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1Sep 28, 2021
Board of County CommissionersP82Public hearingContinued
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Approved to continue to the December 7, 2021 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in New Port Richey.
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Ron OakleyChair
Move on to the P eighty two up move? Yes, that's correct. Okay.
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
I already said publication, but I'll say it again. Tampa Bay Times, August 25th, 2021.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Uh Commissioner Oakley is uh agenda item P that PWR 21-0092. It's the McDonald Lane PVAS project number 3447. There's one street, it's non-counter maintained, but paved. Uh, the estimated project cost is $59,085. And the maximum cost per ERU is $7,312 and 50 cents. There's no discount on this project. In terms of the um the votes, there were 10 possible votes. Um
we had six responses, three were in favor, three were against. Um the annual installation is over a 15-year period at 3.25% interest, and that's per the ordinance. Um, 50% um we need to bring it to the board for um consideration. And I think I have a photograph. And this is the location map. and uh condition of the road.
Jack Mariano
Mr. Chairman Mariano. Yes. Paisley. Ooh. Yes. Where are you going?
I'm here, I'm not leaving. Yes,
Unidentified speakerVoice A
sir. Go ahead. Um why didn't this get a discount? Because it's non count maintained. There's no discount. That's for the ord ordinance and the uh methodologies. There's no discount.
And it's a longer um repayment period. That's why it's fifteen years.
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
I've never seen us
Unidentified speakerVoice A
do a P Lass
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
on a non county maintained.
Ron OakleyChair
Yeah.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
So if it's counter maintained, there's a discount, a reduction.
Jack Mariano
Yeah.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
But because it's non-counter maintained, there's no discount given. But there's a longer repayment period.
Public road.
But non-county maintained.
Jack Mariano
So it's it's I I don't as Commissioner Starkey just mentioned, I don't remember the last time we had a non county maintained P Lass.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Yes, we we have
Jack Mariano
to say when's the last I don't remember the last time though.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Yes, we've been a little bit more than a little bit.
Ron OakleyChair
You don't
Unidentified speakerVoice A
see them very often. Yeah. They're not often.
Ron OakleyChair
So let me ask you how
Unidentified speakerVoice A
it's
Ron OakleyChair
this is public comment. Is anyone in the audience here to speak to this item?
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
Yeah, good
Unidentified speakerVoice A
question.
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
So the street sign is white, Ainsley? Sorry? Would the street sign be white on this road?
Unidentified speakerVoice A
If sorry, uh
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
Is the street sign white or green?
Unidentified speakerVoice A
I don't remember. But it would be would that be in the white background?
Ron OakleyChair
It would be the white one. Okay. Okay, let's take public public comment first.
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
Mr.
Ron OakleyChair
Chairman,
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
there is
Ron OakleyChair
no one
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
signed up um in
Ron OakleyChair
person. The person in the audience here is that's coming forward. And
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
I just want to put on the record there's no one on WebEx for this item.
Ron OakleyChair
Nobody on WebEx, okay.
Carl Dornell
My name is Carl Dornell. Uh lived here in Pasco County for the last uh Moved here in nineteen seventy eight. Oh. Hi, Jack. Uh first of all I wanna thank you. I really wanna thank y'all because We're we're we're Every time people try to find faults with you You're judged with one fault that you do right you one thing you do wrong They
don't consider how many things you do right. You know, so I appreciate it. Uh my name is Carl Darnell and I'm and I'm eighty one years old. and I live on McDonald and I've maintained the street all of these years. and I got cancer now and it's kinda hard for me to get anything done. We have a hole in the street. This lady and and I are the only two on the street that stay there for the year round. The rest of the street is good except these two potholes.
And and so then this guy, he comes along and he thinks it's supposed to be maintained by the county, but it's a private street. Uh one time I got a hundred dollars from somebody for doing the street. So uh I mean but it it's something to where that th the holes will be fixed in the street because I fix a lot of holes in the county streets, you know, coming into the house. I I patch potholes, been patching potholes for years. Uh
but i it just uh there's we're the only two that live there all year round on the streets. There's only six lots on the streets. We still need your e
Ron OakleyChair
exact address.
Carl Dornell
Uh the military messed up my hearing, it's hard.
Ron OakleyChair
Your exact address.
Carl Dornell
What?
Shirley Scholl
Your address.
Carl Dornell
Oh. [address removed]. I'm all the way at the end of the street.
Jack Mariano
Mr. Chairman, is is the gentleman for or against the P VAS?
Ron OakleyChair
Well I I'm not
Jack Mariano
saying
Ron OakleyChair
he's for the commission, but
Jack Mariano
live there full time, that's what I was wondering.
Carl Dornell
Oh, I d I wanna maintain my own street.
Jack Mariano
Because um Okay, so you d you're not in a
Carl Dornell
fellow we do a better job. We d the only reason why this is this way, what you see on there now is because that I I've had the cancer and what have you and because of Of the garbage truck. He he wants to put his brakes on there.
But this guy here you can't blame him because he just comes down, you know, he just winters here and he thought that uh the county's supposed to take care of the uh of the uh street, you know.
Ron OakleyChair
Right.
Carl Dornell
So
Ron OakleyChair
Okay.
Carl Dornell
So th I guess that's all I got to say, but thank you all.
Ron OakleyChair
Thank you. Okay. Yes, sir. Thank you. I started saying are you gonna speak? Name and address for the clerk.
