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P37AdoptedPublic hearingPublished agenda

An Ordinance Amending The Pasco County Comprehensive Plan: Providing for A Comprehensive Plan Amendment To The Future Land Use Map (Map 2-15 And Sheet 04) Changing From RES-1 (Residential 1 Du/Ga) To RES-3 (Residential 3 Du/Ga) On Approximately 38.71 Acres Of Real Property Located North Of Hudson Avenue And 1.68 Miles West of Hays Road.

Proposed Ordinances at 1:30 p.m.PDD-24-0009District 5

What the county recorded

Published agenda

Staff recommendation

Approve

Approved minutes

DispositionAdopted

Approved to adopt by roll call vote.

The source document

Published agenda

The county’s agenda for Board of County Commissioners, Jan 23, 2024

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Approved minutes

The county’s minutes for Board of County Commissioners, Jan 23, 2024

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This case, across meetings

PDD-24-0009 in full →

PDD-24-0009 was taken up 3 times between Dec 7, 2023 and Jan 23, 2024, continued 1 time — this is appearance 3.

  1. Dec 7, 2023PlanningPC18No disposition in the minutes
  2. Jan 9, 2024BoardAP142Continued
  3. Jan 23, 2024BoardP37Adoptedthis item

What was said

Transcript

Machine transcription of 14m of recording, with speaker names inferred from voice matching. 82% of 98 lines carry a name. It shows what was said, not what was decided, and both the words and the names can be wrong.

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Taken up 2 times, not once through — set aside and returned to. Each stretch is below, in the order it happened.

1/2Taken up at Afternoon session, 11:46

Madam Clerk

P 37, proof of publication, Tampa Bay Times, November 22nd, 2023, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. The item was continued from the January 9th, 2024 BCC meeting to today.

Denise

Mr. Chair, uh P thirty seven, we're gonna move that till after P forty one so that we can hear P thirty seven together with um the actual rezoning item, which is P forty eight. So if we can move on to P38, please. Okay.

2/2Taken up again at Afternoon session, 18:54

Denise

P P thirty seven. I

Unidentified speakerVoice A

apologize.

Denise

I said

Unidentified speakerVoice A

P38 by the state. You already did C C ten. Um you called for a motion on C ten. It's been approved. So we need to go back to 37.

Ron OakleyChair

Oh gotcha. Okay.

Unidentified speakerVoice A

All right, gotcha.

Ron OakleyChair

All right. So we're at what which one now?

Denise

We're at P thirty seven and then that will be followed by P forty eight.

Ron OakleyChair

Okay. All right. P thirty seven.

Madam Clerk

P-37, proof of publication, Tampa Bay Times, November 22nd, 2023, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. The item was continued from the January 9th, 2024 BCC meeting to today.

Denise

P37 is PDD 240009. Today we're asking that you take public comment and you adopt it by adopt this item by roll call vote. It's an ordinance amending the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan, providing for a comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map, map 2-15 as sheet four, changing from res one residential one dwelling units per gross acre to res three residential three dwelling units per gross acre on approximately 38.71 acres of Of real property located north of Hust Hudson Avenue and 1.68 miles west of Hayes Road. This item comes here with a recommendation

of approved that you find it consistent with the comp. The recommendation that they found it consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommend approval to the board by the local planning agency who heard this item in December of 2023. Mr. Chairman

Madam Clerk

Mariano

Denise

is that these are fifties and sixties. These are going to be fifties and sixties. Yes. Thank you.

Ron OakleyChair

Okay.

Uh anyone in the audience to speak to this item?

Jack Mariano

Mr. Chairman Mariano is there's a couple of things I want to address in the Zoning on P forty eight. Um I know it was just an adjunction, but there are some things before we did one, I'd rather do both together. So P forty eight I w I'd like to talk about that before we actually move forward with this here.

Ron OakleyChair

Doing P thirty seven right now, I believe, aren't we? Right. But the zoning amendment coming behind it.

Unidentified speakerVoice A

So I think what the commissioner is asking is that we you not take action on B thirty seven thirty-seven until you hear the rezoning and then take separate motions on thirty-seven and forty-eight once you finish the zoning hearing.

Ron OakleyChair

Move to uh P forty eight.

Madam Clerk

Uh proof of publication.

Kathryn Starkey

You've taken

Unidentified speakerVoice A

public comment on this.

Ron OakleyChair

Or we can come back

Kathryn Starkey

to public comment?

Ron OakleyChair

No, we're

not going to be able to do that.

Is there any public comment here for uh this item thirty-seven? Seeing none, we'll move on to B forty eight.

