Oakes Park MSBU and Philly Lane committee reports

40:06Okay, now's the time for uh the regular agenda and we're gonna take uh R97 to the other three.

40:16Could I just make a suggestion? What? Well right now we've got people from the riverside that drove all the way over and I think the lady from Philly Lane If Commissioner Fitzpatrick and I could just even touch on those two spots for our committee reports, we'll let the rest of the shelf. I think it'll be good for the folks. If you wouldn't mind with it. For committee reports, for Commissioner Fat Fitzpatrick to talk about Riverside, the the MSU, and I can address Philly Lane real quick. Mm-hmm. And then they would be for these people to make the drive all the way over here, or they could be Appropriate

40:46and then we go back to the rest of the stuff. And then go back to break. We'll go back to just where we don't. We

40:51can do that. That's fine. And I got I got one thing I have to do before break too, because I have somebody here we're gonna take a picture of break, so just so you know, I'll just make sure we sneak that in right before break. Right, okay. If we don't get to the committee.

41:03Okay. We can take care of that. Not a problem. Commission Commissioner uh Fitzpatrick.

41:10Like I was saying before, yes. Everyone on their diet is We had the motion to receive and file. We had four, five,

41:23There were five homeowners associations in this, or four homeowners associations, and one that was not a homeowners association. I just want to confirm I do have, I wanted to make sure I received a letter from each of the homeowners association how they would like to proceed to move forward. We had the Riverside Village Estates Homeowners Association. The president of the board had agreed to move forward with the MSBU. We had Heritage Land. Lakes with the 942 homes spoke today that would like to move forward.

41:54We have Riverside Village Estates number four. Is that separate from the other one? one?

42:02Yeah, of course.

42:04From From William Gillis move to move forward. With the MSBU, we have Riverside Village, which was the attached One hundred and thirty four signatures I believe that were would like to move forward with the M SBU. And I have also met There was about twenty people at the meeting, the Home Rowers Associ Association meeting on August 20th. Everyone there that evening was in favor to move forward

42:35with the MSBU. So

42:40Due to the letters that I have received in favor of with the majority of the communities and the emails and petitions, I would like to move forward with the MSBU.

42:53So I think we need another hearing, don't we?

42:56I don't think so. No, you we've already got it set up.

43:00You've already adopted the ordinance, which means you've had the public hearing. So the the the next if you wish to move forward, the next step you would have to take is um a notification to the property appraiser and the tax collector that this will be on next year's tax bill.

43:19There are um Some people are gonna be caught there there are some things that are not hashed out in that MSBU that I think the administrator wanted to make sure that the homeowners were aware of. Um is that correct? Um as far as future assessments, so you know this all just kind of snowballed before we were ready to send you these letters. So we just want to be sure that you know what you're voting on. Um Before

43:51That I mean the MSBU is set up. The county wants to do Right, what the the home the homeowners want um through their association boards We just want to make sure you know. what the next steps are. And that's what this letter that is coming to you is gonna entail. But if you just wanna go ahead and do the MSBU Um Without knowing that.

44:15Yeah.

44:15Because there's future ramifications financial that we just want to make sure you know about. Yeah,

44:20Mr. Chairman Mariano. Yes, sir. Um I'm with you. I was before my time and I I know you guys agreed on that everything. I still think you need to have this discussion on the west side of the county. Um I've got a number of emails from a number of residents in your communities as well that wanted the opportunity to speak. Um I have people a number of people from the Oaks um Park. Is that correct? The Oaks as well. Um

44:48Okay.

44:53So I've had a number of emails, so I think you need to make sure you bring this back to the west side so you give everybody an opportunity to come and and have that conversation, be a part of that conversation. I don't think you shouldn't take action on the east side for a west side item like this. You know. But

45:07um yeah, so no

45:09no climbing.

