An Ordinance by The Pasco County Board Of County Commissioners Amending The Pasco County Land Development Code, Section 905.2.E, Landscaping And Buffering; Landscape Acceptance, Maintenance, And Prohibitions; Appendix A Definitions; And Other Sections, As Necessary For Page 6 of 7 Internal Consistency, Providing For Applicability; Repealer; Providing For Severability; Inclusion Into The Land Development Code, And An Effective Date.

2:59:04Good afternoon, Chair. Good afternoon, board.

2:59:07How you

2:59:08doing? Good to see you again. Um here for PC 17.

2:59:19And that is uh An ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land Development Code, Section nine oh five point two point E, landscape and buffering, landscape uh acceptance, maintenance and prohibitions, appendix A definitions, and other sections as necessary for internal consistency, providing for applicability repealer uh providing for several ability, inclusion into the land development

2:59:49code, and effectively. Um

2:59:55We go to the next slide, please. Actually, two slides, one more. So this is the Land Development Code Amendment number 69. It was uh on July 11, 2024, the LPA requested to revise the invasive education amendment and replaced by an amendment of section 905.2 uh of the Land Development Code. The previous invasive education was version uh DRD 24036

3:00:25and it had been withdrawn. On July 17, 2024, the uh this amendment was discussed with the interested partners in the horizontal round table group and this invasive vegetation version, the DRD 240209, was delayed in the And properly advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on july twenty fourth, twenty twenty one. Next slide please. This amendment is uh requesting consistent with the following comprehensive

3:00:55elements. Uh Chapter three, conservation element policy con one point eight point two landscaping with native plant species. Uh Pasco County shall continue to require the use of native plant species and non non native or non-native species uh Proven to be non-invasive in the landscaping of new development projects and additions to existing projects. Next slide, please. So this amendment is for Chapter 900, specifically

3:01:25905.2. Landscaping and buffering landscape acceptance, maintenance and prohibitions. And this amendment requires the proper disposal of invasion vegetation and identity. identifies future property owners that are required to maintain landscaping free of invasive vegetation. It also amends the definitions by adding a new definition for invasive vegetation or invasive plant species. Uh and the new definition for invasive vegetation um or fungus as proposed.

3:01:56Next slide please. So uh We are Um respectfully asking the board to fight the proposed ordinance amendment consistent with the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan and recommend approval to the Board County Commissioner.

3:02:16Okay. Any questions from Highest.

3:02:21I guess the first question I have is what's the proposed language of the ordinance? When I came to sit down this afternoon, it was being changed as we sat here, so it would be helpful to know what the actual language being proposed is.

3:02:37All right. So for the record I would like to introduce these uh this is the language. Uh it it changed uh a little bit and so

3:02:48Do you want to put it up or do you have a copy for everyone?

3:02:52I have a copy for everyone.

3:02:53Okay.

3:02:57Motionary received and file. Second.

3:02:59All in favor? Aye.

3:03:01Aye.

3:03:15So as that is being distributed.

3:03:19Um

3:03:22It pretty much is gonna stay the same as it was um distributed earlier. We just said in the last uh paragraph uh there was a request made to include uh some of these hogum grass language.

3:03:40Um

3:03:43And as we uh discuss with the team, we identify that the Department of Agriculture uh already has a prohibition for uh distribution of coven grass. It's very specific, so it's already a state uh uh what should I call it uh i just say sorry taking uh part in these these issues. So we added the paragraph that's highlighted in yellow that the Department of Agriculture

3:04:13and Consumer Services recognizes that the colongrass is both the state and the federal noxious weed and it shall be illegal to sell hay or sod from colournrass and festival fields in Pasco County. All sod used for site development uh we produce through a license salt form and certify as a colon grass free and human movement of the grass is any f in any fashion is illegal. That's what has been added, just these uh A few uh hours,

3:04:44I guess.

3:04:45Roberto, what does the last sentence what does that mean? Human movement of the grass in any fashion is illegal?

3:04:53So you you cannot transport it, you cannot distribute it, uh you just need to get rid of it. Then how does one get how does one dispose of it?

3:05:00Right.

3:05:01Well

3:05:02what grass. What grass? What grass?

3:05:06Probably grass from the sod farm? Well coke and grass.

