Zoning Amendment (Regular) – Steven Siller Tunnel to Tower/Parkway Boulevard– Change in Zoning from a PUD Planned Unit Development to a R-4 High Density Residential District – Southcentral Pasco County – on the South Side of Parkway Boulevard, Approximately .5 Miles East of Ehren Cutoff – Containing Approximately 75.15 Acres (PC: 4/22/21, 1:30 p.m.; NPR Hybrid Virtual Meeting, BCC: 5/18/21, 1:30 p.m.; NPR Hybrid Virtual Meeting)

1:20:52Okay, now we'll move on to item P five and we have uh Liam Devine who will be presenting that item and I will bring up the PowerPoint.

1:21:02All right.

1:21:13Liam Divine, Planning and Development, Agenda Item D5, Zoning Amendment, PDD 21752A. Stephen Stiller, Tunnel to Tower slash Parkway Boulevard is a rezoning from a PUD Plant Unit Development District to an R-4 high density residential district.

1:21:35The subject site is located on the south side of Parkway Boulevard, approximately a half a mile east of Aaron Cutoff.

1:21:44The site is currently undeveloped and contains approximately seventy five point one five acres. The applicant proposes to develop the site in conformance with the R-4 high density residential district standards. The property owner wishes to develop the site as a community for the foundation's three programs, the Gold Star Family Program Home Program, the Smart Home Program, and the Fallen First Responders Home Program.

1:22:13The surrounding area is characterized by residential development. The subject area has future land use classification, res 3 residential three dwelling units per acre, and res six residential six dwelling units per acre under the comprehensive plan.

1:22:30The surrounding zoning to the north and east is PUD Plan Unit Development, and to the south and west is MPUD Master Plan Unit Development and PUD Plan Unit Development.

1:22:46The surrounding future lane use to the north and east is Res 3, and to the south and west is Res III and Res VI.

1:22:57This aerial is showing the access to the site. I will also like to mention to the north is Panthers Run community and to the south is Dupree Lakes community.

1:23:09And this is coming to the board um for recommendation for approval.

1:23:15All right.

1:23:19Is the applicant present?

1:23:22The applicant is virtually present. We have um CD Terrapani um here. I do want to mention on this item um the uh You have granted a total uh ten ten minutes of total time. Um I do have some

1:23:43Let's see, just make sure. No, I there was some receive and file items and um we're we're gonna check and see if there's anyone signed up on WebEx. We have one person who's on WebEx and one person who's outside to speak on on the item.

1:23:58Okay. But Ms. Ms. Terrapani, is your question ten minutes?

1:24:03eight people outside of sorry at at the kiosk on this item.

1:24:11All right.

1:24:15So is the applicant present and would they like to speak?

1:24:21Yes, sir.

1:24:25Mr Panny, would you like to speak?

1:24:28Please.

1:24:29Yes, thank you. There you go. I think I hear you now.

1:24:34I think I do.

1:24:42Can you hear me?

1:24:43Nope.

1:24:46That is hair side.

1:24:47Okay. Could you could you just speak a sentence so I know we know that we can hear you?

1:24:54She's muted.

1:25:03Yeah, I think you've been reading yourself, Cindy.

1:25:06Can you hear me now?

1:25:07Yes.

1:25:13No

1:25:13Mr. Chairman Mariano.

1:25:16You keep cutting out.

1:25:20Yeah, so um Cindy uh Denise Hernandez, let us handle the muting and unmuting. So we're gonna completely unmute you, so don't unmute yourself, because then you're gonna mute yourself after.

1:25:36You're officially unmuted.

1:25:42Uh

1:25:42Mr. Chairman and members, can you hear me now?

1:25:45We can. Don't touch anything.

1:25:49I won't. I'm following Denise's instructions.

1:25:53Okay.

1:25:54Sorry about about that.

1:25:56That's what I do all the time.

1:25:57Good afternoon. I'm Cindy Terrapani with Terra. Absolutely. With Terra Penny Plan strategies, I am the applicant to represent I represent the Stephen Silver Tunnel Tunnel to Towers Foundation, who is both the applicant and the property owner on the rezoning. The current zoning on this site is PUD in that district that the county repealed in 2005. And since the site didn't have any development approvals under the PUD prior to the repeal, the staff advised us we need to rezone in order to build the single-family neighborhood that Tunnel to Towers wishes

1:26:27to build. I'd like to tell you a little bit about Tunnelton Towers. You may have seen their ads on TV. They were founded twenty years ago by Frank Silver in honor of his brother Stephen, who lost his life working and helping others at the tragedy at the World Trade Center on 9-11. Since the foundation's founding twenty Twenty years ago, they have provided mortgage-free homes to the families of three hundred and seventy catastrophically injured veterans and surviving spouses of fallen first responders. While the Foundation's previous efforts were focused on individual homes

1:26:58and paying off existing mortgages in various parts of the United States, This is the first of the foundation's project to develop an entire neighborhood devoted exclusively to injured veterans and surviving spouses. And how fortunate we are that the foundation selected Pasco County as a location for the first neighborhood in the United States created to serve these veterans and first responders families. If approved, the zone site would create a maximum of one hundred and fifteen homes on seventy four acres. There

1:27:28will be two lot sizes, both consistent with the R Four zoning district. The hundred-foot-wide lots are intended for the homes for the injured veterans, while the sixty-foot-wide lots are intended for the surviving spouses with small children. The proposed lot sizes have been carefully selected to not overburden these homeowners with excessive maintenance. The site is extremely appropriate for residential development since Pineview Elementary and Pineview Middle Schools are in close proximity to the site south on Parkway Boulevard. As

1:28:00the staff mentioned, the site is designated R3 on the comprehensive plan, and our proposed development is less than the three units per acre, and therefore we're consistent with the comp plan. Properties to the north and west and east are also designated res three.

1:28:16So the Seth Weightman Seth Weight has the higher res six plan category. But just to be clear, we are not asking for a plan amendment. We're not asking to increase the density.

1:28:26There are a total of twenty six acres of class two and three wetlands on the site. of which all will be preserved except for a very small area to allow the construction of an interior road connecting two sections of the neighborhood. The rezoning site has front and only Parkway Boulevard, which runs along the northern edge. The development will be accessed via two entrances on Parkway Boulevard. Based on a time-phasing study approved by the county, Parkway Boulevard is operating at an acceptable level of service, and the project will

1:28:56not have a negative effect on that level of service. Also based on the study, the foundation will build a northbound left turn lane into the project of the main entrance. This left turn lane will be built by the foundation at its sole expense. The development will contain a community center and play area for the neighbor residents that will exceed the requirements of the county's neighborhood parks requirements. The rezoning site is in urbanizing central Pasco County and it's close to both State Roth M41

1:29:27Land O' Lakes Boulevard. For many years, residential development has been moving north and east from those two corridors and filled in virtually all the land in that area. Everything except for this site and one other large property are the only two remaining undeveloped sites in this area. It's important to note that the reason site was previously part of the Lake Pad Pines DRI. That DRI had 3,400 acres and was approved for almost 9,8800 residential units as well as retail,

1:29:57office, and industrial. The master plan on the DRI indicated this rezoning will be single family residential, which is exactly what we're proposing today. The Panther Run subdivision to the west of the rezoning site was also in the DRI and also intended for single-family use, which is how it has developed.

