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So we got a great team. So it continues to get better. So Uh with that we'll go to um Our ordinary business. Old business. Uh District Two. Mr. Weightman.
Thank you Chairman this today I'm gonna use the balance of my type for uh having journey goal speed in any local updates. You might add force, so
I don't know if you drove your pocket later this afternoon, so that's what I'll use my time for.
I'm happy to give an update to make a reasonable. Everybody go through normal
miscellaneous business and then I could do that. We can do it in county county attorney old business. Yeah, or we can do it in a county attorney old business.
Okay, we'll do that. Okay. All right, thank you. All right. Uh Ms. Starkey.
Um so I I emailed some some photographs to Katie, not realizing I could just email them over there to Derek. So I don't know if he's received anything. She may not know you're sitting there. Okay, so there's different ones. So um you know I like to drive through my districts and um
I've seen this picture.
This is brand new. I took this yesterday because this was this is my order on Patreon.
Huh?
Well they're it's not out in the street with the red cones around it protecting his valuable merchandise. Um but I I I I have a uh a friend who lives on the street. He's bought the house across the street, he's been working on it, cleaning it up. And um I'm just not okay that we're okay to leave this for about seven months until the court systems work their way through this. And uh he also um well I I'm not gonna tell you where exactly he lives on the street, but I I understand
there's quite a bit of drug dealing going on out of this as well. So I know we cleaned it up last time. Not too long ago. Six months ago? And this is back where we are today. Uh but I just That's what that's. I just think we have to suck it up and clean it again and or or do something, not let this sit for seven months while it works through the quartz. Um this trailer Uh The bank is foreclosing on it. Um our attorney's
office says it'll take about five months and then they'll have sixty days to demolish it. So we're talking this neighborhood has to live with this for seven more months. I I just wanna know is there anything we can do?
Mr. Chairman Mariano.
Yes, sir.
If they're dealing drugs out of it, that's a criminal offense. Yeah. So maybe uh Sheriff Knockout can get involved and uh he's able to prove a case, uh seize that property a lot quicker than the court system. I don't know what the attorneys would say about it, but it's it's worth a shot.
Well I'm not sure that the the Sheriff's Office would be able to seize the property quicker, but there might but They certainly can get action through the criminal court system faster than than the foreclosure system. Um you know, the last time m my recollection is we removed the stuff that was in the public right of way. that's really all you can do without a court order that says You
c you can clean up the the This is not a
health coat ha uh health violation? I mean You
still have to get you're still going to have to get an order from the court to go on to private property and clean it up. I mean that's the that's what we've done in the past. When we've gone when we've gone on to property to clean it up, we have Um we've gotten a court order to do that and that's you know. We can do that, it but it you know we can we can go we can process an injunction, um but it's you know that it's
not a overnight process.
Well it's is it seven months? 'Cause otherwise that's what we're waiting for. That's Christmas of next year.
All right. Yeah.
We can we can see what we can do. Is
code working on this now?
No. Because it's in the quartz. So
Mm. I would assume that was as a result of code being involved that it was in the courts. I mean if the board wants us to clean the right of way I'm sure that's within my spending authority if you direct me to do that.
Within the right of way, that's fine. If you want
to
direct that we'll do it.
Okay, so what happened last time when we went to clean up and for those who don't remember, they were all the way out to the middle of the street. um is the family came and they started throwing everything that was in this guy's yard into the street. Um and with our encouragement, I mean, to clean up as much as as we could. That now it's a sad story. This gentleman was married. Okay. He he a couple years ago he lost a two year old child. I don't know to what. Um but uh his life deteriorated
after that. So um there's some obviously some mental issues going on here and um so it It is a sad story, but this is just not o it's just not okay for the neighborhood. None of us would live next to this and just because this is a financially challenged neighborhood, the people in that community shouldn't have to be looking at this every day. Okay. Yeah. Um do you know do we know how much it cost us to clean it up last night?
I wouldn't know offhand. I mean I'm sure it was less than ten thousand dollars, but
Uh huh. I I I would board members, I I would like to try and get this cleaned up again if you're okay with spending. I mean we we lean the property, right?
