Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment (Consent) - CPAS22(23) Pine Ridge Little/Ross – Providing for a Small-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment to the Future Land Use Map (Map 2-15 And Sheet 10) From COM (Commercial) And RES-9 (Residential-9 Du/Ga) to RES-9 (Residential-9 Du/Ga) on Approximately 26.20 Acres of Real Property Located on the North Side of Ross Lane Approximately .18 Miles East of the Little Road and Ross Lane intersection.
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Staff recommendation
Approve
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PDD-23-0100 in full →PDD-23-0100 was taken up 3 times between Mar 16, 2023 and May 18, 2023, continued 1 time — this is appearance 1.
- Mar 16, 2023PlanningPC3▶No disposition in the minutesthis item
- Apr 18, 2023BoardP50▶Continued
- May 18, 2023PlanningPC3▶No disposition in the minutes
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Right, so the following item is PC three and that will be presented by Eve Rose Stevens.
Okay, thank you.
Good afternoon. This is Eve Stevens, Planner One from Long Range Planning.
Presenting PDD 230100, a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment in the name of CPASS 2223, Pine Ridge, Little Ross. The subject site is located in the West Market area.
The applicant is proposing a future land use amendment on 26.20 acres from commercial in Res IX to a Res 9. The subject property is located On the north side of Ross Lane, approximately point one eiles east of the Little Road and Ross Lane intersection. A resolution to the applicant's proposal is to amend flu map two-fifteen and sheet ten. There is an accompanying
rezoning in the name of RZ7698 Next Metro Little and Ross M PUD.
The following policies support the proposed amendment. Policy flu 143, transitional land uses. Policy Flu 811, the West Market Area Establishment. Policy Hsg One One Two, the Comprehensive Plan Amendment.
The following policies highlight how an amendment to comflu would not be supported in the comprehensive plan. Policy flu 161, commercial development. Policy Flu 162, Location of Commercial Development, and Policy Flu 164, Neighbourhood Commercial Uses.
The site location.
And then this is existing future land use. And as you can see, the teal portion is the commercial portion of this site.
The proposed future land use.
And the zoning.
Staff recommended that the local planning agency find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan. And to recommend approval to the Board of County Commissioners.
Okay. Do we have any questions?
All right. Thank you, Rise.
Good afternoon, staff member Barbara Wilheite. Oh, wait a minute. Barbara Wilhite, Barbara Wilheite, PA, 6327 Graham Boulevard. Good afternoon again. The reason why we're here is for a comprehensive plan amendment. The property has a split comprehensive plan between COM COM and RES 9. The com is commercial property or there is a commercial property all along our frontage along Little Road that's being developed commercially. So we're really just a cleaning up here. We're
cleaning up to make the res Commercial, what it is, along Little, and having Res9 behind it as a transition to the single family. It's already approved for more traffic. Our land uses and zoning on this parcel already approved for more traffic than than this project will generate. um because of the commercial that's on their zoning now. When I look at from a land use perspective, when I look at a piece of property and you see something that fits, this fits.
It's an infill located near the intersection of arterial and collector roadways. It's in the urban concentration area in the West Market area. You can walk and bike to the County Government Center, the VA, PHSC, restaurant, shopping. served by four existing bus routes, four bus stops. The frontage along Little Road is already the commercial, additional commercial because there's quite a bit of commercial already at this intersection. And my client proposes to do a luxury rental community, it's single story. with detached and attached
homes, which is a very nice transition to the single family to the east. I know our neighbors are here. They're concerned, and they have obviously can speak for themselves. I think their major concern is Ross Lane, and we are familiar with that issue. We'll let them speak, of course, and see if they have any other things we might need to address. But Steve Henry is here, and Steve represents both projects: the commercial project in front of us, and this project, so he's familiar with Ross Lane and the traffic. and the traffic light that's
proposed for there. So let's let the residents speak and I'm interested in hearing what they're saying. Make sure we can address their concerns. We are just at land use. We're gonna bring an MPD forward. to the transportation issues and traffic issues are really a MPUD issue, but I'm glad we're having this this hearing so we can hear their concerns, make sure we get them addressed in the MPUD and and meet as necessary in but in between. Thank you.
