A Resolution Of Pasco County, Florida, (Regular) Establishing Special Assessment Liens For Certain Paving Assessment Projects: Allyn Drive, PVAS No. 3364; Country Club Estates, PVAS No. 3261; Edgewater Circle, PVAS No. 3118; Evelane Drive PVAS No. 3365; Gulf Trace Subdivision, PVAS No. 3302; Oldgate Circle, PVAS No. 3347; Waxwing Drive, PVAS No. 3369; Authorizing And Providing For The Collection Of Special Assessments For Each Of The Named Projects By The Tax Collector In Accordance With The Uniform Method For The Levy, Collection And Enforcement Of Non-Ad Valorem Assessments Pursuant To Section 197.3632, Florida Statutes; And Providing For An Effective Date

54:26Item P95 was published in the Tampay Times on July 7, 2021.

54:38Oh.

54:41so we can vacate

54:42it and make it a trail.

54:43Oh, sorry.

54:44Oh,

54:45we have

54:45amenities along.

54:51Um this is the PVAS n um uh non-advalum assessment. This is for the west side of the county, um US forty one. There are seven projects in this um presentation. We have Alvin Drive, Country Club Estate, Edgewater Circle, Evelyn Um Drive, Gulf Trace, Oldgate Circle, and Wax Wing. There are a total of 51 streets for 7.41 miles. There were 902 assessments mailed out. We had six written

55:21objections and we responded to them. Um for Gulf Trace, there were some objections in the form of a petition. We had received 17017 of those from the property owners, and there's an attorney representing the Gulf Trace. Um Homeowners Association. In summary, for both the east side and the west side, non-advalorum assessment, we have a total of 11 paving assessments, 55 streets, 7.93 miles, just over $1.1 million in

55:51total assessment, over $220,000 will be added to the tax bill this year. And there are 957 total assessment notification letters mailed, six um objections, and um we're seeking to have um this approved, the non ad valorem approved, the east side was approved July um sixth.

56:15That's it.

56:17Okay, we have anyone signed up for this item?

56:20We have four people signed up for this item.

56:24Okay.

56:25So we have first person signed up is Eugene Ungeyer.

56:31And then John I don't know if it's Pennington. It's follow it follows. So Mr is it Ungayer, you can come up please and

56:46Please state your name and address for the record.

56:50What do we need to use? On higher. and I am uh resident on [address removed] in Country Club States. Uh I'm here to talk about the uh assessed value for almost three quarters of a million dollars. to the uh residents of this area. I have three items that I'd like to address. in this. The first item is the cut-through that was added from the Walmart into uh dipolo drive. This has

57:20become hazard. because people are leaving shopping carts there. There's also shopping carts that are being taken throughout the neighborhood. And left all over the streets. The other hazard is people are racing through. that cut through and have almost caused multiple accidents. I've seen this because I drive to Pola every day when I come home from work and every time when I leave. Dipola dumps out into the Social. And It's just a nightmare sometimes going

57:50d up and down the street. The second item that I wanted to address on this. was the traffic light itself. I realized that there was a injury there that resulted in a death. of a certain person. and that this was put in to prevent these accidents from happening. And I have witnessed some times before. when there was just a pass through there that there would been near misses. Um the only thing that I have to say about this is it takes an extremely

58:21long time to change this light over when you're coming out from Dipola on to nineteen, and it's almost easier just to go all the way round, go down to the next cut through and come back up the other side. Uh I've waited there actually seven minutes almost one time. uh because they got there just as the light had changed from the other side. Um so I'd like to see that light be made into a trip light if possible. So that there's some time I realize that, you know, when the lights change, but

58:51there's some times to uh r relieve that um build up and there's been three and four cars sometimes sitting there waiting to go um out of dipola. The last item of this pavement That was done. had to do with the fact that I understand that this pavement was supposed to alleviate the flooding problem. Well it hasn't. It has not done it at all. Dopola still floods right at the intersection of Social Drive. Another street that um

59:22floods is Country Club Estates in the corner of Spring Drive, which is the other entrance into Country Club Estates. The gully that is at the end of Dipolo Drive is a concrete pad. It almost looks like a sidewalk that goes into a retention basin that's behind the houses on um Solto drive in the next street over. and then there is a pipe that runs underneath

59:52the road which goes behind Walmart. and down to a s um I guess it's a runoff, which runs adjacent to um oh I can't remember the name the the street that's along the side of the the Walmart that's there. I th I can't remember what the name of it is at the moment. Capitol Drive? No. Um it's between uh the Walmart and where the old uh K Mart was. I think it's um

1:00:17Beaconwoods Drive.

