Pump, VOPH maps, tourist development, and bond rating

47:54So we were on me and a discussion of Live Local.

47:58No, we're not going back to that until the end. We're gonna bring we're gonna bring that live local to the last thing.

48:03Okay. Well I have a few more items there.

48:05Okay.

48:06Um you gosh, I'm y'all saw the um

48:13The map. The the uh

48:18The pump? I don't know, I guess I guess. Um

48:24Or you gave us that.

48:26Yeah, I don't know what got my paper. Okay. Well uh let me ask you a question because I pulled this off from V O P H uh out of the packets. And I'm looking at the Um Well I have a question and and I hope that when we have our we're gonna have a V O P H workshop one of these days, right? Um This open space map, is that where So for for the new ones, newbies, when we did V OPH,

48:56there was supposed to be like a village and then a green boundary and then a village and then a green open space boundary then a village. And I know we We played with that a little bit, but is that what this map represents?

49:10Who can answer that?

49:14Nobody? Mm-hmm. Nobody can answer that question.

49:19What is the question? Sorry, I was looking

49:20for our V OPH expert. We

49:22just cut them loose. So

49:23the green boundaries between the different villages and V O P H Okay. Um then I have these future alternative plans. Uh maps. This one I think there's two of them actually. Um

49:42And it th the red lines on here, you guys have these in your books. The red lines on here show the multi purp purpose paths and multi purpose lanes. Um I am curious why it does not show the multi purpose path on Clinton,

50:01And three oh one.

50:10And any others that I may be missing, but

50:13I think that's

50:14a map that goes south of Clinton on three oh one?

50:16Yeah there's a there's a

50:17north of

50:18Clinton. You know the the Dade City Zephyrhills three oh one trail. It's not shown on here. It's right there.

50:24Somewhere we connect there and it goes down through uh

50:26Well we're supposed to, but we didn't build it.

50:29Yeah. They hadn't finished that connection, don't we? Mr. Galvin. So

50:34Yes.

50:36What are we talking about? I'm

50:37so

50:37sorry.

50:39Do you want it?

50:42Yeah.

50:43One has a line through it. I'm not sure what that means. This one and

50:47this one? Oh, yeah. So in spaces. Oh yeah, I'll ask him. On on this map, uh or on that map with the X through it, that's the old map. This map that you see here, if you look in the bottom, you can see the additional parcels that were added.

51:04But where is the multi use Path on Clinton.

51:09Yeah, so that won't show up on these maps, one because they're a little bit older, and two, it's not in our it's not in the counties um

51:21I guess when these maps were made. So it wasn't included. We can do an update to include those in the future. Think

51:26that's part of how they got missed from being built by DOT because they weren't on this map?

51:32Maybe I'm not a hundred percent sure.

51:34Or vice versa, since they you know uh okay, and three oh one trail is already built and it it should be over there. I mean that was built seven or eight years ago.

51:45Yeah, I I can't I don't know the background behind that unfortunately. Um but if they're on the plan and you want them to be shown on our V O P H maps we can actually

51:53I feel that they need to be on here since we are working to get 'em built and if they're not on here, doesn't that hurt us? Isn't wouldn't the developer say, Well it's not in the plan or it's not on the map, so

52:06Hi Brad Tippin Playing Development. Uh yeah, these maps are based on the the elements in the financial plan itself. So some of those items are actually accounted for elsewhere. The 301 trail uh was done separately, uh not a part of the OPH. So that's why that one's not on here.

52:22Is there a way to

52:23put it on here that we

52:25Should we put it on here and in in a different color?

52:28We can mark something as an existing trail. We can do that. Or well we messed up. Well uh get it get that back to us.

52:37I think it should be on here in some way. And then and then Gavin, is this the is this the Is this the buffer between villages map?

52:46No, so that's gonna be um our tore reserve map. That's gonna show our protected uh wetland areas.

52:54Okay, well I'd love to see the buffer map. Yeah the buffer map open space map because that's just what I thought this was. This says open space.