We'll track those costs. I mean if it's the right of way is the right-of-way.
Well the the property's not worth ten well I want to get We can start on the on the right away, but I think the family will Discharge into the right way as fast as we can load it. Because that's what they did last time. Um
helps them cleaned up.
Now I'm gonna tell you that lot's probably not worth ten thousand dollars. That there's lots in here that I when when Marcy came on board that I had hoped we could give to Habitat for Humanity so so that this neighborhood star started turning around. As a matter of fact, right down the Yeah. Uh we did a ha you were there. This is right near the house that we did for Habitat for Humanity. I I I remember seeing that house. Yeah. So um And frankly this isn't the only house that's like this in the commun a few streets
over there was another guy who had dozens and dozens of bikes in his front yard and he was repairing them. Um which it it's not as bad as this, but it's pretty bad. We we need a sweep in this community, but I'd just like us to see if we could pursue uh a court action to clean it up, maybe?
What's this uh so I will we'll we we can initi if the board's fine we'll we'll initiate a cleanup of the of the right-of-way as far as the court issue I defer to Jeff uh on that. But
so we have to have a motion for that? No. No motion. Okay. We're fine. Well let's go that route and it that'll take some a little time, but at the same time it's in the court, so we'll be moving on forward with that.
So Katie is texting me that the court date is in March. So um and then okay, I thought it was in s well I don't know what that means.
That's close.
And and yes, I I would imagine we get it cleaned up, you know, he may start doing it again. But is there any kind of like Baker Act or is there anything else is there anything we can do to help this guy so he doesn't keep doing this?
It's kinda
wonderful.
And we
could
have we could
have public
services or human services reach out.
We we I think we did that.
I mean it's probably the worst one I've ever seen. I don't even know how he's getting in his house. Uh can you switch to any of the other pictures?
Mr Chairman, just make a comment? Yes sir. Yeah, Commissioner Starkey if you clean this up and the thing's so close to March, you may take away all the violations and then Just starting over again. You may want to wa wait till March to see what happens with the quartet.
Um Yeah's pretty
close.
The resident's going to court in March. I guess he has a court hearing.
All right. Well I'll I'll work with the attorney's office just I just don't want this to sit till December.
I do have some information. It cost us eight thousand dollars uh to to clean it up. Uh it does have a lien apparently. There is a court date next month and uh I am told that um there's really no no cause from our conversations with the sheriff on taking the guy on the Baker Act.
There's there's
no there's no legitimate reason, I guess, or legal reason to Baker Acton. Okay.
What other act is there?
Uh
ciao. Is it is it it's not against the law to do this?
It's a violation of your ordinance for junk and debris, but
The he is going the the those citations are going to court on 314. So that's it's our proceeding that will be there on 314. Um Um
The email I got from Sam is we previously cleaned up the entire property pursuant to a court order. Within weeks it was full of junk again. So there may be there may be a um Let me talk to my team. uh there may be a uh contempt um proceeding that we can bring.
Yeah, because maybe he was told he couldn't do this again. Right. Yeah. Okay. What else do I have on there? Oh. Do I have any um okay, so uh I was I cut my ski trip short to go to Washington in um be there for the Audrey Nelson Community Development Award. And um we had the opportunity, Tom Madonna and I, to speak to the group with um staff uh about
our uh program And um unfortunately they had the assistant secretary for HUD speaking and She went a little long and I think we all went a little long before. So Tom and I didn't actually get to go up on stage and received the award that we went there for. But um they had made a duplicate and we went outside and took a picture while the Hud Secretary was speaking. So um Very proud of all our staff and um in uh the county for being so positive about
uh AM skills. We also um went up to the Hill and we met with the U.S. uh Department of Labor Office of Apprenticeships and they let us know about some grants that are coming up and they were they said our program here hits all three marks that they're trying to to do uh in the country and they're gonna come down and take a look at it but they look they were very excited to hear about this program. They did not know about it. I had been to that office in the previous administration but not this
one. They're very excited about our our program and they put one of their top guys on on a Zoom call to join in with us. And also uh went to the office of uh the committee for um workforce and education. um and met with the professional staff of Congresswoman Virginia Fox, who uh he and another gentleman on the Democratic side are writing the reauthorization of the Workforce Innovation
Act and Opportunity Act and um good stuff coming out of that if it gets out of Congress. It's passed its committee and it's in the House. So Jack will talk about this more when we're in the But there's good m you know how we've been given money to Career Source for for training because the federal money is so hard for companies to use. And we've been talking about this nationally in my committee it's uh at NACO and and had a lot of labor and folks on on conference
calls um saying how difficult it was and they're they're hearing us and I I'm hoping that there'll be some good changes um in the way that um communities and businesses can use that money for workforce training. Um something I wanted to bring up when Um Well this is a this is a question I had for Terry and Ben. I uh or Brad, I I sent this out to you because while I was looking at that property that those ladies were speaking about, I saw this. And um I've not been in here and uh Commissioner
Oakley, I don't know if you've been in this neighborhood. Is this in Pasco or is this in Saint Leo?