1:00:18Yes, that's it. Beacon Woods Drive. So right there on the next to Beacon Woods Drive is a runoff and that goes all the way down into the Gulf. from there. So the retention pond has been flooding to the extent where it comes right up to my property line. The pipe that's there is not taken care of. It used to be taken care of by the county in the grass mowed and it hasn't been mowed and uh the pipe taken care of. There's debris down at the end of the pipe down there. I'm sorry, but what's up, sir. Oh I'm sorry. Thank

1:00:49you for your comments. Thank you.

1:00:51Right. The next person signed up is John Pennington.

1:00:58Good afternoon. Right. I first of all I'd like to say I'm sitting in the front row and I can't hear anything that's going on up here.

1:01:06It seems like it's low to me too.

1:01:07It's very low. And you know, I'm partially deaf anyway, but uh I live in Gulf Trace. Um we recently uh I think last year received a survey from the county saying do you want your streets repaved or not? And the vast majority of us said, uh no thank you. We're fine with what we have. Next thing we get is an assessment from the county saying We all owe forty three hundred and eighty seven dollars. and

1:01:37there's a lien put on our properties so for ten years. So now none of us can sell our homes until that lien is taken care of.

1:01:45No, that's not correct.

1:01:48The paper says ten years. It shows how much you have to pay every year for ten years. or you could probably pay it all off. I'm retired. I don't have forty three hundred dollars that I can pay for something that we didn't want in the first place. The streets are already deteriorating, especially on my street. It's a cul-de-sac. We get these large garbage trucks that come in there. they cannot make the turn, so they have to do a three point turn and they're just tearing the c tearing

1:02:18the asphalt up and they're leaking oil everywhere. From my understanding it's not legal for trucks to be leaking oil on the streets. Um that's what I was told. I don't know if that's true or not. These these homes are mainly retirees. We've got a couple of invalid people that live on our street. Like I said, they c nobody can sell their homes now because of these liens. The c the HOA has now gone around and

1:02:48sent letters to everybody that has weeds in their yard. So you're looking at 200 about 250 homes. vast majority of them are vacant owners, they're rented. People can't afford to water their yards. They certainly can't afford to maintain their yards. I take a lot of pride in my yards, so I do it myself. But I I would wish that you would consider the the hardship that this would put everybody in in this community in Gulf Trace that

1:03:18uh that we have to be uh the burden take the burden of this um assessment. It's it's a pretty heavy burden. So thank you for your time.

1:03:29Okay. Thank you for your comments.

1:03:33Next person.

1:03:34Next person signed up is Colin Rice.

1:03:45Good afternoon, Commissioners. Colin Rice, uh 101 East Kennedy Boulevard, suite 2800, Tampa, Florida, 33602, attorney representing the Gulf Trace Homeowners Association, uh, here to speak to you today about the aforementioned Gulf Trace. Uh road paving assessment. We had submitted a formal objection uh prior to the deadline. Uh I do have a copy of it here uh for the record if you all would like, but I just want to provide you some context and what the community is experiencing. Um we're we're not contesting

1:04:16anything procedurally here. We know that you know the staff followed the code. Um so notice opportunity we heard. We're not making any of those sorts of um uh claims today but what what I do want to impress upon you is initially I know that the ballot went out it was 72 uh yes to 92 no. So in 2018 the residents uh expressed a desire not to have the assessment project undertaken. We understand that the county can go ahead anyway that occurred. And today

1:04:46we're looking at a forty-three hundred to fifty three hundred dollar uh burden for each homeowner. This is uh as has been expressed previously, a largely fixed income community. The SHIP program that was alluded to in the materials that went out to the residents. likely doesn't qualify for any of these homeowners. It has to be $160,000 or lower face value per each home. I'd be surprised if any home in this community qualifies for that. Uh what we're really looking for here is assistance. Um There

1:05:17are several areas of concern um with respect to the road work that had been done. Uh the the larger trucks in the cul-de-sac seem to be uh pulling out portions of the road. We do have photographs. I don't know if there's a convenient way to motion to receive a file.

1:05:31Second.

1:05:31Thank you. Did you want to show that on the

1:05:33date? All those on favor say aye. Aye.

1:05:36If we may, it's just a handful give you a sense of what we're looking at.