53:01Yeah. We should have a village separator buffer map. I don't know if you printed that one out from Yeah I don't think

53:07it's in here. That's the

53:07one I brought to

53:08the M.

53:09Yeah, so if I think it's a little bit more than a little bit of a

53:13Well that and that's what shows what can actually go on the buffer.

53:17Because this came up in in one of my meetings with uh an applicant. Um

53:24I don't remember their the lady's name. You might know it, Commissioner Oakley, as a family, as a lady on the south side of fifty-two.

53:35Um I don't remember name. Too many meetings.

53:40Somewhere some more in here.

53:44Yeah, so we still do have our our village separator and rural enclave buffers right there and that's the map on pH eight.

53:51So so it's in here in this packet?

53:53Should be in that packet correct, yeah.

53:55Rural village separator. And that's what it looks like because that looks like roads.

53:59No, yeah, those are the buffers on on the outside. If you see the the the pink is the 150 foot village separator buffer, and then the orange is the fifty foot rule enclave buffer that they have.

54:11Okay, hundred and fifty feet. That's interesting. Let me ask a question, Gavin. These buffers between villages and V O P H H they're not to be changed in any way. That buffer stays there no matter what.

54:25Someone's trying to change it. And

54:26there's a few things are happening, I know, and sometimes I hear something about adding to or taken away or But we need to make sure those buffers stay in that village has to fit in there.

54:38Yeah absolutely.

54:42village that's supposed to be there, so We don't need to be changing and it all run together. We want the villages. So

54:49Yeah, absolutely. And the only uh the exception that I know of is when in a village uh boundary is located near a wetland or the core reserve, the map you showed earlier, that all those connected wetlands. Uh we don't uh require them there because it's already a natural buffer. Right. Yeah. But yeah. I understand that. That's good.

55:05Yeah.

55:07A hundred and fifty feet is really not much, sadly. It was bigger but we changed it.

55:12Yeah, but

55:13it's a good thing.

55:15Once everything the trees and all grow in

55:17the

55:17right-of-way.

55:17This map is not in our package that I can find. Maybe I missed it.

55:21Any other questions or any other thing else you have?

55:24That was it. That um and so I think that's that's it from me.

55:27Okay. Move on to Mr. Murano. Um

55:31can you put the map up for Let's talk about tourist development for a little bit.

55:40They've recently done their long range plan, you might say, the destination development str strategy and plan of twenty f Twenty twenty four to twenty thirty three. And I think we really need to pay attention to the findings. Maybe get a presentation in front of us coming up. And if you look at the left side of the map there. Uh five out of the six areas visited most predominantly were in West Pasco. So I just want to say that. We should be taking a look as we go further to to to find ways to use some T D C money

56:10for uh the West Side.

56:11I was gonna put this up too, but he's coming to us next month, I think, within a

56:16little bit well you're gonna be aware of it, you may

56:17want to. Look at the West East Side over here.

56:22You have a question for

56:25up in Tallahassee, I think Ralph or somebody mentioned that the legislature is looking at raiding T D C funds. Was that part of the FAC conversation? Or I know y'all were laser focused, but I just didn't know if you heard any of the questions.

56:37I I think what they were trying to do is to keep the funds from being able to use for other things and keep the fund allocations where they are. Uh instead of using it for housing, for roads, et cetera, to keep the focus just on with with the current T D C D C availability of funds are are right now.

56:53So you think those funds are secure to

56:55Do I think they're secure? I mean and anything can change. I mean Monroe County's going real hard at their issue of trying to get affordable housing. Um Orange County I think wants more flexibility too, so Those two are trying to open it up more, but I think uh Everybody in the tourism industry wants to keep it where it's the money stays more to just generate heads and beds.

57:18Mr. Starkey,

57:18you had a question for the

57:19first time.

