Self-storage facilities design standards ordinance

1:35:42Good afternoon. Alexandra Laporte with Planning and Development. I do want to enter into record um some of the documents that you have in your packet that we have slight changes on. You'll see those um struck through and underlined. I'll give it to the clerk and then if I may pass it around.

1:36:01Okay.

1:36:07There's two. There's the standards. Um section eleven oh five, self-storage facilities design standards, and then the mobility fee tables.

1:36:31Yeah.

1:36:45Great.

1:36:49Or else it'd be like twice the pages.

1:36:51Trying to keep something from us?

1:36:55Actually in in this case we're just trying to show the numbers that were before and um the proposed numbers um per the consultant um at the time of the mobility fee update.

1:37:12Before we just had the new numbers. So

1:37:21Well I think to follow up on the Planning Commission's point, Alexander, I think if this goes any more public hearing, you probably need to just do a PowerPoint slide that just shows the two fees that are changing.

1:37:34Yeah. We do at the end. Oh

1:37:35okay,

1:37:35all right, okay. We summarized it, but that's the whole table. Yeah. Sorry. And I wear glasses too. I should have

1:37:45Yeah but you know what it says.

1:37:48This is for the Self-Storage Facilities Design Standards Ordinance.

1:37:54The it's an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land Development Code, creating a new section eleven oh five self-storage design standards and amending section five twenty five C One neighborhood commercial district. Section 905.2, Landscaping and Buffering, Section 907.1, on-site parking, section 1302.2, mobility fees, to increase the

1:38:24mobility fees for mini warehouse, Appendix A definitions, and other amendments as necessary to ensure internal consistency, providing for applicability. appealer, severability, inclusion in the Pasco County Land Development Code, and an effective date.

1:38:43Our recommendation to you today is different than the one that was in the agenda. We um staff would like to recommend that we receive public comments. Um and your comments as well, and then continue the item to the next PC hearing date October 24th, 2019, at 1 30 PM in Newport Ritchie to allow for additional stakeholder input. That would just shift our proposed timeline for the first BCC hearing

1:39:14to be on November 5th, 2019. 130 in Dade City, and then the subsequent BCC second hearing and adoption hearing for November 19th, 2019, 130 PM in Newport, Ritchie.

1:39:35Um in s to summarize, this has started um back in September twenty-fifth, um, twenty eighteen, and in November um of that year when the Board of County Commissioners directed the Planning and Development Department to research and develop standards um for looking at um the self storage use in Pasco County. Subsequently on July 9, 2019, the BCC found a temp found that a temporary moratorium was consistent with the comprehensive

1:40:05plan and adopted the temporary moratorium for self-storage facilities along State Road 54 and 56. During the BCC hearing, there was a distinction made regarding the geographic applicability of the moratorium versus that of the standards, and it did recognize that while the moratorium was the only area the only area affected by the moratorium was this um state road fifty four fifty six corridor that the standards um to be looked

1:40:36at would be recommended uh countywide.

1:40:41Based on the June 19th, 2019 BCC hearing, freestanding recreational vehicle boat storage had been identified or has been now identified as both an accessory use and as a principal permitted use. Previously, if you recall, it's um it was under the umbrella of the mini warehouse.

1:41:10PDD researched local and national examples of cell storage standards, Dade City, St. Petersburg, Buford County, South Carolina, Portland, Oregon, and others in Florida as well for applicability in Pasco County in order to calibrate it and to be consistent with our comprehensive policies as outlined here. Yeah.