1:30:16We have reached out to the residents in Panther Run who are our neighbors to the west, multiple telephone calls with individual residents, as well as a conference call with our entire team and the residents. We've confirmed to Pantheron that we will install a six-foot solid fence along the common borders of our neighborhoods. And we're committed to this fencing, even though the code doesn't require any buffering or fencing, because the two land uses are exactly the same, single family detached homes. It's also important to note that the pos density on the rezoning

1:30:47site is very similar to surrounding developments. The proposed gross density on the rezoning side is 1.54 units an acre, more or less one and a half units an acre. The density on Panther Run subdivision to the west of us is 1.47 units per acre. Generally again, about one and a half units an acre. DuPe Lakes to our south is also developed with single-family homes, and their overall density is 1.46, again, just about one and a half units per acre. Clearly,

1:31:18our project proposes a density that is extremely similar to the two density belt in proximity to it. If the rezoning is approved, the Foundation has also confirmed that they will keep the Panther Run residents informed of the status of the project as development proceeds, and they are strongly committed to being good neighbors. Our application package today and our presentation have demonstrated this rezoning is compatible with surrounding area. It has all the public services and utilities available to it. Okay. It will not negatively

1:31:48impact surrounding neighborhoods. It will meet all of the site development standards as we go through that process. It's consistent with the comp plan and it complies with all the zoning criteria that you have for rezoning. Based on our compliance with code, we respectfully request your approval. With me today are senior staff members from the Tunnel to Towers Foundation, our civil engineer Ed Mazer, and our transportation engineer Bill Oliver. They'll be happy to answer your questions when we get to that portion of the agenda. But right now I'd like to turn the presentation over

1:32:18to Matt Mahoney, Vice President for Tunnel to Towers, for a few comments. Thank you so much.

1:32:24Thank you.

1:32:27Pop.

1:32:33Can Matt Mahoney please be unmuted so you can speak?

1:32:43Mr. Mahoney is unmuted, but I believe he may be having some connection issues.

1:32:49Mr. Mandis, can Matt Mahoney please be unmuted so he can make a few comments?

1:32:58Cynthia, he's having some trouble connecting.

1:33:06I cannot.

1:33:21Cynthia, we can't unmute him.

1:33:23Yeah.

1:33:25Can you hear me?

1:33:27Does he need to do it? Yeah, so here c does he need to do it

1:33:31himself? His uh video keeps going in and out, so

1:33:35So

1:33:36He can try to do it himself.

1:33:42I'll just ask Matt to try one more time and then if not we can move on and um save his comments for when you have questions. Sure.

1:33:53Here he is.

1:33:55Hi, can

1:33:56you guys hear me now? Yeah.

1:33:58There you go.

1:34:00Thank you for your patience. We're having trouble with one of the other connections. My name is Matthew Mahoney, I'm executive vice president of the Stephen Siller Tunnel to Towers Foundation. I just want to first of all thank you, Mr. Chairman, and the rest of the commissioners and the staff. For allowing us to speak. We're extraordinarily happy to be in Pasco County. As a matter of fact, in twenty nineteen. We built a smart home just up the road. Uh for one of our uh Smart home recipients. Or Uh recipients are all gifted these homes. These are mortgage-free homes to each and every one of them. It'll

1:34:31consist as Cindy's mentioned before. Of catastrophically wounded veterans. These are veterans that have come back from the war serving our country who are missing multiple appendages. Um or severely burned. And they'll move in with their families. Each one of these families consists of small children. Children have to be under the age of 16, at least one member of the family, in order for them to qualify for the program. Likewise with our fallen first responders and with our Gold Star families, these are widows with small children that are moving into these communities. And

1:35:01we find that the idea of putting these wonderful families together in a community where they have shared experiences, where they live, learn, and love. uh and grow from each other every single day. It's just a remarkable thing. We're excited to be here. We have the financial wherewithal to do this. The land was donated to us. Our most recent 990 will show over $98 million in revenue. Before that was about $45 million in revenue the year

1:35:32prior. We're in a strong financial situation to move forward with this project. We commit to being good neighbors to our fellow residents. Well, I'm a homeowner myself. I know what it's like to have someone do construction behind your home. sensitive to that. So we want to do all we can today be good neighbors and I think part of that is having an open dialogue throughout the process and of course once the development's finished. So we're looking forward to coming down to Pasco County, to developing this

1:36:02community, to bringing our wonderful home recipients who have a tremendous love of community and country to Pasco County, and we look forward to working with this board and the rest of the community moving forward.

1:36:15Thank you very much. Any questions?

1:36:19All right.

1:36:22Move along then. Thank you very much for your presentation. Thank you.

1:36:29Did you want to move on to the WebEx person or the kiosk individuals?

1:36:34Uh are we talking about pe uh people from the public that are

1:36:38We have eight eight at least eight people

1:36:40uh

1:36:41to speak on this?

1:36:41Let's go with the WebEx.

1:36:49So on this one we have uh Julie Petrillo.

1:36:53Okay. And she's been sworn.

1:36:59Ms. Petrillo, if you would provide your name and address for the record and whether you've been sworn, please.

1:37:06This is Julie Petrillo, [address removed]. Yes, I've been sworn.

1:37:15All right. Go ahead, Julie.

1:37:19So um I've lived in Land O' Lakes for about 20 years. So I've seen a lot of changes and development happen over this time and I think some of them have been very beneficial and Um, you know, I think that the Tunnel to Towers mission sounds great and I fully support building housing for veterans and their families. But I'm I'm a little concerned about the overdevelopment in this area. Um so specifically the strain

1:37:49of the traffic on our roads and at the intersection of Aaron and 41. Um sure you know that gets very congested from time to time. And it's also my understanding that this development would border or it's in close proximity to a nature preserve. So I'm definitely concerned about the impact on our environment. So I just want you to consider carefully those concerns and whether the development should be in this place and whether it's

1:38:19going to benefit our community or might maybe negatively impact it.

1:38:25Okay. Thank you very much.

1:38:32So we'll now take comments from the uh let me double check to make sure that Ms. Nicole Miller is not on. Okay, Ms. Nicole Miller's not on. So we will take comments from the kiosk, please.

1:38:45As each participant comes up with would you please state your name and address for the record and whether you've been sworn?

1:39:03Good afternoon. My name is Shelby Carrero and I live at [address removed] and I have been sworn in.

