Johnson Road, PVAS No. 3497 (Regular) – Board of County Commissioners – Public Hearing - $357,283.00

1:27:23On P seventy five, uh We have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the July twentieth, 2022 edition of the Tampa Bay Times.

1:27:33It's the call by public works. This is the Johnston Road Pavement Assessment Project number 3497. There's one street count to maintain and pave. The total estimated project cost is $357,283. The total estimated project cost to be assessed for the project, and this is because this is a cut-through road, the amount to be assessed was $164,640. The maximum cost per ERU is $1,963.04. The discounted amount is $10,840.88.

1:28:06And the maximum cost per ERU after the discount is $1,722.28. Next. There were possible 195 votes. We got 90, which is equal to 46. Which responded. Of that number, 45 were in favor, and 45 were against 50% and 50%. The annual instalment is over a 10-year period, the interest rate is 3.25% interest. This is a location

1:28:36map, Johnson Road between 19 US 19 and Zimmerman. Next. And this is an example of a condition of the road. Ooh.

1:28:46Is this the first time this one's come to us?

1:28:48No.

1:28:49No I seems I've seen this growth before.

1:28:52This came before we we were gonna take a look at doing a sidebar project and everything else, but we're uh just sticking with the road project at this point.

1:28:58Yeah. It's not much of a road left.

1:29:01No, it's terrible.

1:29:03All right. Uh is there anyone here who wishes to speak to this item? Do we have anyone signed up on this one?

1:29:08Uh Mr. Roger Hatfield.

1:29:12And then we'll have Mr. McCoy. Seth.

1:29:19I think

1:29:19we'll look to do that.

1:29:23Uh good

1:29:24afternoon. Name and address please.

1:29:26Roger Hatfield, [address removed]. Yeah I have to do that. A few properties on James Street. I have one that touches Johnson. out of those. I've had these many, many years. twenty five years I paid the taxes on time, so forth. Um We use two hundred feet. Anybody on James, which is

1:29:48Yeah, why don't you put the map back up first?

1:29:50As soon as you turn off a nineteen, the first right there, that's a James. It's a small Dead end road. Um We use two hundred feet of that. Johnson has been that way for over the twenty five years that I've lived there. Same way. It it looks exactly the same as it did twenty five years ago. Um I kinda feel like we're being penalized a little bit for Uh loaning land at this point. Um it was considered a cut through now. School buses use it. To go from nineteen

1:30:20to jo to Zimmerman. Um I don't feel that we originally when we came that with brought this up, we had talked about um being assessed for just the s sidewalks and street lights. Um Then you were gonna probably put it into another project. To have the county pay for the road and we be assessed just for sidewalks and streetlights.

1:30:43Well you you say you have two hundred feet, but if someone's coming in from the right hand side they have the whole road to get to your street.

1:30:50You don't have to to get to James.

1:30:52But you can.

1:30:54I don't use it because of the condition the road's been in twenty five years. Right. So I'm not used to using it. Right. But you know, but we're still being assessed for the whole road when we really only need two hundred feet to get in.

1:31:06Um Ainsley? What is their assessment a hundred percent?

1:31:12The I I don't have the percentage, but assessment is not based on the um frontage. It's based on the zoning and the size of the parcel. So it's not based on the two hundred feet frontage, right? But it's on the size of the parcel.

1:31:26So here it says twenty-five percent.

1:31:28Exactly.

1:31:29It's not

1:31:30immediate no

1:31:31one.

1:31:33Sorry, uh 50 percent. 25 percent is green, fifty percent is blue.

1:31:37Well he's James Street, so he's twenty-five percent. So that's pretty fair.

1:31:44So were you the no vote? Yes. That so that stack in your hand?

1:31:48Yes,

1:31:48sir. And how how many properties do you have there?

1:31:50I have uh seven.

1:31:51Seven. Okay. Thank you very much.

1:31:53Thank you.

1:31:54Okay, is there anyone else here?

1:31:59Okay.

1:32:03Uh that's the last person we have signed up at this time.

1:32:10Does someone else if you want to speak to this please line up?

1:32:20Oh no.

1:32:21Okay.

1:32:30I think we're public speaking, so please bear with me.

1:32:33Um you can um pull that mic down and then name and address for the record, please.

1:32:37My name is Karen Garton and I live at [address removed].

1:32:42It's bet it's been the

1:32:45[address removed]. I've lived in this area for thirty five years. Johnson Road had not been dealt with as an entirety in that time. We have had patchwork done over and over again and where I'm at in the neighborhood I'm known for the fifty shades of gray. For six years straight I did a s a video of the same road and it had the same problem. Same holes, just a little bit bigger. Um at some point that one of the the

1:33:15holes was actually six inches deep. Now the main problem that we saw was drainage. That part of nineteen that starts at Johnson is I guess it goes A, B, and C for the flood zoning. That's A to the left, right on nineteen. As soon as you start that part of Johnson all the way down, it's B.

1:33:37That has a change.