1:05:46Mr. Chairman Mariano. While we're waiting, since he's an attorney representing the HOA, can I ask a question? Is that okay? Okay. You are you okay with that? Okay. As my mic falls apart here. These are low by the way, unless you get right up on it today. You can hear me good now, can't you?

1:06:05Um just a question for you.

1:06:09You stated that it was uh ninety two no's and seventy two yeses. So essentially uh it failed. And then it was quote board initiated with the recommendation from staff.

1:06:22Knowing that this was a paving assessment

1:06:28You speaking for the HOA, I know you can't speak for all the residents, but speaking for the HOA, you can see the Mm. If this doesn't go through The HIA was o is okay with the roads not being paved.

1:06:40They're paying Commissioner Oakley.

1:06:43Or anything else Oh okay, I'm sorry. Okay. Any future any any future maintenance or anything like that? Happening on it. So they're fully completed. Sorry. Okay. So they're fully any future maintenance or anything like that not um happening on the on the roads.

1:07:01Well thank you for your question. Um they are paved, they're finished. Um the contention is that the state they're in now in in their improved state, there are points of failure. Uh that's the point that I'm illustrating with these photographs. They are county owned roads. Right. Um so in in my opinion, uh it would be the responsibility of the county to maintain their state of repair as well.

1:07:22Okay.

1:07:24Um I

1:07:24don't know that finish finished.

1:07:26Sorry, may I say something too since you're an attorney. I I hope it's not your understanding of the law Or our ordinance that they can't sell their home, because that's not true. And I hope maybe you've explained that to them.

1:07:42I will confirm that they can sell their homes.

1:07:45Yes, the

1:07:45the

1:07:46cost goes with the home, not the person.

1:07:48Correct.

1:07:54Right, right. So so you can sell your home. Okay. Just one I just wanted to make sure because uh that would be upsetting to people, I'm sure, if they thought they had to re

1:08:05It passes all of the property.

1:08:07Yeah, correct.

1:08:09Um if um has anyone from our road department been out there to see w any deterioration that may have happened in the cul-de-sac where Trucks turn around.

1:08:22Insekall at public works. Um after we received the photographs um with regards to what was considered um deterioration, I went out on August seventh. And as the gentleman before me had mentioned about the oil, there's um uh signs of hydraulic and engine oil, and that is one of the um problems there. I haven't found any potholes, there are no material defects or poor workmanship because we inspect this at the end of the the project. Absolutely

1:08:51So let me let me explain a couple of things that it's going on. Um one, in this county, we don't have franchised garbage pickup. So we have the older trucks of the companies here. They won't invest in the top quality trucks because they don't have guaranteed contracts here. So they have told me we get They're old, leaky stuff. And we can't s we can't prevent that, I d I don't think. Um The um Let's see, I

1:09:22had a I had another Oh yes. So but something that your neighborhood can do, and it's something that our family did when we developed Longleaf is We um we made a contract with one provider. Uh um so the neighborhood could get together. It's it has to be voluntary. Um but you if you everyone signs up with the same garbage pickup Truck. You'll only have one truck in there instead of having multiple contracts with multiple providers and having a lot more trucks on

1:09:52your neighborhood. And um and you might find out which one has the better equipment that's not leaking on your streets. But certainly would be better for you to have the same company coming through instead of having multiple ones.

1:10:07Yeah. Mr. Chairman M just to pile on a little bit and Commissioner Starkey is is correct. HOAs C HOA C Ds can negotiate with with the hauler if they if if they'd like to on behalf of the residents there. You know, negotiate rates. That's it happens all the time.

1:10:27They negotiate with one hauler. We have one hauler that comes and picks up our trash and does our recycling.

1:10:33It's much better because you only hear one truck early in the morning,

1:10:35right? So if anybody's from the actual H O A itself there, you can reach out to you know if you're If your citizens agree on that, you're you're HLA members. So, yeah. Okay. But she's right. That's that's uh that's a good option.

1:10:48Yeah. Okay, we see a picture up here now. I believe some

1:10:52and these are part of the uh objection package that was submitted. I'll I'll give you all a copy here today. These are I apologize they're out of order, it's just a fuse to give you a sense, but we'll provide all that. I'm sorry.

1:11:03That's not nice.

1:11:05Um So this is one of the cul-de-sacs within the community. These were actually from uh Mr. Emmons, who is present today. Uh he's submitted an affidavit, so you know these are authenticated for if anybody's concerned about that. But this is from about a month ago, just to give you an idea of what the present condition looks like.

1:11:21Yeah, I will I would not let that company back in. I'll find another one.