3:05:10Okay. I I make the presumption that you're talking about coke and grass. My question is if human movement of the grass is in any fashion is illegal, then how does one dispose of it? I think we need to

3:05:20make it edit there. I think that needs some help.

3:05:22Yeah. Yeah. I agree.

3:05:26I think we we know what it was trying to be achieved,

3:05:29but it needs to be written better. Outside of disposal of coke and grass in the fashion so we get

3:05:35I mean I think there's Elizabeth, when we were working on this before, there was a Florida Administrative Code section that five J something or other that actually had language about transporting it in this stuff. Can't we reference that? Wouldn't that be the better way to do that.

3:05:55Yeah.

3:05:58And then Roberto, I the one question I have, I have no issue with Making sure that we're not buying sod or hay and I've heard the stories about buying sod and hay from Kogan grass infested fields. But do licensed sod farms actually certify that they are Kogan grass-free? Like does the state have a program if you're a licensed sod farm that requires them to do such things? My concern comes from

3:06:28are we making a requirement that's impossible for somebody to fulfill? If a licensed sod farm won't guarantee that it's Cogan grass free, then we've made a requirement that our citizens can't comply with. I'm not saying that we want Cogan grass in the sod, but is that something that the state regulates on sod farms? Do we know how that works?

3:06:50Yeah, this is already regulated by state uh state and that statement. I'm not sure you answered the question. That that already is regulated. That's a that that this comes from the state, straightforward from the state. So they regulate that. They have a website.

3:07:09Is there some kind of certification that can confirm that they are authorized sellers of Kogan Tree grass. I

3:07:19I have to look into that. I don't know the answer. But so that's that's my hesitancy. I don't I have no issue with making sure we have a war with Kogan grass. I got no issue, but what I don't want to do... is create Oh law. that is impossible for the citizenry to comply with like the last time we talked about you wanted them to get a certification that the fill dirt was free of wheat seeds. Well from somebody who's in this business

3:07:50that's regularly buying fill dirt, I can tell you you can't buy fill dirt and get a certification that that's the case. Nobody's gonna do that. So what I'm asking is do sod farms do that? If they do that That's great. I'm all for this.

3:08:02Yes.

3:08:02And we got

3:08:03we had a um we had D O T and Swift Mud here. Kathryn Starkey, [address removed]. Um And maybe they they just don't recall that we did have D O T and Swift MUD come um report give us a report on how they manage Coke and grass on their property and this is straight from them. They require Um sod be come from certified SOD farms only and they have they

3:08:34monitor them for three years. And I drove the State Road 52 corridor with the guys in charge of this program.

3:08:40There's a nuance in what you said. I have no issue that they require that the SOD come from a certified SOD farm. My question had to do with Does a certified sod farm guarantee that it's Kogan grass free? I understand the monitoring and I'm all good with that.

3:08:56They must. I mean So that's part of the certification I think is what he was asking.

3:09:00Gig and I have witnessed and I've had calls from developers and landowners who Said commissioner, they are selling coging grass as sod right now off of State Road 52. And I feel so bad for the developments that just got that coconras. um sod uh because they're g they're gonna have a humongous bill when they go to change all their grass out. But so but to answer your question, yes, and this is straight out of state language

3:09:31and it's what other counties require. Okay.

3:09:33And then Maybe Elizabeth can oh it is still in here. It says best management practices for maintenance shall be included within the development review manual. So what are those?

3:09:49That's what we were talking about last time that we would re use this ordinance to refer back to that manual.

3:09:54Mm-hmm. And I do like the language was in in the what we're reading here was changed to say as the standards for implementing this section versus just for reference. Right. But yeah, what what are the big

3:10:07management practices? It you're never going to be successful at a program if you don't have something that's understandable by the public. on what to do. When I researched this issue

3:10:24There's not a whole lot of science about what to do. There are some people that say, well, we can go spray it with glyphosate, but that's they say that it takes multiple years of application of glyphosate to do that, and I'm not sure that anybody who knows anything about glyphosate wants that sprayed all over the county. Then there's this chemical called And I'm gonna mispronounce it. Immazi in a zip appear. And this is from the

3:10:54Nature Conservancy, by the way, and this is used sometimes to control Cogan grass. And then it talks about this particular pesticide. Um That its exudate and the ability of a mazippap here to move intertwined root grafts may therefore adversely affect surrounding desirable vegetation with little to no control of the target species. So what I'm trying to figure out is what do I tell my client, what is the best management

3:11:24practice for he or she to get rid of the Kogan grass? What is that? And what is the county doing? Because the Comf plan says that the county was supposed to do that in Policy CON 184. You were supposed to develop a program on county-owned or lease lands to eliminate exotic nuisance plant species. So I'm not saying you're not doing these. I'm asking what is the method? What works? What can people do?