1:39:13Um, my property on Pau Place is adjacent to the 75.15 acres the applicant is requesting to have rezoned to R4 high density. Looking at the applicant's conceptual plan, there are 115 homes proposed for this property. Roughly twenty one of those homes will directly affect Six of our homes in Panther Run. My property alone will have about three homes butted up to my backyard. Panther

1:39:43Run consists of seventeen single-family homes, with lot sizes ranging from half acre lots to acre lots. Many, if not all, the properties in Panther Run have outbuildings apart from our main residence. My husband and I grew up in Land Lakes and decided this is where we wanted to raise our children. We lived on a conservation lot in Conerton for many years, and while we enjoyed living there, it was a no-brainer to move when we became aware that our current residence was coming

1:40:13up for sale. Panther Run is a desirable neighborhood to live in due to its large lot sizes, And Um semi country living. We appreciate the quietness, privacy and open sky, not to mention the wildlife. My family enjoys seeing gopher tortoises. Frequent our neighborhood. And they will move from our properties to the applicant's property. We regularly see deer, hawks, Sand hill cranes, squirrels. We can hear packs

1:40:43of coyotes howling at night. I mentioned some of these species because this is a depiction of the natural environment that surrounds our community. And while we knew there was a possibility this project or this property could be developed one day, we did not anticipate it would be a high density neighborhood. According to the applicant's conceptual plan, out of the 115 proposed units, there will be Um I'm sorry. Out of the hundred and fifteen

1:41:14proposed units A hundred and five will be sixty by a hundred foot lots. These lots are planned to have one or two-story homes built on them. My family could potentially have not one, but three two-story homes with full view of my backyard as well as a portion of the interior of my home. Our homes should be where there is a reasonable expectation of privacy. I'm sure the heroes of our country and their families also have a reasonable expectation of privacy when

1:41:44they move into their homes. I highly respect what the Foundation does and their mission to honor our military and first responders, and I wish there was more organizations like them out there. We want our nation's heroes and their families to enjoy living in Land O' Lakes as much as we do. I can't think of better neighbors to have than the ones that the foundation serves. While we are in no way trying to stop the development of this property, we do however oppose the applicant's request for R4 high

1:42:14density. The rezoning site is designated as Residential Three on Pasco County's future land use map. And this zoning is more compatible with Panther Run and the surrounding area.

1:42:27Okay. Time is a good thing.

1:42:31Excuse me. We have to limit your time to three minutes. Thank you.

1:42:37All right, who's next?

1:42:38Next person please. Name and address for the record.

1:42:45Okay, name and address for the first time. My name

1:42:47is Pimberly Armithoff. I work at I mean I live at [address removed], and I have been sworn in. I want to thank you for allowing me to speak today on the proposal of the four R high density subdivision on Parkway Boulevard. That butts up to my subdivision. Um tunnel of towers, I agree that are a remarkable organization to help lots of people, but I think that they can do this with a um lower density housing. I have lived in Panther Run for seventeen

1:43:17years and my concern as with others is the growth of the small city. It's getting out of control. I live off of a two-lane highway, a two-lane road on Ur on Parkway Boulevard. It goes into a two-lane another road of Urran Cutoff. And then if you go to the other direction, it goes to another two-lane road on De Collier Parkway.

1:43:40It is already, it was already a high traffic area with deprecies lakes going in on Ur and Cutoff. Now they've also developed another community across the street on Urin and Parkway called Pristine Lake. Now they want to put another subdivision on Parkway. And two miles down the road on Erin Cutoff, they want to put 2,000 homes. Where are all these people gonna go? Where are we gonna drive? I understand that progress uh needs to happen, but houses is not necessarily the

1:44:10progress that we're looking for. It can cause more problems like sewers and water and traffic, also to mention the sinkholes and flooding. I know that Pasco County and Hernande County have the highest read of sinkholes because of all the construction that's going on. In the last ten ten years we have a lot of um subdivisions going up. Now let me talk about privacy. I have lived with with no one behind me for 17 years, and I all know that there was a possibility of somebody living behind me, but I didn't realize

1:44:40they were going to be literally on top of me. I understand that this agency is trying to put help as many people as they can. But two and a half houses behind me is not fair. The lot sizes are way too small in comparison to my lot size. I have lived with animals and nature behind me and now all my trees will be taken down. Trees also provide a sense of privacy. They may put a fence up and if they do that would be great, but a six-foot

1:45:11fence isn't tall enough. I propose an eight foot set of fence. I also propose that they keep more trees and also provide extra trees for privacy for not just me, but also the new residents. One last thing about privacy is that maybe they can think about also moving the houses closer to the middle of the property versus the 15 feet of the buffer that they have. Most of these houses are going to be a two-story home looking down into my house. So not only like Shelby

1:45:41mentioned, not one, but possibly three two-story houses will be behind my home. Thank you for allowing me to voice my opinion. I hope that you think about my concerns before you make it a reality. Thank you.

1:45:53Thank you.

1:46:03Please state your name and address, please, and have you been sworn?

1:46:09My name is Sabrina Fernandez. I reside at [address removed], and I have been sworn in. Thank you for your time. Um, I support the Tower Temo project, and as a matter of fact, I work in law enforcement myself. So I can really appreciate having those individuals next to us. I feel that rezoning this property, however, to a high density residential district will not only have a negative impact on the surrounding communities, but it will also negatively affect the quality of life of the families that are receiving the homes.

1:46:40I believe Ms. Chairpani has misrepresented the homes per acre in her discussion. If it's the same as the surrounding properties, then why does it need to be uh rezoning to a R four high density. And if you could put make that you know, investigation yourself, I would greatly appreciate that. Uh for the zoning narrative Um response number one to the existing land use pattern, the answer to that response in the um And the provided narrative says no.

1:47:10And I agree. The rezoning is not consistent with the existing land use pattern, as pointed out in the table on page three of that narrative. The surrounding land uses are either a residential three or Medium density or residential six, which is a maximum of three dwelling units per acre. And again, I take you back to what Ms. Tirapani said about the acreage. Most of that land, a lot of that actually, is on swampland. I don't believe that the intent of the three homes per acre should take into consideration undeveloped

1:47:40land. Um and then Let me tell you let me say this, I do ask the board to vote no to this rezoning. And I do appeal to the developer to create quality properties for the families receiving these donated homes by rezoning this to a residential six developer. In response number five on the narrative, will the proposed change adversely affect living conditions in the immediate and surrounding neighborhoods? The answer is yes. Three to four homes behind R1 with little to no backyard property will add noise, such as barking

1:48:11dogs, loud music, and any Yeah. uh that you can think of and it will most certainly affect our quality of supply.

1:48:19In the response to number eight, the p will the proposed change result in lower property values in adjacent areas? These homes will be smaller per square foot. And it will not be of comparable value. And a response number eighteen is the proposed zoning change consistent with the goals, objectives, and policies set forth in the adopted comprehensive plan. The answer is no and I agree. So the answer on the petition is no and I agree. Because conservation elements. The only conservation noted in the plants for wetlands. Well what about the habitat of the wildlife that need dry land? The impact of the listed species

1:48:49most certainly applies to this rezoning competition because there are in fact many gopher tortoises that reside on that property. He protects a little to no land for those gofort tortoises living on the property. No. Should be looked at. The effects um I have a little guy myself, a little tortoise that lives in my yard. And there are many gophort tortoises that cohabitate in our Because we give them the product. So please let's make this new community a success for by providing them. I probably think. Level of quality of life

1:49:20at the end of the easement. Thank you very much.

1:49:24Thank you.

1:49:29Hi, how are you guys doing today?

1:49:31Good.