1:41:37We had two stakeholder meetings as well as reached out to the community at large with a visual preference survey. I will summarize the input from those meetings and the survey as well. The summary from the stakeholder meetings they wanted us to take into consideration. um to leave the special exception um designation or special exception use designation

1:42:07in C one um as is and to and the carryover into C2 as currently our code um holds many warehousing. So we have accepted that at first we were looking at other examples where um many um warehousing and self-storage facilities are conditioned across the board and based on that input we reconsidered and you'll see that in your standards. We also took into account the

1:42:38corridor delineation and their concerns for that, and we have addressed that and I'll talk to you further about that. We established a minimum of a 75-foot buffer on parcels along the scenic corridor that we've defined in order to best accommodate utility and right-of-way preservation needs. While still preserving the purpose of um keeping um the view shed intact. We also looked at um typical alternative

1:43:08standards requests that come in with this type of development, and we've embedded already those typical alternative standards into the new standards. So a reduction of parking and um uh reduction of buffer requirements or building parameter landscaping that is sensitive to the nature of this use has already been um considered in the standard so there's no longer a need for alternative standards for those things.

1:43:39We also took into account the input from stakeholders to keep the exemptions that were outlined in the moratorium and carry those over into the standards. So you'll see that piece as well. Um, there was uh uh input to consider alternative standards to these new standards. And to that, we've said that. We've understood our code to be a one size fits all and we would hope that this new

1:44:09standard starts to um address um the barriers that that pr um causes development. And so we have essentially four layers of standards if you're on the k um the three corridors that we are recommending. plus a general standard. So it should really minimize any alternative standards going forward. And then lastly, the multi-use requirement in order for it to be reconsidered.

1:44:40We looked at most recently Dade City has passed a self-storage ordinance where they were requiring any new development for self-storage. be multi-use except in the um condition of a adaptive reuse. And what we've done instead of we've encouraged it and provided a setback incentive along the transit corridor if you do do a multi-use.

1:45:12So our visual preference survey, here's a summary of it. Um it went out to community organizations, HOA, Chamber of Commerce, through our Pasco Media Department. And um it was a general, it was about 10 questions, general questions along the lines of um commercial development as a whole and then we also had questions regarding self-storage specifically. Um in

1:45:43this little summary slide you can see the types of um buildings in terms of their visual appeal. That uh was preferable by the community. We also took note that overall ninety-one percent Of the respondents wanted self-storage to be set back from the roadway to minimize that visual impact, to be well screened with landscaping, and or concealed

1:46:13by other uses in the front. And hopefully you'll see that play itself out throughout the standards that we're recommending.

1:46:25So if we dive into the proposed ordinance itself, there are five key elements to this new ordinance. First and foremost is a new format based on our research and best practice of jurisdictions that have undergone a rewrite effort of their code. The code is less Text and more graphic in nature has more depictions and so

1:46:56therefore providing more user-friendly a more user-friendly format. We're also providing for the applicability of, as I mentioned before, standards that accommodate the different context and the the uniqueness of Pasco County. So we have identified three major corridors, the scenic corridor, the redevelopment corridor, and the transit

1:47:26corridor. And then all those other developments outside of those would just fall within a general standard. Um and then lastly the freestanding again the freestanding recreational vehicle boat storage, we've um we've identified it as a principal permitted use and gave it its own definition as well as um when it is an accessory use to the self-storage facilities.

1:47:55So these are some um snippets of some formatting um of best practice in new codes that you'll see around the country. You'll see there's more graphic, it's more tabular. Um and it they're become more quickly um referenced uh when a user comes um to look at what's what's allowed and what's not allowed for a certain use. We've mimicked that for this um uh ordinance.

1:48:29In terms of the applicability for how to define the geographic applicability of the corridor standard, we looked at two things. We looked at the current C1 and C2 location of those parcels in Pasco County, and you'll see the red squares and shapes all pretty much fall with. Within the major corridors within the county, it's very few that fall outside of a major

1:48:59corridor.

1:49:01We also looked at the rural areas to help us better define where the parameter of a scenic corridor would be.

1:49:14And this is what we've come up with. The scenic corridor um is limited to this green line and the exact um boundaries are identified below the map. It is consistent with um the boundaries of the digital billboard ordinance that we currently have. Um in orange is the redevelopment corridors. Those are um

1:49:45primarily already identified in our comprehensive plan. And then lastly we have the transit corridor which is the fifty-four-fifty-six also identified in the comprehensive plan.

1:49:59Excuse me, just one second. So can I ask you a question on back on that that slide? Go back.

