Palm Wind MPUD 319 single family units

2:02:22Next item is P seven, palm wind.

2:02:43Good afternoon, Orlando Borraz. Um recurrent planning. Before presenting this MPUD, I would like to say that the expertise have been submitted into records with the clerk office. And would like to also correct that it's only a portion of parcel ID 33, 24, 17, 00, 00, 011, 00, 0020.

2:03:09So This is going to be P D D twenty three, seventy six thirty three. Here is the location map. Um this is located on the south side of Hudson Avenue, approximately um half a mile from the east from east, sorry, um Peace Street Road.

2:03:29This is going to be um the zone in district surrounding the area. These are going to be um the official languages surrounding also the area. And the request for this is to rezon from an agricultural residential and agricultural zoning district to an MPUD to allow 319 single family detach units in approximately 116.75 acres.

2:03:56The applicant is requesting the following variation from the LDC, 901.6.11. They are requesting to not interconnect into the south side of the subject property.

2:04:09staff is um amenable with the uh to grant the relief of this section of the land development code since the applicant will be providing an emergency access to Fair Winds Road through Shix Road. This will easy traffic on the First Wind Road, which is not designed to serve high volume of traffic. Here is your master plan. And here are definings of facts. Sorry. The LDC specifies embarrassment.

2:04:34Can you go back to the master plan?

2:04:35Yeah, sure.

2:04:37So this is different than the one that's in On the published agenda, could you just explain to the Planning Commission how it's different?

2:04:46Yes. Um in this one, the applicant is proposing the interconnections to west and to the east side of the subject property. And probably that's going to be the difference with the one that was published.

2:04:57Thank you.

2:05:01And here are the findings of facts for this MPUD. DLDC specifies that variations from this code may be reviewed and approved by the Planning Commission and the Board of County Commissioners during the public hearing. Um held for an M P U D. variations should be allowed where the BCC specific specifically finds in the particular case that the proposed variations meet or exceed the intent of this code. PDD staff has re has reviewed the requested variations and found that they meet or exceed the intention of the code. PDD staff has also identified a colony road, which is

2:05:31a Vision Road. um alignment is going to be shifted to the west, and therefore the proposed development will not will not need to, sorry, to dedicate additional right-of-way for this vision road. The applicant is also proposing an emergency access through Chicks Road connecting to Fairwinds Road. and the proposed development is intended to be gated. Last finding of five will be the proposed request is consistent with Pasco County LDC, the comprehensive plan. And the section five twenty two point

2:06:01nine, I mean five twenty two I'm sorry, from the L D C

2:06:07P D staff recommends approval with conditions to the BCC.

2:06:12All right, thank you. Any questions so far?

2:06:23Mine up.

2:06:33Mr. Chairman, while she's pulling that up, Clark Hobby again, 109 North Brest Street, Tampa, Florida, have been sworn. I'm here on behalf of the applicant. We'll run through a PowerPoint with ya in just a sec as it comes up. Here we go. Oh there, perfect. So uh we've got a full team here. Steve Henry's our our transportation engineer and we've got Atwell as our planners and uh as our project engineer and Brian Skidmore is here um as our environmental

2:07:04consultant. So the area we're dealing with today lies uh north and immediately east of Nature's Hideaway, uh which is a nudist resort, I guess you would say, um, to our west, and is an area, pretty much everything in this area is planned res 3 or res six. And has been b everything from colony. To the east, all the way to the Sun Coast, has been building out

2:07:34since the mid to late eighties. And

2:07:40You can see from the larger areas some of the development that's going on and has been going on in Meadow Oaks for many years. and of course Lakeside and so those two projects um alone are 955 units in Lakeside, which was approved in 2007. And of course Meadow Oaks was originally approved many years ago, but it has eight is approved for eight hundred and fifty five units, whereas this is a fairly small uh project it's 116

