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An Ordinance By The Pasco County Board of County Commissioners Amending the Pasco County Land Development Code Section 602, J. “Ben” Harrill Villages of Pasadena Hills Stewardship District, Revisions To Exhibits 602-A, 602-B, 602-D and 602-E, And Amending Other Sections, As Necessary, For Internal Consistency, Providing for Applicability, Repealer, Severability, Inclusion Into The Land Development Code, And An Effective Date.

Proposed Ordinances at 1:30 p.m.PDD-24-0041District 1

What the county recorded

Published agenda

Staff recommendation

No Action Required

Approved minutes

DispositionNo action

No action was required as this was the first Public Hearing. The adoption hearing was scheduled for the January 9, 2024 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in Dade City.

The source document

Published agenda

The county’s agenda for Board of County Commissioners, Nov 14, 2023

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Approved minutes

The county’s minutes for Board of County Commissioners, Nov 14, 2023

The published PDF, as served by the county. This item is one entry in it.

This case, across meetings

PDD-24-0041 in full →

PDD-24-0041 was taken up 5 times between Oct 18, 2023 and Jan 23, 2024, continued 1 time — this is appearance 3.

  1. Oct 18, 2023PlanningP6No disposition in the minutes
  2. Nov 2, 2023PlanningPC11No disposition in the minutes
  3. Nov 14, 2023BoardP94No actionthis item
  4. Jan 9, 2024BoardP54Continued
  5. Jan 23, 2024BoardP39Adopted

What was said

Transcript

Machine transcription of 8m of recording, with speaker names inferred from voice matching. 97% of 72 lines carry a name. It shows what was said, not what was decided, and both the words and the names can be wrong.

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Jack MarianoChair

back. When he goes back, we'll change. All right, P ninety four, we're approve.

Ron OakleyVice Chair

Yes, Mr. Chairman P ninety four was published in Tampa Bay Times on October 4th, 2023, in my affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

Denise

Right, item P94 is the companion to P93. You're expanding the boundary of uh Pasadena Hills, villages Pasadena Hills area, so you have to modify the land development code uh to effectuate that. Uh today um there's no action required. This is the first reading on the item. Um the adoption is scheduled for January 9, 2024. This was presented to the Pasadena Hills Planet Policy. Committee on 1018 of 23 and to the Planning Commission who found it consistent with a comprehensive

plan on 112 of 2023. It's PDD 240041, which is an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners, amending the Pasco County Land Development Code, Section 602, J. Ben Harrow Villages of Pasadena Hills, Stewardship Districts, revisions to exhibits 602A, 602B, 602D, 602. and amend and amending other sections as necessary for internal consistency, providing for applicability, repealer, severability, inclusion into land development code and an effective date. Again, please accept public comment. No action is required. As

this is the first reading, the adoption is set for 1-9 of 24 at 130 in Date City.

Jack MarianoChair

Okay. Any questions for staff? Hmm. No. Okay. There's a public hearing. Anyone here to speak to item P ninety four?

Ron OakleyVice Chair

I have no one signed up and no one on WebEx for P ninety four.

Jack MarianoChair

Okay. We shall close public comment to the board. Move approved.

Unidentified speakerVoice A

No. No, this is this was your first public hearing. You don't Oh we don't have to have a month action.

No action required.

Denise

I I have I have a question.

Second hearing is one nine of twenty-four accord according to my colleague Gavin Covey.

Kathryn Starkey

'Cause we're looking at the master roadway plan map here. And um I know that Clinton is a state road now, not

Ron OakleyVice Chair

right?

Kathryn Starkey

Not

Ron OakleyVice Chair

Cl well Clinton is, but this is McKay part of the

Kathryn Starkey

Well it's the part that doesn't have a multi-use trail on it. Part of this, you know, was left out of the the multi-use trail was not built. But I wanna make sure that it's memorialized here somewhere that that that isn't it isn't that

Ron OakleyVice Chair

Orange Belt Trail is coming in on

Kathryn Starkey

County Road. It's in Orangebelt.

The Clinton Avenue extension. Um but the Is the map this road here?

Ron OakleyVice Chair

We're not it

Kathryn Starkey

does that go through here or do I have that mist am I mistaken? Yeah.

Ron OakleyVice Chair

This road we've been talking about is McCabe and it goes to

Kathryn Starkey

No I I've not talked about that road It's it Are we just going to be able to do that? That's fifty two.

Gavin Covey

That's state road fifty two.

Kathryn Starkey

Are we modifying this at all?

Gavin Covey

We are only adding the additional parcels from the Hamilton Oaks M PUDs. So we're not modifying any typicals or anything else. No, we're really just adding those additional parcels into the into the district.

Kathryn Starkey

And McKay fronts on what road?

Ron OakleyVice Chair

State Road fifty two. It goes from the interstate all the way to Prospect Road.