1:33:38And it floods. if any person just stands on any corner, you can see the different rakes in the the road, which we do want our road fixed. We really do. Well I'm gonna be voting for it to get fixed. Well, the problem we have is you're putting the the cart before the horse. the drainage issue does need to be taken care of and I did meet with them in regards to what their plan is for swales and and such on the sides of the roads. We've had that and it didn't work. Um

1:34:09so to do the same thing just so in four or five years, oh well you know you really do need a pipe and an outlet. Well you're tearing up a road you just charged us a hundred and sixty five thousand dollars for. That was most of the residents are still gonna be paying for for another five to ten years. Okay. Well, there is a property in the middle when you go from nineteen to Rampart that is owned by you guys. Picked it up for taxes. It's a double lot and

1:34:39can facilitate a retention pond where if they still use some sort of maneuvering can channel at least the water from nineteen and rampart to there. Now the rate in the uh the property or the pitch is not gonna change on the street. So from Rampart to Zimmerman, it's it's a big decline. And there is a spot at the corner of Johnson and Scallop That is Pretty

1:35:09deteriorated. and because the water puddles. Now I know you did the project where you tore the house down on scallop and cleaned out the pipe right there. It still floods. It does not it doesn't it didn't change the problem. It just eliminated it for a little bit 'cause we didn't have the heavy rains. So to make it to where the waters from Johnson in that that specific intersection to go traveling um I guess that's north towards the lake is not a feasible uh

1:35:40plan. And I only know because my son lives right off of there. And It still floods. So the o like I did say, um The other problem we have is Five two seconds. Quickly. Okay. Um because once the road is paved, it's already a speedway for travelers and people that cut through. We have children that ride their bikes. to uh Gulf Highlands Elementary and people do like to walk. It is pitch black at night and there's not

1:36:10any sidewalk or room on the sides. for people to get off the road if oncoming traffic is coming. So if they plan on doing the drainage, as they say, with the old plan of swales, People won't have a place to walk or even dart if they happen to be full of water. And it makes it unsafe for people to travel without a sidewalk. So when I asked um what would you do in order to do it so you wouldn't be ruining somebody else's work. You would need to do the drainage

1:36:41first, then the sidewalk, then the road. Otherwise you're tearing up an existing road or bringing concrete trucks on a brand new road to do sidewalks. Okay. Um so I

1:36:52really would implore that. How how are we doing sidewalks on this road? It's not a arterial collector road. So how was it

1:37:00counting?

1:37:05The part that's considered Gulf Highlands actually has sidewalks up until Rampart. I just I don't so

1:37:11unless this is a collect is this Okay, thank you very much. Ainsie's gonna come up and answer some questions.

1:37:18Um in terms of drainage, we have looked into drainage. We are finalizing a comprehensive drainage plan. I met with Ms. Garten on Friday and we explored um all that we're doing and we're finalizing that. Um she brought up some points and we'll be addressing those. In terms of sidewalk, we have spoken to um C D BG Community Development Block Grant. and um they're willing to explore uh funding uh the sidewalk. I'm working on the final um details, but that's part of the plan for this project.

1:37:49This is not a collector or an arterial. So okay. It's a cut through.

1:37:54It is it qualifies as a cut through.

1:37:56Okay. Uh

1:37:57Commissioner Mariano? So the cut through was what qualified it for the fifty percent. Yes, that's why you add the reduction. Right.

1:38:03Okay.

1:38:03Um I mean we tried to do the sidewalk project. I thought it was gonna be put into the paving assessment as well, but that I guess that didn't happen. You'd have to do it separately for the people just on Johnson. But if you can do C D B G I think it's a great idea. Um We did some other work in East Brown Acres not too far away. The drainage I w obviously want to see that done first. We were out there looking at a few different things. I'd like you to take her suggestions about If we have that property on On Johnson Road that can take drainage if it works, great. Uh

1:38:34I think there's even another parcel around the corner. It's a bigger parser around the corner that's a good thing.

1:38:41not really developable but it might might help as well. So I and I think we've talked about this already, so I would like to see maybe a presentation done on on it. I'm going to support this thing going forward, because this road has been waiting a long time. It's going to be critical for traffic. being able to go two different ways right along nineteen getting across. So I think it is important. I think because it does get paid it'll get m used more. Um There was no more public comment, correct?

1:39:06Uh is there

1:39:11If there's any more, if there's anyone else wishing to speak to this item, you have to come up to the mic right now. And if this is the only person and there's no is there anyone online?

1:39:20Uh

1:39:21not for this

1:39:21item.

1:39:22This will be our last speaker on this item. Thank you.

1:39:25Good afternoon. My name is John Cain. I live at [address removed], which is part of this project. I've been there for thirty six years. There is a lift station which is represented as a little tiny white square. on scallop. and Johnson Road. adjacent to that property is a large blue square. that has become overgrown. Actually um we have uh Homeless

1:39:56living there. Why couldn't that area be turned into a retention area? Slash park And alleviate some of the drainage issues that are downstream into Gulf Highlands, which we spend A lot of county tax dollars taking trucks and sucking that lake and bringing it uphill and dumping.

1:40:22Hmm. Okay. Commissioner Mariano.

1:40:26Yeah, the the uh the lake that we used to do that with, um vector trucks, et cetera. Just right above Ashwood there. Um, Mr. Carbella. come up with a brilliant idea years ago about there's actually a pipe that actually takes the water up north. since he's taken it up it actually drains out fairly well uh the scallop drive property We'll look at that. We did some improvements on there as well. We can take a look at that. But I think his idea about looking at that parcel is a great idea. I've looked at it before as far as a lot of it is um wetland area. So sitting

1:40:56low, there's autos around that could be uh additional, but I think that's a good idea. So I am going to make approval of the project with the drainage ideas mentioned by both residents, one for the big square there, the other for actually Pasco utilities. If there is another parcel along Johnson Road that works, let's go do that with a comprehensive drainage plan. And I would like to see staff as well bring back a streetlight assessment.

1:41:25Mm-hmm.

1:41:26Second. And that large blue box is privately owned? Yeah. Correct. At this time.

1:41:33He had mentioned. Okay. Um I I had one question. Is this a full depth Uh project or is this a Different kind of project. Is it full depth reclamation or is that not needed here?

1:41:48Okay. Okay. Um all right, so we have a uh motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay, thank you very much.

1:41:58Thank you all for coming.

1:42:01What number was that?

1:42:03That was seventy-five.