3:11:51So

3:11:52Hello again, Keith Wiley, Director of Parks Recreation Natural Resources. So if the question is specifically directed to Cogan grass, it's herbicide, herbicide, herbicide, herbicide, herbicide, herbicide. Which herbicide? So you typically glyphosate, right? Or or some something stronger that's more systemic, but to the to the actual whole list, the B and Ps depend on the actual species in question. I think we talked about this last time. So instead Creating a very robust, you know, uh a guideline we're referring to the B and Ps that's referenced actually

3:12:22I think in the existing LDC uh language that then gets to University of Florida is to the food and agricultural sciences, which I think would be the experts on what those BMPs would be. So

3:12:34science is advancing at all times, so those B and Ps can change

3:12:37And and s we had Cogan grass on Starkey Boulevard, um especially on the right hand side recently, in the last two years. Staff went out there and sprayed it three times, gone. Um we had Cogan grass years ago on the left hand side um bordering some of Swift Mud Edge and some of the um I guess DOT you know. Duke right away and uh our family did a trade and we we got them to get rid of

3:13:07something noxious on our property. We got rid of the Coven grass there. So yes, you you can treat it uh and the county just needs to start getting a plan. But I'm I'm gonna speak again later on my three minutes. Come back. It's in my three minutes. It's in my three minutes. Um But yes, we we have treated it successful. We have treated it successfully.

3:13:31And what I'm good with is just it's

3:13:34put the piece

3:13:34of the

3:13:34switch but takes it out of all their property. I

3:13:37I just want to make sure that w if they amend the development manual to include BMPs, that they're practical BMPs that people can achieve.

3:13:47Absolutely. And and to your point, Commissioner, it's this n it's not an easy thing to do, but yeah again there are methods that have proven results that you just have to continue to do and apply over and over again. We're not saying the complete eradication is a hundred percent possible. It's difficult Brazilian pepper is difficult to get rid of. So Yeah, that's for sure. Yeah. Some people like it. Yeah,

3:14:10they do.

3:14:11What I will tell you is from personal experience When we clear development sites that are infested with Cogan grass and I've got one that's under construction right now. It's over in west of US nineteen in the seaforest area. What's the parcel ID?

3:14:28When we cleared it and grubbed it and took the first six inches of dirt off, it's never come back. Right.

3:14:37Three three. That's the cheapest way to hear it.

3:14:43So back to your point though, you mentioned sod farms, but it also mentions hay here. So You know, I drive by and see, hey, for sale, are we creating some kind of thing where people won't be able to do that without getting Some kind of test or I mean, hopefully they're not selling it out of cogn and grass infested fields, but But there's not necessarily a test, but I also want to make sure we're not driving

3:15:13them out of business by not well that's creating some regulation. I

3:15:18share your concern. That's Why we have a Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services who's happens to be headed by a Pasco County resident, citizen. Um I don't know whether the county has the authority to regulate the sale of agricultural products or not. I'm not sure we do or don't. I that's question for the lawyers.

3:15:49I don't have an answer for that. But um

3:15:52But I mean w I we do know that the state does they have there's a there's a rule in the Florida Administrative Code. In fact I think it was in the last version of this ordinance it was cited.

3:16:07And I have no problem that following what the state law is on that. And I agree because then all of a sudden some future commission or some future administration comes in and wants and see so and so with a I've got hay for sale sign and they're down there knocking on their doors demanding to see their certifications.

3:16:28Right. Right.

3:16:31All that being said, from what I understand, cows won't eat cognrass, so if you sell 'em hay with cogn grass in it, you're not gonna be in

3:16:38business law. But it could be cross contaminated with seeds and things like that, so

3:16:44So are we are you are we writing up new language now that we need to talk about or?

3:16:50Well what I'm suggesting is that There'll be a c couple of edits made to this and he's I mean s certainly this is in furtherance of that Comp Plan policy that he put up there on the PowerPoint, though it does need to be wordsmith. I mean, like I would probably Can we put the language back up?