Kathryn Starkey

It's it's the uh our problem child is gonna be from Prospect to 301. Because we don't have the right-of-way

Ron OakleyVice Chair

and that's that's Clinton Avenue.

Kathryn Starkey

Right. So we have the right-of-way to put that multi-use in. on the north side of Clinton from Curley to Prospect. Where I think we're gonna have to come across the street and go on the south side is from Prospect to 301.

Jack MarianoChair

Can

Kathryn Starkey

we put this up on

Jack MarianoChair

a map so we can look at this?

Kathryn Starkey

And so anyone who's coming in for development on the south side of 52 from Prospect to 301, we need to be making sure we're getting enough right away. to fix that mistake. Because I think it'd be really expensive to put it on the north side because they have that concrete wall, right? They have that that there's a big wall.

Ron OakleyVice Chair

I'm gonna go do the L's fraction.

that's McCabe there where the concrete wall is.

Kathryn Starkey

When on that tri went on that route with D O T It looked very difficult to put it on the north side. And it was said that they thought we'd have to is someone putting up the map? Yeah, that's someone. We'd have to come on to the south side. And I I have no

Ron OakleyVice Chair

idea if we showed any ship. I drive that way but I don't pay attention to the

Kathryn Starkey

outside

Ron OakleyVice Chair

of that road. No.

Kathryn Starkey

So

Ron OakleyVice Chair

I'll skip well.

Kathryn Starkey

Um so where's Prospect?

Alright, so

Ron OakleyVice Chair

And that walls back to the to the west.

Kathryn Starkey

Yeah, to the east.

Ron OakleyVice Chair

No. Not the wall.

Kathryn Starkey

They said they had the right-of-way that where they thought they could come in and put it back in. between Curley and Prospect. And I'm sorry, Adam I know Tina's our our person who else here knows about trails in the county. Who's your road person that would know this, Mike?

Alright, so Because it stopped at curly, unbeknownst to all of us. Um there From what I understand there's room on the north side. between from curly to prospect, but we run into trouble from prospect to three oh one. And so we just need our planners and our staff just needs to know that anything that comes in on the south side From Prospect Three O One we just need a little more space.

Jack MarianoChair

Okay.

Kathryn Starkey

Otherwise it dead ends at Prospect. And the idea is to connect it to the trail that connects to Zephyrhills and Dade City. At three oh one.

Ron OakleyVice Chair

I don't know where you're talking about a wall though on on Prospect to three oh one?

Kathryn Starkey

I'm talking about continuing that multi-use path. To make sure it connects to the three oh one trim.

Ron OakleyVice Chair

Right.

Kathryn Starkey

And it it it has a problem from prospect to three oh one to be on the north side like the rest of it is

Mike Carballa

Yes, correct. The the multi-use path that was built in conjunction with F DOT terminates right around by it's prospect I'm sorry at Curley. Um if you pay if you if you look as you're driving you'll see it on the north side of the road. There's a there's a wide multi-use path. It stops at Curley, but there what the commissioner is saying is is that there is enough land on the north side to continue that trail all the way to prospect. At Prospect, however, there is limited right-of-way on the north side. And what the commissioner is asking is as we go through the plans

for properties and parcels that abut McCabe State Road 52 uh is to make sure that there's an accommodation for multi-use path on the south side. So there would have to be a crossing of of State Road 52 to the south side and to continue that. So that way the multi-use path can continue from Prospect to Highway 301.

Ron OakleyVice Chair

Yeah I I wouldn't think there was enough room on the north side, but I don't know. No. What's causing the problem?

Kathryn Starkey

Retention wall that's very high. Well

Ron OakleyVice Chair

retention wall.

Kathryn Starkey

Yeah, and it's high.

Mike Carballa

It's just built with the it was the construction of of the road and the the alignment and it was just a technical Matter.

Ron OakleyVice Chair

But the retention wall is on the I Freddy parcel that comes through That's McCabe. Before you get to Prospect, that's where a retention wall is.

Jack MarianoChair

If I could

Ron OakleyVice Chair

if I

Jack MarianoChair

could

recommend all that, you can't do that.

Mike Carballa

Commissioner, you're yes ma'am, your point's well taken.

Jack MarianoChair

Let me draw this to a close because we've got a lot of things going on right now. And I just wanted to make sure I was understanding right, but the new State Road 52, call it McCabe, call it Clinton. It's the same road. I just was making sure I wasn't misunderstanding what you were both talking about. I see it now clearly it's what I thought it was. Uh so I think it's probably a good idea as we've we're seeing and we heard the mayor from San Antonio come today. Let's go talk about what's going on in that road. I know we got alternatives we're looking at, so it might be good to get advanced of a full public hearing, but maybe Maybe

start a discussion amongst us as a workshop or some sort um to talk about what's going on in this whole area 'cause uh it's definitely confusing from from what I'm s seeing and hearing at this point.