An Ordinance Amending The Pasco County Comprehensive Plan: Providing For Text and Table Revisions For The Villages Of Pasadena Hills (VOPH) Comprehensive Plan Goal FLU 6: Allow Increase Of Land Area In Village Cores Of Villages B and C, Increase Maximum Residential Conversions, And Add Conditions To Transfer Unused Densities To Village Cores, And Providing For Additional Text Amendments As Necessary For Internal Consistency; Providing For A Repealer, Severability, And An Effective Date.

26:54P-57 is advertised in the Tampa Bay Times August 2, 2023, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

27:04Uh this item is an ordinance amending the Pasco County Conference of Plan providing for tax and table revisions for the villages of Pasadena Hills, DOPH, conference and plan goal flu six, allow increase of land area in village cores of villages B and C, increase maximum residential conversions, and add conditions to transfer unused den cities to village cores, and providing for additional tax amendments as necessary. For internal consistency, providing for repealer serverability and an effective date. This comes to the the Port of County Commissioner

27:34with recommendations for approval and adoption of the ordinance by roll callboard.

27:41Yes.

27:50conditions that might not generally be put in place to make sure they're gonna be in place. Like trails out in front and other transportation issues. And kind of work those in. So if you're gonna stretch that density out somewhere else, then you've got the capacity to stretch out the trails and whatever else to connect.

28:06Yeah, the uh the con the typical conditions that we would have for development for trails and making sure that they have the capacity to service the development, they'll be there. These these uh amendments here are to essentially increase the amount of allowable land designated as village center. So your the The DOPH plan currently constricts the village center to be 25% of the whole village, and then this will increase that village center to 35%. And so yes,

28:37those uh that infrastructure will also uh expand into that additional 10% we're adding.

28:45Okay. I don't have anyone time. I have some questions.

28:50Hey I'm I'm I'm all for, you know, the increased entities to help the villages be viable, but I I have a a question I asked this uh the administrator when we were meeting yesterday. My my fear Is that we're gonna have An apartment complex. Then an apartment complex, and then an apartment complex. And they all have their own entrances and you can't get it's just Apartment complex apart instead of I i is it designed

29:20so there's a road network and and there's just density in front of those roads or is it just little self contained apartment complexes lining the roads? Because that's not a really a village.

29:34Well uh it's hard to speak to it theoretically, um but we have worked on projects in the county where we line the roads with the multifamily apartment buildings.

29:49And the road's contiguous and you and so You see what I'm I'm nervous about?

29:54Yeah, so a lot of that is covered in the MPUD negotiations that we uh that we do. Identify yourself for the record, please. I'm so sorry. I'm Gavin Covey Planning and Development. Um so a lot of that is handled during the MPUD stage. Um we negotiate with the uh applicants to make sure that we're getting our village centers and not just apartment complex, apartment complex, apartment complex. And our uh master roadway plan makes sure that that we have our village centers have those uh large sidewalks with the zero setbacks and all that stuff for the commercial buildings and stuff as well. So yeah, all of that is kind of handled at

30:24the the zoning phase.

30:26Um

30:28We worked on this with um Mr. Two when we did the Odessa Village Overlay Plan or whatever we call it. Um the apartment complex has road like interior roads going through it. And the apartment buildings are pulled up to the roads. Uh and they're they're not, you know, busy roads, they're int interior neighborhood roads, but we designed it so it's It's

30:59um more like a a a town feel than a apartment complex, apartment complex, apartment complex. It'll be to our detriment to do to not have them have that feel. So just really want to call that allergy.

31:17Okay.

31:18Of course. Yes. I know back in twenty nineteen this program that fulfilled the T and D D aspects the V O B A. Does the T and D aspect does that accomplish what Commissioner Starkey's describing?

31:31It can. Yeah. Um We are currently revising the T and D ordinance that is in our land development code. So we actually have a revised draft that we received uh shortly before the Christmas break. So we're working on that right now. But it it's possible that T and D can accomplish that, yes.