57:19Well, I was just gonna say Jack's time, so we we had a we had a he's out he asked a question. We had a very lengthy discussion in fact about about this. M Munro County is stating that they had the support of their hospitality industry because they don't have any workforce housing for the people who work in their hotels and Restaurants and they're busting them in fr from hours away. Whether that's we're not waiting into that, whether that's true or not, but Um In every one of our

57:49delegation meetings, uh we had Adam talking about The the that we don't want that to happen to us. Yeah, we want to keep ours limited.

57:59Okay. Jack, you got any more items?

58:02Yeah, a couple more items. Um I wanna say we tal we talked earlier today with uh Bill Cronin about the uh Hurricane Rum for the Rolling Stones. And uh I got a letter from uh Spencer and uh he was he saying hope things are good with you. As you remember some time ago we discussed training for the new machinery which has now c been completed. The delivery and training took place in two phases due to late delivery of the strap applicator. Which by the way When I had seen the assembly line going there was like one more thing they had to add, but they were waiting for the pitch to come in. uh which had to be

58:32modified to work for the crossfire hurricane bottle. Both training sessions were three days long each due to the complexity of the machinery operation competence. And with such sophisticated aud automation, I was glad you were able to present on your previous visit to see the witness of production and the general experience and excitement of such unique product. Current exposure for Pasco County s surpassed expectations. There's much more to come. Uh then he lists off five different people that have taken the training and special activities uh on the line as well. But uh he's very thankful and uh

59:02again it was a it was a great investment by a uh using E D C funds to to go forward. So I want to thank you for that. And he he's very thankful. Um there is an issue that's floating out there. Um I'm not sure how familiar Mike you are with this or or Roy, but um or even uh Mm. Denise, but we have got a n uh nonconforming signs issue on Embassillos Plaza and other shopping plazas where new or existing businesses are prohibited from placing or altering building frontage signs because of non-existing

59:33nonconforming polar signs on the parcel. Embassy Hills has threatened legal action if a change is not made to the code. Uh there's a Bells at Point Plaza US nineteen and fifty-two. Um Hudson's Discount Grocers at at Embassy Plaza in US nineteen. Um there's a uh I say I'd say there's a it's written up here as a recommendation to revise twelve oh three point four point B one to exempt the existing shopping plaza along US nineteen corridor. to encourage economic redevelopment. And

1:00:03when I say that I I think we need to bring this back as an issue to go to go take a look at it. Um What you have is is a plaza on US nineteen that has a pole sign out front. Inside the plaza there's all sorts of small businesses that are there. the one business that wants to come in now to replace another one that's there cannot come in and put a sign up on their building because of the poll sign that's out front. It's maybe it's an unintended consequence, but I think it's something we need to address. Um otherwise we're probably gonna face a lawsuit.

1:00:34Well Can I speak to that? Um and Denise, can you come up? Um you know, we worked hard on this s the sign ordinance for years um whose part of its purpose is to kind of clean up the county because there's a lot of ugliness on US 19. I'd be happy to show photographs. And um And I have worked with all my companies that have to grant have new signs. And we have the same

1:01:04situation and they have brought down that monument sign and their I mean that old sign. And they're putting in the new conforming sign. So I don't know if you want to address it, Denise.

1:01:14Um Denise Hernandez Planning and Development. So I mean I could show you the the actual before and after, um the location. Not not to to go against what you're stating, Commissioner Mariano, the one at 19 and 52 actually came into conformance. So that's that's done. It's we worked with them. That's they they now have signs that are actually conforming. They were able to put the the ROS and other things that were coming in there that were newer.

1:01:42We also have like a lightning speed permitting process for them that we have established so that they are not without a sign for an for a period of time. Like literally, the inspection is done the exact same day. So we have we have uh

1:01:58optimizing

1:01:59all of our correct we've optimized all of our process. processes and I and this is not me doing it, this is actually BCS who's done a fabulous job. I do want to give a big shout out to Ronald Garrito who's doing an amazing job. And I'm I'm also we also work very closely with uh with the property owners. We meet with them, we talk to them. Um so So uh of course it's to to the pleasure of the board, but I do want to say that when we were doing when we were doing our um uh workshops with the board,

1:02:29the board asked for that to to happen. Um, because at one point in time there was a a concept of thinking that uh signs could be sunseted, that they have an actual uh time a timeline or life uh behind them. And we have actually also we would actually like to show you some of the the good things that have come across. There have been a lot of the mo the most expensive part of a sign is actually the pole that the sign sits on. So a lot of these properties have been able to actually retrofit their existing

1:03:00signs to just put something around the pole to make it an actual monument sign. Uh there's many locations, including a location over it in uh Land O' Lakes that have done that and um and and it those have been successes.

