait on? And they're they're they all know the risk. They all know what's been done to the roads. Now we even know better what's done to the roads because two of the roads were actually

   5:24:16fully done. Never mind just the chip seal. So they know the situation and they still are coming out here saying they don't want to see this done. This this as Commissioner Weightman said, this should be simple. Repairs were were Expected to last three years. Expected to last three years, but guess what? They're lasting a lot longer. Why do I need to go back to something I thought I was going to do four or five years ago, find out that my situation is much better now? Why am I going to go just because I said I was going to do it? When I look at the real facts who are in front

   5:24:46of me right now, this is easy. We don't need to go do it. They don't want it done. I mean we are representing those people. Um I mean I was there When all the flooding was going, when I got a call from one one of the residents there's hey, we got we got Benderson's pumping into our neighborhood, they're flooding us out. What are we gonna do? And we got 'em to stop that. We ran a pipe in down youth lane, up the street. That wasn't enough. We ran another one up to Galen Wilson, right? all the way up there and we kept him from flooding. We still

   5:25:16got to deal with these flooding issues that are going on there. They're not solved yet. I think we're doing some great things. I mean Stormwater, Mike, you've done a great job with your team. We're thirteen percent approval rating as far as how how they're looking at us. So we're doing the right things. But this is not the time to do this road. The people don't want it. They don't want to spend the money. It's their money. We don't need to do this and I'll tell you what. I got a project in Holiday Hills and needs to get done. That they chip seal too, but that one needs to be done. This one here doesn't need to be done. And with those people out there speaking so clearly that they know what they want, why

   5:25:47are we gonna force it on 'em?

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:25:48Ms. Fitzpatrick.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   5:25:51Okay.

   5:25:54A few different things. So Halfway down that road, how big is that pothole? Do you know?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   5:25:59Sorry.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   5:26:00Do you know how big that pothole it pothole is?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   5:26:03No, it it was extensive uh all along the road. This was back in 2015.

   Jack Mariano

   5:26:08Okay.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:26:09That's not today.

   Jack Mariano

   5:26:10Right.

   5:26:13Any today pictures?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   5:26:14If you s scroll forward, this is on Planters Lane Trash Lane and that's on um Planters and Trashers Court. I was taken a couple months ago, maybe two, three months ago.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   5:26:27Who do we make an agreement with when we use the B P funds?

   5:26:33No We made a

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:26:34commitment amongst the five commissioners.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   5:26:37So it wasn't to the state or

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:26:41no. No. No, it's five commissioners went out. We the

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:26:45five commissioners said if we take this money that could be used used for for something something for all the people of Pasco County, we will Lend it to these neighborhoods as a temporary fix, but we will come back in and require those roads to be fixed. That's what we said to the five of us. That's what we voted on.

   Jack Mariano

   5:27:05And we also said we're gonna make sure we did the stormwater improvements that had to be done too. Matter of fact, the first set of things that were done on holiday, I didn't even vote for it because I didn't think the stormwater stuff was done.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:27:14That didn't

   Jack Mariano

   5:27:15have anything

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:27:15to do with the

   Jack Mariano

   5:27:16BP money. But everything that we do is a decision based upon the information we have currently in front of us at that point in time. And now we're at a different point in time. So my question.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:27:25Mr. Chairman Mariano is four.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   5:27:27It is At what point will the water mitigation because I know when we had the two and a half hour meeting the other night with Crane's roost? I thought it was said that the water was gonna be resolved prior or when the roads were being repaved. Is the stormwater concerns fixed in the

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   5:27:48I'm not sure of the time schedule. There are two um uh drainage issues here. One is road related drainage and one is a more basin related. And that's what um at your meeting uh Donald Carey addressed. I don't have that time frame. Um but but in terms of any road related drainage and because the um full depth reclamation is a methodology we're using in terms of preservation of the base that would be most effective. Uh way to set uh to to to maintain the road, or to preserve the road, sorry.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   5:28:16Okay.

   5:28:19I wanna read can I read an email? Oh yeah. So I did receive an email from someone in Crane's Ruse this morning that is understandably to assess for the paving due to our low to tax cost base, which everyone enjoys. You can see all the puddles this morning in the streets showing all the dips in the settlement. Please vote yes on PVAS thirty three forty six. It is a needed project. As a resident for over thirty three years, it's time to do some maintenance here in Cro Cranes

   5:28:49Roost. Please focus on the road issues and not the distraction of Benderson Humping, flooding, COVID, and all the clutter. Improving Crane's roost is an improvement for the Pasco County, which is the main goal. Thank you for voting yes. So We have a lot of people saying no. We have other people saying yes.

   Mike Moore

   5:29:11Commissioner, can you send that email to all us since it's public record now and we can see the address?

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   5:29:18Can you set This was sent to all the commissioners. This morning at eight forty three AM.

   Jack Mariano

   5:29:25Is there more than just that one?

   Mike Moore

   5:29:28Yeah.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   5:29:30Well this is another one from yesterday that the seventy of them are against it.

   5:29:39So what is the time frame that the stormwater damage

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   5:29:44I'm sorry, I don't I don't have that information.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   5:29:48At what point can we know that information?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   5:29:51I can get back Maybe tomorrow.

   5:29:58Mm-hmm.

   5:30:01project yes.

   Mike Carballa

   5:30:02So that's the the Hidden Lake project and I mean this next fiscal year we're planning on land acquisition, so we're at least two to three years away from that project being implemented.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   5:30:11And then how is this gonna affect cranes first?

