PC5 PDE-24-7819 Lake Thomas self-storage special exception

26:14And we'll move to item PC five, which will be presented to you by Liam Devine.

26:20Yeah.

26:25Liam Devine, Planning Development and Economic Growth Department. I know Denise went over some expertise communications already for some housekeeping purposes. For other housekeeping purposes, there was a revision to the memo in condition number six. I know you were all sent that, and so was the clerk. Basically, that was revising condition six to say after dedication, rough proportionality, adding the language unless otherwise determined by F dot. And then after that, it should also say the owner slash applicant

26:56shall instead of may. So that would be the revision to condition number six. And this is PC5, PDE 24-7819. It's a special exception request for a self-storage facility in C1 neighborhood commercial district in the name of Lake Thomas Plaza LLC.

27:17The future land use is ROR under the comprehensive plan and the applicant per um the applicant's request is to develop the property with a self-storage facility in conformance with C One neighborhood commercial district standards, the conditions of approval for the special exception, and um the land development code section eleven oh five. of self-storage facility design standards. And the subject site is on the west side of Land O' Lakes Boulevard, approximately 185 feet south of Darter Road. It's also located in the central market

27:48area and is outside the urban concentration and rental areas.

27:53Here's an aerial view of our map.

27:58There's a zoomed in aerial of the subject site area. This is only a portion of the entire parcel.

28:06The surrounding future land use to the north is Res 6, to the east is ROR, to the south is ROR and RES 6, and to the west is Res 3 and Res 6. The surrounding zoning to the north is M Pud, the Little Lake Thomas MPUD, to the east is R two and C two, to the south is R one, R three and C two, and to the west is R three and M Pud Little Lake Thomas M Pud.

28:32The subject site is undeveloped on approximately 2.1887 acres. Again, that's only a portion of the entire parcel. Um access to the property is from Land O' Lakes Boulevard, which is an F dot maintained R trailer roadway.

28:47Here's the applicant's con um conceptual site plane.

28:55And this is coming with recommendation for approval with conditions from Planning, Development, and Economic Growth Department. I'm here if you have any questions.

29:03Okay, any questions from up here yet? Okay. The applicant's present.

29:14Mr. Chairman Mariano Uh PA one oh nine North Brussel Street. Tampa, Florida. Did we do swearing in today, Mr. Chairman?

29:25I don't recall being sworn in.

29:27You're worried about yourself, is that it?

29:30As we've discussed many times, I'm used to being sworn at, but I feel like maybe I

29:35need to be sworn in too. That's a good idea. So right now for anybody who plans to get up and give testimony, if you please stand, raise your right hand and be sworn.

29:49Oh you need that again.

29:52Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth to help you God?

29:56I do. Thank you, Mr. Hobby.

30:01Hold Oh one second.

30:05Excuse me, Chairman. Can we use a Elmo instead?

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30:12It's not working.

30:16The Elmo doesn't work.

30:19So do you need my

30:20flying? Yeah, well see if it works on one.

30:27Tech issues, sorry.

30:30Uh Mr. Chairman, you heard from staff that the subject properties on 41, it's about equidistant between Tower Road and School Road. And it's a small property that already has ROR and C One and would allow some pretty intense retail uses. Our client wants to build a self-storage facility on the site. And as you'll see in just a minute, uh the site benefits from a planning perspective by a couple of things that

31:00I think are making the site easier on our neighbors for this type of use. One is uh Lenard recently developed a townhome site immediately to the north. And on that site, they chose on their site to put a park on the south hundred feet or so. And so there's already a vegetated, heavily vegetated, effectively 100 foot area between our site and their two-story townhouses. On the south side of the site,

31:31there is a small parcel that's about 100 feet in width that's undeveloped, that's heavily vegetated. And a C2 site that's also there. And so as you'll see in a minute from staff, the the upshot is that we basically have about either 120 to 150 feet from any residences from the site. The overall site that we have, I want to say, is around five acres. This is just the frontage partial. The rear of the parcel

32:02has office zoning on it and so it's intended over time that it would be developed if at all as office. And I'm very much aware that our neighbors to the south are part of the preserve. That's one of our premier communities um and very well thought of with a strong HOA out in that area. So we wanted to make sure that we had an adequate buffer or distance between them and as I measure it, we are essentially uh from the first area you might be able to

32:32see this site about five hundred feet from a residence's lot. So um this is just showing you some of the stuff we can go on past this site that's that we can go maybe the next page there, Patty.