31:50So it's it's no secret I have concerns with how these villag these villages are built out. So What's I heard Gavin, but what's our assurances that The the quality of the villages aren't eroded away and we don't have examples of what Commissioner Starkey has described. There's not walkability. It's just you know cloggy, it's not aesthetically pleasing.

32:18Yeah, we have the condition well well we have the provisions of the land development code to rely on. And we also have the advantage that a lot of the entitlement that are to be m given or made in V OPH they have to come through as M PUDs. So we have the ability to condition and negotiate like Gavin was uh discussing. On top of that, we are, like I said, uh revising the TND code itself, and hopefully we'll be bringing that back to the board soon,

32:48uh, such that the TND ordinance that we that we have can be more user-friendly and applicable to the current development that we're seeing today.

33:03No one has ever used it, it's so bad.

33:07Yeah, it's really bad.

33:11I don't think anyone's ever used it. We didn't do it, use it. We built long leak. We had the we got a million different um what's the word? Um variances or I don't know. The

33:23old the old term was variances, the new term is alternative standards.

33:27Alternative standards. It's one million dollar alternative standard after another.

33:31Right,

33:31right.

33:34So when when the when the new code is brought forward and approved by the board, that then will be in the Land Development Code. And then it's there's a uh for V OPH at least a policy question as to whether or not the TND mandate would return to VOPH. Yeah.

33:55Well we can we can achieve these things without putting that ordinance back in just on how you I mean it does require some kind of interconnectivity and can't we have some say on the locations of where the parking lots are and the buildings are in relation to each to the lot to to each other.

34:14Yeah, we can. Um and we're currently working on draft provisions to the Land Development Code itself to to do exactly what you're describing, Commissioner. Um and that those can be negotiated into various MPUDs as well, particularly from D OPH.

34:31I think that should be our direction.

34:36So this come up basically when we go to the zone. I'm sorry. Go to zoning and that's when this is gonna Yeah. Come to force. Okay. We'll do some studies before we get to there.

34:51Okay. Uh I have no one signed up for this item for the public. Um Is there anyone in the audience wish to speak to this item?

35:01Do we need to do anything to this? to achieve what we just said or is this not related to that? Just give it more density. Not necessarily how it looks.

35:12Okay. Mr. T wishes to come forward and speak.

35:16Yes, sir.

35:17Joel 2, [address removed]. Um this particular amendment really has no impact on the issue you're speaking to because all this amendment does is allow us to not lose. In other words, recapture density we're losing outside the village core where we're not achieving the financial plan density and being able within the same village to To make sure that could be transferred

35:48to the village core. But this amendment in no way affects design requirements. I mean you already have cross-connection requirements for every MPD, and of course you get in construction plans, and if you're not happy with the internal grid system and the cross connects, you're not going to prove those plans. Um so I think what you're talking about n is a design issue. Um Just to refresh your recollection. You already did ask that staff initiate

36:18kind of a V OPH review. uh about what density is being used, what are these villages looking like, where do we stand. And we actually have our first organizational meeting this Friday based on your direction. For the outside consultants and planners to start working with staff to try to get their arms around this. So my suggestion would be that you have staff add that to the discussion list of that review process is what controls

36:48do we really have on how the village centers are going to be laid out. and address that to the extent there there are requirements already in the enabling documents for how you have to design these villages. But if uh you're not comfortable that they're sufficient enough, that's something that could be looked at there. But but it really has nothing to do with this plan amendment. that simply allows us to use density that otherwise is going to be left. on the table and then

37:18we're not going to achieve the financial plan. density to pay for the roads and the infrastructure. That that's the concern.

37:25So uh Mr. Stu, the um The villages as they sit, they all have certain entitlements. So when we come to that plan And say there's not room or it can't be designed to be in that village, what happens to those units you can't use there? Do they

37:44charge

37:45the financial?

