Employment center, baffled boxes, Wiki Wachi, homeless camp

2:14:12Commissioner Mariano.

2:14:13Thank you. Uh I do have a few items. One of them came up today uh when Dr. Blanco come up forward and he made the m mention of we should change a look at changing the rule of having residential um requirements on EC property. So I think it's makes a lot of sense. We we found out that our multifamily for apartments were good for the next ten years anyway. Uh there's enough traffic up and down nineteen. I think we need to shift gears and take all the AC properties uh and and

2:14:44allow them not to have residential if they so choose. I Anyone agree with that? I don't disagree.

2:14:52Just and I'm not sure. I would want planning staff to weigh in, but my recollection of the reason why We were doing that was so people could live, work and play. Right. Just like what's that place that's down there um in uh Um Uh in Pinellas County by the airport with all the businesses and the residential That you went I didn't get to go on that trip, I wish I had, but Um Jable's right by there. Carolon? No. Well yeah, this

2:15:22is Carolon. So that's an example of where you have an employment center and residential all together and so people can just live there and work there. So

2:15:35It's a good planning thing to ha to be able to have that kind of opportunity.

2:15:41If you have a large person that wants to come in and they don't want to have a residential, they want to have all employment center, why would I want to discourage that? Keeping the option there is good. But if I've got someone, especially at this point right now, we've got to create what, 150,000 jobs in the next twenty years? then let's let them decide if they want to have the residential component or not. Not make it mandatory. Give 'em the flexibility so it's there, but don't make it mandatory that they have to have it. That's the change I wanna make.

2:16:07So so let me ask um is so we don't have any planners well, okay, we have one here but not the head guy. Um So I'm thinking about North Point. Um Think about North Point where Metler Toledo and Touch Point and all came in and they had to come in and get a change to put those con those are those apartments or condos there. So what where why did they have to go through that because they wanted that there and others are required to.

2:16:33Uh so uh the employment center uh as a land use and the employment center as M PUD are both the only portion I believe uh that we have that actually contains a minimum Of each of the different types of uses as well as the maximum. So they were either under one of those or over one of those, and that's why they had to make those changes. But that is something I'll make sure that I'll pass this on to Terry, our director, Terry Pitos, and maybe

2:17:04at the next Planning Commission meeting we can have an agenda item to discuss this. This briefly uh and discuss it further in more detail um when he's available and we can see how you'd like us to

2:17:17lose a big um employment opportunity. Because there's not enough space because they're required to have multifamily.

2:17:25Uh and and we've generally supported uh comprehensive plan amendments to something like an industrial land use uh in those situations where you can you can remove the the EC land use from it. It's just a time consumption. issue. And if they're wanting to move quickly, that's

2:17:43the problem. I mean I I let the county attorney weigh in. I think if I'm not correct, Commissioner Oakley. What he's stating, we don't want to have to go we don't put you through that process. We don't want to put the applicant through that process. What can we do as a board to change that policy now?

2:17:58In High Point would think when they came in they wanted more residential to come in to make it offset so they could actually sell the property and still Make make the deal work. So they went the other way and actually put more residential than more commercial.

2:18:13Yeah. Well I wanted a Mr. Stein's letter if

2:18:16we came to the Seth Weightman.

2:18:19What you have to do is change the EC requirements in the comp plan or the land development code wherever they reside and they may be in both.

2:18:29Yes, it's in both. There's a the E C in the Comp plan would need to be changed and then the that requires a E C M PUD in the land development code that would need to be changed.

2:18:39So you would have to direct staff to process those amendments.

2:18:44And I also think we should be taking into consideration all the new multifamily units that are already on fifty-four. Instead of having to add new multifamily in an employment center on fifty four, we should take look and can take into consideration all the multifamily that surrounds it within a square mile radius or straight square radius. Well c kind

2:19:05of agree at it that's kind of all that. Building on what she's saying, it would be really good if We did our planning so that say Dr. Blanco's um property comes in um that people who want to access working there don't have to come down to fifty four and go go back up, that they should be connecting to you know, Bexley or whatever's over there and and be avoiding getting out on fifty four. We're gonna really shoot ourselves

2:19:35in the foot if we use fifty four and fifty two for everybody to get out of their neighborhood and to the grocery store. It'll be eventually a parking lot. We have to have alternative.