32:46It's you gotta go on the right on the PDF. I'm sorry for not doing this in a PowerPoint.

32:52Yeah it's

32:53It's not

32:54Yeah it's not oh wait maybe I didn't Yeah it's not letting me go.

32:57Okay well don't worry about that. You've gotten the the upshot of it. Um as I said, I think we we require to install a type B buffer on the south. South, there is already a type uh B buffer with an eight-foot fence along the north side. So I think we've got a lot of buffering and and I've talked with I think three of the neighbors who are here and what they're concerned about is some drainage issues that started with a development to the north. And I, you know, will tell the Planning Commission as I always do,

33:28we're happy to meet with them after the hearing. And have them meet with our engineer more importantly who's not here. We have a good local engineer. And if there are issues going on with some some drainage feature not being maintained or something like that that may be causing an existing drainage issue, we'd like to help solve it if we can or at least point out to them what the feature is that maybe needs some maintenance. So I'm happy to listen to their comment. But I think the project in general is approving a

33:58use that's less intense than the C1 uses that are already out there.

34:02So thank you. Okay, thank you. Any questions for Mr. Hobby? No?

34:09All right. Anyone from the public? Questi to speak. Please come forward and state your name and address, please.

34:23My name is Katrina Maidwell, and I own the property directly to the south, uh, in front of Lake Thomas, which I know there are a lot of the residents are also here. That property is zoned residential. I didn't get the notice from the attorney even until yesterday, so I do have some concerns, obviously, and a lot of questions. Uh flooding is definitely one of them. We've noticed a difference since the townhomes were. In and this property has not flooded before. Another thing is I'm not sure how tall this building is supposed to be, and I'm

34:53unfamiliar with what a type B buffer is. And so obviously, with a residential property right next door, I have a lot of concerns and questions. I've also not had a chance to talk to counsel or anything on how this might affect me or the value of the property.

35:08Okay. Well we he's making notes I see back there about your question, so we'll he'll come back up when everybody's done. and try to re answer those questions and then you can also have more discussions afterward. He's he'll make himself available. Is that right, Mr. Hobby? Mr. Hobby. Yeah. You'll be available after the meeting? Okay.

35:30All right, thank you.

35:31Thank you very much.

35:42Again, if we could just have your name and address.

35:44Hello, my name is Debbie Gunloggson. I live on [address removed], which is in the preserve at Lake Thomas. And that's the uh the road that abuts the Lake Thomas townhomes that were just built a couple of years ago. We were assured as a community then that we would not have any flooding problems, any standing water problems, that their engineers had the retention ponds planned

36:16so that there would be a floodplain avoided for us. And that has proven false already. Now I've lived on my property for 20 years and we've had rising water in our twenty foot easement before. And it would last maybe two or three days and go. It would drain probably the way it's supposed to. Along came Hurricane Debbie on the third or fourth of August.

36:46And that water has not gone away. And a couple of weeks after Hurricane Debbie we had a couple of bad storms. The water from the retention ponds of of the whatever they're called, Lake Thomas Towns, came right up to the to the fence and was lacking. And it was maybe a distance of this much before it hit my ditch that was already full, and then it would hit my pool, my

37:17seawalled pool. And I'm in fear, and the stand is still there, and I'm in fear of losing the foundation. And it's not just me, all the other homes along Marshall. It's the same thing. Now my concern with the storage facility is If we're already having a problem Braining from pond to pond, however it's supposed to go. It's not working now. And I I need to be assured. And I and I don't know engineer talk

37:48that This won't get worse. We won't lose our pools, our foundations, our homes.

