P eighty-four Life Church MPUD rezoning Old Pasco Road

1:46:05Mr. Chairman for item P eighty four. It was published in the Tampa Bay Times March 10th, 2021.

1:46:12Okay.

1:46:13Good afternoon everybody. Candy Snyder Planning

1:46:15and Development. All right. We have again for you the Life Church MPUD Master Plan Unit Development PDD 217504. Next slide please.

1:46:31Um I'm just gonna go over this quickly since you've all already seen this presentation. Proposed is a rezoning request from AR Agricultural Residential Zoning District to an MPUD to allow 122 single family detached residential units on approximately forty-one point eight acres. Next slide.

1:46:50Here's their master plan. Next slide.

1:46:55As you may remember, they are requesting some LDC variations. The neighborhood park landscaping, they want it in interior to the park rather than just around the perimeter. Um They were requesting to reduce the park acreage and I did find out yesterday from the uh applicants representative they are willing to produce the 1.22 acres. Um they're going they would like to pay into the sidewalk fund in lieu of construction of the sidewalk, seeing as how it's uh Old Pasco road widening project

1:47:25is already underway. And the allowance of an additional ten foot lane at the entrance for emergency access and the LDC does allow for such. Next slide, please.

1:47:37Um the Planning Commission heard the item at the April 22nd, 2021 meeting, voted to recommend approval with amended and added conditions of approval. Um and the added condition of approval was to fence the stormwater ponds. The BCC heard the item at the May 18th, 2021 meeting. The applicant had attended virtually, and there were technical difficulties. And since the BCC had questions, they voted to continue the item to today, June 8th, 2021. Some of the questions were

1:48:07the timeline of Old Pasco Road construction. Was there a proposed trail on Old Pasco Road? The approximate number of additional schools. children from this development and the size of the proposed neighborhood park was in question, but now it's gonna be the LDC requirement. Next sec next slide.

1:48:26So we did go ahead and gather some additional information for you. The design of Old Pasco Road does begin this summer with the proposed completion at the end of 2023. And the typical roadway section for this portion of Old Pasco does contain a 12-foot multi-use path and a six-foot sidewalk in addition to bike lanes on both sides of the road. And the school board indicated that the number of new students in the system would be 22 elementary, 12 middle school, and 15 high school students. There

1:48:56was also concern about the proposed pond fencing and clarification regarding pond slopes and Commissioner Mariano said he wanted the full park acreage. Next slide.

1:49:10This slide came from project management and this depicts Old Pasco Road, the timing of improvements and what sort of improvements are being proposed and directly adjacent to this project. um is the green there and it's going to be um designed this summer Gonna start construction immediately after because they don't need to require any additional right-of-way for this piece of the project. Next slide.

1:49:39And here is the typical roadway section. You can see that there is a 12-foot multi-use path on one side, a six-foot sidewalk on the other, two bike lanes, and all that will be included in the roadway.

1:49:54Next slide.

1:49:56And that is consistent with the Pasco County Ad C and the uh applicable provisions of a comprehensive plan. Next slide. And with that we recommend approval with conditions.

1:50:10Can I ask one question? Go ahead. Um Tammy so just to be clear, the applicant has withdrawn the request for the variation for the neighborhood park.

1:50:19Size, correct.

1:50:20So if the board moves approval, they need to accept out that change. Correct. Okay.

1:50:27Thank you.

1:50:29Um can you put that road section back up? This is just for our planning department, I guess. I I sure you know, we save that ten feet for the bike lanes there. And it To me it would be so much better if we took some of that space And Added it to where the multi-use path is. Make that so it's not a straight linear experience mushed up against the road, no landscaping. 'Cause no one's

1:50:59riding in those bike lanes. There I mean Maybe out in Dade City, but You've got that on State Road fifty four, everywhere. No one's used Very rarely do you see that being used, so I wish we could take that space and Do something different with it. Um the next thing is for me to approve this project. It's gonna require a tree in front of every house. Not in the back, in the front. Not a not a queen palm. No,

1:51:31we don't. And until they fix the landscape ordinance, I have to say this at every MPUD. And so um because right now they can put the tree in the backyard Then you have what I showed you. Of that road with nothing. Looks like parts of Baltimore that I visited thirty years ago. and people cut down their tree. And then they have nothing. Uh-huh. So um I'd like an amendment that every house will have a shade tree. In front of it. At

1:52:01least one. Fully noted. And uh my concern with the the the fence was I didn't want a fence around that. Yeah. And the slopes were fine to not have to have a fence around that. So

1:52:14Right. So y it is in your power to deny that.

1:52:18Yeah. So I want to deny the fence and add a tree. Well happy laugh.