2:08:10acres and we're only proposing 319 units. Um both of those other projects uh allow either 40 or 45 foot lots. Um Uh as some of you are probably on the board, there was a substantial mod to Meadow Oaks just two years ago to allow for forty foot lots. And so that's the emerging trend really in the development business, even though the board's having conversations about that now. Again, there's the future land use map and you can see the development what's going

2:08:40on here when the There's a pending MPUD that's called Sanctuary Farms 3 over on Hayes Road or adjacent to the Duke Energy Power Line. And when that is done, pretty much everything in this area Um will have been built out that could be built out that's of any size from here all the way over to the Sun Coast. Um some of our neighbors, you know, are I'm sure they've lived there a long time and and know that Hudson's had a

2:09:11rural fear feel for many years. Um There is an identified rural area for Hudson and that's all on the north side of Hudson Avenue and that's probably why none of these projects over the last five, ten, fifteen years have been emerging on that side. They're all on the south side of Hudson Avenue. Um and again you can see the large MPUDs in the immediate vicinity on on this slide. Um the discussion point that David

2:09:41brought up is a good one about interconnectivity and I'm saying this for the Planning Commission as much as for our neighbors who may be here who aren't aware. We worked with staff to create uh better interconnectivity uh on the west side by adding uh what's going to be a connection to the ultimate colony road extension when it's built. That's a vision road uh in the in the future. Right now the paved road takes a nine-degree turn to the west. and doesn't get

2:10:11paved all the way up to the site, but there is a small amount of right-of-way there that we're gonna connect to and it's our expectation that when the county builds the Vision Road, we'll have a connection there. And then we also added one on our east side. And part of the reason we did that, and this is why I was referencing the neighbors, Fair Winds is the small road that runs along the south boundary of the site where you see the bottom arrow. Um that is only an emergency access and for

2:10:42the the benefit of our neighbors, that means it can only be used by emergency responders. Um, you know, when there is an emergency within the MPUD or if the access to Hudson Avenue is blocked and so that people could not get out. That will not be used every day. And the reason why I'm telling them is we We were very mindful of them from the time we took the project on not to put a lot of trips on that small road and to then have it go out to the existing

2:11:12colony. Our trips are really gonna go all out to Hudson Avenue. We've studied Hudson and while you may hear folks say it's getting more and more traffic on it, there's adequate capacity there.

2:11:26According to our traffic study, Mr. Henry's here and can answer that. That part of it. And we went through the typical schools analysis with Mr. Williams and and Rich And there's a lot of capacity in the um uh area for the the schools that we're zoned for. We are interesting lot n interestingly not zoned for Hudson uh middle or Hudson Elementary. We're going to Moon Lake Elementary and Cruise Lake. Um Kind

2:11:57of last couple of things I would say to you all is I think you heard last month um more discussion about the emerging uh industrial areas that are not too far from here over at Soft Wind over by Shady Hills and that connection. And that's really now forming what I believe will be a big employment base for our area. And these are the complementary units where people will be able to work in those areas over time. So I think we're going to have a nice mixture

2:12:28of uses going forward. We already have retail uses that have emerged on 52. And I really view everything south of Hudson and east of Colony as really being more influenced by the 52 corridor than the remainder of the more. rural feelings north of that in Hudson. So I think we've got, you know, a plan that's consistent with the the build out of the area. It's compatible with the build out area and it's consistent with the comp plan. So I'm happy

2:12:58to answer any questions you have, but I'm happy to answer any questions that the neighbors have as well.

2:13:04All right. Anything I'm up here? Okay, I we'll see what the neighbors have. Yeah, who do we have on the list, Denise?

2:13:12Um on this list for P seven is Clinton Wynn. Shar and I'm probably not gonna pronounce this correctly because I could barely read the last name. Sharon Benedon.

2:13:27Um Mike Crowder. And some other folks. Take the first three.

2:13:33Okay. And Denise is just wonder if there's somebody on WebEx.

2:13:36Um this is the one that we do have someone on WebEx. I'm not sure if you want to take that person first and let's see if he's still on.

2:13:45Do you wanna do you wanna do WebEx first? Okay.