2:19:49Yeah. So I'm gonna make a motion for staff to Look at an item to bring back to us to change the land development code. Um local zoning ordinance to go forward to remove plan and comprehensive plan. Thank you. Uh to remove it and bring it back to us um as quick as possible.

2:20:10Okay, all in favor? Aye. I was waiting for you to call it.

2:20:14Madam Chair, just to be clear, North Point was not an E C land use.

2:20:18Okay.

2:20:18It was just a normal M P U D.

2:20:21in and change some things.

2:20:26Okay.

2:20:26Okay.

2:20:27Uh anything else? Yeah, I've

2:20:28got a few things.

2:20:29Okay.

2:20:30Uh Tampay Essuary program is going to be meeting next Uh Friday. And one of the things Mike they had mentioned was about Reclaim Water. I didn't want to bring the conversation up today because I knew we were going to be pressed to finish what we had to get done in the morning. But do you have any re any idea of what they're going to do as far as like asking us to treat our reclaim Water more at this point.

2:20:54Short answer is no. I think that that is uh a voluntary thing. With with the estuary committee. I mean they were there was a consortium on nitrogen, as I as I recall, but Um you know we we currently meet our permitted standards for secondary for for reuse and that's where we're planning to stay for now.

2:21:13Okay. I'll find out more if they're gonna go further. I just thought you might know or might have heard. Um When we had uh the Fertilized rodents. We're also talking about how the nutrients get into the waterways. Um and I'm wondering what the board thoughts are For those that live on canals, those that live on the waterways that go out to the Gulf Do we want to look at s maybe some Yeah. To have the our our group go out and take a look and and kind of advise people maybe they should be holding on to their

2:21:43grass. Um instead of letting it you know, kinda go into the canals by blowing it in as you're as you're mowing the grass back and forth. Same thing with trying to caution golf courses or other other properties along there to make sure we kind of minimize the amount of grass that gets in our waterways. Anyone have any thoughts to that or something?

2:22:04I'll move along. Uh do you have the picture of the city of Tampa?

2:22:12Uh the map is fine. So um Colleen, my assistant and I went down with some staff folks. Um Sammy Huey and Alan Bildercombe. We took a look in the in the city of Tampa, all the baffled boxes he had done. And they've actually started on these twenty some odd years ago and they showed us What some of the older ones, the newer ones And Um how they had gone through and and done it. And I think it's something that's gonna be coming up strong every time I'm talking about these environmental conferences right now, they're bringing it up. Um

2:22:43these are the areas that are right across uh from the Um

2:22:50Uh convention center going across, there's a park that's there, and they've got these facilities that take all the water well before it goes into the Gulfway, holds onto it, they take the sediments out, and they also collect the trash. Uh certain neighborhood areas, uh this is a lower income area where all the water coming down. Actually, there's not lower income here, but uh it takes the water from all the way down those streets, and like at Neptune, you see those in the

2:23:16uh debris before it gets down to the waterway. Next picture. And then that kind of shows you there's a there's an overview of a couple more that are out there, give another picture or two.

2:23:31Uh actually that pre that last shot you just had? Yeah, this is a picture of how they actually work at it. uh into these covers that are there they can lift them up, go through a protected. There's some monitoring devices about how much sediment they're taking out, uh start at the park. Uh keep going. This is when they lift the cover up, they take a vac truck that goes in there, they suck all the debris out, take all the trash from the screens that are out there, so the water that gets released is done out and they haul the trash away. It's a lot easier to take it out beforehand. It

2:24:02can get cleaned thereafter. So this was probably done just about a month ago and uh just starting to build up. Go ahead.

2:24:10Yeah, that's how the leaves can even just go in effect. That that actually comes right by the little league park we just saw in Estrella. Where the leaves are going in there and we actually said, you know, maybe you should get a program to get a to collect all the leaves before they even hit that, but they're working on that.

2:24:22And maybe putting some screen that goes up two feet on a fence so it doesn't go past the screen,

2:24:27just like on

2:24:27the Ridge Road extension?

2:24:28Yeah. So there's a couple of that were along the roadway. Go ahead.

2:24:33Wow, they have a lot of potholes or pot ho ho manholes right in a row right there.

2:24:37Just because they're collecting all the trash as it goes down. Look at all the trash that goes in there. And they they get that before it hits the waterways.