Um
It's been there a while. What
property is it?
It's that new part of Lake Divida.
Oh, it's the on the east side, it's been here a while. Yeah.
Can you zoom in on that closer, Derek?
It does appear to be in Pasco County.
Okay. I want I want you to look at the trees. You know, obviously they took out a bunch of trees, but I'm just wondering where where are the replacements? Where's the landscaping that was supposed to go back into this neighborhood? Because I'm sure they had a I'm sure they were required to put Trees in somewhere.
How recent that picture?
Well people are living there and they you can see the car is in the driveway, so I'm gonna drive through there uh after this meeting but this is this is my
it's just it's your first uh entrance on the right as you go out fifty two.
Yeah.
And uh it was a part of Lake Drevita.
I've asked for um what the requirements were in this neighborhood if someone could email that to me. Sure. Um, that that's all Terry. I just wanted to I I wanna find out What happened?
It's part of Lake Diveto.
I and I I just can't imagine that that is built legally. I hope it's not. I I I mean I hope that we require more than that in our landscape code. Um I wanted to talk to y'all about um red light cameras and school zones. Um maybe some of you have also talked to people about this. Um Hillsboro County just passed an ordinance um that will suspend uh wait, well wait I wanna talk about that ordinance yet. Last
year the legislat I think it was last year approved the ability to put red light cameras in school zones. And I don't want them all around that county like they have in Newport, Richie, and other places. But I I am Um considering and would like to t us to have discussion if we think red light cameras are appropriate in a school zone. People frequently zoom in those those areas and it's very I mean go fast.
So so they would be they wouldn't be red light cameras, they would be speed zone cameras, right? Because they're red light cameras are are traffic Infract traffic light infractions, which what you're talking about is speed.
I think it's the same kind of technology that they have, um that some cities have that we didn't want in the county. But they would put these in the school zone. So if if you've not heard much about this, um we'll have maybe my office can send some something out, but I think protecting kids in school zones is a good thing, personally.
Yeah.
We
all agree on that.
Is
that it?
Uh well Jack wanted to comment on the extra.
I was gonna say I and I met the folks as well and uh a lot of them are extra law enforcement. I did want to have them talk to the school board to really study the issue to see what their thoughts were as well to see if it's a real big issue that we need to go forward on because I tell you these red light cameras from Port Ritchie and New Port Richey they were supposed to get rid of them a few years ago. And now they're making too much money, they're not gonna make that move. So I I I hate to put that extra Big brother out there as well. But I do I do believe in the safety as well. Yeah, I've got to do that. I'll let them see what they we're gonna come back with the school board and come back to us. Yeah. Mr.
Chairman Mariano What's the breakup of the money? Who gets what? Does the county get a fees or we do. Does the we get it all?
Uh they get a portion, we get a portion. I I don't have any of that information. I
don't I don't know the answer.