1:50:03Mm-hmm.

1:50:03Yeah, go back. So the uh forty-one north of fifty-two?

1:50:08Yes.

1:50:10Does that correlate to the ULI and the market studies and the areas that have been designated for these particular areas of the county? 'Cause it seems to me like that particular area that um Because it's forty one

1:50:31as the county matures, the area is just going to continue to migrate north. And uh it seems to me like 41 ought to be consistent.

1:50:42all the way north and south are saying. We can take that into consideration right now. Um the billboard digital billboard um ordinance um has that as a scenic uh corridor and then also it is um whoops

1:51:01It currently it runs right along the edge of our one of our rural area area two. Um so in it

1:51:09that's a transition area, right?

1:51:11That's the transition area. Yeah. Although right now it is still um very rural, but certainly can transition to something else in the future. And you know, uh our codes um Mrs. Hernandez always comes and we have amendments and as as we grow and develop we'll you know, this code will be no different than um in taking that growth into account.

1:51:36Can I ask a question? On that same topic as far as roads, is there a reason I seventy five and the Sun Coast aren't labeled as anything.

1:51:48Yes, thank you. Um state designated ha you know the Suncoast is um our scenic corridor. We don't have any C2, C1, and they're not frontages. So our standards right now just deal with the frontage um setback.

1:52:15We do not.

1:52:17Well, I guess the question would be what if somebody rezoned a C one or C two?

1:52:21And they wouldn't have a frontage on it? Um our L D C buffering then takes into account um that scenic corridor from that perspective, that buffer. I'm sorry.

1:52:35And the general but not the not the corridor standard. Yeah.

1:52:40Alexandra, just to clarify, and maybe this answers the question, but these specific standards for the different corridors only apply to properties that have direct frontage on those corridors. If there's a parcel between you and the right-of-way, because there

1:52:55are limited access roadways then is that why? Yeah, because you can't drive.

1:53:00Yeah, you don't I mean your the front of your building isn't to that corridor.

1:53:06Okay.

1:53:07You don't drive off, you know, the drive alls or

1:53:12Okay. Yes. Limited.

1:53:14Okay.

1:53:20Um for the scenic corridor uh Let's see here.

1:53:27What we're trying to preserve um is that view shed as identified in the comprehensive plan and we've identified a 75 foot setback as um from the right-of-way uh line from the corridor um as uh a setback that would achieve that purpose. Um you'll see the the modifications and and changes since your packet was um produced that

1:53:58the lot size we have it to just the three minimum acres and not have a maximum.

1:54:07You'll see that um there was a clarification done on the building uh on the buffer component and it's really the building parameter landscaping. Um uh the height was increased to two story maximum and then um multi-use would obviously be um permitted but should not exceed the two story.

1:54:35In the redevelopment corridor, the purpose here is we're really trying to activate the adaptive reuse as much as possible. And if you come in with a self-storage facility into an existing vacant building, lot size did not apply to you. And you would just meet any landscape requirement requirement that is already

1:55:06provided for in our code and by the zoning district.

1:55:12Can I ask a question there? What what does what do you The terminology here, reorganized parking. What does that mean?

1:55:20Sure. So um in an adaptive reuse condition, if you were imagined that this is a big box that self-storage has come in, there's a lot of surface parking in the front. And we'd like to encourage them to reorganize it to allow for their accessory use to be done and then still um allow for an outparcel or liner building to come in in front and not just leave it as a surface parking. parking lot. So we'd like to see that happen. We're not requiring it. It's just something that

1:55:51you're planting the seed to have them realize that you can take a lot more use out of the surface parking lot that exists because parking overall for self-storage is minimal. So and we've adjusted for that.

1:56:08And and also on that that standard, um Yeah, horizontal multi use. And I go back further in the document, um So either we e. Where it says multi use. So is that the reference to that? Yes. So it so one or more compatible professional, commercial or retail uses must be proposed to occupy no less than fifteen percent of the ground floor of the principal building and

1:56:38have main entrances on the principal street as evidenced by the construction planner building permit. So w what are we saying there? That they have to have something other than just storage?