1:03:11We also had the Burger King take the their brand new faces that were up on poles and bring 'em down and make them be the poles and it so cost them very little. And I just drove to Tallahassee. And they had some storms come through last week or in the last few weeks. And their lollipop, that's the standard name for the the Yeah. Most of them were all Bust it up. I mean, wait till you see it tomorrow when you get to uh Perry and all them there. All their signs are destroyed.

1:03:39So let me ask question, Jack. Uh did did they go in and talk to Denise or their o Well I

1:03:44know they were working on it and this is I was supposed to actually bring this up two weeks ago, but we got tied right through it so I'm But see if they've

1:03:50gone in if they'll come in and they'll work with them.

1:03:52Yeah and I del Denise I'm delighted that you have uh work it up with them. Hopefully the other one's gonna come along as well. But I wanted to Again, when you when someone threatens like that, I need to bring it before the board. So thank you for the great work. I didn't get the update, so great work on that.

1:04:05Yeah, again, I I really do want to give a shout out to Ronald Garrito in Building Construction Services. He is, as far as I'm concerned, he's like a rock star. And so is Elizabeth Blair, who's absolutely fantastic and fabulous, and I love working with her. And definitely David Goldstein, who's I mean, worked with with us as well through the process. So thank you so much.

1:04:23And it is making a difference on what our roads look like. Okay.

1:04:28Is that everything, Jack? Uh just um one other item. We talked about this item before. Um There's a As I can best summarize, there's a home that's gonna be demolished on a property with a new home that's gonna be replacing it. Um And the people wanted to stay in their home until the other one was either built or done. Um I don't know if we're gonna look at that again but maybe we can bring it up the next meeting. To see if that's gonna be an issue that we want to address.

1:04:58I think we had one before where someone was living in it wanted to live in a trailer while their home was being built. Um I can I'll fold this onto the staff so I can look at a little bit closer. Um I do wanna say um I was out at the Wiregrass Ranch, we had a uh a volleyball tournament out there. The place was absolutely packed. Moniker and the team did a phenomenal job. Um We do We will have to look at parking somewhere down the road, parking garage and what have you. Um some say it may have to be a a pay pay for type thing, but it it's definitely

1:05:29gonna be a need 'cause those we have the other parcels that are coming as well, so Uh definitely some things are gonna be looked at there. Right. That's all I have, sir. Thank you. Thanks, sir. Mr. Kabal. Oh no one one more thing.

1:05:44I think you uh you you well you may bring it up, but I had the I need that letter signed by you to uh be s continue on sec as secretary treasurer for the Gulf consortium. So I need the board's approval for that.

1:05:53Move to approve. Second. Okay. I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Okay. Thank you. Motion passed four zero. Okay. Mr. Cabal?

1:06:06Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just a couple of quick things. One, just a good news item. Thank you to the board for participating in the strategic plan and the budgeting workshop last week. Uh I mentioned there that um We had received an upgrade in our bond ratings, and I just want you to know that that uh bond rating actually monetizes to roughly about $175,000 a year in debt savings for this last tranche of uh of general obligation bonds. I'm sorry, $176,000 in savings for debt service uh in the latest tranche of

1:06:36uh general obligation bonds. That we issued last board meeting, I think, or gave us authorization. So uh just the effect of bond ratings and good financial stewardship. It it's a it's a good thing. So just uh just thank you for that. Uh the other thing just uh you should have in front of you or at least hand it out to you your packets for uh the legislative session here inside is your s schedule as well as just a number of other other pieces of of information that we felt was was going to be important. I know I'll be there, I think attorney Steinschneider

1:07:07will be there. Um and uh you know we look forward to a successful uh Successful day in Tallahassee. That's all I have.