3:17:24Maybe we still have to take public comment to know.

3:17:27I mean I I for example would take the reference to in Pasco County from that first sentence and switch it over to be illegal in Pasco County, but moving that around. And then I think what needs to be done is the word coven graph but needs to be inserted into that last sentence under human movement. Human movement needs to somehow be modified to allow for disposal as you have pointed out. There needs to be some reference to that other than appropriate disposal. And then maybe

3:17:57incorporating the Florida rules for disposal as the rule you're referring to is the disposal rule. Right,

3:18:03does that talk about transport?

3:18:05Transporting, right, and disposal. Incorporating that rule in there and then the research project of whether or not we have an issue with prohibiting the sale of some kind of agricultural product, but I would certainly think that us prohibiting the sale of tainted Haynes Sod probably wouldn't run a fail of some kind of department regulation because it's in furtherance of their own regulation if you were to prohibit that. But I can look into that. As for any additional amendments to this, I I don't know, but that's what I would do to fix that

3:18:35additional language. Okay. And furtherance of that common policy. What you're saying.

3:18:42Did you get the last sentence on that, Elizabeth the Human movement of Yeah, I expect

3:18:47other than some kind of the appropriate disposal pursuing to best management practices or or whatever. Yeah,

3:18:52because that's kinda confusing.

3:18:54If there's a state rule, do we need an additional rule? Can we just reference to say that

3:18:59It it's sometimes best to give your reader the concept instead of making them go research something else. You know what I mean? But it it's it's okay to cross-reference and repeat things at our state level.

3:19:09Okay.

3:19:10And

3:19:10you just include the rule, the text of the rule. Remember it

3:19:13was a

3:19:14fairly short

3:19:14thing.

3:19:16That's possible too.

3:19:17And then the the second qu with the definition we're including we're we're proposing to include an opinion. Are we can creating a conflicting definition of what invasive is because we're defining it by UFIFS list in the E5, but then we've got a different definition than appendix A.

3:19:37That's not a question. And then I'll

3:19:39just say that none of that's consistent with the comp plan. PolicyCon one point eight six says Pasco County shall utilize the Florida Exotic Best Plant Council's list of exotic nuisance plant species as amended that are likely to occur in Pasco County.

3:19:57Well I may not like that, but it is what it is. The comp plan is what it is.

3:20:01But that's out of day, right? But that's out of date. That terminology one I understand is out of date.

3:20:06It may be, but are they now the FISC, the Florida Seth? Yes, that's Company. Yes. Okay, but that's what the comp plan says. I may not personally like it, but that's what it says. Right.

3:20:18And as far as I think one of the commissioners brought up the definition underneath Appendix A, I mean quite honestly if it really that it is you could say that the definition is actually underneath E five referring to the to the database, but that's I guess that's up up to you all to consider that

3:20:34piece. But I'm just saying down the road somebody goes, Oh well I think that this plan is extensively uncontrollable and

3:20:45I mean it's fairly consistent with most yeah, most of the definitions that refer to that, but um yeah, to your point it's could be probably defined elsewhere. So

3:20:53Yeah, yeah, Keith, and I think I I I had raised that question in conversations with staff earlier, and I I just didn't know I know before we were talking about the category one plants, right? And then it was just whether this was are the category one plants can actually be listed in the

3:21:05Del manual. Not I mean I think the intent is to use the reference that's in the existing code language. So we wouldn't we wouldn't be creating an additional list. We would use all the existing references and make it as simple as possible. And I will say that um I mean that database is rather extensive, but you can filter it by the type specifically called out in the existing code language. So I think that's safe territory. Well that I

3:21:29got one last

3:21:30question.

3:21:33Well

3:21:33no, I I'm all good with that. But the last time I was here I asked has anybody gone over to Marata and asked them to please remove the Cogan grass along with the Ludwigia Peruviana and the Brazilian pepper, because it's still there today when I pass by. And we added your parcel too, the E reference.

3:21:52I don't have any Cogan glass. We got rid of some next door to

3:21:55Marata.

3:21:57Okay. And with the pleasure. What do we what do we want to do? Uh yeah,

3:22:03take public hearing. Yeah.

3:22:04I thought we did. I thought Kathryn gave it to us.

3:22:08Not yet. She didn't use her three minutes yet.