2:13:58So m Mr. Grimshaw, would you please state your name and address for the record and whether you've been sworn?

2:14:05Uh yes, my name's uh Paul Grimshaw. I'm at uh [address removed]. And I have been sworn.

2:14:19Were you able to hear me adequately?

2:14:21Yes, we can share you fine.

2:14:23Okay, thank you. Yes, I uh so um I just really wanted to address uh maybe not specifically the uh actual development, but more of the change from agricultural to uh really more of a dense housing. Um if you go to the next slide.

2:14:44Um so and you see this all over the the United States, but probably more so in Florida with the obviously influx of residents from multiple states. But uh Uh the American Farm Land Trust describes Florida as the 12 most threatened states in the nation due to loss of farmland and real estate development. So there's there's a couple aspects about this. One is the uh network network effect. Um so is uh uh and this is obviously Pasco

2:15:14County in this area. Excuse me, this area has a rural feel in actual agricultural development. As more and more farmland is changed, farmers are more likely to sell because they lose that whole support network. That could be suppliers. And also this creates this downward spiral, which really is a the social network, the technical network. expertise of neighbors and even sometimes shared resources. So it's

2:15:45more likely to promote the loss of agriculture. Next slide.

2:15:53So uh again this is uh also to really want to prevent a kind of an economic spiral. So uh you know Florida has a large large agricultural base. Um Pasco County itself has uh sixty-four million dollars a year and that's quite a little bit of an old figure. Um And then the other thing, agriculture, you know, farms that use a lot less services to the county. So you're talking 35 cents to $1.16, and you even see that obviously in

2:16:23industrial development. Um the uh other other things not so obvious, uh you know, a lot of times we look at soil or dirt as just you know it's it's nothing. But actually topsoil uh can take up to a thousand years to actually form and it's actually considered in the United States and and over the world actually we're losing. Dramatic amounts of it. In a warm climate like ours, this could be 200 years. So once we turn it over and

2:16:53and uh um really dig it out and and uh destroy it, it's not coming back. So it's a you have to really think uh uh diligently if this is up where you want to go. Uh the next slide.

2:17:11And there's also environmental uh uh benefits. These are usually c termed ecosystem services. So yes, this area looks like it's being built out and and the the impression I get is well, you know, it's all gonna be built anyway. So what's this little spot? Well These little areas, these little pockets of fragmented habitat offer you know filtering of the air, feeding to pollinators, biological pest controls versus spraying pesticides.

2:17:42Um it decreases the temperature because as you And you probably know as you drive to the urban areas like Tampa, the the uh heat island effect from more pavement and and housing uh is substantial. Uh next slide.

2:17:58And then the other aspect is greenhouse gas trapping. You know, the picture to the right is really uh kind of how you know our developers are handling uh the uh um organic material, which is the burn it. Um so besides removing a carbon sink, we're actually increasing the emissions and also degrading air quality in the area. Uh the other aspect is which have been brought up with the other developments is um Yeah, you're removing uh porous surfaces

2:18:29with uh with roads and and there's always an impact, especially as our climate changes and the storm events seem to get worse. Uh next slide.

2:18:41Um again and another uh real uh uh benefit that we see is you know having uh you know food security within our region. Um you know almost 20% of food is shipped from globally, so it's nice to have in your own backyard these agricultural sources. Besides that, there is a you know a tradition from farming that you just can't replace. So it's we sort of kind of

2:19:12decrease these this uh society, it disappears. And honestly, America was uh formed uh based off farming. Uh next slide.

2:19:24Excuse me, sir. Let me just uh caution you that you're getting close to running out of time. So uh I want to make sure that

2:19:31I'm all done. Uh yeah, I'm all done. Uh this is really the last one, just uh to mention that um you know uh Pasco County is you know nine point five percent rural, and we're obviously gonna move towards the Pinellas County. So is that somewhere we really want to go? You know, yes, the capacity roads right now is enough, but there's so many different housing developments. I don't know how you can really predict, you know, from the past data to current. So I mean 300 houses, that's

2:20:01potentially 600 cars. So and that's that's into that. All right. Well thank

2:20:06you very much. Any questions? Anyone? Yeah, sure. Any questions? No. All right, thank you so much. Appreciate that. Thank you. And who's next?