Barbara, there's a comment in the write up about workforce housing and requesting a ten percent set aside for workforce housing. Is that Something the applicant is proposing to do or not do it.
Economic growth a month or two ago started making that comment on a couple of my projects. I don't know if anybody else had them on their projects, but we had a meeting actually scheduled for the day after I got that comment with a work group of the county. Actually, I had initiated this work group about workforce and affordable housing about a year ago. And we've been meeting and talking about how to address affordable and workforce housing in Pasco. By everybody at that meeting, including economic growth, that this wouldn't be done on a project-by-project basis with people
at the end of their project and they're getting ready for hearings, because that's what happened to my two projects. Um, this would be addressed. early on in projects to see what opportunities there are and also as well as formal policy being set by the county.
Okay. Somebody may want to ask economic growth if they wanna withdraw that comment and remove it from the Agenda because it's it's somewhat confusing
I would agree.
Because I can't it makes it unclear whether this project is or is not going to have
workforce
housing.
And Mr. Engel said after that meeting that I had with this whole group that he would be withdrawing those comments because he was working on the the larger effort. So I'm not sure what happened with the paperwork but It's still
in there, that's why I
saw it
asking the question. So if the comment's been withdrawn, it needs to be removed from the agenda.
Agreed. Thank you.
Mr. Chair has stated there's some folks to speak on this item. We've got um costus To to to Slackis and also um Miss Beth Vogel.
Right? Good afternoon. My name is Kostusk Destakis. I live at Crescent Forest. I've been um I built my home there twenty-eight years ago. I moved down from Massachusetts. And sometimes I get afraid that the things that I escape from I'm seeing again. Uh I have met
Star, could you just give us your official address?
Yeah, [address removed].
Thank you very much.
I've met with Barbara about a year ago. We were discussing what was going on in in the front. I uh gave him some of our uh problems there in regards to uh to the light, in regards to to the blockades that it was done by the developer of the VA without um asking anybody, including uh the county And that has resulted to a lot of accidents, a lot of people getting hurt, and a a nightmare to go in and out or go up the street and take um 180 degree turns. Um
I've met before the meeting today. Some of my uh what we're talking about uh in light and the expansion of uh of Ros Lane was addressed uh to my satisfaction, but still We have one major issue enough. time to notify us and to notifiers All of us in the back there were about seventy homes between uh Crescent Forest And Rose Lane. We don't want to hear from one neighbor who got a letter that something is happening. We want
to be a Included, we wanna see signs. When I dealt with the nuclear industry many years ago and we had to do any type of construction, we had to present the whole area with signs. This is gonna change zoning, this is what we're gonna do. We had to hold meetings, we had to ask you know questions and go accordingly to what The residents wanted to do. We didn't want to make their life miserable. So please, in the future, I
know I've been saying this since laws started to be built out there, we need signs. We need to be notified. Nobody needs, you know, reads any of the papers anymore. Um we need to know and we need to to get together with the developers in regards to uh buffet zones. In regards to the impact during you know, construction Any regards to anything else that is gonna impact our lives. We spend a lot of money. I came down from Massachusetts. I could
have bought seven acres on the outside With the money that I spent for a single lot in there. It has to be a little bit of a consideration and we need to meet with them. And Barbara agrees with me that you know you know meetings are good. in regards to what we would like to see. There's a lot of other issues that I can't go through in in uh you know uh three minutes, but please let us know what is going on. According to the law, a sign needs to
be posted when any type of zoning or changes are taking place. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Mr. Chairman
Mariano. this pre post date or This was after our change of the code, which does require the posting of a sign, so um Confused where we're getting that comment.
Yeah, uh Barbara Woolheight we posted the sign, we have a picture of it. We sent it to staff, we sent the letters out, we did all those things. Letters only go within five hundred feet, so you we always have that issue of some of the neighborhood gets them, some of them doesn't. But Regardless of all that.