2:24:44Are they usually a set of three or is it

2:24:46usually it's three, yes. And you can see the first this first sediment box collects the most and it gets minimized after that. Uh keep going. Okay. And this one here I really like. This is going into see the waterway that's right there? So the runoff from coming up the street comes all the way down. And if it doesn't get collected from the rocks and everything right there, it'll wait. There's a seawall that goes up there just a little bit and then it gets treated again before it releases out there. If a big storm surge comes in, it's gonna come in, but to that level which is pretty much takes care of it.

2:25:16Mm-hmm. in gr in great shape they are holding the water back and then treating it before it releases back in. So I I want to I want to commend them. Uh they have done a phenomenal job for twenty years, improving their water quality as well as improving the safety of all the people to actually reduce flooding from all the stuff they are doing.

2:25:32And their waters I'm sure are much cleaner and clearer.

2:25:35Much cleaner. I mean they're making some great progress. If you saw one of the pictures on the map. east side of the Tampa Bay There's a one side in the middle of the I think it's the Gandhi Bridge. Uh in that right side of the map, the eastern side of the map, where they have these baffle boxes. That water quality is great. When they go the other side, the St. Pete side, there's no baffle boxes there that we saw. Um water quality isn't is losing. more more than any any place in the area.

2:26:09we went and dove along Gandhi. This was thirty years ago. Oh, it was so dangerous they pulled us out of there because you couldn't see. Mm. And we are just all beginning divers, so They um they said the conditions were too bad and too dangerous. So

2:26:25I'll tell you when the when they did the kind of Remember the wig big wig board open they had about ten years ago when they first like going through the park? They ran it down in the in the b in the bay in front of the convention center. Just watching the water as brown as it was going through Those skis, you talk to 'em later on, they couldn't wait to get out of that portion.

2:26:43Yeah.

2:26:43And get back up to Sun West where it was much cleaner. Okay. Um so just to say that's what they're doing there. Uh they have this nice thing which is maybe something Mike we can cooperate, blowing leaves into the street, grass as well, is illegal in can in your tick in the city of Tampa. That's probably a good thing to pass out to Kona. Ship it along the way just so people know that you don't want to clog up All y all your drains. And this is just kind of one of the things they say. So um just an opportunity to to take a look at it. When Linda says what they do is they

2:27:13they just promote it, get it out there and I think it helps them.

2:27:19Okay. Um now I got uh I was at a place on my birth my wife took me up to the Wiki Wachi Rogers Park. Uh please call the upper deck. She had been up there probably two weeks before, three weeks before with some friends who were uh doing some kayaking. So this is a picture of the sign of the entrance of the park. Um It used to be filthy. Yeah. So take a look at this right here. As you look at the steps that are right there. This is kind of what I showed you about pictures of Switzerland. Talking about Hudson Beach, if we took a seawall Stepped it down what people get into. They've

2:27:49done it here. If you look on the other side, see the seawell on the back side? The sand that's over there, that's their beach area. Now my wife said years ago when she took the kids up It was all a sand area that was kind of went into the canal. And what did they do? They put the seawall up and they'll show you a picture in a in a minute. It steps down a little bit to make it safer. And now it holds all the s all the sand from going into the canal. And you could create a swimming area. The steps going down, they put s even banks down the end, but here it is. We can walk walk right into the water

2:28:19and go, uh keep going. There's an area where people can kind of put their feet, sit there, or even sit on the edge of that and go into the into the water. And it's a great swimming area which we can do. We can mirror this, frankly, at Hudson Beach, just like we talked about. They only did this a few years ago.

2:28:35Right.

2:28:35So f we're gonna go pull the permits, find out how they did it, how they applied, et cetera, take a look at it. But we could have a great area in front of Hudson Beach instead of on the side canal where you have all the fishermen and all the E. coli et cetera, this would be great Gulf access directly in. Oh yeah he does it. You can wall it off just like them, keep going.

2:28:56Kind of nice and easy seawell and then you got the drop down. Go ahead. Uh they do a nice thing too, which I think we should take a look at. They get a big recycled container there too. I think we should take a look at having that something like that in all the parks as well to kinda Collect the recycles right here. You know, t hearing a study about the burners that we have coming in when burner fuel comes in, as much as we're going to be burning our trash as we tr try to time it, we're still going to be at capacity. So we need to get the recycles out of the line. Uh this park right in here is a little

2:29:26set up. It's not a splash pad, but just nice little park for the little area for the kids to play, keep going. Um this is where you can pull up in the parking lot. If you have a kayak launch and you want to take your kayaks out, you can slide around in there. If you got a little boat, you can put a little boat on there too. made it nice and easy. Uh I don't I think we just do probably kayaks at Hudson, but here's a nice little walkway. So if somebody's even in a wheelchair they want to get down to the water. They get a shot to get down there because only a couple of feet deep in that area and obviously you control it. Mm-hmm. Uh keep going.