2:20:17Clinton Wynn.

2:20:25Good afternoon. Clinton Wynn [address removed]. Yesterday I was sitting over there for the West Mac. I'm the chairman for the West Mac. And I'm also member at large for the CAZ. Um, I was kind of like the unicorn in the room that surprised planning and the committee with this easement that nobody even knew existed. So There's a twenty acre parcel that's the far east side of the development that my father sold um In

2:20:55two thousand four. Now, all the way to the south, to fair winds, there's this been this easement for years. What brought me back is I got to get my childhood home back in 2015 and restored it. I own right now about thirty-six acres. All to the east of what this development's gonna be. Um I've had good communication. Orlando brought the team out and came out and got the at least walked the parcel. Some of the neighbors are dumping illegally on the easement, making a mess.

2:21:25But either way, there's a 15 foot easement. that both landowners have. I have fifteen. And Mr. Carl Thomas that still owns the land has fifteen. So what do you do with it? Well they're talking about doing erode. Out the fair winds. and then just using it as emergency access. Just trying to find out who would have access to that, right? Um I can just I've got some bullet points just real quick. Fair winds cannot contake any more congestion. Now I've been trying since I've been on the CAC

2:21:55to get Fairwinds Road striped. Not scraped. Okay. I'm not in opposition. I'm not happy about it because I'm zoned ag. I put eighteen thousand pine trees, my daughter's fifth generation. My grandparents bought the property, my late father, Doctor Wynne. you know, helped preserve all that out there. So just the impact you need to look at. And I'm not gonna stop this. I'm just trying to make you think about this. We got one chance to do this and do it right. Um colony road. I know there's the future growth. The kids are

2:22:25out there at dark at a school bus. I've been trying to get the county to look at somewhere safe for the kids. I finally got a white stripe sign at the stop sign. For people. Okay? Um the closest traffic lights we have is Hayes and Hudson. And Moon Lake in fifty two. Think about that. There's no sidewalks out there. There's no lighting. Also Flooding that I'm on that lake. It's been in our family since 1953. I want to know what kind of impact this is gonna have on the lake and the health. I have animals

2:22:56out there, I'm agricultural, so I'm just trying to make sure that we Do this and do this right now. One last topic. My grandmother always said no one would listen to her, The property on Suave Lane, when you guys developed Hudson Avenue. And you went around from suave. Back in the day. the parcel to the north of that flooded. Now I look back up, the county purchased this in 2007 because that property flooded at least four times that I remember going by there. So again, if you guys are gonna

2:23:26do this, let's do it right so we don't flood the other surrounding parcels and the other people that have landowners that don't want to sell. That's all I have. Do you have any questions? I'll be glad to Okay, yeah, well

2:23:38Tisha I I'll let the others answer your question, but I think basically an emergency access is gated and locked and it's used for emergencies only. So it's not something that they're gonna be able to drive through on a regular basis.

2:23:51Right, but who's g where's that thirty feet coming from? Because that fifteen feet I was told I could never touch, right? And then their fifteen feet they were told they could never touch. It's you know, my surveyor that's been out, there's only been two surveyors since we've owned the land that's done it, Casting Engineering and DJ Land, which is now Don Truck and Broad. They know that land. So is this land just untouchable or can someone just say, hey, that's mine?

2:24:16Well I can't answer that question because I haven't seen your deed, but I and I'm not an attorney, but I think that's a good idea.

2:24:28Mr. Hobby's team has looked into the right-of-way. All right. Thanks guys. Thank you very much.

2:24:37Next person is Sharon Benedon.