Where wh where was the sign posted?
Well let me get the let me dig through my file here, but I can look at that, but I just want to say that we were happy to meet with um with them. We met before and my client advised that he had met with them previously but not recently. So we can certainly do that. But let me dig through my file on the notice and
Yeah, yeah, that'd be good and helpful if we could see that, please.
Next person is a little bit more.
Hi, good afternoon. I'm Elizabeth Vogel, [address removed]. There was no sign. I drive by every day I live there. There's no sign there hasn't been a sign. As I said, we live directly across the street. We're not in a subdivision. Um is there going to and as far as the traffic in and out, we already have issues with the VA people coming in the morning with the traffic.
Everyone there's already a traffic light on King Healy. If we could divert the traffic that way. There's only one way in and one way out on Ross Lane. Um I think that would help divert the traffic away, those I don't know, 400 units, on to King Healy would be more. um sustainable than hitting Ross Lane. also a barrier. Is there A wall barrier going up to protect us from those 400 some units.
Um the people on Ross Lane, I can't speak for the peace of people of Crescent Forest. They seem okay with what's going on. Um but we already have people trafficking all day long taking walks down our road. We have animals, livestock, and they're constantly walking up and down the road. Never mind the traffic is is already an issue. For some reason That road used to be in and out, left and right. Now it's just the one way you have to turn right. But I've noticed throughout everyone's development. right lane only is the new thing, except in front of the government
center. We don't need a traffic light. Again, there's already one on King Healy.
Units. There's you're not speaking right now, sir. King Healy already has a traffic light if they could divert the traffic that way.
Um again if we could have some type of a barrier, if there is a barrier intended, we don't know. Is she gone? She left. She left the
building.
Okay. Um
she's here.
I guess that's it. But again, there is no sign for this development. There hasn't been. Okay, that's it. Thank you.
Could we put the map up, ma'am, if you could say or actually, ma'am? Ma'am, if you could if we put the map up, could you show us exactly where your house is on the on the map, please? Um do we have the aerial?
I'm just south.
Do
we have a pointer or not?
Yeah, okay. Can we walk over to you? Yeah,
that's a that should work. Thank you.
Yeah.
Right. Here. That's my parcel. These two are my parcels.
But again, if there's a barrier, I don't know if she has a barrier intended but to block us from the view of these units.
Yeah, we'll uh she'll address that when she comes back up. Thank you.
So Mr. Chair, there's one other person that signed up to speak and that's Daniel Sissel.
Okay.
Afternoon. Thank you for taking my uh questions and Statements. Um so I lived there for about three years now and I'm since seeing the development going down. Danielle, I'm sorry. I I just need your full name and [address removed]. Great. Thank you very much. Been there for three years and I'm seeing all this stuff developing, the VA, all that kind of stuff. They took away the Straight out from uh trying to get across a little road. Um That's
not even half the problem. If you look at I've sent pictures to every Environmental Environmentalist um grup No one answer ever answers my question my my phone or never return my phone. They never answer the phone. I've got all these pictures of endangered species. You have tortoises I have them on my phone. And I've got those other ugly looking crane things. Um
That are out there too. That's one of our re re one of the things. What do you think happens When everything's all gone out of way Yeah, they just I'm not the biggest environmental wackl here. I'm a very conservative guy. But We should be re respecting
who are invad or are inaction there. So um that's one of the questions, one of the things statements. And I have documentations that I sent to letters, not one received phone call. Back. I think there's this uh made up Uh organization. Um just uh Spend our money. And our taxes. Uh the other thing is Less than f I want to say about less than fifty percent were notified
by a letter for this organization. So we have less people here. So probably it doesn't look so bad. That's a big concern. Because I do a little survey. I'm an analytic. I worked for Baushanam for 42 years, very analytical. Um person. And I have actually put Together uh spreadsheet. Of how many people actually I've talked to that didn't receive And I'm trying to tell them. That
we need to Be notified So we can have more participation. Every seat would be And plus it's uh it's uh if you can do it after everybody gets out of work. I happen to take off work today. So I can meet this. So Um Plus. Now you've got water problems. We've already got a lake that overflows and we've always had problems. You're adding now Two hundred and five more units.