I i in in detail. I just know that it works to slow people down in school zones. So
if I could I get a little information. I I think it's almost like a fifty-fifty share. It's like if it's an eighty four dollar ticket, half would go to
the
company, the other half would go to the school board. And again, the the thing that scares me about it is you make that too attractive to make that revenue, whether you need it or not, whether it's effective or not. It's hard to pull away a tax that people are getting for it. So I'm I'm a little hesitant to it but I want the school to look at it first. Yeah. Right.
And I'd be happy if we never got a penny from it, if it just worked to keep people from from speeding in.
Right. I don't think we all want uh school zone safe. Yeah.
Um the the next thing is uh uh I've become aware of uh an ordinance that the Hillsborough County Commissioners uh voted on on January 17th and that's uh re suspending uh uh vape shops from opening up near schools. I just recently penned an op-ed on uh vaping and um the influx of illegal Vapes from China that actually have fentanyl in 'em. So uh I haven't seen
it printed yet in the paper but I I hope that it gets out there. But this ordinance um I think that we should look at um this zone of no no vaping around schools. 'Cause you know, they're making 'em look attractive to to kids even. I mean, it's crazy, but And sad that we need more regulation but I think that we need to regulate uh the vape shops around schools. So uh maybe we could uh have staff look at the Hillsborough
County ordinance and I think they just are passing all over the state and take take a look at it. Did I have anything else up there? Come back. I I I wanted to talk about we have a lot of time today. Some of the the things that those ladies brought up. What what is this? What are these green? Does anyone know? It's it's limits to to pop to topographical alterations. And on the green part of it it says
mining. So are all these areas being mined or subject to mining? And I and I guess that bring I guess I want to say I am not happy with Dade City doing that. You know, when they annex the property and they cut the hill down. What a and those poles are sticking up like that?
Well that's th those maps are everas where we prohibit mining. Did they're they're showing areas where we have greater than six percent slope.
Okay, so they can't ta they can't mine on those green areas.
They can't mine in if there's a greater than six percent. No, they can do mass grading. I want to be clear and this is what I was trying to explain to Nancy. They can still do some grading of the site, but they can't mine the hill away, basically. So the picture that Nancy was showing you earlier with what Dade City allowed I don't think would be allowed under our code.
Well, how do we Talk to Dade City. About Stoppin'. The destruction of the the hills. Uh 'cause I saw this happen in Claremont. It was very disturbing, which is why I kinda advocated for this in the Northeast Pasco Rule Protection Order.
So occasionally you do have meetings with the cities, you know, the
When are we doing that again?
I don't know, I'm just saying that would be a good topic for discussion when we're meeting with the east side cities is
I don't even know if I want to wait for that. I wanna send them
a
letter. David is the um is a rule northeast rule overlay Does it affect cities and their government so I am
it once something gets annexed into the city or if it's already in the city, they're subject to their own land development regulations. So this the regulation that this implements this would not be applicable in the cities.
Yeah. And so when
unless they unless they choose to make it applicable, I mean they would have to adopt similar regulations in the city.
I had a gentleman uh about mining I had a gentleman sent me in a text one time. probably two or three months ago and he says, Oh, there's all these um dump trucks and all on Happy Hill Road, I think that's a historic road and and it should not be Uh subject to all these dump trucks. Well, the mining's been there for several years on Happy Hill Road, and so those Trucks have been there
all
this time.
So Dade City, for whatever reason, does not regulate mining the same way the county regulates mining. So
that's a permit through your city to the
mining. So that project that project has a long history. Yeah. Um where the city city D City annexed it and then allowed that hill to be mined. The limits of our regulation was the impact. to the road because Happy Hill is a county road and we did make that entity mitigate for their impact to Happy Hill Road and the intersection of Happy Hill Road and 52. But the actual allowance of the mining was allowed by Dade City. Now in theory it was to support
a residential development, but for many, many years it was just a big min dirt mine. Right. So but I my discussion with the city at the time, they they don't have any mining regulations like the county does.
Why don't they copy ours?
Oh no, I that was my suggestion back in whenever that was approved. Well it
w
Yeah,
it it was prior to my arrival, so it's been seventeen years now.
My suggestion was that they do need to develop mining regulations, but they
We passed the east past World Protection Ordinance when I was chair. And I I was chair in twenty four.