2:24:48I Sharon Benedam. I live at [address removed]. Okay. Just north of where they're doing this. Um one, we don't Hudson Avenue has got very congested. There have been a lot of accidents where they're planning on putting the road out. They're putting it out in the curves. There's no gonna be nothing but trouble with the all those car six hundred cars coming through there and we had major flooding. In the storm. Not

2:25:18completely underwater, but damn close. I want to make sure they do something because all of that construction All of that. It's gonna flood everything again. We were flooded out for two years.

2:25:31Okay.

2:25:33That it? Yeah.

2:25:37Mike Crowder.

2:25:41Followed by Nanette Hartwell and Charlotte Craven.

2:25:46Hello, my name is Mike Crowder. I live at [address removed]. My concerns are the stormwater runoff. and the retention of that area. It's a low lying area and like Clint Mr. Wynn had said when they moved Hudson Avenue from Swab and put it back there. They dis they displaced billions of gallons of water onto that area. and which does cause significant flooding hazard in the in the b in the past. Since I've lived there, I've

2:26:16been in Pasco County since nineteen seventy-five. And that area, I just wanna know as far as where they're going as far as the retention of the stormwater and the runoff in that area. Um My small parcel, um unlike the other people had said there is That on that curve since I've lived there in the last twenty three years. I have seen nine accidents on that curve. six of which were fatalities. and the the congestion on Hudson Avenue has significantly increased

2:26:47in that area. But those were my only really two big concerns and exactly well, also like where they're going to get their utilities from because we all have wells around there and septics. So how's that gonna affect our wells and our septics? But my biggest my biggest concern is a stormwater runoff and as far as their retention of the water that they're going to have on that property and where it's gonna go, because if it forces it off on me. Uh I I have no place to go. Um I'll my property would be totally inundated.

2:27:18with anywheres from five to ten inches of water. Okay, well we'll give you some answers to that. I appreciate it. Thank you, sir.

2:27:26Thank you.

2:27:29And who's next?

2:27:31Nanette Hartwell.

2:27:34Annette Hartwell?

2:27:42Hello? Hi. Annette Hartwell, [address removed]. I'm in the Naturist Park that abuts to this Uh I have the same concerns as everybody else. Um The wildlife. I saw that they had a mention in here for the gopher turtles. on that property, however, is Wild turkeys. Cranes. And

2:28:13go for turtles. I don't know when they did their their s research on them, but theirs active Turtles out there still. Yeah, dear. There's a lot of wildlife. I just mentioned the few that I've seen. Um Also, we have most of ours is all private wells. We're not on sewer or water or anything with Pasco County. So with this property, how is

2:28:44it going to affect our water, our wells, Is there uh you know there's sewage drainage We don't know how that's going to how long is the construction gonna take place? uh what kind of fences are going to be put around our properties. Uh Are they gonna be wood, or are they gonna be brick? I mean I don't want little kids. coming over the the fence and, you know, being shocked by what they see.

2:29:15Well that's about all I have to ask for right now.

2:29:19Okay. All right. Thank you.

2:29:21Thank you for your time.

2:29:22Thank you.

2:29:24Charlotte Craven, followed by Pamela Avila?

2:29:31Hello, my name is Charlotte Craven. I live at [address removed]. And I live on the Sharon Street, really in the back part, and it's where all the wildlife is at that I see the foxes, turkeys, cranes, the cranes are living out there now. And w I have the same thing as the other lady said as the wells, the water that we have to have and the privacy.

2:29:56Uh Okay. Anything else?

2:29:59That's about it.

2:30:00Okay. Any questions? All right. Thank you very much.

2:30:05You're welcome.