Add that to a a puddle water and where you think that water goes, it's a easy demonstration. Um
In just the traffic. only just coming out our dead end street. Some of the development. Oh, I didn't know you guys had a dead end street. Read the sign, it's right there. We're gonna have so many turnarounds.
And our pri our our private streets are gonna be Messed up.
Can staff put up an aerial so I can see the pond you're talking about?
What's that?
car parking lot where an alligator was going underneath the fence into there and if you look in there is a there is a waterway in there. My our pond is right behind my house.
I'm on the first call de sac and it's right there. We don't have any alligators there yet. But I'm sure there'll be all coming. If you put that thing in the spray.
Well, I'm confused. You don't like alligators, but you want to save all the gopher tortoises. I said so you're take making a choice go for tortoises over alligators or they're both protected species.
No, they're gonna only invade us. And while I can't even have I I have my son's dog.
Sir Sir you can't you can't speak you can't speak from there.
Mm.
If
you get a a dog or anything around there Even if you get a fence, they go underneath the fences. It's not a problem. I love the the animals and stuff and they should have be but you're crowding them out. And they're gonna go into where it's danger to other s people.
But weren't they dislocated when your neighborhood got built? I
don't know.
I wasn't here.
Ninety five? I wasn't
here. Well I was.
Okay. And there was
nothing there. So I'm guessing there were animals
there that got
displaced.
They didn't get displaced, it just moved in. Stay there. Well they got moving on to the right-of-way.
Well the
land is already designated for this type of development already. Their o their request is to get rid of the commercial portion.
So I'm trying to figure out how that makes an impact.
that this area that's been very private, a lot of people it's just like a a hidden gem. All right. Now we're gonna develop it and put two hundred and five. Go ahead.
Barbara Wellheit, you have a long agenda today. We have no problem continuing this. These are our neighbors. We intend to be good neighbors. We've met before. I met with them before. We like to go ahead and get a continuance and we'll meet with them and then come back. It's a small scale amendment. Continuing today is not gonna make a difference with our when our MPUD gets approved. We'd like to meet with you.
Okay, good. So I gotta show you all the damn pictures.
And we did we did post. Staff has the people
has the scene.
We posted it. We'll make sure we post again. A lot of times people take down those those signs. But uh and we'll notify the whole neighborhood. I only have to do five hundred feet, that's why people only get port partial notice. But we can fix that. And we'd like to meet with our neighbors and exchange information to hopefully streamline our hearings in the future. So if you could continue us a month or
We would
appreciate
that. That would that would be April twentieth at one thirty. Okay if you would
Is there anybody else here to speak?
We need to speak, you need to come up to the microphone.
Back into your newness.
Yes. But I guess bef we want to just bring up a couple last things.
Need your name and address.
My name is Sarah Vogel, [address removed].
Any events warrant?
What's that?
You did swear in, right?
Yes.
Okay.
Okay. So we have a concern with drainage. Um Uh Dan sort of mentioned, um, the more you build, what's your plan? Ridge Road extension kinda screwed Ross Lane with the drainage. We now flood the The VA You built that. Now we flood some more, uh so when we have hurricanes specifically. our dead end street we cannot get in and out of because of all
the water. Again, our road is a dead end. So having no access to us would be fantastic. Uh with this neighborhood? Another big problem we've had since especially the VA, and I know this will get worse once they start developing. Is our crime rate? Again, we were this little nothing of a neighborhood. Nobody knew we existed. Insul a couple years ago. And our crime rate has gone up. We've had vehicles stolen, equipment
stolen. We are an agricultural area. We have livestock, trailers, et cetera. Which I'm sure you can imagine is very expensive. Having those things vandalized and stolen has been a huge problem. So we want to make sure those are addressed as well.
That is
that.
Yep. And again, there was no sign.
All right.
Are you signed up, ma'am?