1:49:35Yes, sir. My name is Joanne Robinson and I reside at [address removed]. First I'd like to thank the committee for taking the time to listen to our concerns. The applicant is asking for a high density housing. It doesn't really seem to fit in very well in this area. There are currently many large neighborhoods around, but they are all separated with barriers and buffers, and I don't see why this one should be any different. I asked the Planning Commission to consider what kind of continuity we should try to keep among

1:50:05neighborhoods to in order to avoid a has-happer look. The proposal that has been sent to us is very different from what the application and would have a tremendous change on the look of Panther Run. This proposal alone put 10 houses. On my property alone with just a six foot fence, that that doesn't seem

1:50:28Yeah.

1:50:29Anyway. We appreciate the mission of the organization and want to see them accomplish their goals. But there should be some thought to how it will affect the neighboring areas precisely on the borders. I'm sure that the R3 zoning would be more than adequate and could ease some of the transition areas between the neighborhoods they will be next to. I asked the planning board to consider these points before changing featured land to six designation. Thank you.

1:51:02What

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1:51:02you got?

1:51:05Yeah.

1:51:07Yeah.

1:51:09Hello, I'm Tim Robinson from [address removed] and I have been sworn in.

1:51:16I'd like to thank the committee for taking the time to listen to our comments. I also like them to ask ask them to understand that this is a zoning issue with us. It's not a complaint against the organization or the good that it does. I feel it's important that we separate them. The application Use the two surrounding neighborhoods as a comparison to what they'd like to build.

1:51:37which is similar, and the other being Panther Rum, which is not. The applicant proposes to put homes abutting both neighborhoods, but a majority would behind or near Paw Place in Panther Run. Do pre-lakes have lot sizes that will be comparable to what the applicant is proposing, no matter what they say about density. However, Pantheron could not be more different. The applicant is asking for a high density housing. which would back up to a portion of a neighborhood that has half acre and larger lots. This would put as many as ten

1:52:07homes, for the latest conceptual drawing, directly behind houses without any sort of buffer. It doesn't seem to fit in with the area and it changes the entire dynamic outcome. It also seems to fly in the face of some of the county guidelines. Between the site and adjacent props properties for the MPUD and site design standards. I know this is R400 MPUD, but they say compatibility may be achieved through the design respects. Through design that respects the context of the adjacent uses. Applicants must demonstrate through lot sizes,

1:52:37buffer between uses, et cetera, et cetera. Really like to see some more of that and some consideration on the board. This part of the code resonates with me is when we initially contacted the planner on this project. They told us they weren't required to have any fencing or buffers and that we're lucky that we're having single-family homes behind us and not multifamily homes or apartments. This was rather disconcerting to hear. But the organization has since date they would be willing to put up a fence in some landscapes.

1:53:07But that not address anything having to do with the land size land the lot sizes on the periphery. It doesn't seem to me that the high density housing is compatible with the larger lots of our neighborhood has. Specifically on the border. I also have a major concern which would have some severe negative effects on the Panther Run and the new project. Part of me moving in when the pre lakes was put in. There was a mistake made in the site work that caused flooding and Panda Run. The property in question is approximately 36% wetland

1:53:37area and there are several low-lying areas that feed these wetlands. And my three I've been there, I've seen the summer rains, turn the low-lying areas into perpetually wet areas, and when we have large rain events, it it they turn them into lakes and ponds that can last for months at a time. This applicant is proposing putting as many houses as possible in this area, thus cutting out a lot of the natural drainage. As we all know, we've been getting more frequent storms that are dumping ever larger amounts of rain and increasing the density of housing can have a negative effect. I

1:54:08also know that the best laid plants are just that, plants. With these things being said, I would like to ask the committee to look at this issue and consider if it's wise to take an area that's more rural and better suited to a medium density housing. And increase it to another R for Zonic. The ramifications may not be seen for a year or two, but ten years down the road when the planners engineer. It's our problem. Thank you for your time.

1:54:31Thank you. We got the parents.

1:54:42Joe Clayton, [address removed], and I have them sworn in. Good afternoon. When my wife and I first moved to Pasco County, Lando Lakes in 2005, we were sold on the idea that it was marked as a quiet suburb with country charm. Since then, we have witnessed a monster taking over from Land O' Lakes Boulevard. All the way to Little Road on 54, multiple housing

1:55:12developments, too many apartment complexes, and traffic that is destroying Pasco County. I remember when I used to take our children horseback riding at Starkey Ranch. It's too late for fifty four, but it's not too late for Land O' Lakes. Would you rather your legacy be quiet suburb with country charm instead of overdeveloped? I am a homeowner adjacent to

1:55:43the property that we are discussing today. First, although a traffic study was completed on Parkway Boulevard, an Urwin cut off in December 2020. I do believe that these results do not take the numerous amounts of drivers not using those roads due to many people working from home because of the COVID pandemic. The fact that the schools located just two miles away

1:56:13were out for Christmas break. And the multi, the new multi-home developments that are being built. on north of Parkway, an Irving Cutoff We'll add to the numbers. including the new zoning of Conerton that was just passed. All of these combined leads me to believe that the numbers will change, showing a higher traffic count. I would like to suggest

1:56:43that before any new development are permitted that the county upgrade the roads and grounds, infrastructures To include widening of urban cutoff and parkway, to include traffic lights, sidewalk and bike paths. I am all for helping the vets, first responders, and gold star families. Some of us paid the ultimate price. I myself

1:57:15Retired after twenty-six years of the armed forces. Saying that I do not think that they deserve I do think that they deserve more than a thousand square foot home with zero property lines. Is that how we repay our veterans, our first responders, and our gold star families? I think we owe them more than an R four high density place to call home. I have a hard

1:57:45time believing that 100% of the homes in this development are going to be for these families. If the developer builds ten percent of the home is up the can say that he has accomplished what he has set out to be.

1:58:03Okay, one I respect.

1:58:06Time is up.

1:58:10Okay, next.

1:58:18We need to tell you.

1:58:23Right. Good afternoon. My name's Lee Edwards. I'm a homeowner on Parkway. I actually have a lot that hasn't been discussed that's on the back section of this new proposed development. Um I moved out there in 1985. Oh, I have been swearing it by the way. Uh I moved out there in 1985 because it was very country living. Uh I was one of the first home or land purchasers on Parkway Boulevard out there. It was actually Pines Parkway at the time. Um

1:58:54my wife and I have lived there ever since. Um We have been Blessed to have. a very country living field. Uh Now that being said, uh You know? I totally agree. I I am all for the military. I love what they do. They are great. I will support them in every way I can and I do that as a Scout Master as well. Um

1:59:21But by the time you take into account the amount of wetlands that are in that area, and I know I walked that property for 20 years. uh there's those houses are gonna be shelved on top of one another. And it's gonna look like it because you cannot affect the wetlands in that way. you know, by impacting them. So they're gonna have to build around them. And when you do that, the houses are gonna look like they're right on top of one another. And I agree with my neighbors, I don't necessarily want ten houses behind my house

