Commissioner Starkey development and neighborhood concerns

2:51:15Uh start with um my pictures of the Amazon in Bexley. I knew that would get someone's attention. So uh we have some design standards for large um big box. And um it left out these kind of buildings. I guess we weren't anticipating these kind of buildings. And so I want to um make r recommendations that some of that the details that we require On large-scale

2:51:46commercial retail buildings and large-scale commercial retail development projects. Have um n do not have unbroken blank walls and have uh the architectural details that don't give us these this is really Uh not a good thing for the neighborhood. I think I'd speak I think I have Mr. Carballo speak to it. 'Cause he drives by it every day. And uh we've got a we've got more of these coming. And I have been

2:52:16working with the developer of the next one. It's not the same one that did this one. And and while it's beautifully built I would say We can do better. And they will They will do better if we ask them to because I've seen it in other counties. Um also the landscaping on this one, yeah, is a real You know, real problem for me, I've mentioned that here before. If you go back to the picture Before? Um no

2:52:46the first one. That is not enough. to go against that big wall. That is just not enough. And um I mean one tree for every sixty feet, I think is what we have going on there. So I definitely want to see us do better. Um, but I will I would like this board to Um ask our staff to make um Some changes to the special development standards for these kind of buildings

2:53:17as well. So What what does that entail over there? Is that a very big ask or is that something that can be in the next update?

2:53:33Because we have one of these coming on State Road 54 in a very prime location. I've done all I can in my district to encourage them. to put in some architectural details, but we can't make them.

2:53:44So Nictoria Speedos Planning Development. Um so we have the the big box ordinance in place. I think that's eleven oh two. Um section 1102 of the land development code.

2:53:56Yeah, 1102 point one.

2:53:58Yeah. So that there's a model there to follow to address some of the architectural uh pieces to distribution centers, such as this building. Um and I think also the big box ordinance does talk about the type of foundation landscaping that can go along the large retail users. There's a model there as well that we can extrapolate and think about how we want to uh address these types of distribution centers as well. Um it it's not gonna be part of

2:54:28the next round of amendments as those are coming up soon enough. Um however we could take a look at That and uh potentially add a section into eleven oh two that addresses uh distribution centers.

2:54:42Yeah, and is that do is there anything else that we should clump into there and not le I mean is it only distribution centers? I don't wanna Make sure I want to make sure we're catching it all.

2:55:00Right. So in terms of other things that we would wanna um think about Mm-h a lot of these distribution centers are taking advantage of some of the industrial um policies that we have in place. Um that's something to balance uh as it relates to Um

2:55:19How we approach the additional landscaping and architectural requirements associated for these types of industrial users.

2:55:27Does everyone agree? 'Cause That we s need to fix this. Okay. Good. That's number one. Thank you.

2:55:33Commissioner Yeah while I Support The way the planning director is. Um Saying he wants to handle this, which which is a code amendment. Um if you know that a particular user is coming in in an M P U D Yeah. the MPUD could have those regulations in it as well.

2:55:59Does that site ha the site that we're talking about 54 have is that an M PUD?

2:56:04Most of these types of uh developments are coming in as M PUDs. So the County Attorney is correct. We could also deal with them on a case by case Through the MPUDs.

2:56:13I I would prefer to handle it the way you've suggested as it overall so that everybody knows the rules coming in. But if there are MPUDs in process that have these types of uses, that should be something that the planner that is reviewing them considers before you get that code amendment in place, is what I'm

2:56:31suggesting. We would like the planners to know that we want to see better. Yeah. Yeah. So that you can start dealing with that in your meetings, not in my meetings.

2:56:42Madam Clerk.

2:56:43Does that work?

2:56:45But we

2:56:45also want him to fix the code, but until

2:56:47then, so let me just try to give throw an idea out there until the code gets fixed. Do we allow them to apply for a transi a uh The landscape in Grant. so they don't have to bear the cost, but they can still improve the facility. facility until the code changes.

2:57:02They have plenty of Dough in some trees. You're good, I'm good. I want to use that landscaping money for old businesses to bring it bring it up. Uh but these guys will put the trees in. Uh yes.

2:57:18So again, when I traveled out of the state and I was in Connecticut and Stanford Driving down the main road from Stanford to downtown Sanford On the right you have Nestle and on the left you have Synchrony. You would not be able to tell that there were these big box stores because it is all trees in the front. You have to turn off those roads and then even Pepsi in Terrytown, New York, you have to turn off the main road, go up this windy turn

2:57:48to get up to the building at the top of the hill, But it is all blocked off by trees. Yeah. And nice scenery. So I don't see why there wouldn't be enough buffering here to make it look just as nice as up there. Agreed. Okay.