1:52:26Thank you Mr Chairman M obviously one of my concerns last time um which has been one of my concerns for some time has has been the widening of Old Pasco. I think some of the the citizens over here we talked about it um too. Um so the timing on this section should either coincide or be in advance of probably when I would assume they're they've completed construction or or O or uh not as much well, I guess I'd be we could say construction uh of their entire development. Is that true, Mr. Biles? What we talked about earlier?

1:52:57It you know you'll award the design contract next week. The goal is to get under construction twelve months from now.

1:53:03Okay. And then I think the I think they said there was about about a two year project probably or so to get completed. See if not okay. 'Cause that's a small section, shouldn't it take that long to construct as long as you use the right contractors.

1:53:18Right, that are backwards.

1:53:22It'll be the lowest responsive bidder,

1:53:23Commissioner. Commissioner. Yeah, I I know. That's what I meant.

1:53:28Mr. Chairman Mariano.

1:53:29Mr. Chairman clarifying. Wait a minute. Mr. Bayonet.

1:53:33Thank you. Um Commissioner Moore, I was talking to Mr. Biles earlier last week when I drove Old Pasco Road close to the fire station.

1:53:42Yep.

1:53:42On the opposite side of the road, there's like a development going there.

1:53:45Yeah.

1:53:45It looks like the drainage is like right next to the road. Do we have room, do you know?

1:53:49Yes, sir. We have room. That was verified with planning and engineering services.

1:53:55Okay, perfect. Okay. Um so I'm I'm glad to see you guys have had the one point two acres. I understand all the right away you gave us to make sure we had all the room for Old Pasco Roads. We appreciate your working with us from the get go on that. Um I will tell you as as far as the trees go. I don't care whether it's a palm tree or a shea tree, 'cause frankly if I had to pick my tree, I'd want to have a palm instead of just a shea tree. But if you want to be flexible with that and they're flexible with that, I'm good with it.

1:54:21Well, if it's not a queen palm, which is a palm that is attracts rats and roaches. And they're so cheap and yeah, they're not good.

1:54:33Oh well then lets you and me drive around and look at all the houses that have put one queen palm in the front. So no queen palms.

1:54:42I'll I'll take you over to Mitchell Rands. Mr.

1:54:45Well, I'd like to clarify the fence comment. I think what you would like is that they comply with the land development code with respect to fencing around stormwater ponds.

1:54:54What I what I want is what they want, which is no fence.

1:54:57Well that's if they design it with a slope that is flat enough where it's not required for the land development code, they wouldn't put a fence there if the

1:55:06We have fen we have there's a fence on Massachusetts that has no slope and the pond is fenced and

1:55:12it's nasty. The land development what the land development code rules whether or not they use a fence. It's a slope requirement in there.

1:55:17Yeah, I Mr. Chairman Mariano I agree with Commissioner Starkey on that too, because it's it it's it's to me it's like an added value for the community as well. I mean now you have a pond and eventually there's gonna be fish in there, and the people gather around it, they can they can fish and You know. Collect guppies. Yeah. What did you call it? What did you say? Collect guppies. No, no, there's big bass in those ponds.

1:55:39You have a

1:55:40huge. Yeah, we've got monster bass. They'll eventually get there. They find their way there. There's an

1:55:44aprican here. Would you like to speak?

1:55:49Go. That's

1:55:49not that. Red tip of planning development. I just wanted to clarify that last comment. Um is the request to to allow them to deviate from the land development code if the land development code would require a fence, if the slope is four to one and they require a fence normally.

1:56:06Okay. So so as long as they slope it in a different manner. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

1:56:11It's more like a waiting poem than yeah.

1:56:13It's an

1:56:14aspect of the liability.

1:56:18Thank you Shelley Johnson [address removed] in New Port Chieve, Florida. Yes, [address removed], New Port Chief, Florida, and I have been sworn and I'm happy to answer any questions. We're fine with those changes. Um Requiring the trees in the front as well as um

1:56:34I'm sorry. You had you were as you're approaching, you were sitting your name, you have to say it at the

1:56:37microphone. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Thank you. It's uh Shelley Johnson. Thank you. And I have the sworn. Yes. So we are good with those revisions and we would like to not have the fence around the pond is and we can do the sloping, you know, comply with the land development code. So we're good with that. Perfect. But we're happy to answer any questions. We have our whole team here, so Okay.

1:56:58Wait for the public comment.

1:56:59Is anyone at the kiosk on this item?

1:57:05There is no reason to assign them.

1:57:07All right, thank you. Do you have anyone signed up?

1:57:10Uh the only individual signed up is Valerie Phillips on this item.

1:57:15Okay. Coming forward.

1:57:19Name and address for the record and if you've been sworn.

1:57:24Hello, my name is Valerie Phillips and I'll be speaking for my son Christopher Phillips and he lives at you must state your address.