37:54Right.

37:55And um I'm not convinced. This might

37:58time on

37:59the

37:59Well we'll well again we'll try to answer those questions and the f good thing is we have like three engineers on this board, so though they're They'll be very v well versed on those issues, so

38:11We do have tons of footage. Um many of the neighbors took videos and showed the the water where it was and how it's you know almost joining with that retention pond on the other side.

38:25Where where is your property in relation to the where that lake is and all that?

38:29Do you see the Marshop Drive?

38:31Yes. Okay

38:32where it straightens out. Um people yes. There. I'm backing up right to that retention pond.

38:39Oh okay, that's the one of concern, huh?

38:42Yeah.

38:44And we have another neighbor here who's who backs up right to the Barclay Lake, which is where the storage facility is gonna be. That's another flooding issue. Okay, thank

38:57you. Thank you very much for coming.

39:07Hello, my name is Deborah Lynn Gillis. I live at [address removed] and have lived there for 22 years. Uh first of all let me say that I think that you could probably step out your front door and go to anyone in Land O' Lakes and ask them if they wanted another storage unit. I am you probably know better than I do how many storage units we have on Land O' Lakes Boulevard. And I

39:38do realize that storage units do not create as high of a traffic problem as, for example, condominiums, but I also believe that the board is putting in place businesses to support condominiums and apartments. hence the car washes and the storage units. And that is really not what Land O' Lakes is about. And Land O' Lakes is called Land O' Lakes because it's already full of l of

40:08lakes and it is a marshland and it floods almost at every turn. particularly during heavy rainy seasons. My house first of all to comment on the flooding. You will see Lake Barclay, which is the lake on the right. This is a natural Florida spring fed lake. It is not a retention pond. You can get out in a canoe. and you can see the spring boil which is on the north

40:38side of the lake. Now it appears to me that these uh storage units have The square is drawn all around that, so it looks like to me they're going to own all of the lake, okay? But back on to the storage units. When they were put in we came to this m this meeting we were guaranteed that there would not be flooding. the long skinny lake that's on the other side of the What she was just talking about. That has drainage

41:09into the big Lake Thomas. Two hundred and seventy-six acre ski lake down there. Our property all has. frontage to that. But the smaller retention pond on the right is the one that's causing the problem. Now this the long, narrow one has gone down, but the one on the right has not. And that when Swift Mud was out two days ago, they told our people that met with them that that lake what has or that retention

41:40pond has been designed to. Drain into Lake Barclay. We are concerned that if more flooding or more runoff comes from the storage units that Lake Barclay, it's very high. It's very, very high right now. So that is the problem, that second one there. My complaint is not about flooding. I have put in a seawall on the back of my property to Lake Barclay. twenty years ago because I was zoned when I moved into the house, flood zone, and I came over here and I got that

42:10lifted because we put in a s uh seawall. My concern is, and I brought my cell phone, if you want to see the view off of my swimming pool, straight out to the back of my that property. It's just beautiful. But I will be looking if it's gonna be 35 feet high, that's what I'm gonna be looking at, the back of storage units. And I'm I'm concerned that it's gonna affect my property value tremendously. I want to know from the developer what they're gonna do as far as building up the fill. Of course it was

42:40built a way up when they put in our development. Some of our lots slope way down. If they put in a lot bring in a lot of fill, Katrina Maidwell, the first gal that just spoke to you, she's gonna be in a gully because she's got that small piece of land just to the south of them. And if they put that real high and then our development's real high, she's gonna be right in a gully. So That's all I have to say. There are several concerns about this, not

43:10just the flooding. Not just the flooding. And her husband has been trying to maintain the drainage on the front between these two pieces of property. He's ill right now and he's not been able to keep up with it. There's already problems. So thank you. I know I'm over time. Thank you. Questions? Do you want to see the picture out in my backyard? Do you want to see the deer that have been there and are no longer going to be there?

43:36Thank you. It'll be next.