1:11:26And so just to give you a sense of scale. Um

1:11:30We can just keep going through to give you an idea.

1:11:32Mr. Chairman Mariano.

1:11:36Ajax.

1:11:39If if I if I may. Ajax

1:11:42I meant the roads.

1:11:43So Ajax is the paving company. The hauler, I don't know. I've I have asked our Solid Waste Department via text here to to reach out to the haulers to see what

1:11:53Yeah, I think that's a good thing. Yeah. I mean they have brand new beautiful roads and then they're putting this on. When were these roads paved? The paving looks fine.

1:12:04Paving's uh. When when were they paved?

1:12:13So it's like they're all done though. They're done within the assessment area, yes. Yeah.

1:12:18Okay.

1:12:19So I'll I'll conclude. I'll be happy to discuss, answer any questions you have, just so I hit my my points while I have time. Um I'd like to suggest a couple of tools in in your toolbox. Uh section 94-2 of your county code reads: the board is authorized to provide for the payment of the whole or the part of the costs of assessments. Uh 94-16B reads. The BOCC is authorized by resolution in its discretion to reduce interest rates or waive interest otherwise payable on special assessments. We

1:12:50we need your help. Um our our ask is that the roads be repaired uh and and that our community get a a degree of financial relief from from this burden that's pretty uh inordinate for most of the homeowners in this community.

1:13:04So this this is my district. Um Are we are they getting the twenty five percent discount from the county?

1:13:15Insert called the public works. All applicable discounts have been um already been included.

1:13:20And what is the um interest rate that we're charging?

1:13:23I am looking just one second.

1:13:34And this is this is the process for every road in the county that's not a collector of arterial. So you're not singled out. It's this is just the way the county does this at this time. So um

1:13:46three point two five. Well that's all right.

1:13:50I don't know what else.

1:13:52Yeah.

1:13:53Yeah, that's the lowest I've seen. So

1:13:57Okay. And it's ten years?

1:14:00Thank you.

1:14:01Yeah, I don't know.

1:14:03Yeah.

1:14:04So what's the annual payment? It depends on which

1:14:08neighborhood.

1:14:12The lowest amount is just over forty seven hundred dollars. No no, how much is it

1:14:16a year?

1:14:17Mr. Chairman, you need staff.

1:14:23But we're only talking about Gulf Gates. Gulf trace.

1:14:26Gulf trace um the annual payment would be approximately four hundred dollars, uh four hundred and forty dollars per year.

1:14:33Yeah, I d I I don't know. We that's as low as interest as we do and that's as long as I've ever seen. So I I don't I don't think there's really anything we can do with that, sadly.

1:14:46Thank you, sir.

1:14:47All right. So may I just submit the rest of the petition for the record?

1:14:51Yeah. Yeah.

1:14:53I got a motion. Second. That's a second. All those in favor?

1:14:58Aye.

1:14:58Say aye. Aye. Motion passed 5-0.

1:15:03Good.

1:15:03I think

1:15:04there's still more

1:15:04people that want to speak.

1:15:07Do we have anybody else speaking?

1:15:08I have one person one left last person signed up, which is Susan Matheson.

1:15:15Excuse me. I I didn't sign up. You're fine, you can't.

1:15:19You'll get a turn. Yeah.

1:15:25Good afternoon. I'm new to this. My name is Susan Matheson and I live in Gulf Trace. I just moved to Pasco County. Um

1:15:35April twenty twenty.

1:15:37Um you just have to state your address for the record and then you can proceed.

1:15:41My address is [address removed]. Thank you, ma'am. Okay, so this is in reference to the paving that we're talking about right now. Um I guess being how I'm I just moved to here from Penales, I don't I don't understand how things are done here. I thought that our tax dollars paid for paving of roads and stuff. Um I don't understand why

1:16:11we're being having to pay this bill when, you know, people can't afford it. We lived in an area where it's a lot of um retirees mostly and they're on limited budgets and such and um it's a lot of money. And you know It's it's hard for everyone, not to mention on our street when we were talking about the damage. I don't know if pictures were taken, but on our street. Um down the road

1:16:41there's a uh manhole cover. And close to the manhole cover is a great big dip. and that dip was there after they paved it. And when it rains, the water pool's there and you're you can actually feel the dip when you go down the street. I don't know if anybody took pictures of that. But um Yeah, so we we just need help with paying for this somehow. I mean

1:17:10Um Mr. Chairman

1:17:11Mariano

1:17:12I'm sure our staff will go out there and take a look at that dip. Um I will say it probably was um I'm not a realtor and I don't want to give out realty law. But I think people have to disclose when you have an encumbrance like that coming. I would guess. So you know, that that That was attached to your house. That that was Bill Coming when you bought your house and you and you you should have n they should have told you about it. But um there are provisions

1:17:43where um I don't remember what it is, but you can Ainsley, what what uh what is how does it work where you can get the discount uh for certain financial hardships? What's the I don't know if it works out here but

1:17:59the attorney was saying. Yeah, that I mean i if Mister uh if the lawyer is correct, these houses don't qualify for the next year. Yeah,

1:18:08it's a v it's a nice neighborhood.