1:57:33Yeah, my address is [address removed].

1:57:38And last time you didn't get the see and we were sworn in. Thank you. Yes, ma thank you. Thank you. And I think that um Joanna has our videos. The first one, I'm standing in front of the proposed property and facing north. Towards the school, Hernando uh um Pasco uh Community Arts. That's the I seventy five. New on and off ramps going in on o overpass road. And as you can see there's

1:58:09a lot of traffic. I talked to the school board They said the high score is forty-seven. school buses and the middle school has probably about thirty eight. transportation for the school board said they had planned on starting school and finishing school about the same time. However, if they did that, they measured the buses and it would go all the way back to I seventy five. So they had to stagger

1:58:39the start times and the finish times.

1:58:43also on this piece of property, I thought the These hearings were supposed to be posted. Now I live on [address removed] and I face the Epperson Ranch. And I've seen those postings for public hearing. This still today has never been posted. Not for Planning Commission, not for these meetings, for nothing. I drove by there on my way here. Nothing telling anybody that this meeting is today. Now this is me driving south towards

1:59:13fifty four. More construction. And this is Had it South just south of the property and south of the industrial parkway. Right before you get to the intersection, before you get to the life church. And there's dump trucks pulling in and out. School buses, tons of cars. Traffic backing up. Now the thing about this is is You know, I don't have a problem with progress. Look at the Upperson

1:59:44Ranch and what's coming in front of me. My road's gonna be closed for two months. They started paving it today. Um but with this Blair Drive always came out on Overpass Road and it was a plat private road just for Williams Acres. Now the county bought up piece of land from the old wasteland property and they put the exit in right there. in the entrance. Well, in the Planning Commissioner, the builder

2:00:14in Life Church said we had two entrances and two exits. And then in the meeting over in New Port Richey that we postponed till today, they said they have one entrance, one exit, and one emergency exit. Well if you've got The property here, 75 on and off ramps here. Blair Drive, the industrial park. My son's home in the community behind him. The only way they got to go was right out. In that video right there. So I

2:00:44mean where where is their access?

2:00:47That's whether to ask them when they come back up.

2:00:49Yeah, I would like I'd like for that to do it. And then another thing you just brought up is the um is the quality of the homes in in Yeah, that's eighty one point eight acres. I mean forty one point eighty eight eighty acres. And uh They want to put how many homes in a hundred and twenty two homes in there? Parks, sidewalks How many homes per acre were they gonna put in there? Thank you for your comments. Okay, thank you.

2:01:17Mr. Chairman Mariano I know you gotta ask, but I don't think there's anybody else here to speak. Can can we ask the applicant to tell us where the ingress egress is will be?

2:01:27She can come.

2:01:28And we can see it on a map.

2:01:30She means to rib up that.

2:01:32Yes, thank you, Chairman Mari Members. Um if we have a map we can show uh if you in the write-up it's it's explained right now. We don't really know where the emergency access is gonna go, if it's gonna go we're gonna have one emergency access. You can see there's two proposed on the south end, but when the site's actually designed and civil engineered, they're gonna choose which axis is gonna work. And I think some of it has to do with the timing of the road improvements and those kinds of things. Or we have the option under the Land Development Code to just do the extra lane at the entrance, which may also be an option. And we may go that way. So to answer the question, once

2:02:02it's engineered, we're gonna have one access and potentially one other emergency access or a lane at the at the access entrance off of Old Pasco.

2:02:11Okay.

2:02:13But we will comply with the land. Shelley,

2:02:14can you address the notice issue since they made an allegation that you didn't post the property?

2:02:19Um staff handled all of that, all of the noticing on this one.

2:02:25No, they don't post the right-of-way.

2:02:26Oh, I'm sorry, Al and them did. Okay. Well on the last couple steps.

2:02:31Okay. I'll let them handle it then. Because the the engineering firm handled it then. And

2:02:35ma'am, just to confirm your name is Justina Gale? Alan's Justina Gale. Okay, I won't.

2:02:44Can I continue my question on the access?

2:02:47Oh go ahead.

2:02:49Okay, so you're you're mention you're basically saying is once you do submit your site plan is when we will see where the ingress egress will ingress and egress will be or multiple ingress egress will be to the property.

2:03:03Yes. Once we go through civil engineering design and so they have proposals of where it may go if there's if there is a separate emergency access, you can see that on our plan if it comes up. But um it's either gonna be one of those or it's going to be an extra lane at the end of the day.

2:03:17Okay, and I'm sorry, let's go back. So the main entrance is on Old Pasco Road. Yeah. The main entrance is on Old Pasco Road. Okay, we just

2:03:27Okay. Um

2:03:32I'm just let me give me a second to read this. Okay, digital right-of-way here. Okay.