But your mining regulations
are even older than that. No. When when this was annexed into the city that was Uh 'cause it was a long time ago. We were dealing with the transportation impacts When I arrived in O eight.
We actually challen I mean you wouldn't this is really old, I'm really really dating myself now. But we actually challenged the annexation in court, but we lost. Because it's very difficult to challenge the annexation as long as it's contiguous to the city, it's very difficult to to win in court on an annexation challenge.
Well does anyone else feel as I do that
We I mean our I think our rules say you c what what does it say that you can't change the height Of a mountain
Well it doesn't say that it says you can't mine the mountain. It limits the amount of grading that you can do on those hills. The intent is that you can still put development on these hills and you can still do mass grading and you may need to remove, say you're building a retention pond, you may need you may need to remove some of that dirt for your retention pond. But you can't mine away the hill.
You can't sell the hilltop.
Right. You can't You can't do what Dade City is allowing to occur under our code.
Okay, so whatever however you want to word it. I would be interested in sending a letter to Dade City for them to consider adopting something more I I mean what do you think? Is it overstepping or I hate to see it.
Why don't I just reach out to uh Leslie Porter, which is the city manager, and talk to her about that. And then come back to you with With what they think and what they think they can do that would coincide with what we do in the county.
Because they may not even know that we don't allow that.
Oh and they might personal opinion is they don't have the same level of staff the only health issues that Pasco County does. So we have a staff that knows how to regulate mining. I'm not sure they have enough staff to even regulate a property.
That's why they could just adopt ours. They don't have to invent it.
administer properly administer regulations like we have. Right. But that's a discussion that the chair can possibly have.
I can uh discuss that, reach out to Leslie Porter and and talk to her about those issues. So
Okay then then um th the that lady that spoke about building a house So she can't live in her current home. And and then demolish it before she gets a C O for her new home? Oh there. Okay. Why why why I'm kinda surprised. You have to demolish a current home before you can start building?
That
rule's been
around for a long time.
Well I g I get the C O I I get not giving her a C O if although I'm you know I'm all for ADUs. I don't know if that one counts. But
you know why that rule was put in place? 'Cause people would be living in a trailer and then build their new home with the anticipation that they would remove it. And once it's done, without that ordinance being in, once that's done then they keep both properties.
Well she wouldn't I think we could say you don't get a CO.
We're we're working on some language with the LDC to we we had this discussion a few boardings. Meetings ago with regards to having a mobile home or a trailer, if you will, while your home is being constructed. So we're we're working through the nuances because the slippery slope is what Commissioner Oakley refers to, is it becomes permanent. You know, I'm not familiar with the particular situation or what the rules are with regards to that. We can certainly have have the team look into that and get back with But
um You know, there's there's always two sides to that story.
Okay. Mr. Chairman Mariano? Yes. So I mean I think the solution is
H uh house right now, trailer right now, right? They want to build a new one. Well as soon as the other one's done, all you've got to do is put conditions on that as soon as it's done before you're gonna get a CO, the other one's gonna get demolished within sixty days or whatever it may be. That's
the same as
Mr.
was talking about.
But so I
mean
there's there's ways to do other counties are doing it to the north? So it can be done. Um and I know sometimes you get the fear of a person that doesn't do it, but Does our rules suggest that now, uh Mr Steinstones? Well
Oh the ordinance or the ish well, it it's the building the building code and the land development code uh operating together. It becomes a multifamily property if there are two unit two units with On the property with certificates of occupancy. You can't condition a certificate of occupancy So that makes it difficult to say we're gonna issue a certificate of occupancy for the new house. and then but require the old house
to be knocked down prior to prior to. So there's going to be a window, even if you were to issue a building permit for the new house. There's gonna be a window where you there's gonna be a window window where you're gonna have to have one house taken down before the CO can be issued for the second house. And once you issue a C O that's pretty much it. You don't know yet, you're done.
Yeah, and we're working through a lot of nuances because there is some nuanced stuff with this. We're looking at lot size, we're we're looking at active building permit considerations and among the other things that Attorney Steinsteiner points out there's I d I wish it was that straightforward, but
Sorry. Is that it?
