Townhome standards and PVAS

3:23:56interconnects, yes disinfection is is an issue in in in terms of what we get but but know that those those relationships are good. So if there are issues uh clearly we'll we'll we'll try to we'll try our best to resolve them. The the second thing back to community Commissioner Weightman, when we were talking about emergency action plans and looking at certain areas, know that traffic operations we we do we do look at operational improvements in a lot of areas. And in fact, that's where you'll see some

3:24:27feedback. I'm gonna move the microphone. The we're getting, you know, there's a lot of we'll we'll make operational improvements in in areas where where necessary. So signals, there's warrants. know that with the Caroline Drive project, for example, when they come in for site plan there's access management standards. organically the transportation network increases and I but I understand the frustration of folks want capacity now when it's built for when it's there. It's very expensive and and it happens organically over time, but

3:24:57that's that's why we have operational folks that go in and and make those adjustments and and tweaks to to provide for safety. Believe me when I tell you that safety is is paramount uh for these folks. Um The last thing that I wanted to mention, uh just and it was kind of in the discussion with townhomes, uh know that our staff is listening to you. Uh I think it's apparent when you see some of these projects that come up while they may not have all of the components necessarily that the board are looking for. at this moment in time because we are evolving,

3:25:27we we are in a state of evolution right now, um, know that they are listening and I think Mr. Tippin said it well, a lot of the changes in the levers that we pull today we won't see For You know, three hundred and sixty-five, you know, a year, year and a half before these things start coming out of the ground. But I will ask, because it you know uh Commissioner Weightman did did mention a sense of urgency on things and and I would like some more guidance on this because we have come back to the board on single family built-to-rent. We talked about that and have developed policies that we've put

3:25:57in place. Our our next to bring to you, and it'll probably be on the twenty-third, is is addressing four. forty and fifty foot lots. So we are intending to come back to you and bring industry with you with us as well. After that we've got horizontal apartments, which is a branch off of the built-to-rent, and now there's townhomes. So these are I I I wanna make sure that that's still the priority and we can still work in that order, but it will it's these are the same people that are still having to work and approve all these MPUDs and working on this airplane while it's still flying. So

3:26:28I I just I wanna make sure that We're okay with that. And and I've got planning workshops too where I need your your time. So I'm I'm simply asking. Are these your priorities, are these in order and are you comfortable being patient with us over the course of the next six to nine months as we move through these methodically. Commissioner Starkey.

3:26:48Um so I I would love townhomes and forty foot lots in the same category 'cause to me they're just about the same thing. Um and and m my issue with them is they they just and I and I will tell you the last two people have come into my office and showed me forty foot lots I've said, you know, I just can't approve a forty foot line anymore. And they did say, okay, they've been going through the process and, you know, they're all ready to bring it to us and they've been through staff and worked out all the things and actually

3:27:18one of them we approved today. Um But uh I I'm just not gonna prove I'm just not gonna vote is is that legal for me to say? Well no I don't want to vote for um forty foot front loaded anything. Nothing.

3:27:35If the commissioner believes that compatibility of forty foot lots is not consistent with the area, she can vote against them.

3:27:43Yeah. So I think we've got a good good share of the Tampa Bay region's forty foot lots, personally, already on the books. Um and um and so Uh I know that that a fifty foot lot uh might be a little more ex expensive. Um But you know, we can't solve the world's problems in Pasco County. Um and as far as far as Forties, fifties, and town homes. My my only issue with

3:28:13my issue with town homes If they're front loaded, which I don't like. Um is that they gotta have some vegetation in the

3:28:22front.

3:28:23And that's the same thing for a forty foot and fifty foot or anything. And I think it was you that showed me a picture of a street in Asturias where you have houses on one side with street trees a and and houses across the street with none. And I'd love for you to show the board that picture. Because it tells a it tells a thousand stories. That when you have a community without trees, it isn't a community that ages well or financially does well. But he's got the best example. Um

3:28:54'Cause one side of the street has 'em and the other side doesn't and it's striking. So I don't know if you want to put townhomes and forty and fifties all in the same group.

3:29:05So I uh my only a my only response to that is is that we've been working with industry on the forties and fifties. We have not been working with them on the townhomes. Certainly planning can whip something up and bring it, but just know that you know, we we tend to try to, you know, work work with with folks so it'll kinda be uh a little less coordinated if you will, if we were to bring something to you on on those lines.

3:29:33Okay, Mr. Steinsteiner? I'm I've I've said this before I'll but given the conversation I'll say it again. You can develop regulations that outlaw 40-foot lots in all and for all intents and purposes. But you have to adopt those regulations.

3:30:02We're not treating everybody consistently. So if I if You don't think the forty foot lots are a product type that is conducive to development here. We can create regulations that outlaw them. Um you gotta That's a it's a broader conversation because as you're Res number in future land use gets higher And

3:30:33you want single family the lots have gotta get smaller. It's So if if you're giving them a res nine And it's still gonna be single family. The only way you can utilize a res nine with single family is narrower lots. So it it it's a bigger question than just lock type that is gonna take some debate and understanding. But you can but all of these

3:31:03issues that you see that you don't like Unless the legislature preempts you You you can adopt controls in your land development code.

3:31:14Commissioner Oakley. All right. The issue I want to bring up is we've already approved a lot of 40-foot lots throughout the county. If I'm not mistaken, it aren't those lots 40 and 50s used in BOPH. You're not going to go in there now and take those away. They've got to have them. So everything in VOPH in that area is going to have those clusters and areas where they have those lots. Uh I did have um The gentleman came to me the other day that had presented

3:31:44to us a 40 and 50 foot light. Project. that said he was moving that project to Um to rear loaded, which I think is a better product. of forty and fifties and gives you more room and parking space for families and those kind of stuff. So that is coming and some of B O P A's 'cause they just told me about here this last week, so Um We've got to do that. But anything new I think we need to caution

3:32:15we've got a lot of 40s and 50s coming. We probably don't need any more. But um Yeah. I I really like for lots to be sixties and more, especially in in your northeast rural areas, so Yeah. Be better. Commissioner Starkey.

3:32:34Um you know when you have places like V OPH or we have on our side coming New Port Corners And you have a commercial No. Which I don't wanna be strip commercial. It's gotta be like vertical mixed use commercial. Um It ma you know, you do do Density, you ver you know, you vary the density going out. But that's They have to have those special things around them.

3:33:05to for us to allow that that kind of density to occur. V O P H is one of those places. Right. Newport Corners is one of those places. But anywhere in the county is not one of those places. You know, it's gotta be 'Cause you're building a walkable community to some Call right. What's your word? Entertainment. Entertainment. And and I I did say too to the gentleman that um who I think's doing a great job so

3:33:35far, the one that's been buying up a lot of property in V O P H. I don't remember his name.

3:33:41Glabin.

3:33:43He was showing all the commercial and he

3:33:44said,

3:33:45Well I'm not I'm not doing the commercial, I'm doing the residential and I said to our staff our staff in my meeting with him, please don't bring me regular strip commercial in a V O P H. I mean that should be vertical mixed use, in my opinion. I'd give 'em more density if they put the shop, you know, right commercial uh residential above and cool shops below. And um I mean that's what you're seeing happen in Saint Pete and Tampa and and I was just in Winter Park. It's all over Winter Park

3:34:15with the shops below and residential above and it was a great place to hang out. So We just need to improve our commercial as well. Our entertainment areas. Right.