1:56:48If they choose to That's that would be the standard that you would have a compatible use and it would take up at least 15% of your ground floor. If you're on the transit corridor and you do 50% of your ground floor as a another use, then you can reduce that 250-foot setback and bring yourself right up to the corridor. Because then you're active you're activating the pedestrian space and you're providing for the um employment generating uses that

1:57:18we want to see along the corridor.

1:57:25So

1:57:29professional commercial or retail uses. So just anything that fits into that those categories.

1:57:36I I mean could that be a Starbucks?

1:57:38It could be, yes.

1:57:42Could be a a UPS store, um it could be uh another office

1:57:50not associated with, you know, the the little office with the self storage.

1:57:56But so the only way that they get to do that or the the incentive to to do that, to incorporate that, is it allows them to build closer. Okay.

1:58:06Yeah. Because in the urban service area which the redevelopment corridors and the transit corridors um live in, you don't have a height restriction.

1:58:15Right, okay.

1:58:19So for the transit corridors, we've touched upon a little bit already on some of the standards. The uh lot size we have, um, we made a clarification that it is five acres max for the self-storage use itself. So in this case, this parcel um where the pink um building is. can't be larger than five acres. These two examples specifically

1:58:50are from Pasco County, the ones that Commissioner Moore had pointed us to, and they provide the situation where you have liner conditions, not just not exactly like this, but the building is set back actually further from the road, the self-storage is about 400 feet from the corridor and it allows all the other uses to go around it. There's a hotel, there's a Wawa, there's a bank, and that

1:59:20activates the corridor in a in in a fashion that's m more compatible with employment generating, high employment generating uses than the self-storage.

1:59:31So when you say a liner building, you're you're referring to those examples that you gave. Hotel, Wawa.

1:59:41Hotel specifically, it could be any i it could be other uses. Uh right now in Pasco County, Owawa is an example of that liner.

1:59:54You could have um retail in the front. Mm-hmm.

1:59:58I mean I certainly agree those are jobs, but I I wouldn't necessarily say they're good jobs.

2:00:03Correct. They're more than just the one one job, but they could be offices, medical office. There's no reason why a building like that can't hold the those types of uses.

2:00:15Stop burger oxes. Those are good ones.

2:00:21Oh sorry. We have then the general design standards that basically speak to the building themselves, taking from our 1102 section, specifically just the architectural piece, and those um the that section is is noted in the standards. These buildings are rather large, so on average um we've seen in Pasco County over ninety thousand square feet and so our eleven

2:00:51oh two section speaks to buildings that are twenty five thousand square feet and and greater and we wanted to make sure that um we captured um th this type of use with that kind of review. New as we've spoken about the multi-use standards and the incentive of the setback reduction. New to the ordinance is the reduction of the parking requirement. It used to be one for every 300 square

2:01:22foot of office plus one for every thousand square foot of the actual use. So you can imagine. that everyone came in for alternative standards and based on the input from the stakeholders that a five space requirement was sufficient. We've also um defined the accessory uses better and when along certain corridors that they have to be behind primary um structures. So

2:01:52you don't see the propane and the the truck rentals right up in front of your corridor. They're tucked behind that main building. And then again, we've also introduced the freestanding recreational boat storage as a principal permitted use. And here's um more in depth on that piece itself. The definition that we're proposing is um Open covered semi enclosed or fully enclosed storage of recreational

2:02:22vehicles, travel trailers, other vehicles, and unstacked dry storage of pleasure boats of the type customarily maintained by persons for their personal use. Based on the industry, the national industry, there are four types of recreational vehicle boat storage, open, covered, semi-enclosed, and fully enclosed. So we've captured that in our new standards. We've kept the visual screening requirement as previously

2:02:53under the mini warehouse across the county. And then if those parcels are along those identified corridors, they would fall into also meeting the setback requirement. There is it maintains the special exception use in C one. It adds this as a principal permitted use in C2. And then the one other new part is that In the transit corridor,

2:03:23we're recommending that we prohibit just the open yard storage and kind of just the shed covered boat and RV storage. If it's semi-enclosed or fully enclosed, that's fine because it's seen more as a building and it can be set back from the transit corridor, much like the mini warehouse. self-storage facility, but if it's just an open yard that we would recommend it be prohibited from the transit corridor.