1:18:10Yeah.

1:18:10Um not that others aren't nice, but the the value of the houses may not might not qualify for that. So Yeah, I'm sorry, that's So I'll tell you about the the taxes. So um Uh there is an opportunity in our budget, in our um in our ad valorem to collect money for local roads. Um it's called the Road and Bridge Fund because all our money goes into silos. We don't collect any tax money for local roads like that. So you are not

1:18:40taxed in this county for road um local road maintenance um We we do have a second five cent local option that pays for the potholes to get fixed. And um we pay for collector and artillery roads, for example Gulf Trace Boulevard. The county pays for those. Um but uh we don't collect any of your tax money for local roads. That we are talking about changing that in the future 'cause many counties do levy a

1:19:11tax or a fee to everybody to pay for everyone's roads. But right now the way we do it is if your road is deteriorating then then y then it's the cost is divided amongst the people who live on that road. So that's how we do it here. But uh but I will tell you that uh in a total our taxes are a lot less than Pinolas County. So hopefully you're benefiting from that.

1:19:35So we do have to pay this and they did say that it puts a lead on our house. Yeah,

1:19:42it'll be on your tax bill and is that do is that the one for next year?

1:19:47Yes, commissioner.

1:19:49So yeah, starting next year. Not this year, next year.

1:19:53And and the other thing is it's not just trash trucks that are Coming in there messing up the road. It's all kinds of other delivery trucks and everything else. And the road was just recently paved and yes, it's already looking bad in certain areas. Well,

1:20:07and I I will go drive through it and I'm sure Ainsy will. Um can you say what road that is that has the depression? What street that is? Heartstone

1:20:15Court, H E A R T H S T O N E Heartstone

1:20:18Court. We'll take a

1:20:18look at that.

1:20:19Staff check that out.

1:20:20Yeah.

1:20:21Ms. Chairman Mariano

1:20:22Okay,

1:20:22thank you. Uh ma'am, just two quick questions for you.

1:20:25Yes.

1:20:26When you bought your house, did you have title

1:20:28insurance? I I might have missed that. Yes. That's where you should be going to try to get that. Because there should have been some type of notice on the search that would have probably should have picked that up. Um next question. I notice so there's a lot of tacklines in Ainsley you might even know. Are those tax lines from When the construction was done or does something happen after the fact?

1:20:50I think that's people

1:20:51driving through those oil spills or whatever those

1:20:54are. And when they put the tack down in the base? No. May I think that's the same thing.

1:21:01sorry. That's tracking off the oil. So you have oil dripping and then you have trucks or other vehicles tracking the oil. Okay.

1:21:10Okay. Thank you.

1:21:13Is there a Mr. Chairman there a code or anything that says you can't leak oil all over the roads? Or there's ones that you can't set off so much pollution of smoke, so how much oil can you're not allowed to trip oil?

1:21:30It would not be local ordinance, it would be state law.

1:21:33State law is in the state ordinance. Okay.

1:21:40Yeah, thank you. My name is Jeff Thaw. I live on uh Wind Ridge Drive. Engulf trace. Uh I moved in there in eighteen. I was one of the ninety two that voted no. for uh this project. Which came up right after I moved in. But the point that I want to make is when this originally came up The assessment was gonna be twenty

1:22:10two hundred dollars, twenty three hundred dollars. Right in there. So Boy, the fact that it's 4300 is is really bad news for a lot of people, including myself. Uh that was the original amount. It was somewhere in that neighborhood. It could have been twenty three eighty. twenty two fifty and this would have been an eighteen. So What happened along the way that it's forty three hundred? Well,

1:22:37I'm I'm not gonna let that go unanswered because I'll tell you how it works up here. Ansley, can you come up and and and say that when the suspense given out it never can go up.