1:59:51that are two stories that can look in. It's just it's a ridiculous feel. I believe the uh veterans. are owed more than that. A bigger lot, a nicer feel, a more country feel. Um and that doesn't even take into account the fact that this is a wildlife corridor. The animals move through here daily. We have deer, raccoon, squirrel, w every kind of animal you can imagine. The the ground back there is is full of gopher tortoise. It's gopher tortoises

2:00:21everywhere back there. I don't know how they're gonna be able to build without impact on that. That's protected species. Uh I think they're uh they're gonna have a really hard time not disturbing the habitat. I really feel that it's smaller development with houses that are a little further apart. will give everybody a feel of uh of a more relaxed atmosphere. uh the road is already carrying way more traffic than it than it's really designed to do. Um and

2:00:51I've lived there since they widened the road. It didn't used to even be that wide. Um so it's uh at times there are portions of that road that are underwater. because the water has nowhere to go. And uh it's just a it's an ongoing issue. If we shove more traffic on that road It's a it's a closed loop at the end. You have five eighty three, which is a very small road. You have parkway that's a small road that runs up into fifty-four. People are using that as a bypass

2:01:22border now. And he's correct the last gentleman when he said they did that traffic study, they did, but it was at a very off time. Everybody was at home. Nobody was going to work. Schools were out. Yeah. I live there every day and I watch the traffic go by and it's constantly there. Come school time. It's traffic back and forth. Uh time's up. It's hard. I appreciate your time.

2:01:50Thank you very much. Appreciate your coming.

2:01:57Hello, my name is Trina Van Ostran. I live at [address removed]. Um I just I appreciate you listening to us and um I just wanted to say that I have lived in Land O' Lakes for thirty eight years. So I have been out here when it was all orange groves and pastures. And I've been happy to see my area that I love so much. undeveloped and be more na

2:02:28nature oriented. Now it just seems like everywhere I look we're becoming like a bedroom community. We have Every it's like homes and developments everywhere around us, which is absurd. I don't want to end up looking and becoming a new Tampa, which happened in matter of just years. then that's what's gonna end up happening to land or lakes, which I love. Plus then you gotta consider all the wildlife that's

2:02:58not gonna have anywhere to go that we have out there. Uh the wetlands. All those homes. There's no way they can build that many homes with the wetlands and not affect us. I don't want several homes looking down into my property. I already flood. Where that area is, my yard floods when we have heavy rain right now, every year. So what's gonna happen when you build all these homes? I'll be underwater totally,

2:03:29which is not fair to me either. All right. Um Also The other developments that are all around, before you know it, we won't have any land at all anymore. The roads are already overwhelmed that I'm afraid to like even ride my bicycle out there because so I ride in my in my neighborhood because the roads are so narrow. There's no shoulder, there's no place for a bicycle to be able to even ride on these roads

2:03:59on. Parkway or air and cut off. And that we're a thoroughway now. I mean they built you know, Collier and Parkway to go to Aaron Putnam, eliminate some of the traffic on forty one as it is. So it's already a third way. If you add more homes, which the developments that are already scheduled, for there there the roads won't accommodate. They're not wide enough, there's no space. I don't I wouldn't even want to walk on them there

2:04:29so bad right now. So how can you add so many points? If you just narrow it down and and also like my neighbor said There's no way you can put 115 homes in that amount of land with the amount of wetlands that's there and know that every one of those are gonna go to the military, the first responders, and the res surviving spouses. I don't believe it. There's no way that all 115 homes

2:04:59are going to them. Otherwise I cause I have due respect for the military and the first responder. But it's too many homes.

2:05:09Time's up.

2:05:11Yeah,

2:05:14yeah.

2:05:22Anybody else?

2:05:28Is there no one else to speak?

2:05:33That's everyone.

2:05:35All right, thank you very much. All right, uh we're gonna take a little bit of a recess here, a five-minute recess, and come back for the response from the applicant.

2:05:54So everybody has the second floor, right?

2:07:18Mm-hmm.

2:08:26Mm-hmm.

2:09:47Sound is gonna come back in and get picked up by the microphone on the kiosk.

2:10:04Yeah, we're pretty busy.

2:10:09Yeah,

2:10:10start a

2:10:16That's all that one from this morning.

2:10:20Oh I just opened the forest.

2:10:32Did you get Oh my god, I think one that has two blocks. Oh

2:10:40my god. More than

2:10:43square foot.

2:10:46We're doing here.

2:10:52Oh my god.

2:11:15Yeah. Rapper. Yeah.

2:12:40Yeah.

2:12:46Okay, four on four eye.

2:14:20Yeah.

2:14:23Right.

2:15:04Yeah.

2:16:57When this

2:17:19Fortunately this one has a decent paper.

2:17:25It drives me crazy. I don't know what I'm doing sometimes. Yep.

2:17:29I'm gonna I'll go ahead and unmute the room.

2:17:32Yeah, we're set we're set right, Denise?

2:17:34Yeah, we're good.

2:17:35Okay.

2:17:39All right. Let's uh can call the meeting back to order. We'll continue. With the applicant.

2:17:48Mr. Penny? Can you hear us?

2:17:56Cindy Terrapani, Mr. Chairman Mariano.

2:17:58Yep, I hear you.

2:17:59Can you hear me?

2:18:00Yeah. Yeah, go right ahead, Sandy.

2:18:02Great, thank you. Well just for a moment for Yes, sir. Thank you for the time for about I just want Mr. Mahoney to just quickly address the comment that the foundation doesn't have the financial wherewithal or they they're not really going to build all those homes for vets. Um so if you would let him uh speak just for a minute, then I have a just a couple of comments. Thank you so much.

2:18:22Okay. Thank you, Cindy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh just really briefly, all the homes, every single one of them that we're building. We'll go to veterans who are catastrophically injured. We'll go to the spouses of veterans who are killed in action or spouses of our fallen first responders. We've built over 300 and built or paid for over 370 homes already. This year alone we'll do over 130 homes individually throughout the country. The homes when they're gifted go into a trust

2:18:53with that family and the foundation so the homes can't be sold out from underneath them. So if the homes can't be sold in and when uh should a family decide to move out of the development. Those we have right of first refusal to purchase that home so that we can keep the community. the same as it was originally envisioned with fall and first responder families, gold star families, your cash roughly disabled. We're a hundred percent committed to that. These homes will not be sold on the open market. Each and every one of them will be gifted mortgage free to these families.

2:19:22Thank you. All right. Thank you very much for clarifying that. In case anybody had any questions. Thank you,

2:19:27Matt.

2:19:28Yeah, we uh Let me just say that uh I personally I'm sure I can speak for the Board, uh appreciate everything you're doing. To help the veterans. Having been a veteran myself.

2:19:43Go ahead, Miss Terrapani.

2:19:49Sandy?

2:19:51Exactly muted again.

2:19:52Like you're muted again.

2:19:56I haven't touched the button. I've been on strict order orders from D. Now can you hear me?

2:20:01We hear you now. We hear you now.