2:03:56The mobility fees, um I'll defer a little bit to Mr. Goldstein, but um the Board of County Commissioners when they were reviewing the update had um placed a a hold on specifically the mini warehouse one. The the fees have been tabulated by the consultant Um Bill Oliver and this is what we're showing here. So we've not done any of the calculations that

2:04:26was done during the time of the update and it just was placed on hold until standards and review by the PDD staff came together with that for them to be able to vote one way or another of increasing the fee or not. What we have done as a placeholder is added the freestanding recreational vehicle boat storage. Right now we're using just as a placeholder what the current mini warehouse

2:04:57fee is. There is a manual that staff then takes and runs calculation. Um and Deductsit and and Mr. Durardi you're probably better equipped to even speak to that than I am. Um Deducts it for, you know, it's not a building, it's just a a storage of certain vehicles and they tabulate what the mobility fee is. But there is a study going on right now that should be completed I'd say in

2:05:27two weeks or so. which then we can plug in the cur those numbers um from that study. But right now it's a placeholder and we wanted to let you know that that would be added to the mobility fee table. And with that

2:05:43But on that, I mean these fees are what you're showing are the same. For the freestanding they are.

2:05:49For the freestanding.

2:05:50So go back to the other

2:05:54So for the other you'll see that there's a zero incentive in all of the standard uh mobility fee schedules and then there's a percentage reduced based on the incentive zone that you're in. Um so if you're in the mudaram or TND or T O D, the incentive is reduced by a certain percentage. It was thirty-three and and this proposed is seventeen percent if you're in an urban mudarum. But

2:06:25all across the board, um if you're just in the standard urban, suburban or rural, um your incentive goes down to zero.

2:06:34So The the the fees that you should probably focus the most on on these are the urban standard, suburban standard and rural standard because we don't get a lot of self-storage facilities in Mutter M T and D or T O D areas. So they're just not you just don't see them. Um

2:06:51so there's zero incentive.

2:06:53Yeah. Effectively what this is doing is is saying that for a standard Mini storage facility in the urban, suburban rural area, it's removing any incentive that's in the that was in the old mobility fee.

2:07:08Got

2:07:08it. And to be clear, the Planning Commission actually took action on these fee increases when the mobility fee update came through and approved them. the Planning Commission rejected the fee increase on multifamily. I don't know if how many of you were a member of this, but you approved the one for Mini Storage, did not approve the one for for multifamily. That when it went to the board, the board was uncomfortable imposing the fee increase on

2:07:38mini storage unless it was went along with the design standard changes. They didn't want they wanted a complete package to consider or not they didn't want to look at a fee increase in isolation without considering what the effect would be when you bring the design standards in too. So that's why it was d that fee increase was delayed. Okay.

2:08:03Any Other questions? I don't know if there's anyone here to

2:08:07So I have a I do have a question. Yeah. Um in the ordinance on the table page four.

2:08:15So

2:08:17It pink.

2:08:17If I understand this correctly, I'm not saying I do. But where you have added the self stored facilities and the freestanding where You have the A and B is that referring to to these? Is that what that's referring to or

2:08:37I'm sorry, Save where are you again to do? Those are

2:08:39landscape offer types of Magnum.

2:08:41Those are types of landscape.

2:08:43Type A, type B, type C, type

2:08:45B. Alright, so it has nothing to do with this basically.

2:08:49Well she they they've revised these by adding the new categories on the bottom. Oh

2:08:54you're in the whereas clauses?

2:08:57I'm

2:08:57in the order.

2:08:59Okay. I was looking at the news section itself.

2:09:02Okay.