1:22:48Okay, so yes, but I think the question, if I'm mis um on the saying correctly, is that initially it was twenty three hundred. And then now it is uh forty three hundred or forty right. So what I

1:23:01What I don't know is where that number came from. It may have been from the housing association from the HOA. But that was the figure that was given to the residents in eighteen. prior to The approval. Now I I can't I don't know exactly where that figure from military for instance

1:23:23I'm I can't speak to that figure but I can speak to the figure that is being presented to the board. Right. Um we have an annual uh com contract, paving contract, which is competitively bid and approved by the board, the company is approved by the board. And we put in the quantities that we anticipate we'll use for the repaving price. project. So for example, one hundred tons at ten dollars and we c get that number. And that's when we notify uh property owners of the maximum assessment. So our numbers are based on what is

1:23:53actually used in terms of material and the prevailing um contract in place approved by the board.

1:23:59But Ainsley, when they vote, you have that number.

1:24:02I don't have it here with me. That's why I'm not sure.

1:24:05When they voted they had

1:24:06the record number

1:24:06of the Mr. Oh this was board initiated.

1:24:08Mr. Chairman Mariano but the Commissioner is right. There could have been a letter that went out that they voted down. Mm-hmm. And then when it was board initiated, the prices had gone up and they would have gotten another letter.

1:24:21Okay, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. We

1:24:24have so much going back and forth on on this, but Mr. Chairman M just uh I'm gonna try to simplify something here. Um If if you look at the agenda memo, you can see that we're not going There are different assessments, I uh you know, e.g. Um different amounts per Road. um in ERU. Not everything we're looking at is the same here.

1:24:48You're looking at different projects? Yeah. Yes, because it depends on what is being done for each project. Yes, sir.

1:24:55Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So they're not trace all the same.

1:24:58Some have stormwater, some don't, some have base and then some don't

1:25:02may have um full depth reclamation. It depends on what is done for the individual project.

1:25:08It was nineteen seventy eight.

1:25:11This

1:25:11is different areas.

1:25:12Yeah, that's what I mean. So different areas, exactly. So we have so many we have different we're all we're voting on all these at once and there's different people here for different votes. So yeah.

1:25:21Can I ask that what date was that figure arrived at? Which the the the current my house happens to be forty-three and change. So what was the date that perhaps the board approved that's above trace forty three and change?

1:25:37That would have been twenty nineteen. I don't have the information. I can give you my card and I'll get that to you.

1:25:43He can give you all that information.

1:25:47Yes, I do.

1:25:48So he can direct that and let you know when that happened or something.

1:25:51Yeah, so I'm you can understand my surprise. I don't I understand. I I think perhaps in late nineteen maybe I saw the forty three hundred dollar figure. But originally again it m it may have initiated From the H O A. It was a a huge, huge difference. And and I think by the time I saw 4300, it was probably Water under the bridge that have been voted on and passed, I suppose.

1:26:21Uh forty three hundred for your total. Charge. And then that divided out becoming four hundred and something. Dollars a year. That's a pretty good uh improvement to your property. and a way for you to pay it back. You don't have to pay it all at one time. You don't have to

1:26:37pay

1:26:37it.

1:26:37No, I understand. I appreciate that. I understand and But it

1:26:40helps you and it it helps bring up the community at the same time.

1:26:43Yeah, I did vote no and originally. And uh I thank you for your um explanation. of why the assessment was made, I've lived in houses all over the country. I I've never been to a hearing. where I had to pay for the road in front of my house that was county maintained.

1:27:03In Pasco County we've done that for for many, many years. And I I can give you a room. So I learned something new. It's cause in our history of Pasco County, the west side of the county over here. had a lot more growth than the east side of the county with more rural. We we had a lot more land on and less people. So the people over there didn't want to be taxed. To pay for roads over here. So you did it to us. That caused it to be the P VAS system based out of that.

1:27:32Just wait till your P VAS is come out east. They're gonna be Hungish. Because they they have a lot less

1:27:39houses on

1:27:39their roads. Yeah.

1:27:40All right. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you for your comments. Is anyone else want to speak to this item? Come forward and state your name and address?

1:27:50My name is Richard Emmons. I live at [address removed]. I live in Gulf Trace and I'm the lousy photographer. Okay. Uh that's

1:28:02not bad.