3:22:10Oh that's right, that's right. Okay, so who would like to have public comment? Is there a list or is that?

3:22:18For this one the only person is Msini that has signed up to speak.

3:22:22Okay.

3:22:31Jennifer Sini, [address removed]. This time I'm here to speak to PC seventeen. um the newly proposed invasive ordinance based on section nine oh five point two. This ordinance amends one single paragraph Buried deep within section nine oh five point two. The section actually runs approximately

3:23:01seventeen pages, but this is just one paragraph. This board expressed their opinion that we already have an invasive ordinance through 9052. If that were the case, why hasn't it worked so far? This paragraph has existed for decades. but has not done anything to stop the invasion. Now why? Because it's an afterthought. It is a reactive

3:23:30if you will, paragraph, to a situation. It is not proactive. It is not prioritized. For example, here there is no required inventory of species, just a vague, if you find them, remove them. There is no requirement for management plan, there's no oversight, there's no process or procedure to implement it, and there is no reporting. Essentially, it is relegated to an unsupported code compliance

3:24:00function. I find it very interesting that it references IFES assessment of non-native plants and flowers natural areas. You know, that is a list of over 900 species. But who no ma'am. It is nine hundred species plus. And but who cares because we're gonna let staff do any work. With this ordinance anyway. So what does it matter if there are hundreds of species that don't relate to Pasco County? And who

3:24:30cares what are those pesky invasives that make our county commissioners crazy aren't emphasized here. The proposed ordinance puts this whole program on the backs of staff. most likely cold compliance, And it will not be prioritized. Unfortunately, you all directed staff away from Pasco County Commissioner's Directive. And I will say I've watched both meetings and please forgive me, but it you

3:25:01guys were bullying staff and you know what? They gave up. and they gave you 905. I say this proposed ordinance should be scrapped and we go back to the original attempt to put in a real proactive program. Thank you.

3:25:16Thank you.

3:25:19Okay, well I think we have one other person who wants to speak.

3:25:25Sydney Bartman. [address removed]. There are actually 1400 invasive plants in the state of Florida. Most of these plants are sold in every nursery that you can find. One of the most popular ones are fountain grasses, which are coming red. They have the feathers on them. They

3:25:56grow wild.

3:25:59Camp for trees. Um There's a whole there's a whole lot of them. My question is are you all going are you prepared to go to the Home Depot in Zephyrhills, the Lowe's in Zephyrhills, the nurseries throughout the county, and tell them they no longer can sell these plants that have been sold for years and years. Palm Beach County also uses these in landscapes. Um

3:26:30right now camper, the fountain grass, um, the Australian pines that grow along our beaches, um These are drought tolerant plants. Okay, now the weeds that Sarkey talked about. they can be somewhat um problematic. But Are we to burn the entire county down to get rid of

3:27:00all the weeds and are we going to tell the nurseries that they can no longer sell these plants for landscaping? I have these plants in my own yard and they grow wild, and I allow them to grow wild, because I live on five wooded acres, near the airport in Zephyrhills, which is a whole nother story, and they cause no kind of problem at all. My concern is why all

3:27:30of a sudden Commissioner Starkey decided to start attacking the invasive Weeds. I didn't hear anything about it until That came up, and then the fires. that caused the smog and then got out of control and then someone was arrested for starting a fire which they did not start. I have all of this documented. I've

3:28:00been doing this for 35 years. This is the first time I've been in front of you all. But the commissioners know me very well. And that's my concern. Campor trees are huge, they provide shade. They are not A bad tree. And if you can cut down a 36 inch or bigger grandfather oak And burn it. But you're gonna Want to

3:28:30cut down and burn Lantana grass and everything else that these Home Depots, Lowe's, nurseries, all throughout Pasco County South. What's the plan? You ca it's not gonna be able to be stopped. They're first of all they are perennials and they will come back over and over again.

3:28:54Okay, thank you.