2:09:04So then let

2:09:05me ask you this then In his ordinance, why did you eliminate right-of-way?

2:09:11We didn't eliminate it. What we did is correct um what was incorrectly um done in the in the table. We found that error and um and so we went ahead and and also made that correction. And Michael, you can speak to that a little bit more because you worked on it with current planning.

2:09:32Yes. We determined that there were some issues with the buffering table. Um the way that the table was structured prior, um what the table was saying was that if, for example, a controlled access roadway were to come in, if F dot built a new expressway through the area, then F dot would be responsible for buffering all its neighbors with a heavy type F buffer, that was incorrect. We just clarified the table.

2:09:59Okay.

2:10:02So if any one of those other uses comes up against a right-of-way, then um column 14 applies and that's type F. So they it was just clarified and corrected.

2:10:21So can I ask you one question about the mobility fee thing? I get why you're separating out the can you go to the next slide?

2:10:33I get while you're separating out the freestanding boat storage, my question is Since that's usually there is no square foot. I mean I mean should we be using a measurement other than square feet?

2:10:46And yes, and that would hopefully come from the study that's being done. So that's one of those things that is um when someone comes um and they get their mobility fee assessed that there's you know um a hardship and a barrier because the unit of measurement isn't

2:11:05I'm just saying if that's a problem now, the unit of measurement, we probably shouldn't perpetuate continue to

2:11:11and I'm w yeah, and whatever the study ends up suggesting that unit of measurement B is what we would

2:11:18David, I I think the hope here Alexander correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the hope here is when this comes back to us in two weeks that those are real numbers with real Units assigned to them.

2:11:30Okay, so we don't

2:11:31to basic so it should be based on either spaces or acres or something else other than square feet, because you're correct. There is no building, so how do you why do you have a building square foot in the right-of-way?

2:11:40Right. So it's I mean it

2:11:40is

2:11:41very different than a mini storage which actually has square feet. So so presumably we're going to change that once the study comes back. Yes. To whatever measurement was used in the study.

2:11:52Correct.

2:11:53We don't know that he even told us the measurement he's using.

2:11:57I I I don't know what he's using for. I don't ha yes. Okay. When I asked about the study it was just like it's still two weeks out well, it was three weeks when I asked, so now it's about two weeks. Well,

2:12:06I get why he wouldn't know the trips generation yet. It's a little weird to me that you don't even know what unit of measurement he has. I haven't asked the question.

2:12:13I didn't ask specifically.

2:12:17So one other thing, has this gone through the normal process that you would use for the stakeholders and all the opportunities for people to give input like you normally would an ordinance and all

2:12:31so the stakeholder um group that we're um will be meeting next week that we haven't due to scheduling conflict is the horizontal t round table. But otherwise Likewise, we

2:12:42sent

2:12:43invitations and received feedback from the engineers who specifically do the self-storage in Pasco County and land use attorneys that specifically deal with these developments in two separate stakeholder meetings. We also did that survey that we got 103 respondents in terms of the visual broad citizens engagement piece.

2:13:05But you're recommending continuous because you have a net with a horizontal route.

2:13:10Correct. And we wanted to yes. Okay and and get further.

2:13:14Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have it because that's one of the reasons they're returning. But

2:13:18they but they're going to.

2:13:18Yes. Yes. Okay.

2:13:20So this is going to hose on a round table next week?

2:13:23On Wednesday, yes. We are on the agenda.

2:13:27And then so one other thing, so the the the facilities that are out there now. So we just taking the Reposition that They're built and that there's nothing we can do or Is there some thought about enhanced landscaping for those facilities that we could impose and give them so many years or whatever to come into compliance?

2:13:51I our code right now speaks to if they were to add, if they did an addition, expansion, there's a a table that does a calculation based on how much um that renovation expansion is, then it triggers them to come into compliance with um new code um provisions. So I think that's how it would be addressed. Yeah.

2:14:16Address the the existing if we wanted to quote. Correct.