2:58:06Um

2:58:08Okay, so I did that one. I'm gonna save my hard ones for later. Um Uh Green Key. Well, we kinda talked about we talked about that and I would like us to find a way to fix that road and make it more attractive out to our park. And um Um I I did get word from Some folks in development that we that we They were we they had some staff that were bucking them doing rear loaded um

2:58:39designs and I don't think that's what this county wants. We want rear loaded designs. So we want to make sure and I talked to the administrator about this and I hope that's been taken care of. We encourage rear loaded designs. But something that I had in a conversation today with someone who was in a planning meeting was that they were concerned about Well the the alleys have to be wide enough for emergency vehicles. No. Emergency vehicles can use the front road just like in every other development. So don't put more burden on

2:59:09a rear-loaded design and say it has to fit emergency vehicles. because they can use the front door. They don't have to come in the alley if there's a problem. And so I I I don't think that's the right way to be dealing with Ali's If there if there's an issue where service vehicles Need to get to both sides of houses, then every house should have roads on both sides of the houses. So I think you're penalizing. a a r a rear loaded house, personally. Um

2:59:40Today we approved a uh a development with forty foot with all I think it was two hundred and fifty forty foot wide lots. I don't wanna approve any more developments with only forty five Forty foot lots unless it's a special reason. I think we need to start mixing those up or we're just we're gonna we're gonna have a lot of holiday again. Um I've talked to um some of our folks in the development community and they agree

3:00:10with me that we should be asking for a mix of forty, fifty, sixty product Even if it's the same house, just or you know, put a little more features on it, but what Widen those have a mixture and not have every single one cookie cutter the same. Um but I'm not gonna approve any more. I'm not gonna be okay with any more only 40-foot lots. I had someone come in and want to do 800 40-foot lots. Seriously. I know.

3:00:38We need to just move to fifty and above.

3:00:41I don't mind a forty foot lot if it but look it well, you know, when I don't wanna mow grass and when I in ten years I wanna be mowing grass, but In some instances a forty foot lot's okay, but you can't have a whole development of forty foot lots. I think that's worse than the apartments, personally. Um Okay, um two more Oh wait, I sent you a picture of I don't remember what it was. What did what did I send you?

3:01:09Oh yeah. So I'm gonna bring this back um because I was gonna um stop the meeting today. and deal with this, but we're gonna bring this back. Um this is the road section of V O P H What's wrong with that TV?

3:01:25It's also the the road section for Connor. No, um Connected City. And looking at this, and I I was texting out last night about this to many of our development folks, that I I was shocked to see two five foot sidewalks on either side of the road. When you have twenty Five, twenty six. thirty six foot forty one feet and you got a five foot sidewalk. So talk to David and the way w way I'd like to

3:01:55deal with this is to bring it back and say one of those sidewalks has to be eight feet. And there's plenty of room in there to get that in there. But you you don't want kids riding their bikes around the villages of Pasadena Hills in the street.

3:02:11Commissioner O there's an explanation what

3:02:13Yeah but Brad Tipp in Planning and Development. Uh just to be clear when you see these typicals that have the letters AA next to them, that's the initial phase of this row. That's when it's not anticipated to have a large amount of traffic. The section that's labeled 70 B B or 70 C C in these master plans shows those expanded trails and those trails off out of traffic, separated, and much more of what you're what you're thinking of. And that's in the ultimate plans for both

3:02:43of these areas.

3:02:44Okay, well

3:02:44I

3:02:44I do wanna see the trail network for VOPH. But um Pat Gassaway, who lives in Connected City, said what he sees is the little ones right on the five foot sidewalk with the walkers. And the older kids are in the street. So That's not what we want. I don't think Um I think I don't understand why one of those sidewalks can't be wide enough for tr for for young kids to ride their bikes off of the street. I love that they have the golf cart lanes. I think that's great. But

3:03:15no one wants their their kid riding the street. So maybe I I need to see what you're talking about, but Joel two was fine with Amending that.

3:03:24Yeah, and any any time if you'd like to set up a uh time, I'll come to your office and I'll sit down with the master railway plan and we can talk about some of those things and how that works. They're they're kind of unique in those areas the way they're designed. Okay. Uh but uh I'd be happy to to talk about that some Mr.

3:03:40Starkey? Mr. Starkey?

3:03:44office is his office.