37:46Right. Right now they go away and get lost and we we will never get paid those development fees. So we won't that's the problem is we won't have Um the assumed density to generate the capital budget funding that's gonna be required at the end of the day. And that's why we're doing everything we can within the bounds of reason to try to ground truth and achieve the intended density. in each village, but doing it the way you have mandated, which is concentrate that village in the center

38:16and then feather it out as you go to the village edge. You know, don't get it too far out on the edge. You've got to transition and have lower density at the edges and concentration in the middle. Now the question you're raising today, what I'm hearing, is has to do with okay in that village center where we're pushing the density, what is that center going to look like? Yeah. Is it gonna be designed with a with a grid street system to the extent you can given wetlands? But but subject to wetlands and other issues, are

38:46we getting an internal grid system and are we getting interconnects to make these things look like villages? Right. And I think that's a fair a fair comment.

38:56Yeah. And those items in that are those uh units inside that village. When they get close to that village edge, they stop. They can't go past the

39:06cannot go to another see all these.

39:08If you lose them, then

39:09it's a

39:09recalculation of the numbers. You may have to pay more if you're an A.

39:13Exactly. And all of a sudden your your mobility or development fees could end up doubling. And then you stifle the market because you can't be competitive at delivering the product. Right. So that's a there are a lot of moving pieces out there. And that's why I suggested in November when this came up that that rather than just making isolated, unrelated decisions, it would be prudent, I think, now twelve, fourteen years after the fact, is let's kind of look at where we are, ground truth where you are, and get you comfortable

39:44that there is a design process moving forward so that as these things get built, they will actually look the way you envision in your minds you want it to look.

39:54Right.

39:55But we are having that first organizational meeting on Friday with Terry's team. to get started, it would be very easy to add village centered design concepts to that to-do list.

40:07Right. I think that's why it came up to the board because we're getting more happening in the village of Pasadena Hills and the Board sometimes wonders if if those um units that are gonna be in those villages are approved or did did who look at it to say it's fits 'cause we didn't necessarily know, but when it's approved by uh the Board of Villages Pasadena Hills, they're supposed to make sure and and I think Gavin has said that to me before, that they do fit.

40:37They do and every individual zoning, as we've said before, every individual zoning in a village has to also bring forward the overall village plan based on the prior approvals and demonstrate how what they're doing makes sense in relation to what else is already approved. So it is it is a continuing uh holistic approach to what the village looks like today as compared to yesterday. Right.

41:05Mr. Chairman Mariano.

41:06Yes.

41:06I think one of the things we asked staff to show us too was, you know, what have we approved? I'd like to know. where we are so far and I mean I'd like to see like a conceptual Okay, here's this and then next to it is here's that, as far as things that have started to move through. I um Wha who's the gentleman that bought a whole bunch of the villages and is doing T and D?

41:36Yeah. I'm not so worried about his neighborhoods, but um I'd be very curious t I'd I'd like to know what the heck we've approved 'cause For me it's a little confusing. We do one here and one there and so How how's it working? Are we are we achieving what we hope to achieve?

41:54I think what she's alluding to is the fact that we've asked to have um a workshop or something along with the villagers of Pasadena Hills Board. so that we're all on the same page knowing that when they approve it it fits and it's gonna end up like they say it's gonna end up. So I think that's just a reassurance this board is asking for and we've sent that message out. So I don't know when that's gonna be but uh in the near future that's that'll help us all I think. Okay.

42:24Any other questions? Is anyone here to speak to this item?

42:29I do not have anyone signed up.

42:31All right, no one signed up. Mr. Tu spoke. Okay.

42:35Second.

42:36Got a motion to approve and a second. Uh by roll call vote.

42:40District two, Commissioner Weightman. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Bradford. District 5, Commissioner Mariano.

42:48Aye.

42:48District 1, Chairman Oakley.

42:50Aye. Motion passed 4-0.

42:55Uh move on to P.