2:14:19Yes and no. I mean the you have to understand this is the land development code. So typically that only applies if somebody's initiating new development. They're building a new building, they're expanding an existing building. So this code regulates new development.

2:14:40existing development and they're not changing anything. Our land development code really doesn't apply. I mean it it's it

2:14:48So then I guess somebody has a a question in that way, is there something that could be

2:14:52done? I mean the only thing that's close is like sometimes with signs you can do what's called a like an amortization where somebody's a non conforming sign that after a period of years they have to make it conform. But uh we've never done that with the possible exception of signs, I don't know that we've done that in any other arena because it

2:15:14There's a it's a there's a first of all there's an enforcement issue because we have no

2:15:20with me citing people existing businesses because they didn't do it. Um And there's a cost issue. Now we do have

2:15:30a program where people where bus some businesses can apply to get landscaping funds to to upgrade their site, is that right? Yes. Um that's been our tool to deal with the existing sites where we have a fund, the treaty landscape fund, where they can apply to use part of that money to upgrade the landscaping on their site. But I don't think it's a good idea to start applying thinking of this in the non new

2:16:01development arena. Right. Okay. It's not really a a land development regulation. If it's applied to something that's already there.

2:16:10Yeah, and to clarify th this code is looking at things moving forward. Um but there is a provision within the this is Nicari's. Pito's planning development. There's a provision in the proposed code that does handle the expansion or addition on existing uh facilities, but it's not going to mandate any changes to existing facilities.

2:16:33But to we do find that many uses over time tend to expand or they go out of business and then they demolish. If they demolish and build a new use then they are subject to these regulations. So there's very few uses that are just permanently there and never change.

2:16:50Yeah, I you know, I think what led me to ask that question is you know, obviously the BCC felt strongly enough about this to put a moratorium on doing anything so that we could continue so that going forward they're more aesthetically pleasing and and and which I agree with. But um you know, there was a lot of buildings that are going on now and older ones that Um obviously got their attention. So You know,

2:17:22we have the same problem with signs. We have non conforming signs all over the county. Sure. And unless that they're making some material change to the sign, we don't make them take them down. But when they do, a new business moves in or whatever, we then say, Hey, you have to conform with our code now. So over time we get the compliance. that we want, but it's gonna take time. I mean it is somewhat onerous on a bi an existing business to say What you did has to all go away.

2:17:52Yeah. We approved it that way, but now it has to all go away. I mean that that's

2:17:58Got some problems with it.

2:18:03Thank you.

2:18:04Okay, Harry?

2:18:05Yeah. I guess again just to ask the qua is all of this stuff going to and you invited stakeholders to stakeholder meetings, attorney language attorneys, is this going to them before the round table meeting or are they gonna just see this at the round table meeting?

2:18:19Well they they've seen it. Now once it gets posted. They saw the the minor edits, I can pass that out.

2:18:28I mean is it possible to email to those people what the change 'cause I mean the A the chances people see that people that go to the developer round table meeting or even reviewing this agenda is probably

2:18:40we can circle back

2:18:41Yeah, 'cause there's I mean, you guys know from the amount of time we sat together yesterday there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff here.

2:18:46When when we when we meet with the various stakeholders and circle back, we will have the most updated information for them to look at it.

2:18:54Okay.

2:18:55And then and then that information, once we get that input, come back again on the twenty fourth and show it to the Planning Commission.

2:19:03Okay. So Mr. Chair, even though this was you just off recommended continuance, it didn't it wasn't noticed as a continuance, so you do need to call the comment.

2:19:12So is there anyone here that would like to make comment on this new ordinance, proposed ordinance?

2:19:22This thing might be interesting.

2:19:25Or they didn't want to sit through the glamouring

2:19:27discussion.

2:19:31Yeah, I

2:19:32think that's a good question. So you need a motion to continue? Yeah. So I'll move to continue two weeks in New Port Richey?

2:19:40Yes, October twenty fourth. All second.

2:19:43Okay, we have a motion to continue through October 24th and a second. There's no further discussion. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries? Can I vote aye?

2:19:57Thank you.