   Mike Carballa

   5:30:15I would have to defer to Donald Kerry on the exact nature of it. I know that the impounding the stormwater upstream will provide some benefit to downstream flooding.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   5:30:24Will it affect their roads? Do you have to do drilling or ripping up the roads?

   County Administrator

   5:30:31No, that's all.

   Mike Carballa

   5:30:32No, no, that's you know the the work that Ainsley's talking about here, the road related drainage is the water that falls on the road and and managing that water. The basin related flooding, which is just related to the topography of the area, that's a different it's a whole different animal. Mother Nature can always design a storm that will outmaneuver us. So to to say that someone's road or home will e never ever flood that we we can't say that.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   5:30:56Isn't there an additional stormwater project besides the Road Basin project?

   Mike Carballa

   5:31:02If it is not a major swift mud project, there may be something that the Stormwater Department has uh to do moderate improvements that they do. I'm I'm not privy to that list at this time. I can certainly find out.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   5:31:12Okay. And I do I was aware um the citizen I have spoken to citizens, they said their roads, their their pond has not overflowed, it has not come back up into the road and I we did Pasco did. stopped the pumping from Benderson Pumping. They sent it back over the roads to Galen Wilson and over on Youth Drive.

   5:31:37I do know the comment that she mentioned with the Aresita that was changed from a chip seal to a full depth reclamation. It was not polled or canceled.

   5:31:49So the only concern that I had was Who did we make that agreement to? And if it was the three members and four members, five members of the board that came to the agreement. I know the one had said they thought this was over before I came in, so

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:32:10Here's an impression. What's the pleasure of the board?

   Mike Moore

   5:32:19Mr. Chairman Mariano. Can I make one more? But I mean i and commissioner to actually you obviously seem passionate about this and I can appreciate it. Um Why don't why don't you um you know, I I have no why don't you put it out to a vote to the residents? And if you're s and if you you're stating that there's a few residents you've spoken to that are in favor, put it out for a vote and and see how it ends up. See if it ends up over fifty percent.

   Jack Mariano

   5:32:49Mr. Chairman Mariano

   5:32:53I'm gonna I'm gonna make a motion to deny staff's approval.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:32:57Okay. I got a motion. To deny?

   5:33:03Do I have a second? Can I have a second? Second. All those in favor? Second. By roll call vote.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:33:12District two, Commissioner Moore.

   Mike Moore

   5:33:14Say. I mean that no, I I'm sorry. Which way

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:33:19you vote?

   Mike Moore

   5:33:20Motion to not bring the

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:33:21the motion is to nine a project. So

   Mike Moore

   5:33:24Yeah. So

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:33:25you'd

   Unidentified speakerVoice J

   5:33:25have

   Mike Moore

   5:33:25to

   Unidentified speakerVoice J

   5:33:26bring

   Mike Moore

   5:33:26it for

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:33:28I agree, yes. District three, Commissioner Starkey.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:33:31I'm gonna say I um no. I'm gonna say what is the wait, what's the motion?

   5:33:38I'm not gonna agree with that motion because we made a commitment with that three million, three and a half million dollars that we were we had a plan. and that we were gonna stick to it and I it's not easy and some of those people out there are my friends, but we made a commitment that we were gonna um use other people's money to temporarily fix their road and we've done seven PVASs already like this and to all of a sudden cave in to to pressure On the eighth.

   5:34:09Um I don't think is appropriate. What we could what I could suggest is that just so it doesn't come back up to us again, Ainsley, is put this off for another year.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:34:19Okay.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:34:20We're and um Well we're gonna vote right I know we can vote. We can vote on this, but we could say that they'll get an no, don't bring it back. Do you wanna hear this again? No. Just um Let 'em have another year of the loan of the money. And um and then start it. So they wouldn't see any fix for three years, then anything on a tax bill for three years, but But um I'm voting I uh Against

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:34:48the

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:34:48motion? Against the motion.

   5:34:52The

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:34:52motion is to decline, Mr. Moore.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:34:54Right. I'm I'm with staff's recommendation to fix the road. I look at it and I think it's a road about to fall apart. But what

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:35:02are you voting?

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:35:06I'm not in agreement with Commissioner Moore canceling

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:35:08it. Okay. I got an aye and I got a nay.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:35:11District Four, Commissioner Fitzpatrick. Can I say one thing?

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:35:15Yeah, vote.

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   5:35:19Wait, can wait. She said I I wanna just I was going to come in tonight. To move to discontinue The board initiated project for Crane Dreost. But do another board. with other roads and obviously I'm not right now. But It was gonna have to get restarted anyway. So I am in agreement as of now. Luckily I was not here. Okay. I'm hanging out.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:35:45Unfortunately well fortunately for me I wasn't here. I did not make any kind of an agreement with anyone, so I don't yes, I don't have to mark it. So I'm agreeing with the citizens and I am saying I Yay to him. Thank you.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:36:00Yay to his motion. District five, Commissioner Mariano.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:36:04Aye.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:36:05District one, Chairman Oakley.

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:36:08Motion Fails to fails to pass is approved the project.

   Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

   5:36:16Commissioner, I don't think we can ever come in And do what we did again. We can't. It's um it's politically very difficult to come in and You know, borrow money For a temporary fix. Other people have to come in and pay for their roads to be fixed and these guys didn't have to. And I don't think that's appropriate. I think if w if we ever come in and fix a road Um that has an emergency

   5:36:46fail.

   5:36:49We're gonna have to vote that there will be I mean we we we just can't do this. We and we can't subject ourselves to this because Peer pressure is tough. Thank you, Asley. No

   Ron OakleyChair

   5:37:01problem. Yes, sir. We'll move on to R forty three. Internal services purchasing.