2:29:58That's the last one? Okay. So just to say that as you seek forward, I'm gonna be t working with Keith and coming back with something again to g to take a look at what they did there and and make that project take a look uh Take a better look. Um

2:30:12Uh the Lynx Golf course, those you know, closed several years ago. Uh we cited them on before we had a new ordinance in place, we've cited them since uh the old ordinance. Uh they were going to contest it because we filed a determination from our zoning administrator saying that we found them in noncompliance with the development agreement. Which it said the there's like seven or eight parcels that have to be a golf course until it comes back for a public hearing. Um They've got ch pine trees l literally thirty feet away from residences.

2:30:43Yeah, property lines. Which to me is those trees get taller, um You saw the pictures today where the pine trees can get burned pretty easy. And those can get to homes and it can transfer over so Um I don't know if we should be waiting for these guys to keep stalling. Um to go forward because right now they're coming with M PUD which They are trying to put all the homes they can right into existing area that is already zoned for residential floor with smaller lots and then using the golf course that is out there that already has drainage in place to use that drainage and other

2:31:13drainage. uh when this golf coast was designed around homes where it actually takes a lot of drainage. So I'm gonna go. Work on staff a little bit more, but if you hear any more about it. Um last last thing before we talk about uh Leisure Beach. I think we all heard about this, but I think the need to do this right now is probably more important than ever. At least consider it. There's a property tax benefits for persons 65 or older that we could actually adopt. Um you've got to

2:31:43be low income, below a threshold. You've got a house that's gotta be uh under two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Well and it well, yeah, I know it's going to change a lot. But but but but think about the smaller homes that may be under that point and the income people were You know, if you get a retiree that's only been making ten grand a year, twenty, fifteen or fifteen grand a year, whatever, all of a sudden this year alone Our CPI's gone up eight and a half percent. That's a pay cut for every one of those seniors.

2:32:11I just don't think we have any houses under tw two hundred fifty.

2:32:15When all of the seniors purchased their homes thirty years ago, they were only t sixty thousand dollars or less. So and if they can only increase so much every year on their property taxes or the assessed value can only increase so much, then this will help them to keep their taxes low.

2:32:30Yeah. And if if you know all the other costs that the scenes are facing, because yeah, granted you look at the cost of a lot of different things. But if the CPI has gone up eight and a half percent, that that's been quite a kick for our seniors. If you want to try to help them stay in their homes, you can see that the right-of- We could give them a break going this way here. And as you say, Commissioner Starkey, most of the homes are over two fifty. But the ones that aren't that are that are lower income, they are the ones that probably need the most help as well. So I think we should maybe take a look at it, maybe have staff bring us back what a cost analysis would

2:33:00be before the next uh before the budget's actually gone through for the next step.

2:33:07I'm not sure.

2:33:09Mr. Steinsner may be able to answer this. If not, Ralph, you're probably a better fit uh besides most people. Um There's a number of of um exemptions already and there's some for seniors that I f I thought there was on the BAS recently. Was I am I incorrect?

2:33:33Th well there are multiple homestead type exemptions that have been passed over the last ten years, some of which require the board to adopt an ordinance to implement, some were self-executing. Um I believe the firefighter uh the one that w was passed this session was self-executing.

2:33:56Right. Right.

2:33:57My recollection is that that the one that was available for senior citizens this board never implemented. But That was be that was because generally the y you've got only so much general ad valorem tax taxes. Um but that would be a question for for OMB what the you know, what the impact would be if if you implemented one.

2:34:27And like I say, with the right-of-way,

2:34:29we keep track of them all. You know what I mean?

2:34:30Oh, you

2:34:30know,

2:34:31and believe me, it's a big thing. No, it's a it's a big one. And let's face it, we keep our tax, I think, better better down than most. No question of my mind. But I'm just looking at the situation right now. with the f the housing crisis out there. We just approved A a place for affordable housing coming up. Um I think it's worth taking a look and see what the numbers are. Because if it if it helps keep the seniors in their home that are just Had their effective Uh disposable income crushed another ten percent. Because

2:35:01of all the other increases that are out there they have to pay. it may be worth taking a look at. So I don't I if the board's okay, let's have staff bring something back to us to as we go through this budget process to find out what the impact would be if we did it.