43:42Anybody else like to speak? Have any questions?

43:46I do not know more things. It's not what I can't hear today, but

43:50I I can't hear you when you're back there.

43:52Okay. I thought I was loud enough.

43:53Name and

43:54my name is Gina Finicaro. I'm at [address removed]. I run an animal rescue and sanctuary. I am not here today for this storage unit, but I am for another one. How many storage units and how many car washes do we need?

44:15is what I wanna know. I think is that the cheapest way for the developers to build the things that they're supposed to build to um Bring in business for the people? I don't know. How many do we need?

44:29We can't we can't tell people what they can build i a as long as they qualify under the zoning laws, so Uh we just need to We're we're we're tasked to find out is this a proper use of the property under the zoning law that exists. We can't deny somebody the opportunity to do build something that maybe maybe is not the best economic way to do it. It's that's that's their property. They've been paying the taxes on it.

44:58But it'd be an eyesore to everybody else around the community.

45:04And the flooding.

45:05Yeah.

45:06I'll come back up when it's my turn again.

45:08Okay. Now you've already had a turn.

45:13I'm just teasing.

45:18Okay. Anybody else? Mr. Hobby?

45:22Got all those notes there? Yes, sir. I I was making notes, Clark Hobby, again for the record. I'll try to answer these questions. Um the our neighbor to the south who I've told we will meet with after the the hearing today, because I do wanna I wanna hear from the neighbors about what they're experiencing on the drainage front. Um A mutual friend of ours is engineer of record on the project to the north, so I want to make sure he knows what's going on there. Uh but I also want our engineer to know, as I mentioned before, so if

45:52there are any problems, if something's blocked that was, you know, normally would be in the design, if it needs to be fixed. We need to know. So, and I'll be happy to put them together on that. Um, on the drainage front, I do have a bit of good news for them. Um, our client representative had spoken with our uh engineer of record, and we will not need to import any fill on this site, so we will not be further raising the site and exacerbating the drainage issues that the neighbor maybe. Again, I would also point out there's

46:22a larger site, and in the back of this site, we're it's zoned for office. And I believe for the neighbor who lives across the lake, it will be a good transition. They're probably not gonna be able to see a lot of this building because there'll be office buildings. There'll be a lake and there's some trees and cypress trees. There, then an office building, and then this uh storage facility. The the height wouldn't be higher than 40 feet. That's what our current plan shows. Um let me just see

46:52the other questions we had. Obviously, as as you all know, there's not a whole lot I can do. I'm not a PE about the drainage stuff that will have to be addressed during the site plan. uh period when when that occurs, but I this is not a site that previously has had observed flooding. It's not in a closed basin. So it's really a matter of our engineer just doing the job that they do every day when they engineer sites to make sure that they're following the criteria of the county

47:23and Swift Mud. So that they don't discharge uh higher volume or rate. Of uh stormwater than the pre-development flow was, and you all are well aware of that. Um let's see. Obviously, the board has already created special standards for storage facilities and they actually have architectural standards in the ordinance. We'll have to follow all of that. And the reason why we're sitting here today is that the board decided that this had to be

47:53a special exception in this zoning district. So that's why we're here today. We feel like this is a completely appropriate use. And uh we're following all the rules. And uh again, that for the one neighbor to immediately to the south, she did admit she got our notice. Um, and I have the uh certificate of mailing from the post office that it was within the time, so I don't know if she was out of town or whatever the deal was. But I do have one other thing that I I do want to offer for her benefit, if you'll indul indulge

48:23me, Mr. Chairman. As I said, we're required to have a type B as in Boy buffer on the south side. But what we find with a lot of our neighbors is it's not clear which side, if you do use a fence or a wall, which side of your project the landscaping would go. And so if it's okay with you, I was going to read in a condition we would agree to to clarify that. And it would read as follows. Applicant slash developer shall install A type B buffer

48:53with an eight foot vinyl fence along the south side of the subject parcel, and the required shrubs or other landscaping shall be installed on the south side of such fence. In other words, that way will the neighbor will get the benefit of the landscaping that the code requires. So with that, I'm happy to answer any other questions you may have.