3:29:00Thank uh Kathryn Starkey [address removed]. Um Thanks for taking this on. I know it's a really tough ordinance, but we have been talking about dealing with coke and grass at the county level for a number of years now. And um We have got to get a little proactive on it or our county's gonna be eaten up with it. And um Swift MUD and DOT have

3:29:30very active programs to stop it in their property, as I mentioned. And we we have done really nothing to stop the spread, and there are things that can be done to stop the spread. And if you research it, you'll see no animal eats coconrass. It cuts their tongues to to pieces. And to walk through it You can't you can't walk through it. It'll cut cut up your your legs. So to have it in your yards, to have it in your open spaces,

3:30:00um, it's just very detrimental. It burns at a higher rate. It's got a lot of oil in it, so um it can uh cause um uh control burns to burn at a much higher level. and you'll lose your trees. Um, it will actually um overtake a a lot of new growth in um in and pa well takes over pastures and And I would say to you, can you get a nag exemption

3:30:31for a pasture of Cogan grass when it's no agricultural purpose? I'm not sure that's legal to get an ag exemption on a on any acreage of coding grass. So if we don't get proactive on stopping the spread, we're gonna look like a lot of parts of what Hernando County looks like. And um so it's just time that we we put some rules down and uh one of the things I suggest suggest to staff and

3:31:01I've been um starting conversations with our um secretary of ag Wilton Simpson is is there a way that we can help fund um with grants the removal of some of this stuff in some of our neighborhoods because I think it's gonna be a long hard fight to stop the the spread but I think we have to try. Otherwise we're just gonna be overrun with it. Ever every piece of grass we have in the county will be Coven grass. Yes. So

3:31:32are Catherine, are you pr primarily your concern is Cogan grass? Yes. Not not camper trees.

3:31:38I I you know camper trees trees

3:31:40and

3:31:40not stuff like

3:31:40that.

3:31:41Here here's my problem with Cogan grass, we're spreading it through new development. Pretty much. I don't think we're spreading Brazilian pepper through new development. That's coming right from the birds, maybe eating the seeds and then spreading it that way. That's that's a harder nut. I do want the county to have a program to start getting rid of Brazilian pepper and I'm pretty sure Keith Uh when they get Elamp properties, Key still here behind me?

3:32:08Um when they get property they remove invasives. We're we bought the Gulf Harbor's um defunct golf course and we're gonna be working together with the pro the Gulf Harbor's residents and the parks department at Elamp to get rid of the invasives and it's mostly Brazilian pepper off that property. Um but to go and try and get rid of all the Brazilian Piper and Pasco County. I that's that's a that's a hard thing to do. I used to drive to Miami all the time. and

3:32:39I watched the state spend I don't know how much money getting rid of Malauca. But they they did do it. They got rid of it. A lot of also Australian pines they they got rid of. But if you do nothing. it's gonna be so much more expensive for us in the future. So, uh we just have to start somewhere. I'm not will have I don't really want it to be on the backs of code enforcement 'cause they're just not equipped to do something like this, so we'll have to figure that out. Um but let's, you know, Let's

3:33:10start somewhere. So

3:33:13So the thrust uh right now for you is cograss.

3:33:16Yes.

3:33:17It's not camper trees.

3:33:19No. Um I did hear um at the last planning commission a woman speak about development happened near her and there were air potato plants. And then through that development process her air potato plants got worse. Now I don't think that's fair. I don't know how to deal with that one. I've not researched potato plants.

3:33:40Yeah, and I know some of the ranchers over here complain about uh terrible um soda apples.

3:33:47Yes, and we used to have those on our ranch and I can tell you that was a great job for my kids when they were in high school and before high school to drive around in a little ranch vehicle and we sprayed all our soda tropical soda apples 'cause those are terrible. And we got we got rid of all of ours. And uh we didn't have Brazilian pepper, we didn't have soda apple and we did not have coconrass on any of the Starkey Ranch property. Can't speak for camp for trees. I don't think we had any but I know those three. We worked very hard and very diligently

3:34:17to make sure we had none of those invasives on our property. I think what the um Cindy was speaking about is not anything near what we're talking about with Cogengrass. Cogan grass is one of the ten most evasive plants in the world. Okay. It's out.

3:34:33Okay. Thank you.

3:34:38No no I'm sorry, he can't not unless somebody wants to ask me a question.

3:34:47Well we can't speak from the audience.

3:34:52Okay.

3:34:56Okay.

3:34:59So what's the pleasure of the group?

3:35:02Well are we gonna get like updated language

3:35:05we're just gonna continue this or

3:35:07Well you could continue the item or you could find the draft language as written and the proposed amendments to it consistent with the comprehensive plan, which is the only motion that you're required to make as the LPA. Um so it puts you not in the position of recommending approval until something that you haven't yet to see the final product of. So that would be my suggestion that you just do that. That way it keeps moving forward and we can certainly send to you for courtesy and curiosity

3:35:37what the final thing looks like before it even goes on the board agenda. You know, it's whatever your pleasure is.