2:35:14And frankly, you know we have the PVAS changes come. That may help them but may make us put it higher on other people.

2:35:21Well yeah.

2:35:22So that's the only thing is when we do that the costs get borne by everyone else. So That's what you have to be careful about.

2:35:31Yeah, Madam Clerk. For or against anything, but I think that's a good thing. Again, just m beware. Of You know, We're going yes, going through the budget process. Um Approaching I think there might have been something to look at. a little bit d in the past, but I understand things are changing on the day to day basis, like you mentioned before. But you know we have A lot of needs out there right now. We have you know, the firefighters that you know that are asking for more. We have

2:36:01you know, in the and we're talking about the growth and and then the sheriff's office needs additional thing. I have got OK's over here that obviously have certain needs a a as well and Since you did mention, you know, we keep ours lower than I mean most of the surrounding counties, obviously m a lot lower than uh Hillsborough and Penellison if you're within in some of those cities you're gonna be paying a lot more. And then you have to take you know, you have to also take a look at who uses resources, right? So who who's

2:36:31going to use fire rescue, let's just be honest. An ambulance is more than a little bit more than that. than others. You know, you're gonna have a certain population that's gonna be more apt to have to use those resources. So You know, I mean I'm listen, I'm I'm bringing up, you know, looking at new development to have to pay more for for fire rescue and the sheriff's office and Mr. Stein's gonna bring something back to see if that's we can even do it, if it's even legal at our at our budget

2:37:01meeting in the future. So trying to look at different avenues, I just don't want to um get to a point where if we have We lose a big source of revenues, those resources depleted, we're not offer able to offer at the service level to the extent those individuals actually need. You follow me? I just don't want that to happen. So Because if the name doesn't you know we're anything, you can't do it. Can't it can't can't get to the call. Those people are

2:37:32gonna be in worse shape.

2:37:34Uh yes. I was we have funds that help

2:37:39For

2:37:41We have funds that help with the PVAS program for citizens that can't afford it, but could we allocate any kind of C D B G funds or anything for our seniors or any additional funding specifically for seniors that are having a hardship so they don't become homeless due to the increase in taxes and their property value um their taxes and their homeowners insurance?

2:38:07Kathy Burrison, Assistant County Administrator, the Public Services. We do have a program for seniors, and if they do qualify, they just need to fill out an application through the community development program. So

2:38:17that's for taxes and homeowners insurance?

2:38:20Not homeowners insurance, just taxes. Okay, thank you. Okay.

2:38:24And we have the water, we can help with the water payment and others, yeah.

2:38:32Okay, last subject. Um Kelly's Kelly Funk is still here. Maybe we can have Kelly talk about the uh homeless situation, which he just sorred. And what she thinks.

2:38:47Now under two.

2:38:49Nine hundred and ninety eight. Yeah, I do have to see it all. Okay. It's

2:38:53nine hundred and ninety eight square feet. Not one piece of grass.

2:38:58Good afternoon. Kelly Funk with County Administrator.

2:39:04And will you want me to talk about what we saw up in the

2:39:08Yeah, just talk about I mean we had to cut you short a little bit for the presentation we had, so

2:39:12I mean what you

2:39:12what you're doing was great work, so when

2:39:14you have a good

2:39:14chance to talk.

2:39:15I appreciate that, Commissioner. Um we have been really uh blessed to have a great team together on the West Market Action Committee that's facing a lot of these uh complaints and issues that are coming from your staff primarily as soon as you get a call that comes in for a code enforcement or homeless camp. Um we've been working with trying to Get all the disconnects that are involved with that. Like I was mentioning earlier, there are several different departments that are involved in cleaning up just one dump site. And

2:39:45aside from the trash and junk, it's wrapping around services to the people who are living there as well, and then hopefully finding those Who wish to have home a home or m employment, getting them to where they need to be. The disconnect the disconnect really comes from those who don't want services and what we're finding is obstacles on how and challenges on how to deal with those. So I look to you for hopefully s some guidance. Um again we do have a great action committee that's putting together some formulating some

2:40:15thought. Um I'm very, very impressed with the way that everybody is really reacting to this situation. I know that when Trisha Shade went out and took a look at it was her first experience in dealing with a homeless camp. So um I think we may just take the entire group there to get a little bit more of an awakening. Commissioner Starkey and I have been working on this for numerous years in in the holiday area. Um, but again, my eyes were completely opened when we took our tour to a just a different type of homelessness