2:03:42So what's this tell me about this future Blair Drive?

2:03:47Is that a vision road for the county?

2:03:50It's actually not a Vision Road. When they constructed the when they're constructing the Overpass Interchange, they're making Overpass limited access. So those residents who live there now will not be able to have a direct connection to Overpass Road. So they're gonna be accessing through Blair Drive to get out to

2:04:15These

2:04:15residents?

2:04:16Not these residents. I was talking about the existing residents who live there off of off of Overpass Road now.

2:04:23Okay.

2:04:24So the county is actually County Ador F D O T and project management wanna may want to weigh in if I say anything this incorrectly, is constructing a another way out for those residents to get to Old Pasco Road since they won't be able to get to Overpass. That road is Blair Drive. And I think what Shelly's saying is that assuming Blair Drive is there, they may make that their emergency access instead.

2:04:50Okay. Correct. But but but but that's emergency access that's required under our code that states in case there was just for the residents' sakes, um and correct me if I'm wrong, David or or the team, um under code that's required to have that emergency access For unquote emergency vehicles. Let's say there was a backup or there was an emergency on Old Pasco Road and people could not get in and out of the community. So it would not be used

2:05:20on a daily basis by any means. Correct.

2:05:25Okay. So it won't block your guys. We can't talk from the audience just so you know, but um it will not block you. It won't won't pile up on Blair so you guys can't get in and out. Okay? I just want to make sure they understood that. Okay.

2:05:38Okay, and so so I see on this map Blair Drive will be at the bottom of the new properties. Yeah, it's at

2:05:46the south end.

2:05:47Okay. And the and the residents know that? They know that the uh that'll be their end and now?

2:05:52It's they see the concept plan, that's my understanding, yeah, from the various meetings. Interesting. So I kinda got pulled in a little bit late

2:05:58on this one. Mr. Chairman Mariano and then overpass Whether this development came or not those homes would still not be able to that access overpass. That was close off.

2:06:12That wasn't caused by this development. It was caused by the the interchange at Overpass.

2:06:16Right. Right. Well I just want to make sure they have all the information. And then and then one more thing for the for the folks that came to speak today. Um after this process there is site plan submittal and if any neighboring resident does it's see something that they feel does not follow the land development code, they have the ability to appeal the site plan during that process. I'm sure staff they can raise their hands, whoever's gonna be working on this, if you could raise your hand for the citizens, somebody, there

2:06:46we go. Um get their information and during the process she can notice you when their site plan submittal. And if you see something in the site plane again you feel does not meet and does not follow land development code, you can appeal that, okay? Okay. Just want to make sure everybody's on the same page. All right, that's it for me.

2:07:03Alright. Okay, so I just need somebody to confirm that the site was posted.

2:07:10I I'll confirm I saw the site. Michael Dadey with KB Home 19810 Morton Blessed Drive Leeds, Florida. And have you been sworn? I have been sworn.

2:07:18Right, thank you.

2:07:19Yeah, I I saw the yellow sign out there. Um I did not post it. The engineers office posted it.

2:07:27If I could just briefly address Overpass Road, that video that we saw, it's gonna be a totally wonderful situation once the roadway is improved and this project is dedicating significant right-of-way to make sure that that happens and an additional right-of-way for a right-hand turnout to overpass. So hopefully the residents are going to enjoy these improvements in addition to the overall project. Thank you.

2:07:52Good afternoon. Justina Gale, [address removed]. And uh the proposed site was advertised. We did the mailings and posted, but it was continued a few times, numerous times, because of um the negotiations with the right-of-way and so forth. So it was a little while ago. Um but we'll get But I'm confused. But it

2:08:14was posted at one point with the original hearing date.

2:08:16Yes. And this it this was continued numerous times because we had negotiations with the right away and so forth. So

2:08:23Okay. Thank you.

2:08:27Is there anyone else to speak to this aunt?

2:08:30Okay. I think we're good. Then I'll move for approval. I think we satisfy that we're

2:08:34going to do that.

2:08:35So I just want to make sure the motion

2:08:38with the amend as amended.

2:08:39So it's with the one point two acres of neighborhood park

2:08:43trees.

2:08:43With no fence unless it's required by the land development code. And Commissioner Starkey's tree condition.

2:08:51And the applicant agrees. And the applicant agrees to all that. Okay. Okay. That's the motion.

2:08:57Okay, I got a motion of a second by roll call vote.

2:09:00District two, Commissioner Oakley. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Fitzpatrick.

2:09:09District five, Commissioner Mariano.

2:09:10Aye.

2:09:11Dist District One, Chairman Oakley.

2:09:13Aye. Motion pass 5-0. Okay.

2:09:17Cool.