Local Agency Program (LAP) Agreement, Budget Amendment, and Budget Resolution – Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) and Pasco County – Construction and Construction Engineering Inspection (CEI) Activities for Pasco Elementary - Fort King Road from Hester Road to North of Coleman Avenue Sidewalk Project (FPN:4455031 58 01) – $971,218.00 Grant Funding

1:02:39Okay. Second. All in favor? Aye. All right, C thirty eight, Commissioner Oakley. All right, this one's F D O T Pasco Elementary, Fort King Road from Hester. Oh yeah, that's

1:02:52that's the sidewalk we've been asking for for a long time, right along uh Morningside Drive and and Fort King Road.

1:02:58Is this gonna be a multi use path or something?

1:03:01I think this is is it uh

1:03:03Because the trail, the Orange Belt Trail is coming up. Yeah

1:03:07but it's not it's not the Orange Belt Trail.

1:03:09But aren't we bringing Orange Belt over to Morningside?

1:03:14I don't know that.

1:03:15That's the route preferred route on the Yeah, I don't think the overall route study's been blessed yet. Well then we're looking at it I do not want to build a sidewalk that we're gonna tear up and put them all to use. What's g that I thought we all agreed it was coming to Morningside then hooking what's the Dade City trail? Uh Hardy? Hardy.

1:03:35Hardy Trail, yes. I don't know the I don't know that route because I hadn't been told that route on the on that trail. I know it's gonna know what I'm doing.

1:03:44Yeah, can you put a map up please?

1:03:50We're already tearing up a new sidewalk on Old Fifty Two.

1:04:00Uh

1:04:01go to

1:04:01uh fourteen.

1:04:03See uh so you know that that trail you're talking about, the Hardy Trail, it goes along the old railroad track bed that goes down through Dade City.

1:04:12I know but I understood the connector for Orange Belt. That um So I don't know where they're

1:04:19connecting that to think

1:04:21it's the Harvey Trip. Old fifty two? To Morningside North.

1:04:27Morning side runs east

1:04:29and west. Well yeah. I d I don't know that road except for for that discussion.

1:04:35We've been six years waiting on that mortgage side to be but

1:04:40maybe we just need it to be a little wider.

1:04:44So where's the map?

1:04:47And um do you is there anyone from

1:04:52Yeah, not necessarily speaking easier to

1:04:54do. I

1:04:56don't think that's where it

1:04:57is.

1:04:58Panos Conches Assistant Services Director. Um the Hari Trail is to the east of uh uh uh Fort King Road. So it's it's not r running excuse me, it's not running along Fort King Road.

1:05:15Can we get the area up where we're talking about? I'm working on it. Okay.

1:05:22And then we'll need to see the proposed route for the orange belt.

1:05:27Do you miss Joanna yet? Sorely.

1:05:34Keep going north with you.

1:05:37It's by the high school, right?

1:05:40I'm learning.

1:05:43See go left.

1:05:44I don't think they're

1:05:45left.

1:05:46It's over here on the pork.

1:05:51Yeah. Just put the segment up between Pasco High School and Pitch Clinton.

1:05:59There you go. There's a school right there.

1:06:02Yeah, so I

1:06:03think

1:06:06Yes.

1:06:06The route study for the Orange Belt uh Orange Belt uh trail is not yet finalized. So we don't have a final alignment for that trail. Um from what I know is it seems like the state road fifty two or now county road fifty-two alignment is the most preno predominant alternative, but we're not ready yet to recommend any alignment there. right now being finalized. It will be brought to you for a presentation, I believe sometime in January or

1:06:36uh uh next year. So uh in the meantime like Commissioner Oakley mentioned there is an existing need for pedestrians and students along Fort King Road. So this This sidewalk will take, provide the sidewalk from south of Advent Health all the way to Coleman Road is about short of a mile of uh sidewalk and it will provide access to Pasco High and also to the fairgrounds.

1:07:07Madam Chairman Mariano. So is that is is I think I'm looking at the I was looking at the right thing and this I'm I'm not sure w if you want to put a point to where exactly we're talking about here, but is the trail that runs right now from the south running up to the north and a dead end, correct? Hardy?

1:07:22The Hardy Trail, you can see it over to the right.

1:07:25Okay.

1:07:26Um go up north of that arrow. North of the there's the Harding Trail, right? Yeah,

1:07:30Hari Trail dead downstairs.

1:07:33And we'll connect with the future. Alright, is there something uh I'm talking about from the south now going to the north? Is there a there's is there a road the trail that's like stops at one point? Is that what we're talking about?

1:07:42Hari Trail, yeah it stops at some at some point and the extension of Morningside Drive. Which has a multi use path will connect with Hyree Trail and take it all the way to U.S. So that connection

1:07:52to the south will now go on with some existing and go through. And that trail is only about seven or eight feet wide, correct?

1:07:57Yes.

1:07:57Okay, so it's gonna be about the same width?

1:08:01the trade

1:08:02s the sidewalk project will be the same width as what's there.