Madam Clerk

P forty-eight, proof of publication, Tampa Bay Times, November 22nd, 2023, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. The item was continued from January 9, 2024, BCC meeting to today.

Unidentified speakerVoice A

Mr. Chairman, since you're starting on your rezoning agendas, would you like me to do the procedures? Well since we draw

Ron OakleyChair

from

Unidentified speakerVoice A

yes sir,

Ron OakleyChair

I believe I'm ready. There

Unidentified speakerVoice A

are two rezoning agendas regular and consent. Staff will present each application to the Board of County Commissioners. If staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there is no opposition, the application will be considered by the Board without further presentation. if staff or planning commission has recommended denial. Or if there is opposition to the application, the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation, the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative. and the applicant will be given three

minutes for rebuttal. Any individual disagreeing with staff or planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning may at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting. Otherwise, all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote. If you wish to speak to any petition, please give your name and and address and

whether or not you've been sworn for the record. These are quasi judicial public hearing. The law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action. Please limit your comments to those criteria found within the Board's Land Development Code for rezoning. Madam Clerk, would you like to swear the public in?

Madam Clerk

Yes. Anyone wishing to speak and be sworn in, please stand.

Raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you are about to give is the truth? So help you God. When you come to the podium to speak for the record, please indicate whether you have been sworn, state your name and address, and spell your last name. Thank you.

Ron OakleyChair

Okay. So

Denise

So we're gonna do P forty eight.

Ron OakleyChair

P forty eight, uh yeah.

Denise

Okay, so P forty eight is P D D twenty four seven seven three two, Hudson Family Trail, MPD, Master Plan Unit Development. HWHGC N G A L L C It's for rezoning from an AC agricultural district to an MPUD Master Plan Unit Development District, which will allow the development of 116 single-family detached units, which are going to be 60-foot wide wide lots and 50-foot-foot wide lots per the conditions of approval included in your agenda packet. This comes through the recommendation of approval with conditions. From

the Planning and Development Department and the Planning Commission as well.

Ron OakleyChair

Is this gonna be by road car or

Denise

This is a regular regular vote and I will say it's listed as regular, but I don't believe there's anyone here signed that has

Ron OakleyChair

the power to speak. Well you check. This is a public hearing. Does anyone in the audience wish to speak to this item?

See a no one. Is anyone sort of

Jack Mariano

WebEx? I would I would like to have the applicant come up. I'd like to address some concerns I have. And uh as the applicant does come up, I want to say that I had a very good meeting with them. They actually addressed some very strong concerns. But in light of some of the testimony we heard today, uh at public comment this morning, I want to do a l try to do a little bit more. And see if they're willing to, and I think they are. Um On this property, um if you could can we put an aerial shot up? On this property

it's on Hudson Avenue. It's three point six miles away from the entrance of Cobra Way to Hudson High School. There are no trails, uh sidewalks. There's no lighting, uh very little lighting I should say, going up and down. Across the streets, Lakeside, which is another development. Now because it's three point six miles away, the kids will be bust. But as we all know, sometimes kids will find another another way to school. Um The applicant has agreed to put a was it a ten foot wide?

Barbara Wilhite

Ten feet.

Jack Mariano

Ten foot wide sidewalk out front, which is great. But it it stops at the property line. I would like us to be able to use uh the rest of mobility fees that would be generated by the project and at least take at least an eight foot wide trail as far down toward the school as we can. Uh in the future, any other developments coming in the area I'd like to do the same. Um They've agreed to put s uh street lights out in front, which I think is good. But I think we need to make sure we have a room for a bus stop, maybe at the entryway, whatever for the Plus to

pick the kids up and take 'em right to school. And I think we need to have one looked at for the other side at some point. So when the kids get dropped off they can go across. even some crossing lights at that point might be a good idea for both sides so the kids crossing over one way or the other uh can get back and forth. Um

So would that maybe the applicant could comment to those first?

Sure, Chicken.

Barbara Wilhite

Commissioners, we also understand the need for public safety and that's why my my client agreed to go from five feet sidewalk to ten foot and to do it. To the extent that we have mobility fees that we can use off-site and we don't exceed those credits, we're happy to, you know, continue the sidewalk. eight feet or ten feet, whatever the county ultimately wants. Streetlights, if we need to add some streetlights, we're already committed to doing streetlights on Hudson Avenue to get this area lit. And then we c we can

work we can work with Go Pasco and see what uh what their needs are as well. We actually have a condition in our conditions of approval that require us to coordinate with Go Pasco already. So

Jack Mariano

Well with Go Pasco the the problem is Go Pasco doesn't have a bus route that goes there.