2:30:15I am Pamela Avila, [address removed], yes seven sworn in. Um my questions are Um the gentleman who originally spoke had mentioned the fifty-two corridor. Um from colony road, that's just a U-turn on to fifty two. So that's already a major problem with traffic accidents and so forth. Um Is there gonna be anything done to

2:30:45fifty two to make it be just a turn going east? If you wanna go east on fifty two from colony, you have to cut across the road. and make a U-turn. um to go east. Um I wanna know if there's gonna be any kind of concessions for that. Um I know when all my kids were learning to drive, scary enough, but they had to make that U-turn onto fifty-two. I live on the other side of Fairwinds is where my home is, a down Moose Lane. Um I'm very happy that

2:31:15it's only gonna be emergency vehicles um from the Sheik's Road. Um that's good because fairwinds can't take any more traffic. Um I'm also concerned with the we are on wells. Um if anything does happen with our wells What accountability is there going to be moving forward? Um Uh my I've been here for twenty-three years. on my land and um never had a problem until the house behind me on in the neighborhood got

2:31:45a sinkhold and I had to get a new well. But um I just want to know what can what accountability the developer's gonna have if the homeowners back here start having well issues. Um And uh Let's see. Oh, uh the removal of the wildlife, gopher tortoises. Who does that? Um, who monitors if it is the developer, who monitors where they put them? Um what kind of um accountability is there for that, for the moving

2:32:16of the wildlife. Um I you know heard through people that it's just the developer moves them. I don't know. Um so I would like to know who is responsible for moving and who monitors that. And uh most of my questions have already been asked answered, so I'm not gonna ask any more. Thank you for your time.

2:32:38Um Well like F W C. It's called a gopher tortoise relocation permit or incidental take permit. They capture the tortoises that are identified by a biologist. And then those tortoises are relocated to a recipient site where they're preserved for their lives.

2:33:00So a biologist monitors the developer does. The developer

2:33:03pays significant dollars. It's about five thousand dollars

2:33:07towards

2:33:07the easy.

2:33:10Okay, I appreciate that. I didn't know if Joe Spacatelli on the construction crew just got to move them or if somebody monitors it all

2:33:17right. And and that biologist is a licensed authorized agent by FWC?

2:33:21Fantastic. Thank you so much for that answer. Welcome.

2:33:24Appreciate that

2:33:24opportunity.

2:33:27Okay.

2:33:29Denise anybody else?

2:33:30That was the last person I had signed up to speak on that

2:33:32item. Very good then. Oh we have a hand up back there.

2:33:42Are you on the list?

2:33:43No, I'm not.

2:33:44You're gonna be banned.

2:33:48That's okay to find out where I'm from. Come on. Hi, I'm Marianne Casmal. My address is [address removed].

2:33:57Beautiful.

2:33:58Wonderful, right? Yes. I was sitting there and I'm listening to all this advancement and you know, peop we have to grow. That's part of human nature. And I wasn't gonna say anything until I heard my middle school brought being brought up, Cruise Lake Middle School. That is the only school that Shady Hills has besides two elementary schools. We don't even have a high school. We go to Land O' Lakes or we go to Hudson, which is off of Hudson Ave. All of a sudden Hudson Ave. All of a sudden I find out there's a plastic factory

2:34:28going up. There's all kinds of growth going on out there. But one thing that Shady Hills does not have and the rest of your towns cannot say the same, and I'll bet you a penny, is we do not have sidewalks. Can any of you guys say that? No. We do not have a traffic light. Can anybody else in this room say that? No. We have been forgotten for years. I am the outreach director for the United Methodist Church. For seven years I work with the homeless,

2:34:59I work with children, I work with the whole community. We've been forgotten. We don't we're not saying we don't want growth. We need jobs. We have 90-year-old women pull into our parking lot because of the growth. and they sleep in my parking lot and they're ninety years old because we don't have affordable housing. I hear all this gross. But they don't hear anything for the middle class person. Who needs? Growth. But

2:35:29we need affordable housing. There are over sixty homeless in Shady Hills off of Shady Hills Road. I know, I know where they live, no, you cannot pay me to where they live. They drop off from Moon Lake into Shady Hills. But between County Line Road and the other road, there's no outage. For years we didn't have anywhere to leave. We don't have sidewalks, but you want us to ride our bikes. We don't have sidewalks, but you want us to go down Shady Hills Road with our children. We don't have sidewalks, but no one wants to go on that road to pay the fine,

2:36:00so where do they go? They go through Shady Hills Road. And I'm done. Thank you.