1:08:05It's about five feet. It's gonna be five foot sidewalk.

1:08:08I I don't don't know know why we wouldn't do it seven feet. This is a

1:08:10pedestrian

1:08:11sidewalk,

1:08:11isn't

1:08:11it?

1:08:12Yeah I know. Two to you know two two people Five feet. I mean kids are gonna be if they're riding a bike to school, they're gonna have to go off the road, off the trail, into the grass. All right,

1:08:21so let's get back to the sh if you would on the map show us exactly where this thing is, because I think you're I don't know if you're on the right place or not.

1:08:28Do you see Hester there, Gina? Right below Advent Health Dade City. Oh I think right in the north. to Coleman. See Coleman all the way past the intersection of Old Santa Ann Road and Coleman Avenue.

1:08:41It's after the apex there the the two roads converge.

1:08:45But I think some of that some of that sidewalk is five foot and some of it is six foot. So it's not it's not the trail yet.

1:08:57Right,

1:08:57so just right along that.

1:08:58South south. So

1:08:59so Hardy would be a different thing that we can add on and make it wider and make that a trail as it's a trail.

1:09:09But this is being paid for with lab funding?

1:09:12Yes.

1:09:12With what funding?

1:09:13The construction, yes. And

1:09:15so you can you explain the local agency program in thirty seconds towards

1:09:19the

1:09:20easement.

1:09:20Yes, it's uh basically they fund projects that are uh connected to uh safe routes to schools and things uh and those similar pro programs. So th this money came for that purpose, helping schools get better. access for students.

1:09:35So the this is the the who whose money is it federal money?

1:09:39These these are fed the federal money through the lab program.

1:09:43This side one? No, I

1:09:45don't think so.

1:09:47This did not go through the ranking process that we have at MPO?

1:09:52I'm not sure. This was funded by the from uh the lab pro program. The design was funded through the lab program.

1:09:59The lab program is is managed by the state. It is federal funds, but the lab program is is overseen by Have

1:10:06we ever done any lab?

1:10:10Interesting. I don't remember hearing that one. Um is there a way we can at least get that to six feet so two people can walk side by side or someone can pass someone safely on the side?

1:10:20We will we will look into it. Uh there may be right of way issues and uh usually that's what keeps us from going to six feet. Usually our purpose and intent is to h give as much uh width as we can, but most of the time we are limited by the right of way and that's when we go to the minimum which is five feet. But we will we will look into it.

1:10:41I think I think part of it is scheduled to be five feet but another part is six foot. So I don't know which part. That's it might be right on Morning side. But right along there there's no sidewalk, there's a lot of

1:10:54sidewalk

1:10:54to the

1:10:54high school

1:10:55right there.

1:10:56And kids write a lot of different kind of motorized things to school these days and if you can't pass each other safely it causes Oh, I understand emergency issues when one of 'em has to

1:11:10You know. And to that point, Commissioner, you have an item later on in today's agenda where we're looking at pedestrian standards across all of our collectors and arterials. So I think, you know, that move too will set the stage to have less of these to have to deal with in the future.

1:11:23It it'd be good to uh Take this and actually go back and and look at it and see where the Orange Mount Trail is gonna come in and it'd be good to have that knowledge for both actually. Okay, so yeah and meet

1:11:36that back and report back on yes

1:11:38Commissioner Marion. So I would I would say that you know with what we're working at I and I just drove up this road again. I've been down there when all the f all the flooding that we had with the people are in the low areas here that have been out of the homes from like like my This air hole area is low. The area that's alongside the road is very is very narrow, so I'm sure that it is tight to to that because it's tough to get the sidewalk in, but I think it's a much needed sidewalk because it's a it's a dangerous road to have a kid set out on it. So I I'm gonna support it to uh move on to it. And when we do the Hardy Road, Hardy

1:12:08Trail, let's make sure we continue that on because it's a it's a nice trail that just like stops. Yes. So that'd be nice to carry.

1:12:14Well that's how that's how the or the the way the Orange Belt Trail is getting to what the Lakuchi State Trails connect him to the Hardy Trail.

1:12:20Yeah, and that's and that's good. But this

1:12:21is

1:12:22separate needs separate things

1:12:23and

1:12:23it's a good setup.

1:12:24But I would like to say I would like to look for money from somewhere to make it all six feet. If we have to buy more right away, let's find the money and you're gonna take away drainage

1:12:34drainage. We'll

1:12:36take away drainage if we try. Yeah, there's a number of challenges. I know it's this may seem like a sidewalk, but nobody wants to walk through a sidewalk that's underwater either. And so drainage, right-of-way width, those types of things do come into play and looking at clear zones. So they have a number of challenges that they that they'll go through, but we'll report back on on the particular one and just know that the staff does have an eye to the future understands what the board's wishes are when it comes to these sorts of things.

1:13:02So I think that'd good be report back and see where the Orange Belt Trail plays into this so we make sure that hardy connection all trail connection gets gets done the right way. So but

1:13:14that I

1:13:15move

1:13:15approval. Second