49:15Yeah, I mean I think the biggest question that they seem to have is the nature of the drainage. So I mean I I know that we've got engineers on this board. I mean, I just think Maybe there needs to be some more explanation about what the requirement is in terms of not flooding somebody else's property.

49:33Sure, absolutely. And again, I'm happy to put together because that's a site planning function, I'm happy to have a meeting with these folks. folks with our engineer um at a time in the future so that they can make sure they're working through that to hold our feet to the fire to follow the rules so that we don't exacerbate whatever their problems are. I also think those of us who are from here, which includes almost everybody, you know, behind the dais today, knows that we've had an extremely unusual amount of rain in the last four

50:03or six weeks. I was in Southwest Florida last weekend and I was on a piece of property that had more water on it than anybody has ever seen in fifty, sixty years. So it's just been an highly unusual period of of rainy fall and that but that doesn't mean they don't have legitimate drainage issues and we will do our best following the rules to make sure we don't call

50:27Mm-hmm.

50:31Uh drainage c canals and areas and where the connection points are. get clogged and they're not properly maintained. Right. And that's that's what happens. They back up the water backs up. Yeah, and that it has nowhere to go.

50:45That's right. Um and and sometimes the county, sometimes it's a C D D or an HOA and the preserve has been there long enough, there could be something on their side. I'm not saying that that's what the issue is. There could be a problem with this small lake that she's talking about that rent uh goes around the other ones that it's something is clogged between there and Lake Thomas. I don't know, but again we'll look at that because I know, you know, that we're using Scott's standard on this and he certainly does not want to create a project that floods

51:15his neighbors. No engineer in our area wants to do that.

51:19I do know the amount of rain that came down during Debbie was beyond what most engineers would design stormwater systems for. and some of the rain that we've seen over the last few few weeks. So

51:30we got ten we got ten inches of rain in two days in our area and that's not customary. We're used to getting a lot of rain the summer, but that was a lot.

51:39Mm-hmm. The general rule Is that When a a property's developed The amount of discharge of stormwater after development can't exceed the amount of stormwater that discharged prior to development.

51:57Yes, sir.

51:58All that being said These ponds are designed to operate at the average wet season high water table elevation. So when you get a tropical storm like Debbie on top of a summer rainy season The wet season water table is now higher than the average wet season high water table, which slows the release of the water out of these stormwater systems. And I think that's why there's a lot of folks

52:28right now that are experiencing flooding problems until those water tables recede as we get into the dry season. They're probably going to see these ponds stay at elevated levels.

52:39I think that's probably true. And interestingly, Mr. Mudy, I saw a thing uh on the news the other night. They asked the the one of the utility directors for the city of St. Petersburg if you know that it could rain one time as much as it has, you know, the last month or so. Why don't you design all of your stormwater systems to account for that? And his answer was I think that's a good thing. thought it was it was refreshing. It was very direct. He said, We could do that, but it would take up so much land and be so expensive

53:10that it's not worth uh us meaning the city of St. Petersburg designing to that extreme. And that's why the rules relate more to averages as opposed to extremes. So anyway, I just found that interesting.

53:24Man can control the flow of water, but he cannot control how much falls out of the sky. If the Lord wants to make it rain for forty days and forty nights, it doesn't matter what size retention pond you designed. Right.

53:39Yeah. Brad, did you have something?

53:43I did have a question about the notice that was raised. What was the address address for for the the person person who did not who said she did not receive notice? I'm looking at your list She said

53:49she got it, but she said she got it later. She she told me before the meeting.

53:58[address removed].

54:04Okay.

54:05But she said she got it, Elizabeth. It's just I think she was out of town. That's all.

54:09I couldn't get it till yesterday because my mailing address was changed.

54:14Not a whole lot I can do about that.

54:18Anyway, if if if the board is so inclined again, I would ask that you uh include that condition that I had in there.

54:26All right. Right. Thank you.

