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An Ordinance By The Pasco County Board Of County Commissioners Amending The Pasco County Land Development Code; Amending Section 303.5, Common Procedures, Preapplication Consultation; Section 305.1, Neighborhood Meeting, Intent and Purpose; Section 402.3, Use Permits, Conditional Uses; Section 525.3, C-1 Neighborhood Commercial District, Conditional Uses; Section 525.4, C-1 Neighborhood Commercial District, Special Exeption Uses; Section 526.3, C-2 General Commercial District, Conditional Uses; Section 907.3, Stacking Spaces And Drive-Through Facilities; Creating Section 1106, Car Wash Facilities Standards; Appendix A, Definitions; And Other Sections, As Necessary, For Internal Consistency; Providing For Applicability; Repealer; Providing For Severability; Inclusion Into The Land Development Code, And An Effective Date.

Proposed Ordinances at 1:30 p.m.PDE-24-0336District All

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  1. Sep 3, 2024BoardP51No action
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Ron OakleyChair

a second. All those in favor to continue. Say aye. Aye. Okay. Yes. Five zero. Next move to the next items. Uh P sixty five.

Unidentified speakerVoice A

We have proved publication of the hearing of this matter in the temp Bay Times of July twenty-fourth, twenty twenty four.

Ron OakleyChair

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Item P65 is PDE 240336. This is an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners, amending the Pasco County Land Development Code, amending section 303.5, common procedures, the application, consultation, section 305.1, neighborhood meeting, intent and purpose, section 402.3, use permits, conditional uses, section 525.1. C One neighborhood commercial district conditional uses Section 525.4 C One Neighborhood

Near Neighborhood Commercial District Special Exception Uses Section 526.3 C2 General Commercial District General Commercial District Conditional Uses Section 907.3 Stacking Spaces and Drive Through Facilities. Creating section eleven oh six car wash facilities standards, appendix A, definitions, and other sections as necessary for internal consistency, providing for applicability, refueler, providing for severability, inclusion into land development code, and ineffective date. Um I

made a presentation on this at the last Board of County Commissioners meeting in Dade City on September third. The Board of County Commissioners provided Uh uh input on developing some uh changes to the proposed ordinance that was discussed. The version that has been passed out to everyone today um updates what has been included in civic clerk that version addresses freestanding car washes only so the accessory Uh

car washes that would be associated with gas stations is no longer being considered as part of this ordinance. Uh it requires conditional use approval for new car washes, freestanding car washes proposed to be included within an MPUD, a C1 or a C2 commercial district, notwithstanding any provisions that might be contrary in the land development code. Um we had previously proposed requiring any new car wash within an MPUD to be processes of substantial modification. So everything is now to be uh

conditional use. That's the intent. The standards proposed under uh 402 2.3 conditional uses have also been amended to reduce the inventory radius distance submitted by applicants. So previously we had a a provision under the conditional use requirements. Yeah.

All the car washes within a five mile radius that's been reduced to a one point five mile radius. To keep with the original intent of acknowledging what kind of car washes are within a certain proximity of a proposed car wash. And then finally, the board noted that neighborhood meetings were not necessary for car washes as they would come before the public hearing process as a conditional use anyway. So that has also been removed. We can go through a full presentation, but that's the Uh update

since the last meeting. And we have worked with the stakeholders to accomplish these amendments.

Ron OakleyChair

Any discussion.

Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

Yes, I have one question. Under the applicability um uh and in reference to V O P H I know we have a gas station that also has a f a car wash. It's not a drive it's not a building that you drive through but it's a freestanding car wash with a gas station. I wanna make sure that's still that's a one per village. I mean that can't that counts.

Ron OakleyChair

Yes, that's that's built into that into this code.

Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

Okay, because you define it says where one freestanding car wash is permitted per village, but are you gonna consider and I'm thinking of Alan Altman's corner Um That's a That's a car wash like the freestanding ones we're talking about plus a gas station. It is not a gas station with a little drive thru building. So it's it's a hybrid. And I think that should count, one per village. Otherwise.

We're gonna be messed up.

Because those are that's not what we wanted in in those villages, as you just saw in that presentation.

Ron OakleyChair

So Is the question is that car wash facility that's in village A of V O P H okay to be there? Is that what you're asking?

Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

I'm I'm saying that that we need to count

Unidentified speakerVoice B

She wants to make sure that a ty that that type of car wash counts in this ordinance.

Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

As a freestanding

Unidentified speakerVoice B

case, a particular one you've exempt it you've you've exempted. But if future are developed that are of that model She wants she's asking if those would be captured. Those would be the right-of-way. Correct

Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

Commissioner? Is that

the other one?

Because you said you're taking out the that it's only freestanding car washes, but that's a freestanding car wash with a gas station.