Hi, my name is Jan Amos and we live at [address removed]. Um it's the house right behind the development. Um we are new residents there. We've only been there since November and I've learned of this development going in. I am a realtor in the area as well, local realtor. Um I do have some concerns about the community. Um it's a rental community and I don't feel that it fits in with the um neighborhood that's
directly behind it, which I consider is a higher end um gated community. Um with that Rental communities typically have a little bit uh Um affects the affects your property values, I would say. Purchasing a home what we thought was green space behind it or gonna be green space behind it. It's now it's not. I want to know what kind of buffer there's going to be, what kind of setback, uh,
what kind of wall. I'm also concerned about the trash. Where are the dumpsters gonna be? We're right behind. I know dumpsters. Have rats, mice, noise, smells, We have two hundred and four or two hundred and five housing units. Approximately 400 cars coming and going, the noise that's going to produce from all of this is going to affect our lives in that neighborhood very much, as
well as the flooding issues that everybody's talked about. So those are my main concerns about Approving. it to go forward and to know what kind of buffer we're gonna have, what kind of setback if it can be increased so that we aren't having housing developments and a rental community in a wall right behind our house within a few feet.
David. Thank you. Ma'am, could you come back for a second? I just want you to understand the process. I was gonna ask the county attorney if he would explain to you How this process works. Today we're looking at the land use and we're looking at an amendment to our county's comprehensive growth plan. They'll be coming back. with a zoning on this property, probably an MPUD zoning, which all of the questions that you're asking will get answered at that time. They'll
have a more defined plan at that time to address those types of issues. Today is just looking at the big picture. of the type of development that's allowed and what this case is about. Is Part of this property is designated for future commercial development. And they would like to make it entirely residential. So that's what we're here to evaluate today. All of the things you're asking about will come back at another hearing at a
later date.
Okay.
I think you said it accurately. I don't need to add to that.
Did you repeat that for us? Yeah. Told you
I was gonna be the county
attorney. Wanna say here? No.
Okay, very good. Anyone else? Don't want to leave anybody out. Okay. So we have a request by the applicant For a continuance.
Yeah, we're just gonna change the date on that. I believe the applicant is gonna wanna need more time for a neighborhood meeting. So the proposed date is May 18th at 130 here in Newport Ritchie.
May eighteenth, okay. Um
Can I just ask one question?
Did you find out where you put the sign?
They could see it. But we'll make sure we sign it. We'll make sure we put extra signs up.
Yeah.
For whatever reason,
wherever you put it last time, some people didn't
see it. So
we need to make sure we're putting it
in a
location that everybody can see it.
Yes.
Radius. can be a problem and I th I think we're gonna address that at some future.
Is there a neighborhood association for crescent oaks? The homeowners association.
Yes, but the uh Don't get involved.
Well the question is Barbie, do that does the HOA get a notification
Not automatically.
We will notice I put on the record here. I we will notice everybody. We'll notice everybody. We'll have a community m community meeting with everybody back there. It's Ross Lane in and the home is back there, the home is back there and we'll make sure everybody's noticed and and we get 'em to a community meeting and we'll get them notice of the hearings and We'll make sure we do that and we'll sign it. We'll look at it where we signed it, make sure it's better. We'll do all that.
Okay. We can't s I'm sorry you can't speak from the floor. And how is staff doing with the the larger signs?
We'd be here till tomorrow if we did that.
Amy Hile with Long Range Planning. Um, as of the signage, I'm not sure where we're at with that, so I'm sorry we can find an answer to that. Um, but I did want to speak to the affidavit of public notice that was confirmed for March 2nd. It was sent out to about 46 people, um, and the signs were posted along the wired fence that's at the intersection of Ross and Little.
Okay. Thank you, Amy. Appreciate it. All right. So there's been a request for continuance so they can give better notification and Have a meeting with the residents. I think that's a Fair request. So uh
I'll move to continue item P C three to May eighteenth.
A second. You have a motion and a second. Any further discussion on that motion? If not, all in favor signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed, like, sign. Okay.