1:28:03What I wanna know is Besides the fact that we voted it down. and then mysteriously it got passed. Um Then You know, so you f I cause I remember talking to you. And one of you others said, Yeah, it got voted down and I looked at you and said, What the hell are we all doing here? Now it gets passed. You build this you have this company come in. that you may have a county contract with them, but

1:28:33they have no information on their truck other than their name. You can't talk to them, you can't email them, you can't send them a fax, you can't communicate at all with them. Now the other thing is we bought our house in two thousand eighteen uh fourteen. We had no problems. I'm on a cul-de-sac. Those holes were on my street, my cul-de-sac. And We get um You know, and the roads been less than a year. We were promised, we were made by a c by a member of the board here. Oh, these roads would last twenty-five years. They

1:29:03haven't last less than a year and a half. Now we have a gentleman or some inspector comes out and says, oh no, these things meet code. They were perfectly built the way they were supposed to be. Why did I have why do we have to pay for an inferior road? I never had this problem before on my cul-de-sac. You know, you guys I understand counties, you know, some counties charge taxes for roads, you guys don't. That I can appreciate.

1:29:34But I just find it ironic that I'm paying for an inferior road that was built.

1:29:42Yeah, we're gonna take a look at it.

1:29:44Yeah, but y you're you're gonna take a look at it, but we're all gonna get stuck with the bill still. And my point is You know it's like buying a little bit of a little bit of a little Uh you you want to buy a car and you wind up paying you wanna buy buying a Hugo for a Cadillac price. That's kind of like the way this road thing works. I guess I'm out of time. Oh well I'm that's I'm just saying that We never we've lived in there five years before the roads were tore up. We never had a problem. Now

1:30:14we have a constant problem. That man is gonna be sending people out to fix our roads on a monthly basis. Also, Gulf Trace, because of all the construction, it's now tore up. Now you we're not gonna pay for Gulf Trace. You guys are on your own on that one. But it's already starting to rip up. And that's because you got all these construction. You you guys are developing, developing, developing, which I understand this is what This county has made its industry, its construction. I've been

1:30:44here since seventy eight. So You know, and you can't help the big trucks, you know, whether they're garbage or whether they're rock haulers. And I'm just saying that you are asking my com my community to pay for a road that that is now in worse shape than it was before they did. Thank you for your time.

1:31:12I'm just saying we'll go out and look at it together, okay? Let's go. Let's go

1:31:16for sure.

1:31:16Is that the is this does this require a motion? Is someone wanting to speak? Oh, okay.

1:31:24ma'am. Well you're you're there's a person behind you that wants to speak.

1:31:30But isn't there a warranty?

1:31:35I'm sorry, but I didn't sign up either. This is my first time here for and I'm over here about paving. Ma'am, could you state your name and Barbara Mendis, M-E-N-D-E-S, [address removed]. And I believe I heard Old Gate was part of the paving. Am I correct? Yes. Okay. Um I wasn't so much concerned with having to pay for it 'cause I figured that's the way the county works, but I was

1:32:05a little surprised sitting back there and hearing that Golf Trace is being charged 3.25 interest, if I remember that correctly, and a fifteen year amortization. Well I have to do mine in Ten years. And it's five point two five. Interest. And my guess my question is why? Why the difference? In interest. In

1:32:36the paving areas.

1:32:38Well that may be something we can take care of. Maybe.

1:32:46Whenever a project is approved uh presented to the board and approve in October the prior year, the board sets the interest rate. So if this project was approved when the interest rate which was approved by the board was five percent, that is what we have to present it at. For example, the project at 3.5 was approved by the board at 3.5%.

1:33:05But um Ainsley, um is it possible to lower that to 3.25? Or does that mess you up with your fund?

1:33:11That's a board decision. If the board directs us to do that, we recalculate the amortization.

1:33:18All right,

1:33:18I'm Chair, so I can't make that motion.

1:33:23And I'll second it. But

1:33:26Uh Mr. I I have the gavel and Mr. Karbala wants to speak.

1:33:29No, I just I just want to add that if if that were to happen we would have to bring a resolution, I believe, back to the board to

1:33:37You are This should have been done at the final public hearing. Not the not the final assessment role that is going on going to the tax collector and property appraiser.

1:33:49Is there a deadline of anything today? If does this have to be approved today to go on the tax roll? Or is there still time to bring this This is next.

1:33:59Ms. Chairman Mariano and then amend the interest rate?

1:34:05That's what we're asking. So hang on a second.

1:34:11Staff tells me we can bring it back on nine.

1:34:13Okay, so pull out old gate.

1:34:17And um we'll see if we can lower that interest rate to three point two five. Appreciate it. And uh is there any more public comment?

1:34:24No, you already spoke.

1:34:28You get one one chance to speak. Okay.