3:03:45Commissioner Starkey, can I can I add a little bit to that? Yeah. All right. So and if you look at the right-of-way, yeah. the roadway, as wide as it is right now, it fits the two cars and on both sides you get those smaller lanes. I think we we it'd be a much better design to have it on both sides. Skip. The roadway bike trail or golf cart path, just make it even if you had to go nine or ten feet wide. Won't cost him any more money to go do it. If you especially if you do want it asphalt, and they could run the strips on both sides. It'd be safer, better,

3:04:16and you could have golf carts and bikes going together or put 'em both

3:04:19on the same side.

3:04:20And go like nine no, but b make both sides like nine foot. Get rid of the center part in the roadway. So it's safer. Now everybody's off the road, whether it be a golf cart or whatever. Peachtree City, they have everybody on the side. And they have h they even have cut y cutting through houses at Cal de Sacks. But if you put it all to the side, Everybody's got room and To go through.

3:04:41Well I I'm not sure what you're saying, but this is already approved and built in

3:04:46All right, so let me

3:04:47in many places.

3:04:50other other developments. Just keep the two roadway sections where the white lines are next to the cars. Take away the asphalt that's i near the curb and gutter on both sides. And instead just take your five foot sidewalk and make it like a nine foot path on both sides.

3:05:06Uh I appreciate what you're trying to do and that's what we do in a lot of places like State Road fifty six is like that, but they don't want golf carts on those paths. Um and that's why they have them on the road, correct?

3:05:19They're context specific too. Don't take that, I mean these need to be context specific as well. Yeah. If you put a ten or foot, twelve foot. Concrete path in somebody's front. Yeah, now that you're starting to impact you know, marketing and some other stuff. So there is a there is a way to do that, but it needs to be site specific design. with a trail plan thought out and there is one for V OPH that we can share Commissioner that's been there and one for Connected City and so it's it's really site specific context design. It's really

3:05:49hard to do a blanket, do the whole county like this because you really need to be spite specific context design. That works with the marketing plan the developer wants to use with the product.

3:05:58Yeah, but I I I wanna understand when it's okay to dump a little kid into the street here. So I'm anxious to look at it.

3:06:11I can send you the final stage phase of this. It actually shows what you're talking about. So you'll be able to kind of see that that's ultimately where it goes. It's just at this early stage, there's not enough trips on the road. Certain things are allowed to share the roadway under those lower congestion. uh situations. So That's kind of why it's like that. That's just the first of three phases for that one.

3:06:32And Commissioner Starkey. What concerns me is on State Road 54 when you have a pregnant woman pushing a stroller with children in the middle of the road on these side of the road pathways. So I would like to see them.

3:06:46I don't ever use the bike lanes on the middle of the highway. Um okay, two more two more things. Um Um so I I wanna take you back to um A time when Only Commissioner O Mariano and I were here and Steinsny Goldstein.

3:07:12And Kathy's gone. So we had um I don't know if I have a many maps on this, but Can you just pull up um Google Earth? uh and um do the oaks at Riverside. So We had a a a strange um thing come in where we had a developer who had a a one site left inside of development Uh and he had all the um Approvals that he needed except a site plan, and it

3:07:42was zoned M F one. And Jack you'll remember this. And he um He the market was in a recession and so rather than build townhomes. He was uh coming in to build apartments. And It is a really bad place to put a rental community inside this this existing community that that was built in a very strange way. It's a s what's called a sub DRI. We don't have those anymore

3:08:12in Um but Uh and and a lot of the roads into this parcel were Um blocked by my predecessor, Commissioner Hildebrandt, sadly. I We don't do these anymore. For the most part, we don't block roads because You end up with the problem that we had had But this is the property up here um along Amazon. And we have one spite strip over here connecting it to Southern Oaks, which Um the person who owns

3:08:42us said he would give it to the county so we can go ahead and connect those roads. Uh but So this property came through and our attorneys told us we had to approve it by law. because uh he had everything that he needed. All we had to prove was a site plan. We had five we had a you didn't even have to do that,

3:09:02Commissioner. No. It was appealed to you. The second plan was an administrative approval that was appealed to you. Yeah. And you wanted to overturn it.

3:09:11Yeah. So well not no, I I knew

3:09:14I was following the law. That was that was the issue was whether it was gonna be overturned.