2:40:45that's happening. What we found is that the majority of everybody who's complaining has one common thing and air um one thing in common, which is it's generally an absent landlord who owns the property. And we are having issues with trying to trespass them. Um the agreements are expiring within one year. Um it's very difficult to keep track of that. It's time consuming and paperwork involved. And I know the sheriff's office is doing the best that they can. But

2:41:16for numerous years, again, as Commissioner Starkey brought up earlier today about the rental registry, that is sort of why we started that back in 2016. Uh was re uh remotely primarily because of residential um absentee landlords, but it's falling over into our commercial and now it's really becoming an int an extreme problem on US nineteen.

2:41:38And I'll say, uh Sally, your team's doing a phenomenal job out there working on these things. Um There's a building that was in the picture just south of Tower Drive. Uh that used to be old Aaron's furniture. It's still owned by Aaron. Uh the population of homeless is behind there. They're actually using their property edges to actually do different things out there as Harry was saying from the r the Raps Place. Um if you can maybe l talk to them, cite them or get get them to maybe protect their property, because it is the through

2:42:09way for which, you know, a lot of the uh backside of Leisure Beach travels.

2:42:13Commissioner, thank you. Based on your conversation this morning, I've already notified staff and they're looking into it.

2:42:20Yeah.

2:42:22Um What we did on that property behind the Walgreens or C V S uh and Trouble Creek. Um which is your district I guess. Um We um We sent a letter to the landowner. And um he didn't respond to clean it up. And so we physically went to his house in Palm Harbor. And we cited him for uh operating uh camping site without a permit. And it really got his

2:42:53attention and he he cleaned it up. He didn't finish cleaning it up and someone moved into the part that he didn't clean up. Um And he what what's frustrating is he had the no trespassing sign and the agreement. But it was our code enforcement who had to take the action.

2:43:09And

2:43:09maybe that's just what we have to do.

2:43:11I think so.

2:43:11And um And I think I mentioned that was an FGUA well site and they had to shut the well down for fecal content. And so people around there lost their w God knows what they were drinking for a while, so till they tested it.

2:43:25Yeah, my my district actually stops at Marine Parkway, so little a little north of that. But um I will say, you know, com uh attorney Jeff Steinsteiner did a great job, I think, showing us the different success things they've had. And that camping was one of 'em, so I think our code team is a lot to work with.

2:43:43Frankly we need to make sure those We we better simplify it. You know, w I don't think we need to renew a trespass agreement every year. Maybe we can set a meeting up and try to work. Work that situation out. If we can't write it ourselves, Um if we just have that in place, it's a tool we can use to cite all these different violations that our code team can go and we can put the resources to code to shift some of the responsibilities to go focus on this. I mean how do we know have any idea how much like You know, the the mental

2:44:13illness, the the drugs are costing us to to run these things?

2:44:17I'll tell you we've been asked that question numerous times and that's one of the things that we're gonna start looking into now um is trying to find some cost analysis of the repetitive Not only is it is it recidivism, is it this you know what what is uh what is the problem of the same people going back and forth and then the total cost, not only um in and out of the jail, in and out of the mental with the fire rescue on the sheriff's end. Uh and is it cheaper to house somebody? I I mean that's what we're trying to find out some

2:44:47numbers right now for you all.

2:44:49Right. Well I appreciate all the great work you're doing. I know this is not the only thing you're doing, but again the presentation was great. Um I thought we should bring it back up. So thanks for hanging out for the day for us.

2:44:58Thank

2:44:58you,

2:44:58I appreciate you all. Thank you. And Madam Chair, I know we had this this disc discussion last year when we were uh in Dade City on if we can extend the life of

2:45:11It's the sheriffs. It's the sheriffs, not us. So

2:45:14Alex. Alex Alt was here last time. I don't know if he's still here today, but we had had this conversation. So I would just like to have an update from him next time.

2:45:24Well, you know, Kelly's got this wonderful committee and I and Alex is on it and I hope that's a discussion For your committee to And all of us to have to see if we can move that to different solution.

2:45:37Absolutely. We'll bring it to their attention and see if we can get you some numbers for next quarter.

2:45:43All right. Jack, you done? Okay, county administrator. Oh. You. Me.

2:45:50Yeah. All right.