54:29Brad?

54:31Hi Brad Tippett, uh Planning Development Economic Growth. Uh regarding that condition to put the landscaping on the outside of the fencing. Um since we just have a single property owner here that that's gonna be benefiting, I was wondering if we could confirm with her that she's gonna be okay with that because Uh one of the issues that we run into is that that landscaping is maintained by the storage facility. So there's going to be people coming on her side of that fence to do that work and it can often appear like they're in her yard and And uh a lot of people prefer to have the fence on the edge of the boundary

55:01rather than landscaping when it's up against residential. Uh so I just said this one person I was wondering if she wanted to just confirm that.

55:07Yeah, would you c come forward please? 'Cause we gotta get you on record. I was thinking while they're there they could just do your whole yard. What do

55:14you guys think

55:15I'm Katrina Madewell, [address removed]. Um This stuff that I'm seeing on the screen is the first time I've ever seen this. And so I have some concerns because I thought in the earlier part when I was hearing this being presented, they said there were no residential properties next to this. And it's not true because my property is zoned residential. And I and if you scroll into that small little sliver of property, which is mine, you'll see there's only six feet from the edge of the house to the property. Mm. And

55:46I really feel like I should have the opportunity to talk to an attorney about this before it can. I don't know if you have to file a continuance or how this works. Clearly, I'm not an attorney, but I am a property owner in Pasco County and I've I've lived here my whole life, and I should have the opportunity to consult with an attorney about this before we move forward. I'm not saying you can, I'm not trying to fight whatever is built on it or not built on it.

56:14uh how this might impact my property value or me as a homeowner. and then go from there. I I understand people are gonna build what they're allowed to build on the property. So I'm not trying to stop it. I'm just trying to understand and I think it should be fair to me that I have the opportunity to talk to an attorney about this before it it gets approved.

56:33So your is this your home on 5903?

56:36Yeah, see if you scroll in there, it's right where the numbers are. If you scroll in even further, and I have my survey with me, you will see there's only six feet. It's built at a little bit of an angle. The house was built in 1941. We spent a lot of money in it. It's been completely rehabbed. It was a terrible property. You can ask the neighbors before we bought it. but we've owned it for quite a while and we've like she said, my husband's been ill and we've been trying to maintain it, including mowing the ditch, because otherwise we get water on our property and there's

57:06been it was so much water I couldn't even get out of the car to go in the front door the other day.

57:10Could could you explain what you said about your address changing? I'm don't what what do you mean?

57:15This is on a major road and we have another property, so I moved my mailing address to our other property.

57:21Yeah, see 5901 is the other one?

57:23Well no, this property has two addresses. That's

57:25what I'm saying. 5901 is the other address?

57:28No. I move it to another address. It's another home that I own where I live.

57:32Oh, okay.

57:32And um we store our boat and some other things on this property because we live in a community and there's no room.

57:39So what is the address that the notice went to?

57:42I'm sorry, the uh my address is on [address removed].

57:45So the to so you received a notice at your Scaglione address. Yes.

57:48I got it forwarded by the post office but I didn't get it 'til yesterday.

57:51I understand. Okay, thank you. But it was forwarded from the previous

57:53correct, it was. But I mean, you can't retain an attorney in twelve hours. I mean that's kind of Unrealistic.

57:59Quick question for you, Brad. What's what's the width of a type B buffer?

58:03Type B is generally 15 feet wide.

58:05Okay.

58:06So typically when they when they put a fence they will put it on one side of that buffer or the other. When they put it against residences, we tend to have a preference from the residents that that that be actually the fence B towards them. Because that gives them a more sense of closure of their property. Whereas when you actually put it back and have landscaping in front of it, the landscaping crews that come and maintain that or all those people will actually be coming in it, there's a there's

58:36a kind of a perception that they're on your property. And especially with a property that's as close to the boundary as this one, it's gonna feel like they're right up there next to her house.