3:09:18I'm following the law. So um So We had a very contentious hearing. We had a group that said we are five thousand five hundred and thirty-five strong of the community in here and they didn't want um to have two hundred and sixty-eight, I think it was, apartments. Here. And um although there is multifamily all around it. Um And so uh but we had to approve it, but two of us voted to approve it and three voted not to approve it. And

3:09:48then they they were personally sued. and um it was brought back to us by one of the ones who voted no realizing that they had to vote yes, And We approved it, but immediately I asked the development attorney if their client would consider selling it to the county. If the residents were willing to buy it. So th I'm just giving you the some of the history. So we had a big meeting here with the leaders of the HOAs from the community and we said you're either going to have apartments. Or

3:10:18you're gonna Or we can do an MSBU and you can buy it for your own personal park. Um And they uh said we want to have the MSBU. So this county did do an MSBU. Um the I think it's a hundred and thirty-five dollars a year for fifteen years for seventeen hundred homes in the community. Um but then we had um a legislator who thought he might be able to get some some state

3:10:49money to buy this. And so for for a couple years He tried that and it was vetoed because this is not state's interest to stop an apartment complex i in here. So um so we have never enacted that MSBU. I've taken took the administrator by here. I've taken Keith here numerous times, say what about a county park? And he's like no it it doesn't work for County Park.

3:11:18One small correction. The MSBU is enacted. Right. You haven't levied any

3:11:22assessments

3:11:23or

3:11:25we just haven't Levied. So um it's been sitting there. It's been sitting there and uh What's

3:11:33it called again?

3:11:34Oak's at Riverside. Right. So um knowing that we have the Gulf Harbors M SBU coming up. and that there are some people in the county Um There's interest in our MSBUs. They all need to be treated the same, just as we today approve you know, did some of the other MSBUs. So um We uh I had some of the uh so I went to talk to

3:12:05I talked to our attorneys, you know, what do we do with this property? And um It was suggested go talk to Senator Fasano, who was involved in this before. So I went to talk to Mike and he's like, Yeah, no, I understand, you know, as long as it's not apartments and that and a lot of the people that spoke When they said when they looked at their lots and made the decision to purchase, this was zoned MF1 and they saw that, but they thought it was gonna be condos. um or something like what's in Heritage Lakes, not

3:12:36apartments. So um He said just I would suggest you talk to the Heritage Lakes H O A So I had um I think five members of the Heritage Lakes H O A And um turns out one of my girlfriends is on the river side HOA. So we had a meeting here and we went over everything that I I just told you and they remembered the meeting. Um I'm not sure if Jessica did, but Ask do you want the MSBU? Or would you like to do that? us to surplus

3:13:06it. And none of them wanted at at that meeting, they did not want To have to um They did not want us to fund or the MSBU. Um So we when a real estate has looked at this property And And um We have come up with a plan to Restrict it through deed restrictions. I was saying rezoning, but that's not right, right? Uh

3:13:36yeah.

3:13:39Yeah, no, we're work we're working on it. Um to deed restrict it so that uh it has to be um someone buying something and take the units down from two Two hundred and twenty eight or thirty eight or forty eight. Um we we made a stab at it at 175. um to see to see where that number got us. And we're at four point two million. So we can We paid three I should say we paid three million for it. So

3:14:10I think we need to at least get three million out if we surplus it. I think there's room to still down down zone down. Am I saying is downzoning not the right word? D restricted to a lesser number?

3:14:22It could be down zoned, it could be deed restricted, it could be downplanned. It

3:14:27Yeah, whatever the right term is.

3:14:34Right. You don't want there.

3:14:35So so we could Get it down. Um just I think we just need to at least get it down to three million dollars what we paid for it. That wouldn't be fair to the taxpayers

3:14:48Um One of the thoughts to use the revenue from this property Is that I'm not gonna say where. We we have an opportunity. To purchase some land For a boat ramp. Uh and it's one of the last piece of properties if not the last, to put in a boat ramp. And it's j it it's you know, if this board chooses 'cause this is general revenue money. But this board chooses we can maybe Um

3:15:19well either way, if we s if we surplus this. If this board chooses. We could Um get that property. If it if the res the residents have told me they may want to go back to the MSBU. And so um even if we go to MSBU, we can still use that revenue if we want to get this property that's the last piece that There are other people looking at it, so I don't think we have a lot of time to waste. Um The question here is

3:15:51We already have an MSBU in place. I don't want to go back to what we did in Gulf Harbors. Uh But I think we need to hear from the From the community and and I don't know if one of the attorneys has a good idea on how to do it. We could have the HOA Leaders come in and Ask M S don what lay out the facts, MSBU or PARC. Um the issue is it's everybody It's gotta be all the seventeen hundred homes

3:16:22which are different communities around the park. So it's it's it's not um

3:16:31Uh I I just wanted to lay that out for you that that's coming. Commissioner Yeah.