2:20:05All right, thank you. I'll be really quick really brief. Just a couple of comments. First of all, just to re-emphasize, there is no plan amendment associated with this. The site is res 3. It'll remain res three. Uh the density at one and a half units an acre on the overall site is basically the same density as you have in Paw Place when you calculate it against the overall site and pretty much the same density as Depre Lakes to the south. I think there's a that R4 has a misnomer calling it high density because we all know and recognize the

2:20:35one and a half units an acre is clearly not high density. It's just a leftover term that's in that plan category. Um Second of all, You know, the whole purpose of communities and different lot sizes and different architectural styles is so that people can live in the style of house and the lot size lot and size home that they wish. And so as long as all of those meet the density, then they all can live together. They are the exact same residential style on this property as it is to the west and as it is to the south to pretty lake.

2:21:06The developer, um the the foundation is committing. to do an offense and to adding treats along those borders, although no tree is typically required to use the same land use, but he is committed to do that and he will follow through and do that.

2:21:23We are having any And except for a very small set to build a road, all the rest of the wetlands that are class two and three will be protected and they will have the buffering that's required. Someone mentioned gopher tortoises and yes we do have gopher tortoises on the site. We're required by by law to relocate them. We cannot anything other than that, we must relocate them with approved folks that have the approved specifical from the state to do that. And then finally, I think it's important there's a lot of discussion about traffic.

2:21:53There are absolutely no negative impacts on this project to the to the traffic. And the project is going to pay almost $700,000 in traffic impact fees, which the county can certainly use if they have existing traffic issues that they want to solve. They can certainly use those impact fees to do that. Again, I would respectfully request your approval. This is a great project for Pasco County. It's a great project for veterans and fallen first responders and it's compatible with the neighborhood. Thank you so much.

2:22:20Yes, uh Cindy if I could just ask you a question and I'm sure there's other people on the committee. On the board here that Have a c have questions. But um The two story homes that they they are referring to Are they? I know I their concern is that it it's gonna be right behind the home and there'll be a look over the fence under their property and And uh It it'd be sort of an invasion of privacy. Can you speak to that? Or can that be met mitigated

2:22:50in some way?

2:22:54I'm losing you again.

2:22:56Yeah, you're you're coming up a little here, I think. I think you're asking me.

2:23:03I I think you're out can you hear me?

2:23:07Um I can hear you intermittently. But what I'm asking is Is there any way to mitigate the two story homes looking into the uh property of someone else behind them.

2:23:27I think I'm not sure.

2:23:31Uh I think what you're asking me is if Um, what we could do for privacy along the western edge.

2:23:38Yeah.

2:23:40Can you all hear me?

2:23:41Yes.

2:23:42Okay. So you're talking about the concern that the place residents spoke to, which is basically our our western edge and our northern edge. And again, there we would we are committed to installing the fence and trees that will grow along there to um we'll pick up species that grows quickly. Um the two story homes um are generally on sixty foot lots. We have one and two story models that will be built. So, to restrict us to only one-story homes would be a real restriction

2:24:13to be able to develop the project fully.

2:24:16Okay. Um what other questions do we have from the Daisy?

2:24:21Mr. Chairman, if I if I could first I'd like to echo what the Chairman said, the foundation, having known somebody that's personally personally benefit from the foundation, I appreciate their work and their selection of Pasco. I think it's a a great project in concept. Um school impact. I guess this is more to Chris understanding that we've got Pristine Lakes, we've got Aaron Mills, we've got bunch of other developments in that area. Uh understanding, you know, my kids go to Pineview. I live in that that area generally. Um I

2:24:51didn't hear that's that's one thing I didn't hear addressed at all was potential school impact and school service impact. Sure.

2:24:59And um a hundred and twenty two ohms We'd expect about twenty two elementary, twelve middle Fifteen high school students. So not a huge impact. Um Pine View Middle are running about capacity, so they're not overrun. Um And then Land O' Lakes High is a little bit over, but we're building a new six through twelve school in in the northern Land O' Lakes that we're we think is gonna draw some students

2:25:29in, so we're not overly concerned with this particular project on school impact. On school impact.

2:25:36Okay. What what's the time just out of curiosity for Connerton and the the middle school up there and the

2:25:41uh Um we're not sure about the middle school there because we're again we're building this six through twelve project school in um Angeline. Okay. And so that's gonna draw some students from the Pineview Middle, probably Russi Middle. um that area and so we expect that to have an impact but certainly as as we see what that impact is and we see future growth and we we the good news is we have the land already in Conerton. So it'd just be a matter of

2:26:11pulling the trigger when when we think that uh we might need to. So again we think the six through twelve school we're building is gonna have Um S uh pretty good impact on on this area.

2:26:25Okay. And then one comment, having you know frequented parkway, I drive that road quite frequ quite fre frequently, excuse me. Um and I do echo some of the concerns regarding that. It's kind of a racetrack through that area. It's a blind curve coming from the north to the south. into that area, so I'd be concerned about safety. Um I'm happy to hear that there is a dedicated left turn lane that's going to be uh constructed coming north. But I do echo I I think one of the uh one of the uh Folks

2:26:55mentioned that that road floods. It does. It floods by Panther run there which would be a concern too of of uh speed and uh potential flooding during the the summer rains. I experienced that quite frequently driving through that area. So I'd ask you all to consider those um issues in in uh moving forward.

2:27:19Mr. Chairman Mariano.

2:27:21Yeah.

2:27:23Um I just want to remind Planning Commission that this is a rezoning to R four. So Well when you have a cludion rezoning, it's not limited to a particular applicant and So there's been a lot of statements today about the foundations doing this or the foundations doing that. I just want to make sure that we're not going to be able to The Planning Commissioner that's not a legally binding commitment. This is a including rezoning, which means that anybody could develop it in accordance with or four standards. I just want to make sure you're aware of that.

2:27:53Okay, so we can't stipulate it to this developer.

2:27:58Not in an four, not unless they're going to D restrict the property or do an M P U D.

2:28:06Mm.

2:28:09David, I have one applicants have offer deed restrictions to in the past, including rezoning. If if that was a concern of the Planet Commission Mm.

2:28:23Well

2:28:23you do that here.

2:28:25Yeah. I mean I think it would be a concern to some of us maybe that uh That we know that we're And what we're approving is what we think we're approving. It's for uh tunnels to towers to develop this site.

2:28:40And that's n and that would be a deed restriction, is that right? David. If if they are

2:28:47D restriction, but yeah, the applicant would have to offer that up to D restricted so that it would only tunnel for towers.

2:28:56Otherwise if they did not, it could be sold to any developer.

2:29:00Yeah, I think I'm glad you're Glad you said that. Okay. Um

2:29:07let me ask one quick question. Yeah, go ahead, please. Please. Uh yeah, the the applicant's asking for R four And therefore that equal to about a hundred and fifteen homes. David, what if they went down to an R three? How many homes would that be, roughly?

2:29:23I'm not the best person to ask answer that question. That's that's a question for Denise or Liam.

2:29:29And somebody can answer that one, please.

2:29:35Sure. So um and I and I I want to specify um and I I think Cindy touched on this point, which is basically the R f what they're what this applicant is asking for for R4 is just for the purposes of lot size. So they're clustering their development, but at the end of the day they're at 1.54 dwelling units per acre. So if they went to R3, then that would mean lots that are at least 75 feet wide and at least 100 feet deep. So it would the the

2:30:05lot sizes would be larger. The applicant has also stated that while most of the lots are going to be R4, so 60 by 100 lots, so six at least 60 feet wide, at least 100 feet deep, there are several, and I believe I see them at the cul-de-sac on the southeastern portion of the property, that those are 100-foot-wide lots. Is that accurate, Cindy? I believe you stated in that. Yeah.