1:34:30Madam Chairman

1:34:31Mariano. Well unless

1:34:32his interest rate is higher. No,

1:34:33no, no.

1:34:33No, no, he's on the three point two

1:34:35five. Just a couple of questions. Is are all the others at three point two five?

1:34:40Yeah, I think that's a good thing.

1:34:46I think it's only fair we make them all three point two five.

1:34:52Did the AC cut off Mm-hmm. Yeah,

1:34:55I'm done. Yeah, it's where it's back again by

1:34:59and Ms. Chairman, I thought that at the time of the original assessment and then now, it is supposed to be the lower of the two interest rates.

1:35:12No, it's what what we set at the public hearing.

1:35:14Yeah.

1:35:17Yeah, Madam Madam Chair. Oh now Mr. Chair. Commissioner Yeah think of mortgage rates, you know, they go up and down, up and down, but up and down. So at that time that was what the interest rate was because they weren't all done at once. So when they brought it forward, interest was five point two five. The next time the next one was brought it was three point two five. Again, you know, to tomorrow I might be able to refinance my house at one point five and next month might be able to do that.

1:35:41Well last time when it was brought in front of the board to set up uh PVAS and at that time it was three point two five and we say that that time it is the lower of They Interest rate at the time. It was either the interest rate at that date or if it went up to 6.5 today, it's the lower of the two.

1:36:05No, we set it and we set it. Yeah.

1:36:08Yeah. We don't we don't change it every year. It's that at the final public hearing.

1:36:12Yeah. Yeah. Okay, what do you have for us?

1:36:15Um what do you what do you

1:36:17think about the others have a higher interest rate? Yeah. Angely I think the board wants to have them all at three point two five percent. So you need to pull the ones out. Evelyn is at five

1:36:27point two five. Um Waxwing, Just those two.

1:36:34And uh Alan. Otherwise.

1:36:38Okay, Alan, pull

1:36:40out Y N.

1:36:43Will you modify your motion?

1:36:45Um no, Old Gate is one point seven five. That's the storm damage, and remember with the storm damage damage you had a lower uh interest rate. Well then we need a

1:36:53Oh wait a second, Ansley. Old gate is what? which is the one who started all this.

1:37:02It's only at one point seven five, not five point two five? She said five point two five.

1:37:07Oh my gosh. Well good point.

1:37:12Yes, Mr More.

1:37:13It was notice it was notice as five point two five, but because it was storm damage the b the board reduced it to one point seven five.

1:37:24Staff's gonna have to take some time to research this a little bit and look at the interest rates and probably bring this back to us in a whole package again. I don't know what So I think would agree. I think we'd have to continue this to another meeting.

1:37:35I'd r recommend that you that you continue it, not defer it. So continue it to the to your uh September fifteenth uh meeting it that will be in Dade City, but that

1:37:51But everyone will get the lower interest rate.

1:37:54But if that's if that's the board's intent is that That it it be at either at three point two five or if it's been set lower.

1:38:05Okay, so I'm so

1:38:06at that at that meeting you're asking us to present the interest rate it was approved at and the interest rate

1:38:12No well at the next board meeting I'll make the motion um that you bring these back And anyone that was higher than three point two five Bring them down to three point two five. That's

1:38:25my motion. September fifth. Motion a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye.

1:38:29Aye.

1:38:29Aye.

1:38:30Motion pass five zero. Mr. Chairman? Yes, sir. Um Ainsley?

1:38:34Ms.

1:38:35Mendez.

1:38:36These roadways that have been done Uh we do have a year warranty on them.

1:38:41Yes, there's a 12-month warranty on them against um poor workmanship and the material defect. In terms of guarantee work against uh material defect, we have testing that is done. And in terms of the poor workmanship, it's inspections, fiscal inspection by our county staff. Yes, sir.

1:38:56But you're not gonna be covering when a county staff

1:39:01No, that is that is outside that is definitely outside. Yes, sir.

1:39:06Alright, so On the

1:39:08Work that was done on colonial uh Country club estates. We went and we looked at all the stormwater areas and Had adjustments done. There was one area that was gonna be difficult and I'm not sure if it it's one of the intersections the gentleman was mentioned, but I want you if you could if that gentleman's still here, I think he's gone. Oh, he's still here. Would you get with him and let's at a time we'll go out and take a look at that? And and just if there's something we can do to fix that, let's get those things fixed the way they're supposed to be done from the get-go.

1:39:36Sure.

1:39:36Thank you.

1:39:37Okay. Okay. Right. All right.