Shirley Scholl
My name is Shirley Scholl and I live at [address removed]. Um
We don't desire to have the county fix this pothole. I've come together with four of our neighbors. Uh we do have new neighbors on the corner that just recently moved in and we haven't been able to get in touch with them because they went on a vacation as soon as they moved in. We are going to have the eighteen by thirty area professionally fixed ourselves. And so we don't want our taxes to go up and it to become a public street.
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
And that's all I have to say. Wait, what does that mean to public become a public street?
Shirley Scholl
Well, I mean if you are to fix our street, does that make it public? Oh Ainsley says yes. Oh, but it's already public.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
It's
Shirley Scholl
already public. It's already public? When did it become public?
Unidentified speakerVoice B
It is what what Ainsley said to the commission is this is a type B road. It shouldn't be we we'd be having a whole different debate if this was a private street.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Okay. It's We don't maintain it. That's what we're
doing.
Ainsley, I'm sorry. No, the mic. But if the PVAS is a little bit more than a little bit of ainsley at the mic. We'll do the maintainment.
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
Ainsley, you gotta be at the mic. Oh, I'm not sure.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
So it's currently non county maintained. If the PVAS goes through, is passed and we fix the road, it becomes county maintained after the project is done.
Shirley Scholl
So we are objecting to that.
Jack Mariano
Mr. Chairman M and I know tippling I don't know if do you know about much about this, Commissioner Oakley about the road? Yeah. Yeah. Oh okay. I just wanna I I'm just checking because It there was a three-three vote, mm-hmm, but the only two people that s are stating that they actually live full time on the street voted no. So I don't I'm trying to figure out who these other people are.
Shirley Scholl
Snowbirds.
Okay. Okay, go ahead. Oh there's an Airbnb on the M.
And then um I believe three empty lots. Which are for sale, so they won't be taking on the tax problem that we will. No,
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
y yeah they would. It goes with the lot.
Shirley Scholl
Right, but the people that buy their lot will take that on. We are permanent residents. So Mr.
Christina Fitzpatrick
Chairman Mariano
End of the road? You and the other gentleman live at the end?
Shirley Scholl
Right next door to each other.
Christina Fitzpatrick
So the people that are voting for it don't even access this part of the road. Um
Shirley Scholl
the the area they're showing is in front of a house that was just recently bought. And they were unaware of this, so um Ainsley and Stephanie sent them out information. In the meantime I learned from our neighbor who petitioned for this that um they went on a two week vacation so they never received this paperwork. on what's going on.
Ron OakleyChair
Who petitioned?
Shirley Scholl
Um our snowbird Fred Frank Weber.
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
So I'm I'm typically, especially fifty fifty, typically a yes on these. Uh And I I appreciate you coming here and my fellow commissioners may feel differently. But I I do have a concern. Uh is that your husband?
Shirley Scholl
No.
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
Oh the other gentleman? Oh your neighbor. That's my neighbor. And he's the one fixing the potholes? Your
Shirley Scholl
neighbor?
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
He he
Shirley Scholl
has that I'm not history he had done that, but it's been neglected. And Frank was Frank the petitioner was recently here on a visit, and we've spoken and we've talked about that.
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
I don't know how you can professionally fix that without that's just your whole street's falling apart. A an asphalt company. That might Yeah, that's a pothole that pop was
Shirley Scholl
gonna pop out every time it rains. A big one. I do understand that, but the picture makes it a lot bigger than it is.
Carl Dornell
I was a gen I was general contractor for over thirty years, so I can fix that.
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
So then you you see the road has failed and it's cracked all over. So it's not just a hole, it's gonna be the whole section of road. So if I I am gonna be for the PVAS, I'll just say I put it in the right-of-way.
Carl Dornell
It was worse than this, okay? And I can take you all over the county and show you places that's worse than our street. I they're
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
in my
Carl Dornell
reason that it's the way it is is because I got the cancer, okay? And and so I've been fighting that like crazy. But uh Uh I'll make sure that uh the the pothole is fixed myself. I've always maintained it. Okay. So
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
so for me I'm sorry, but for me that's bigger than a pothole. That's that's a failure of a whole section of street. It's not it's not a potholes. Back and
Carl Dornell
forth. Give me thirty days, it'll be done.
Shirley Scholl
Mr. Chairman Mariano. Well are you are you saying that it can't be repaired by a professional company if we were to hire one?
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
I think I think we are I think your three minutes are gone and
Shirley Scholl
Oh
Jack Mariano
Mr.
Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair
We're at the board discussion now.
Jack Mariano
Thank you. I'd like to continue this for sixty days. We we have to run through water to get there.
Shirley Scholl
Oh thank you. Thank you. Thanks.
Ron OakleyChair
Thank you for your comments. Can you explain that to the people?
Jack Mariano
Yes. Sir, we're we're gonna continue at sixty days, so we're gonna see how you do in thirty days and we'll take a look at it.
Ron OakleyChair
Thank you.
Commissioner Yeager.
County Administrator
Would you like it in November we only have one meeting and I think that's in Dade City and the Mr. Continue it to the next
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Newport Ritchie meeting at one thirty or soon thereafter is
County Administrator
Yeah in the date the the December meeting I believe is in Newport Ritchie. So that's the target date.
Jack Mariano
Okay, so what December date is that?
County Administrator
Seven.
Jack Mariano
So I'm going to continue December seventh. Newport. Newport Richard. Second
Jack Mariano
on that.
Ron OakleyChair
Motion and a second to continue this to December seventh. All those in favor say aye.
Christina Fitzpatrick
Aye.
Ron OakleyChair
All opposed like sign. Motion passed. Okay. Now we'll move on to P eighty three.

PW-21-0092

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