Unidentified speakerVoice C

Commissioner Oakley Freestanding Car wash is defined, it's it's done by the number of vacuums That they have, it's not based on whether they're next to a gas station or not.

Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

Okay. Okay.

Unidentified speakerVoice C

So that would count as a few years ago. The answer is yes, it counts. It counts as a freestanding car wash because of the number of vacuums has at the car wash. Not it doesn't matter whether it has a gas station next to it.

Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

Okay. That's that's all I want to then I'm then I'm So we have to have public.

Ron OakleyChair

Okay.

All right. Okay, and this is a public meeting and is anyone here to speak to this item?

Mr. Hobby?

Unidentified speakerVoice D

Mr. Chairman, Clark Hobby, uh 109 North Brussel Street, Tampa, Florida. Uh I apologize. I wasn't planning on speaking, but actually uh Commissioner Starkey is raising an issue that I should have caught the other day, and it's in the limited applicability section. A four. I believe what she's alluding to and the way this should read is that There should be a limited applicability for any approved MPUD that has specific design location or site orientation standards for car

washes, not freestanding, because until today we didn't call them freestanding car washes. So if you your MPUD, like Alan Altman's and one other that I have, have specific design. criteria that we came up with, you know, most of these are fairly recent, then those only have to meet a very limited part of the code. So I think that's the one change I would request. I don't see offhand that there would be a problem with any of the other sections.

Kathryn StarkeyVice Chair

David, does that keep the intent of one per village?

Unidentified speakerVoice C

I think so, but I kinda need to see the language that Clark was talking about.

Jack Mariano

Mr. Chairman Mariano. So if you strike the free standing or you just consider it as a regular car wash, I don't I don't see what the difference would be.

Unidentified speakerVoice C

But I think what Clark is trying to say is that this doesn't uh directly affect Commissioner Starkey's question. I It's still one per village. He's talking about the exemption for uh that already already approved MPDs. And he's saying that We should strike the word freestanding for num from A four. And just say car washers. necessarily have a problem with it because the theory of A four was that if you already had an approved M P D that

specifically had design standard for car washes, you should you wouldn't be subject You'd only be subject to very limited parts of this code. So I don't I don't think it's a problem. We we've we've intended to vest the MPUDs that had Specific design standard for car washes.

Unidentified speakerVoice B

So

Unidentified speakerVoice C

then it matters whether it's freestanding or not.

Unidentified speakerVoice B

But the only one that would be stricken would be Sub four.

Unidentified speakerVoice C

A yeah

Unidentified speakerVoice B

A four, yes. The word freestanding from A four. There also appears to be a numbering error in that section where you've got two A's on this in the version that was passed out. So That would be B four that would have freestanding struck in the second line.

Unidentified speakerVoice E

Chairman? Yeah. Thank you, Chairman Ms. Dolson, so wouldn't a backstop do that be because it's conditional use the board would have to bless it anyway, up or down?

Unidentified speakerVoice C

For the new car buses, yes, they're all requiring conditional uses, but We specifically exempted any MUD were They sp they they went out of their way to list car wash as a use and staff developed design standards for that car washed use because

Unidentified speakerVoice A

Yeah.

Unidentified speakerVoice C

They had already been through a more a r a process similar to what we would do for a conditional use approval. So we were trying to vest the M P Ds that Where staff had already done a more detailed review of the car washed use. So but to answer your question on a going forward basis Yes, any new car wash, any new freestanding car wash Would require a conditional use approval whether it was in C one, C two, or in an MPUD that had not gone through that more detailed process.

Unidentified speakerVoice E

So for this change the motion would be Exceptional ordinance as it states with amended

Unidentified speakerVoice C

what? Removing the word freestanding from is it B four or A four? I'm not sure which is B four, not that.

It's removed he won Clark has asked us to remove one word which I'm okay with. It's the word freestanding from B four.

Unidentified speakerVoice E

So my motion would be

Unidentified speakerVoice C

Wait

Unidentified speakerVoice B

a minute. Public hearing. You spoke

Ron OakleyChair

to public hearing.

I know Clark spoke, but is there anyone else in the audience who wish to speak to this item?

Unidentified speakerVoice A

We do not have anyone signed up or online.

Ron OakleyChair

So seeing no one come forward then ready for the pleasure

Jack Mariano

of the board. Move approval with the noted changes of the second A going to be and And section four going taking out the word freestanding.

Unidentified speakerVoice F

Second.

Ron OakleyChair

Okay, I got a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Motion passed five zero. Um Now it's time for public hearing.

Unidentified speakerVoice A

It

is

a rope over there. Roll call. District two, Commissioner Weightman. Aye. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Yeager. Aye. District five, Commissioner Mariano. Aye. District one, Chairman Oakley.