2:30:34So you do have some wider lots.

2:30:38Okay.

2:30:40But that's that's not the direction I was going. Can I respond

2:30:44to that?

2:30:45Go ahead. I don't want to s over speak over you. The reason I was going to an R three is that one of the things that I picked up was the fact that the it it's the congestion that the individuals who currently live there and therefore it would give the residents some relief from that respect. And also I you know, like some of the folks in here, I also I'm a veteran. In fact I even lived in military housing and uh I never felt that the

2:31:15Okay, let me rephrase this. I always felt like I should have a bigger lot. when I lived in military housing. And what I see right here is basically something along that same line. Well let's see what we can do. These folks are are veterans, they're disabled. That and I have a Little problem with that two story aspect also. But I guess that's not my issue. My issue would be the crowding of the facility. I I that's why I I could go for an R three. Base on our for

2:31:45her. That's how I feel about it. So I think you give more It would give the veteran more land, more s open space. And that's what I always felt like when I had to live in military housing. You never had space, you always had a guy next door to you. I'm sorry, not a guy, but somebody living next door family housing. If you live in the barracks, uh you got fifty, eighty guys living in with you. So I'm looking at the space concept. If these guys were tr

2:32:14And they're disabled. I'm sure that they themselves would prefer more open space for them as an individual if they had to live i if they lived in this Project. this housing development or whatever term

2:32:30you

2:32:30want to use that's how I feel.

2:32:31Sure. So sir, if I may, the um the larger lots that we have on the site plan are for our disabled veterans and only for the disabled veterans. Those are one story homes. that are tailor-built to suit their specific needs um and their disability. The other homes, the sixty uh foot lot homes, those are for our widows. um of fallen first responders and gold stars. The only veterans that will be on the site property would be in those larger lots.

2:33:02Okay, my argument then would be if I were a widow Ur. than I would like and I had children I would like a little larger lot myself. So I I you know, that's why you know, so that's the argument I would pose. I think everybody should be equal. They all get the same size lot.

2:33:21I appreciate your concern, sir.

2:33:23It c can I respond, Sherman?

2:33:28Can could we can I respond, Mr. Chairman?

2:33:36We continue to have trouble hearing you, Cynthia.

2:33:38All right. Can you hear me now, Mr. Chairman?

2:33:40Yeah.

2:33:41I'm I apologize. Can you hear me now, Mr. Chairman?

2:33:44Yes.

2:33:46Yes, I hear you.

2:33:48Okay. Just really briefly, um the The foundation has been working with both the veterans and the surviving spouses of the fallen responders, and they have a better sense of what those folks want and need in their homes and the size of the properties. And so I would respectfully ask you not to impose what you might like or what I might like in my home, but again, what serves both the veteran and the surviving spouses the best. 7,500 square foot lot is is really starting to get pretty

2:34:18big a lot to maintain. We are going to have a park in within the project with amenities and a clubhouse so that they can use that. So again, we we went through a whole list of the zoning districts to try and find the right size and the right property. Um and so that's why we came down on this size uh property with most of them being sixties and then some of them for the veterans again being one hundreds because those houses tend to be a little larger. So again, respectfully request your approval. Again, there the immediate Best

2:34:49of us is Japru Lakes, which is on 55 foot lots. So there is a variety of lot sizes in this area, and we're right in the middle of the lot sizes, and we're definitely the same density as existing projects.

2:35:02Thank

2:35:03you.

2:35:04Cindy, this is Jamie Girardi and I guess this is more of a a question just directly to you. I mean w if I look at an Again, I'm I'm going to the traffic study and looking at the concept plan and the traffic study, so I don't know and and again with the rezoning here, I don't think you're required to provide a concept plan, but The houses that are adjacent to Panther Run, or the lots that are adjacent to Panther Run, are those the sixty foot lots?

2:35:30Mr. Jardi, for the most part they are. There are two one hundred foot lots in that western run and and one a hundred foot lot along the west edge. Oh excuse me, the north edge adjacent to the on this uh the the northern edge of our property. There's one hundred and then there's two hundreds, two hundred foot lots along the the the north-south section. But also say that um there's a specific reason why we didn't put all the hundred foot lots in one place because we really are We don't want to stigmatize the veterans that

2:36:00will be living in those homes. We want them to have the same opportunity to live in and pick their own lot in their own home in the different parts of the neighborhood. So that's why the hundred foot lots are spread out around the the entire site.

2:36:17Okay. Yeah, I mean again from from my perspective and what I've heard today, the biggest concern seems to be the the compatibility between the user to the west and Panther Run. and and the the lots in this proposed development adjacent to them. Um that's why I asked the question and that's I mean, frankly, that's about the only problem I have with this whole proposal. I mean I I I commend um what's being proposed here in general. The I mean th the thoughtfulness and and the generosity towards the people that so well deserve it. I mean, it is can cannot

2:36:47be thanked enough. but you know, to have a sixty foot lot next to a half acre lot I I tend to struggle with the compatibility factor. I mean it this doesn't have anything to do with the property to the south. It just i it's more the to the west there in that one section. Everywhere else is well, I mean there's there's ponds, there's wetlands, everywhere else is there's a significant buffer except that one section of the whole proposed development.

2:37:14Um Mr. Chairman M I I mean I would echo Jamie's comments that um I'd like to see some bigger lots right just right there um next to that. I mean I'd like to see a little I don't have an issue with any of the other Part of that development. I also wanted to point out I don't think I'm speaking out of turn here, but yeah, I know there was there was concern about environmental, but the same family who donated this property to uh tunnel for towers also donated a significant amount of land to Swift

2:37:44Mud across the street. And so there's been significant addition of land for conservation to switch mud right across the street. So uh that's a that's a win for for this whole area. Yeah.

2:38:02Yeah, I guess just Cindy and I I don't I don't know if there's a way since it's Euclidean zoning here, I don't know if there's a way you could specifically do this, but I mean if if there's ten sixty foot lots on that property, if if you went to six hundred foot lots, I mean th the the net loss is four lots. I don't know if that's a a deal breaker or not, or if there's even a way, Denise, that that can be done. um being Euclidean rezoning like this. So

2:38:27I think David suggested that a deed restriction is always available.

2:38:42Again, the ten larger lots for the veterans in one particular location. If we cluster six of the ten a hundred foot lots along that one section, while I understand that the neighbors think that that would be a good idea for them, it is not a good idea for the project because again it stigmatizes us veterans into one section of the project and it's not going to feel very welcoming or friendly to them. If we have to go to a hundred and four Firty foot watts, which is the same with that the Paw Place has, we're gonna lose ten percent

2:39:13of the lots in our project. Um that's ten percent of the lots of people that will not be able to be served by this development and by the foundation. So I'll due respect. It's single family home next to another single family home. There's no different they're back to back. The backyards are facing each other. It's not a backyard-front yard issue. And we really feel like a single family home next to a single family home. Your own code doesn't require buffering there. And a single family home is the same thing as we're having a

2:39:43three dollars on our slide.