1:07:13Okay.

1:07:15Um The

1:07:16standard? I don't have anything generally for the board.

1:07:19Okay. Okay, I had something.

1:07:21Clark has something?

1:07:22Yeah, she left me a couple of things. We have a couple of events. We have the big shred and that's happening in Newport Ritchie this weekend. It's here at the West Pasco uh Judicial Center from ten till noon and then again next Saturday, February the third in Dade City. That is in partnership with Covanta, Shred 360, and Keep Pasco beautiful. So we'd like to thank Pasco, the County, for helping us with that. Also, the Valentine's Day wedding ceremony coming up on Valentine's Day, February the 14th at 11 o'clock. That's

1:07:52going to be at the historic courthouse in Dade City. We have 25 couples limited to that, and the registration deadline is February the 9th. That's all.

1:08:01So all you guys want to get married, that's the day to do it. At the courthouse. I expect to see you. Thank you. Um Okay, I have a uh a couple item one item I need uh I want to recommend Alan Altman. Uh step up and take uh

1:08:19value

1:08:19adjustments member's seat on the value adjustment board. So I need a motion. So I got a a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye.

1:08:29Great work.

1:08:29Motion passed five zero. I glad to I He left because of uh not being on the school board anymore, but then I we talked him into it. But he was very willing to come back and do that job and he he did a good job with that when he was on school board too. Yeah. So I was I was appreciative of him stepping up. Um Commissioner Oakley has asked for a letter of support Uh For position on the uh Dovef consortium. You just

1:09:00took that motion.

1:09:01Mm-hmm.

1:09:01That's motion you just made. Um that Jack just uh Commissioner Mariano just asked the board for approval is

1:09:11Oh yeah, this is a motion.

1:09:12Yeah.

1:09:14Okay. So this is uh for Gov consortium.

1:09:18Right.

1:09:19He wanted a support letter for uh the treasure position with them.

1:09:23That's just that's what you just did.

1:09:25I

1:09:25thought you might be doing, I'm sorry. Oh that's what I just said. Yeah.

1:09:28Okay. I was doing it so but I have the letter ready, but uh um so we've all voted on it now. So you're at the letter would be sent right now. So it's signed. I figured everybody would be approving on on that, but I had it ready to go in the mail. So my assistants got making sure that's taken care of.

1:09:48Thank you very much.

1:09:49Um Let me think. All right. Uh I've got something.

1:09:56So um well I'm gonna ask Jack about the seawalls later, I guess, because I have a question on that. Um but if you could zoom in to where it says um Where the word army is on Salvation Army?

1:10:09Okay, see that property. Um the long skinny one right above that arrow. Um the gentleman that owns that Actually I was talking with him yesterday about his sign. It's it's where we had a lot of homeless people living. Um But no no go back to the um aerial other shot. He told me he's trying to sell it. For an a used car lot. And I

1:10:40don't this is where's David Engel? This is just my frustration when When it's anything goes on here. Um for redevelopment. If we had if we had the ability Like both those parcels are for sale. So if someone had this parcel on the parcel below, which was the old Helen Ellis Walk-in Health Health Center. It's a much more attractive parcel for redevelopment. But now

1:11:10I got this one guy who said that this piece has been for sale forever. And it's gonna be a used car lot. potentially 'cause they're they have to put in a fire hydrant and I don't know how that works. We couldn't figure that out yesterday. Brad, that's why I was calling you. Um so I I I just as we talk about redevelopment and what's Best for the nineteen corridor. I d I just wanted to bring this up that I'm I'm frustrated if we gotta let

1:11:40this If that w if we have to let this be a a car a used car dealership. So Okay.

1:11:50I have s like seventy of 'em all around that and they look nasty.

1:11:56That's it.

1:11:57Okay.