3:16:36And I'd I'd like to jump in. I remember that one vol.

3:16:39Yeah.

3:16:41And and I think you're you're on a a good path. I think it's let's go take a look at there may be a couple of different options. I think if they hear something fee simple so people own it, that's good. I think if the heights lower, That's also good. So whatever number it gets you and you may go a couple of different ways, whether it be Town homes are single family homes. Maybe set it for both ways and then whatever the market bears to bring us the three million dollars then. Yeah, let it let her

3:17:08Yeah, one of the things that we tossed around at that HOA meeting was that Um you know what, if if they build a clubhouse and a pool and a tennis court It could be to the developer's advantage to open it up to anyone who lives in this area to become a member, you know, for a fee, and then they get some of the amenities that a normal neighborhood gets these days that is a DRI or C D D, because they have nothing. They have nothing. They don't have a park. But they have in here. And you can see the tracks they

3:17:38have people four wheeling. They have homeless people and they have dumping.

3:17:45Yeah. Um I wasn't sure if I should wait till my turn, but I I am very involved with this community. I have had met with several citizens in that neighborhood. I have gone to the community um the five HOAs two Fridays ago. They would like to move forward with the MSBU and BSS the levies. Um and I was gonna make a motion but I guess should I make it now or later, but um So

3:18:16the citizens are very involved and they have been reaching out to me. So

3:18:21so some want it and some don't. But if hey if you

3:18:26approve a curing, you have to bring it back and

3:18:29does Okay.

3:18:30Yeah, so I've advertised I've tried I've tried tried to Based on conversations, tried to weigh this out. I mean it wouldn't officially be a public hearing. But I think you probably want to do something that looks And tastes and smells like public hearing. Because y otherwise if if Either commissioner decides to go out on and workshop it with them. and bring it back.

3:19:00I think I think they need to

3:19:02If I make my motion that we discussed,

3:19:07just go meet with them. Was

3:19:09it just met with all of them? I did meet with all of them. So I was gonna make a motion today to have a the county administrator bring forward the Oaks at Riverside property back as an agenda item and update the board on moving forward with the MSBU that was set up in two thousand fourteen and have community input.

3:19:29So we'd we would put it I think it's twenty fourteen. Well as long as the rest of the board agrees with that direction, that's fine. I mean it's we'll make a

3:19:38decision when that time comes.

3:19:39But they would like to move forward being levied with the taxes. But I would like to hear everyone's input because I met with the main Five main HOAs.

3:19:48I personally think we need to take the input of the HOA. And leave it there.

3:19:54So the HOAs, the five of them that day, I have a list of all of them that came to the meeting. There was probably twenty of them there. It was the head HOAs and they all, every single one of them that was at that board um board meeting that evening said they were in favor of moving forward with being assessed the levy. Well

3:20:13if if you just want to take public input from the HOA Leaders. Then let's set it up as a workshop. at the end of the agenda and have them come in and And you can talk to them. You can talk to them and and make a decision from there. Okay.

3:20:32Can I share with all of the commissioners I had the list of everyone sign in that night. I don't know if we all want to have that list of everyone that was at that meeting that said they were in favor of the the

3:20:42that's probably a sunshine.

3:20:44I wasn't sure. That's why I'm saying it in public.

3:20:47Here let us hear from him. I don't know if we I don't think we can Mr Steinsteiner really really share information from a meeting that one of us wasn't at. I don't know.

3:20:56Well, it was just the main leaders and HOA

3:21:01I meant materials, but uh I could be wrong.

3:21:03right, so I I think that's a good idea. Let's just have the Even if they sign well just send a letter.

3:21:10Okay. And have them all sign it again.

3:21:16If they are in agreement and don't need a meeting, then we don't need a meeting. Okay. If it's if she's already if it if that's done.

3:21:23Ms. Chairman Mariano.

3:21:24Okay.

3:21:26Um So Commissioner F Fitzpatrick, when you talked with them, did you go over like the options of like either having single family homes, what it might bring for a price? Townhomes, fee simple, what it might bring for a price.

3:21:40They were all not in favor of the townhomes or multifamilies. They s real they wanted to continue with the natural and park natural environment and the park and I did speak to Senator Mike Fassano and I did speak with Commissioner Wells about this project and how um what was the original agreement was and the communities did want to move forward keeping it a natural environment and turning it into a park. So

3:22:06just to be sure this is their park. And they have to pay for all the maintenance. and fencing and anything that happens, it's not a county park.