3:35:43I'd rather see the language.

3:35:47Well if c we continue it we will see the language, right?

3:35:50Well you don't have to continue, but you can't and this is at your old plenary question.

3:35:54I I he can't I mean I think this is an important issue. I mean I I know that I was pretty vocal against what was being said and what was brought to us last time. I think this is an important issue and I think this is a good compromise. I like John would like to see the language. Uh I'm a little uncomfortable not seeing the language, but if it's a Pasco County before around after a certain word, I I'm not too concerned about that part of it. Um I think we need to get something in place and something where we can start moving forward and and I and I think really it it does like Catherine said, I I think it does come it's n not really

3:36:24so much on on code enforcement. This kind of goes back to even when site development plans are submitted and when site development plans are reviewed. When there's inspections at the end of construction, when the contractor or the builder's getting ready to leave the site. I think that's an important port my opinion, I think that's an important part of the inspection process. The natural resources needs to be going out and making sure that The stuff that was supposed to be removed was in fact removed. Um, 'cause I I I I mean, I hate the the story of the HOA that was burdened with the air potato. I mean that that's that's a bad story and that's a big thing that they have to tackle down the road, so

3:36:55Um I is there any way we can just finalize the language or Elizabeth you're just not comfortable with

3:37:01the only thing is I don't have a reference to that rule number. Oh, that specifically and

3:37:24I was warned.

3:37:27We don't want to be here any longer than necessary either. Yeah, yeah.

3:37:31It's Florida Administrative Code 5 J and I'm gonna try to help you.

3:48:34Okay, let's go back to murder.

3:48:40I think uh we can get the new language up on the screen.

3:48:59share that mix.

3:49:02There we go. Does that look right?

3:49:13And then the definition is modified to reflect that to give direction to the reader.

3:49:22Yeah, that it's because that's actually in the body of of the ordinance and so I thought it might be useful, Keith. Okay.

3:49:33Can you scroll back up?

3:49:37I think he missed a word. I didn't. Yeah. All side use for site development must be procured through a licensed side farm.

3:49:46There's

3:49:46an extra county in the beginning of that

3:49:48one.

3:49:48Okay, that's exactly. Yeah. Yeah, see it.

3:49:57Just wanted to see if you're afraid of tension.

3:50:02There

3:50:03will be a test.

3:50:04Okay, with those two changes, is that appropriate then for You Mr. Moody? Well I think you wanted

3:50:12to make a

3:50:13ready for a motion. I'll move. Well I just I'm sorry, I have one more question. So back to your question though. I know it came up last time. Is does this now there seem to be concern that they couldn't go out and check the places like Murana? Does this give them the At least the backbone to do that, correct?

3:50:36Keith

3:50:36Wiley, yes, that is correct, Mr. Williams.

3:50:38Okay, thank you.

3:50:40Make

3:50:40it easy. So I move we recommend approval of the ordinance modified

3:50:47finding it consistent with the comprehensive plan.

3:50:49Okay. So yeah, move we find the modified ordinance plan looks consistent with the comprehensive plan. Second.

3:50:56I will uh one thing I'll say since we're a discussion on this is that I think um this certainly goes beyond our purview, but the B and Ps and the Development Review Mandel and the like, to get to Massini's point, I I think there that's an opportunity for us to have a more robust program. Um and attacking invasions in general, I think it's that's the right place for this to obviously be, not within the within the ordinance but um I encourage Keys Group and others to reach out to whoever those experts are to develop

3:51:27that 'cause there's a lot of really good folks in this in this space that can help with that. But I think that we can get to to you know, it may not be necessarily as ordinance driven and robust as what Hillsboro has, but I think that we can get there with the uh through the development review process.

3:51:45Okay, any other discussion?

3:51:47I'll just say that money spent on the actual removal is better than money spent trying to prove you've complied with some bureaucratic process.

3:52:02It's true. Yeah. Are you just saying dig it up?

3:52:06Is that like add it when

3:52:07you don't kill it?

3:52:12Okay, we have a motion. We have a second. We've had discussion. All in favor of the motion signified by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Like signed? All right.

3:52:37I carry.