2:36:10We don't have anything. Absolutely We don't even have a laundromat. Can any of you guys say that?

2:36:15I

2:36:15don't have one. Yeah, you have someone that does your laundry, right? Fortunately enough we were able to through the we were able to get a bus that went through Shady Hills Road. We got it. That was our church. We don't have a civic center because one of the past county commissioners has decided to camp out in our civic center. She doesn't pay rent, she doesn't play the electricity. The fact. You can look it up. I don't lie, 'cause I have to answer to God. Think about our tiny little town. That gentleman that's building

2:36:45the three hundred houses. He forgot Shady Hills Road. He forgot Shady Hills. That's our middle school. That's ours. I would love to have more kids.

2:37:00But you still haven't talked to us. And by the way, there's no sidewalks. Thank you.

2:37:06Thank you very much. Appreciate your coming.

2:37:11Did you sign up?

2:37:12No.

2:37:13Oh boy. Come on up.

2:37:16Sorry. Sorry, don't I didn't know what to say, but now I do.

2:37:23Mm is Bridget Erickson. I live on [address removed]. I live right at the corner where the We can't see it. Yeah, I live up. If I live right.

2:37:47Where's the where's the um that's that? Yeah, I live there. All the development. Up there. Uh up up up there. If I live there, right at the corner where this development is coming in. She

2:37:59lives right up here. Right.

2:38:01Oh right there. You see my house right there. But anyway I'm also concerned about the well, the well water. I have horses. This is an agriculture area. Um I've lived there almost twenty years. Um I live on a well. We drink from my water, I bathe in my water, my horses drink from it. Is all of this development going to affect my water? Is all of the chemicals that they're gonna use to make their lawns nice and pretty gonna go into the ground and come into my water? is um is my privacy gonna be taken away? Because apparently

2:38:31it would be if this g gets approved. Are there gonna be more um what w w is this a single are there gonna be rentals? Is this a a home ownership? There's a lot of unanswered questions. And again, back to the very beginning of the first proposition you brought up, one sign. this big was on Hudson Avenue, One sign There are no signs in my area. I o only happen to get a letter because I'm right up next to the property. If I hadn't have told a lot of people, they would have never known. If

2:39:02more signs would have been up there would be more people here. You're not advertising enough for the people in the area to come up here and give them an opportunity to speak. That these this is our livelihood. This is our life. Uh Pasco County's overgrowing and it's um not in a good way. Fire departments you can't keep up. You have uh medical personnel that can't keep up. I'm a claims adjuster for progressive insurance. And I can tell you right now all the uh accidents that are happening because of influx of people and you can't

2:39:32keep up with it. Uh there's not enough sheriffs, there's not enough the police department, there's not enough teachers, there's not enough room for more people right now. It is not built for that. It's going too fast and too much. And it's just not healthy for the environment, it's not healthy for us. Again, there is wildlife out there. Um And I don't know where they say there's not out out there, but there is out there and There would be more people here if you would Give us an opportunity with more signs.

2:40:04We were just not notified and I got the I got the letter in the mail last Thursday and here it is Wednesday. So I have four days to come in here and t I had to take off work to get here. Again like the young other one young lady said, Why can't we have these at night so people can get off work and come here and more people can come here? Why do you have to have them during the day? I understand you work during the day, but is there a way we could rearrange it? My other question is is this it or is this just a um Just to see if it gets approved or is this what

2:40:34next step goes after this?

2:40:39You

2:40:39want to speak

2:40:39to that? Well the answer to the last question is it goes to the Board of County Commissioners. So I don't know what is the date this goes to the Board of County Commissioners? Somebody Orlando, Brad?

2:40:52It goes to the Board of County Commissioners on four eighteen of twenty three. So

2:40:56that would one thirty here. That would be the last step.

2:40:59So four eighteen at what time? One thirty. At one thirty. In this room?

2:41:04Yes, that's correct.