3:22:15They would want to take ownership of the property after the MSBU was set up. Okay. What do you think, Dan?

3:22:24Well that's where I think we need more input.

3:22:27David, I don't know if your mic is working.

3:22:30They've got hold of that.

3:22:33How long you been with us? I I think you have to hold it while you talk. Can you hear

3:22:40me now?

3:22:41No? Same.

3:22:44The button on the back. Oh There we go.

3:22:48Okay. So the hundred and thirty five dollars that you quoted before for the MSBU is only to pay for the acquisition cost for the land. It does not cover any costs of maintaining the property. And my understanding is that from Keith Wiley is he has no desire to maintain this property or make it a park. So If you're looking to go f move forward with the MSBU for a park You probably would have to add some additional money to that assessment. To cover the maintenance cost of a park.

3:23:19Otherwise it would be in its natural state, in its current natural state. No maintenance.

3:23:23So they would actually be charged a three point two two five Million, which would be divided over the fifteen years, which gives it a hundred and thirty-eight dollars a year. And that moving forward, they have discussed amongst themselves about possible Um Wilderness parks at continue with it being a wilderness park.

3:23:46That's still gonna take some maintenance cost to maintain that.

3:23:49Well they would take over the maintenance. So we can w because I asked them specifically about taking over the maintenance and are they able to afford the maintenance and they're like, no, we want to take over the maintenance.

3:24:01Yeah, I d I don't think the maintenance will be that much. I you know, with seventeen hundred houses, they I think for what we're doing at um Gulf Harbors, it's um ten to fifteen dollars a year per and so even if it's twenty five dollars a year for them Um I don't know if they're you know gonna mow it or whatever. It is in its natural state, it's just the Chasing out The bad stuff that happens there or I don't if they want amenities, they can always come back

3:24:31and add it, right?

3:24:32Right.

3:24:34n you know, I haven't heard from everybody on the diets, but If if everybody is you know, concurs with the district commissioner's approach, we can take that and develop something for some options to bring back to you either in a regular item that has D H OA's present or something.

3:24:54This won't go into effect until the fiscal twenty three budget because you just approved

3:25:01Yeah.

3:25:01So you mean you're done for this fiscal year. So we have effectively twelve months to get it in place and for you to set the rate.

3:25:09Not really. Because the B You have till December thirty first of this year to notify the tax collector and the property appraiser that you're gonna be bringing it up for next October. Okay. Yeah. You you've missed this year.

3:25:26That's

3:25:26clear.

3:25:26Well I'm glad something, you know, whatever it is, I'm glad something's moving forward on this. So

3:25:31thank you.

3:25:32And um what do you think about exploring taking the funds from this and um working towards that the boat ramp purchase? I cannot say where it is because we don't want the price of the land to go up. So um because Keith will bring that to us in a future board meeting as they're negotiating.

3:25:53Bring

3:25:54me have him meet with us.

3:25:55I would like them to bring it forward. Let's bring it

3:25:57back. I

3:25:57think we yeah, I think we

3:25:58bring

3:25:59it back.

3:25:59Okay.

3:26:01And I did talk to Commissioner Weightman he's all in on f uh, whatever his name is. Wells. What's his title?

3:26:09Your praiser?

3:26:10Yeah, him. So he's all on board with whichever way we go with this and and what I wanna do 'cause you know, he's he's all for another boat ramp. Okay, lastly, um So uh as you know I chair the international um whatever we call ourselves the International Economic Development Council at the PEDC. And of course um the uh NACO and um We have a trip coming up where we're taking some local businesses um to Germany and Switzerland and

3:26:41um In no end of September, November, and we're also doing an AM skills workforce um trip alongside that. As you know, I've done seven or eight of those. Um we have plans with that one to bring some people at the state state level from Tallahassee. along uh with us to learn about why to learn about apprenticeships. So Um I will be not here for that first meeting in November. And and

3:27:11apparently this year we have only one meeting in November. Um so Normally we do reorganization at the I think the second meeting in November, but um then talking with the administrator and the county attorney um we see no issues and seeing if you guys don't mind moving reorganization like we did last year to the first meeting in December.

3:27:34Whatever?

3:27:37Okay. That's it.

3:27:40Are you sure?

3:27:41Well I have Fairway Springs in here, but I'm not gonna talk about it.

3:27:47That's our district.

3:27:51Fitzpatrick.