58:46It looks like your dri based on the area, it looks like the driveway is kind of They're on the edge of that too, so you may have to move your driveway over a little bit. But

58:53Yeah, there's there's not a lot of room because if you notice there's a little cutout square on the front, that property is owned by someone else and there's nothing they can really do on the property. They just are storing trailers there, like boat trailers and stuff. So our access to the property is already very limited. So obviously I'm concerned about If we move it, where is it gonna go? We're gonna have to cut down trees and all kinds of stuff just to get into the property.

59:23So are you amenable to their suggestion that the type B buffer be reversed where the fence is fifteen feet from your property line and then there's a fifteen-foot Landscaping area that is on their shape.

59:39I know that they're gonna build something. We're not dumb. We know it's gonna be built up of some type. I'm not trying to fight them on it, but I do want to understand what's being built here. I tried to take a picture of where this was gonna be so I could see where it was in relation to my property in the house, but it went so quick I couldn't even get a picture with my camera. And like I told you, I didn't

59:59Well we I think we have pictures of the site plan. Do you have can you get that up there? Uh Clark, can you help with that?

1:00:09Okay. Actually, thank you.

1:00:19Yes. She she's

1:00:21there any way for me to delay that answer do or do I have to give you an answer on this today?

1:00:25Well y I think you said just a minute ago that you'd rather have the foliage on this your side of the fence.

1:00:32If I might Mr. Chairman M the I two things I would say. Number one, I think the type B is at fifteen feet. We're willing to increase that to twenty five in any event and Our latest plan actually shows the driveway going further away from her site and we actually are trying to keep err all of our improvements. further away from her site. I if I need to strike the motion I I previously asked for, I'm fine and I will delay it. We'll meet with her and if she wants it on her side,

1:01:02we'll put it on her side. If she wants it on our side, we'll put it on our side. I uh we're we want to be a good neighbor here. So we're happy to do whatever she would like.

1:01:11Is that something?

1:01:13So you want to continue?

1:01:15Is that something you can iron out between now and the Board of County Commissioners?

1:01:24Mr. Chairman Mariano. Uh yeah, we would we would address this prior to site planning. Again, I'll meet with her as soon as she's ready and she can bring a lawyer or what or engineer. That's that's all fine with us. Really a site planning issue as I see it. Right.

1:01:39Yes,

1:01:39I think

1:01:39that makes a lot of sense. That's really what you're concerned about, is the site plane.

1:01:43Right,

1:01:43that's right. It's how we lay the side.

1:01:45Okay. Thank you very much.

1:01:47All right.

1:01:54Okay. No, I'm sorry, we only have you one up one ti one time. We'd be going all back and forth. Um

1:02:04Anything else?

1:02:10If not Yeah.

1:02:17Mr. Mr. Chair. I did also want to add that there's um I did mention that there was an ex parte on this item uh with Mr. John Moody and with Jamie Girardi. There's also one with uh Mr. Derek Pontlitz as well. Did you want to state that for the record?

1:02:35Move to approve item PC five.

1:02:39Yeah, to include uh to we're not gonna do Deal with the landscape buffer then. They're gonna deal with it at site plan.

1:02:48That would be my contention is that that regardless of whether this property's develop Developed as a self-storage or in accordance with the C One neighborhood commercial district, a type B buffer is required one way or the other. So that's a site planning issue.

1:03:05Okay.

1:03:08Well, I I'll second that motion and I I mean I think it's important to note as as the adjacent property owner and and we hear your concerns and we understand. Um but understand that that property is is zone C one, can get developed without anybody coming in and and asking for and even offering you anything further that they're offering you. I mean there are provisions, additional provisions in the code for the storage um uses that he's acknowledged. He's also agreed to meet with you prior to site plan. So I mean I I think you've got to be a little bit more than that. I mean all s when all things are considered

1:03:38I think you've got it pretty good that they're willing to work with you and try to make sure that your concerns are met and and addressed. So Just wanted to make sure that was added.

1:03:47Okay, we have a motion, second. Any further discussion? If not. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, like sign. Okay, emotion curious.