2:39:45Yeah, again I'm not suggesting going to hundred foot lots for the entire development. I was just talking about those ten lots that were adjacent to Panther Run.

2:39:55So to answer Denise's question and Mr. Gerardi's

2:39:57question again the problem is putting all this putting a bunch

2:40:02Cynthia, just hold on a minute. Go ahead and dit David.

2:40:05Okay, so I want to answer the question that was posed by Denise Ferrari. Um There probably there is a way to do that by deed restriction. In other words, I believe the or Lot sizes are minimum lot sizes. So in theory you could require a uh a larger lot size for a particular area. But again, all this would have to be done by deed restriction. that the applicant is willing to to enter into. So What I'm hearing from Ms. Terrapini is the applicant is not willing to

2:40:36strike the property that way. So if that's the case, Really just have to either approve it or

2:40:42deny it.

2:40:45Yeah, and I think the I think the fact that you were only talking about Cindy, I think you're only talking about losing Four lots. Is that what you're talking about, Jamie?

2:40:55Well I mean that just pure numbers. I mean in in that one area. I mean if you have ten sixty foot lots, if you go with six hundred foot lots you you net lose four. I mean I and I again I I I could looking at the plan that I'm looking at and I guess again it's part of the traffic study, but I mean you have one hundred and twenty lots they're proposing and they have looks like two point three acres for for a park site. I mean so they they've gone over and above what's required for the park site. So I don't know that at the end of the day if this is just reworked with that consideration given to the lots adjacent

2:41:25the Panther run if you net lose any lots.

2:41:29Yeah.

2:41:34We have we have Um Mr. Chairman Mariano lots along that uh our western edge immediately adjacent to Paw Place. If we go to the 140 foot lots, which is what the neighbors want, we're gonna lose seven lots. If we go to a hundred, we'll probably lose five or six, um, just because of the math and because we do have a gate at at that western. So i it's a significant reduction to you know to the project. And again, every lot we lose is one less person that we can serve.

2:42:04He I don't think he's suggesting that you move to all hundred foot lots.

2:42:12But if he's suggesting six out of the ten, more than half? I understand if he's suggesting six out of ten or more than half of them in one particular area, that really goes against the mission of the foundation to spread those veteran slots throughout the development. We could probably we have two there now. We could see if we could get a third one in there when we do some final design. But more than that, we're not going to be able to fit and be able to keep our mission of allowing veterans to be incorporated

2:42:42and part of the community in all the different streets of the development.

2:42:48Yeah.

2:42:51I I j I just personally have a compatibility issue with the larger lots right next to the sixty foot lots. If if it can't be worked out, I I I have a problem with the compatibility just on that one fringe edge of the development.

2:43:02So Cynthia I think uh as much as Uh as much as the the board seems to like this concept and like this idea and wanna Make it happen. I I think uh if you're unwilling to bend on a couple of these issues then Um, I think we're gonna we only have one alternative and that's to deny it.

2:43:24Can can I ask one more question? So it was

2:43:28the request the Can I clarify what the request is?

2:43:32Well

2:43:32there's

2:43:34it to put two hundred blocks there?

2:43:36There's two requests. One request is that we're we're specifying th if this is if this is gonna be zoned R four. than we under this plan We want to make sure that it goes to uh the tunnels for towers is not gonna be sold to some other developer under an R4 zoning. That's number one. And number two. We wanna To get a few more of those hundred foot lots along that one Boundary,

2:44:07I think it was what was the name of that road?

2:44:09Oh Place.

2:44:10Bob Place. Uh in order to Yeah, to mitigate Some of the congestion on that side. So th those are I think those are two deal breakers and I'm just reading the board here. I don't know.

2:44:32Would you allow us to continue this to your next meeting so that we could take a look at that and see if we can I mean there's there's no question. Question whatsoever about the first is the Chelsea Towers Foundation owns the property. We have no intention of selling it to anyone else for development. Um if that's important to the board that that be a part of a D-destriction, I'll discuss that with my client. I I don't think there would be a problem with it. Um the second, if you would allow us to continue just to see if what we can do in terms of number adding one or two um more hundred-foot lots

2:45:02along there. we'd like to take a look at that and see um and see what we can do. But we need, I mean obviously we can't do this from If you're talking to each other, we'd like to be able to lay it out and see how it it fleshes out. If you would allow us a two week continuance to your next meeting, um that would give us a chance to do that.

2:45:19And and I was just gonna say and we're not saying you can't add lots somewhere else and try to w as Mr. Gerardi said, try to rework it so that you can pick up what you're losing somewhere else if that's possible. That may not be possible, I don't know. But you might want

2:45:35to take

2:45:35a little bit of

2:45:36room out of the park, add some lots and you know. So anyway.

2:45:40Yeah, and and again, Cindy to t I'm sorry, Jack for this Jamie Girardi again. I Just I think my biggest concern is is the sixty foot lots backing up to Panther Run. Um I mean I don't know if there's a way to rework this to where those lots just don't back up to that property boundary, personally. I mean if if they were just on the other side of the road. Um

2:46:02or if you could rework the park over there. I mean I mean I don't I don't know what's possible, but just throwing suggestions out.

2:46:08Sure. But was was there also mentioned Ms. Terrapani that the product on that hundred foot lob

2:46:14would

2:46:14be single story? Did I miss did I mishear that? Or is is that am I incorrect? Are they all two story houses or is there some within the development that are single story?

2:46:25Chen up

2:46:27The hundred foot lots.

2:46:28Generally speaking, the hundred foot lots for the veteran for the disabled veteran is a hundred is a one story.

2:46:34Okay. So that would alleviate some of the concern of the privacy of the neighbors adjacent to uh following up on Mr. Jardi's suggestion.

2:46:42Okay, well then uh if there is no further discussion uh or questions, d I hear a motion to continue.

2:46:49I'll make that motion. To continue this

2:46:53Um Okay. So we have a motion. Do we have a second?

2:46:57Jamie Girardi second. Um again, I just I I just those are just input quo comments there. I mean, if you I hope this doesn't scare anybody away. I just think that that just needs to be considered.

2:47:07And I was gonna say this exact same thing. I think I think everybody really would like this project and wants to see it happen. So those those I think are hopefully doable. Um things to do to make this project uh a really good one.

2:47:25Yes, and I I'd just like to on behalf of the board and com commend Tunnels to Towers for what they're trying to do. because it's easy to say, you know, the veterans should have more But it's nice to see somebody actually getting out there and doing it.

2:47:40Right.

2:47:41So Um and that they're a lot more important to most of us than a few tortoises.

2:47:49Mm-hmm.

2:47:53We have a motion, do we have a second?

2:47:55We'll take a hard look at it.

2:47:56Okay. All in favor of the motion? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries.

2:48:04And to clarify the motion, the motion is to continue to the May 6th Planning Commission meeting at 130 in Dade City.

2:48:10Right.

2:48:11Thank you.

2:48:18Okay.