I thought of something else but then I started conversing with the sheriff's office and I lost the right-of-way.
I'll stop because I I do want to hear um the update on the mobile and
I'll actually give you some time later if you come up with something. Okay.
But we we have some good and not good things moving through the legislature, so I'm anxious to get a little update from Ralph, so I'm
gonna shut up. Okay. Um Bradford. You have something today?
Uh
no sir. Okay. Thanks, sir. Mr. Mariano.
I'm just gonna bring a couple of things real quick and would and um I'm good for the little local. I think we need to get that discussion. I think the sooner we have this discussion the better, even for later on today. It'll be done. Yeah. So I wanna say um you know very happy with the Sun West project that got approved today. The construction should be done by the fall of twenty twenty four. Um the volleyball nets that are gonna be in and was which Also work for Sand Soccer. They
get
tournaments gotta getting ready to be scheduled, so it should be a good boost for that whole area up there. And I want to just bring up a point. I I'm glad we passed the stormwater plan today. Uh met with the company yesterday. I know I I guess everyone else has met with them as well. Uh Jason, I think, done doing a great job, got a great team team working on it. And I think it's gonna be critical that we look real closely, and I've and I had this in my conversation with him. Um we had a big baffle box grant at the Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council in the Estuary. Uh something we talked about here,
pushed it down there, got it. We got it but the estuary When they did it they focused on just the old tennis bay first. They want to wait another year before they put us into it. I told Jason I think what we should do is get our own consultant going, go develop our own baffle box plan. We can submit something through regional plan to council through the estuary to get that moved up a lot quicker. And then if it gets approved through the state, which is where it's coming from from part two money, then we can make a move forward. So I just told him I I think that's
what he should do. I think he's gonna do it anyway, but I just wanna bring it to the board if he comes to w w an item like that. It's it's because of that. Uh and I wanna thank Colleen. Um We got our first Noah Grant ever, and it was all on her persistence about litter traps that we had talked about before. She kept pushing, pushing and uh Bear Creek is gonna be the first one we've got done that's gonna improve water quality uh in Pasco County. So more to come, there's a whole bunch more coming in from uh three hundred and seventy thousand dollar grants work with IFUS uh University of
Florida. Uh so Colleen, thanks for the great work and we'll have a probably announcement coming up in March when we're gonna do a presentation or some type of uh kickoff art. And other than that I just shouldn't go up to Live Local because it's the most important thing for us.
Mr. Powell? You wanna uh go through our meeting at Tallahassee? I got some pictures there somewhere that
I'm we can talk about it. I mean we there there were there were a lot of things. I think it was a very successful legislative um trip. Uh we all we all went up uh hand in hand. I thought we had a pretty good plan and approach and I thought it worked uh worked very, very well. Um Uh Chief of Staff here will be reaching out to you uh if she hasn't already to discuss anything that she'd like to see done differently uh coming up in the next one. But again it's it's trying to continually better ourselves and again better more importantly better our chances for appropriations
or or working legislation that's gonna be of benefit to our citizens here in Pasco County. So I just thank you all for for participating and doing that and and working together on this 'cause I thought it was a very successful trip and of course I'd like to reserve some time for Live Local because that is extremely important and a lot has happened between our trip to Tallahassee and even today.
Okay.
Thank you.
I I agree with you and I think it was a a great meeting that we had in the legislature and um it it turned out our our meetings went very very quick and a lot quicker than we thought they would happen. And uh I think they're very meaningful meetings, much better than the year before and I th I think that's just a plus plus for the meaning we have because compared to the last year it it was way more productive than we had before. So I
think if we mirror that in the future we'll we'll still do a a good job on earning.
Yeah I think I think our efforts even at the start of having a workshop where we discussed our legislative agenda and and got our um our thoughts aligned prior to walking in there was was
important.
And so you'll see more of that and I'd I'd like to widen that net and again to our municipalities and even to some of our private sector folks and really let's let's talk about one Pasco. So that's uh continue we'll we'll continue to push that. Right.
Okay. Mr.
Steinsteiner.