2:41:05Okay. So um I guess if we had more people, maybe we could say more things?

2:41:12Each person gets three each person gets three minutes, so yes, that would be an accurate statement.

2:41:18Okay.

2:41:20Okay.

2:41:20Thanks for your time.

2:41:21Thank you.

2:41:25Okay.

2:41:28Mr. Hobby?

2:41:29Just making sure the coast was clear. Didn't know if we had any more. Ms. Clerk Howby again for the record. Mr. Chairman, I'm gonna pass this letter over to the clerk. We do have a a letter from the Association for the Naturalist Society next to us of no objection, so I'll enter that into the record.

2:41:47Motion to receive and file. Second. Motion is second. All in favor? Aye.

2:41:54So I'll try to knock these out. The questions we received, probably the biggest one we heard the most often was about the wells. We're going to be hooking into the county's central utility system, so we will not have any effect on their wells. So I think if hopefully everyone understands that we will not be doing anything on our site that should have any effect on an off-site well. So So hope everyone uh appreciates that. As you will noted, the gophers have to get relocated to a a gopher

2:42:25relocation bank. And actually my godson operates one of them in Pasco County. And so hopefully we'll be shipping some of those guys off of this site to another site in Pasco County in good uh livable environments similar to what they're used to now. Um I think we heard a couple of questions about congestion on Hudson Avenue, but our analysis shows not only is there not a capacity issue on Hudson Avenue, uh I had Mr. Henry run the numbers out, and we could take a growth rate that's

2:42:55four times higher than the county uses for this area, and there still wouldn't be a capacity issue. So there's not a uh uh capacity issue through our build out date for this project on Hudson Avenue. Um As for I think a few folks were asking about, you know, what are we going to do with fencing and stuff like that? We intend to, you know, uh construct code compliant fencing that's pr gonna be particularly important on the western side of of the site. Um as you all may

2:43:25know, the code no longer allows you to go to eight feet, it's six feet is the height standard for.

2:43:33So that's what will likely be constructed there. The other wildlife where we have protected wildlife, we'll have to follow the rules on that. And uh I know folks love to look at turkeys and stuff like that, but they're not protected. Um people are allowed to hunt them still, and so whatever uh turkeys are in the area to the extent they're affected by our development, they will go to other more rural areas in Hudson. Um, and there's still plenty of those areas around. No. Uh the last thing I was going to say was about Mr. Wynn.

2:44:03I was chatting with him about his easement that he raised. Um, to be honest with you, it did not show up in our title work or our survey, but he provided me some new information today, and I intend to meet with him. And obviously, if he's got an easement over a portion of our site and it's only for roads, that can only be used for roads. So we'll have to design around that. at the time but we intend to meet with him and work that out. Um I think that answered all the questions. Happy to answer any that you may have.

2:44:34fee simple ownership? Is this built

2:44:36around yes this is not a rental this is being built by Taylor Morrison which is a step up builder and would not be a rental community. Oh and there was one error this is not intended to be a gated community either.

2:44:48Okay. Any other questions? Anything about schools?

2:44:53No. We have uh capacity at Moon Lake Elementary, uh Cruise Lake Metal and Hudson High currently.

2:45:01Mr. Chairman one more note. Um the The addition of the interconnects to the east and west are gonna require some changes to the agenda memo and Some of the conditions of approval. So I just wanted to make the Planning Commission aware that there could be changes between now and the board to reflect Those new interconnects.

2:45:20And that's fine with me again. I don't think we need the alt standard that may just go completely away, but we'll work that out with staff.

2:45:28Okay. Thank you. All right. Thank you.

2:45:35Okay. Um

2:45:38Any comments from the dias here? Otherwise I'll hear a motion.

2:45:46Move to approve item P seven P D D twenty three seven six three three.

2:45:51I'll second.

2:45:53We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion of the motion?

2:45:59If not, all in favor, signify by saying aye. Hi. Opposed, like sign. Okay.

2:46:15Oh yeah.