Barbara Wilhite

You're right. So it's a just a school school.

Jack Mariano

So if there's a way to get credits to actually use the same credits for the Stop either way, that that's fine too. But I I do want to just Put that extra protection level that's out there. The kids need this a safe place to be able to get on it. We're gonna put this extra on. We need to take every every measure we can. Right. Mr. Cabal.

Mike Carballa

Yeah, I just want to add to the to the conversation here with when it comes to using mobility fees and mobility fee credits. And I think what you're suggesting, Commissioner, is the mobility fee credit the mobility fees generated by the site itself. Correct. Yeah. I'm just gonna the board the board obviously the pleasure of the board is the pleasure of the board, but I will I will say that the structure that we have for mobility fees, we have districts and these mobility fees pump into these districts and they do do projects that are already uh under consideration through through

engineering services, major major projects. So if we divert funds by doing this, that's fine. It just it just takes away some revenue. I think this I don't know how many single family homes have going to be one sixteen. One hundred and sixteen. Uh you know that's that's a small amount, but I I just I want to let the board know that the the structure of the mobility fees and the mobility fee districts is to work on the collective and not necessarily individual projects projects per se. Um No, yeah I'm just I'm just gonna be able to do that.

Ron OakleyChair

I'm understanding that he meant the mobility fields generated by this project. So

Unidentified speakerVoice B

So if I could add to that. I think Barbara's commitment was to use the bike ped portion of the mobility fee for as much as that would go, which is a little bit less of an impact To our CIP than if it's all mobility fees.

Barbara Wilhite

That's the portion that we could use to do this. Okay.

Jack Mariano

And and and and I'll say for the for the future as we come up with any projects in the northwest of this area that needs it for both to the north end of the south and any projects coming in, I'm going to be looking to use uh the pedestrian part of this as well to try to get those built as quick as we can as we try to look to improve safety across the board. And we may get some state grants that that come in and help us do to do it as well, so be it. We'll use those two.

Barbara Wilhite

We can do that. If that's included in the motion, we'll work with the language with staff to get that into the MPUD before it's signed.

Ron OakleyChair

That'll be fine.

Barbara Wilhite

Question?

Kathryn Starkey

Um just looking at your Plan here. Um I do see you're not connecting to anyone in the north. That's correct. Actually, but there's connections to the east and west to put a start making a grid to get everyone off so

Kathryn Starkey

that everyone doesn't have to use Hudson Avenue. Staff make sure we address those when we

Barbara Wilhite

did.

Ron OakleyChair

Okay.

So I gotta take public comment on this item. Anyone here to speak to public comment? For this item?

Jack Mariano

Seeing no one? So I'll make a motion to approve with the conditions of working to get a bus stop on uh both sides of the road if possible for the project. Also an eight foot wide sidewalk using the pedestrian part of the mobility fees going down as far as they can towards Corbow Way and street lights are to be done as well. Along the property line.

Madam Clerk

I want to mention for the record that P forty eight had email correspondence from staff.

Unidentified speakerVoice A

Get a second and then I'll then I'll clarify. If get a second on his motion and then pass realize I got a second. Uh Commissioner Oak School bus stop. Yes. Okay. So

Yeah. So I d I just don't

Jack Mariano

Okay, no appreciate that. Yeah, school it was meant to be a school bus stop.

Ron OakleyChair

All right. right. I've got a motion and a second. Is this roll call or not? Not

Denise

um the top plan.

Unidentified speakerVoice A

Yes, you have to take so

Let's table this motion. Okay, table this one. And go back to thirty seven. And you need a motion on thirty-eight for the comp plant. Thirty seven. Thirty-seven, sorry.

Ron OakleyChair

Move approval. I got a motion and a second on uh P thirty-seven.

Unidentified speakerVoice A

And that's a roll call vote.

Ron OakleyChair

This is a roll call vote.

Madam Clerk

District two, Commissioner Weightman.

Ron OakleyChair

Aye.

Madam Clerk

District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Bradford. Aye. District 5, Commissioner Mariano?

Ron OakleyChair

Aye.

Madam Clerk

District 1, Chairman Oakley.

Ron OakleyChair

Aye. Passes 5-0.

Unidentified speakerVoice A

And then take forty-eight off the table and the motion is that's pending is for approval as modified by Commissioner Marion. Right.

Ron OakleyChair

Okay.

Unidentified speakerVoice A

So

Ron OakleyChair

That's just regular vote on this one. Okay. So I got a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed like say? Motion passed five zero. Thank you very much. Okay.

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