45:09Uh and going back to that, I personally don't want to open up the MSBU again. We had that vote. We went through all that heartache

45:18and

45:19craziness and we set up a great plan. Um unfortunately it sat there not being used. Um and it's and we can't do that because that's three million dollars out of general revenue. And I've talked to a number of people in all the communities so they understand um that that's general revenue money that has to be paid back. Um we do other MSBUs, we we approved a bunch this morning, and it's just something that we need to take care of. And I know that some of our legislators tried

45:49to get that money from the state, but the governor vetoed it every time because it's not in the state interest to to to buy that land for the for the the neighborhood. We're going kind of going through the same process in Gulf Harbor. And we're setting up a council that will oversee the administration of our park and what we want in it, say a dog park. um tennis court, whatever it is allowed. Our our rules are a little different because

46:19we have DEP involved. But the maintenance of your park is gonna fall on you know, this this the HOAs are involved in the MSBU. The county will help with that through with the fee like they're doing at the other ones. And we just want to make sure You know that you know that because we didn't go through that when we set up the MSBU. That was really kind of the first one we had done like this. Um But on the other side it it wouldn't be

46:49if i if there was a surplus and the county sold that property and again we're gonna do what what you have you know what you guys want. The so because we are the landowner now and not the developer and we couldn't control what the developer was doing there. If you remember there was a lawsuit and all that. We have the ability to take the numbers down from 285. to much lower uh that would um get us back the three million dollars. We're not in the business of making a

47:19profit. We just need to get that three million dollars back to the general. So it wouldn't be any I just wanted to correct the facts that some that were said here that there would not be Um if There would not be two hundred and eighty-five apartments there. There would be fee simple um which means privately owned residences there, not apartments. So I don't know if we're gonna go down that road. We just want you to know the facts of the other side if there was a surplus. But um I

47:50don't and um Mr. Attorney, yeah, I don't know I mean we don't have to vote on an em a new MSBU. We just have to decide to to enact this one.

48:00You guys should not take action on the east side of the county for something that should be happening on the west side. Give this people an opportunity to come. Yeah, I know. I just want to make sure we're not taking action

48:09today. Mr. Steinsteiner. So the next action that would be necessary is the agreement with the tax collector and the property appraiser to put it on the following year's tax bill and you need to take that action before December thirty first of this year. Right. To get it on the twenty-three.

48:29So so the right thing to do would be bring it back on the west side where this property lies. and hear comments over there before we take an action. Without hearing those folks.

48:41In the meantime you'll get that letter.

48:43The appropriate thing to do is if i i i if the if the board wishes to hear from everybody who's affected by the MSBU, they can. But the but the legal next step is and I believe it's an interlocal agreement, that would be the board action that would have to be taken. to add this to the roles. Um and that would be an item that would either either be on consent or regular and you would hit you would get public comment

49:13at that time as well. At that time, yeah.

49:16Mr. Chairman.

49:16Yes.

49:17Okay.

49:20So the MSB was already voted on. The next step was there was three point two two five million dollars that would have been distributed amongst every household, which was about a hundred and one hundred and thirty-eight dollars. At that point, it was what we would have to work out is would the property be handed over to the homeowners or would the property continue to stay part of Pasco County and we maintain it, but then the fees to maintain

49:50it would be set back on the homeowners.

49:54There's no legal mechanism to turn it. over to the homeowners.

49:58Mr. Chairman, can we bring this back as an agenda item at the next meeting of the West Side so we can actually go through the proper process and have staff put it on the agenda so we can have a discussion that's on the agenda. Mr. Mariano?

50:12Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As someone who who voted on this many years ago, and Commissioner Starkey, I want to I want to commend you when this was going through. It looked like it was gonna be a very difficult situation. What was going to go on in that property? Your leadership at that point brought it to the table to have a better option. Now, having said that. We went through a thorough process. We had all sorts of participation feedback from the people that are sitting in the audience and their friends around it. They spoke very clearly, they wanted the MSPU. Now, why the MSBU

50:43didn't get done, I don't know.

50:44Right.

50:45But it's not something you really kind of once you vote on something, you accept it's going to happen. So it didn't get done. I think very clearly I don't need to go through that whole thing again. We've heard it. They want to buy it. The five letters, Commissioner Fitzpatrick, I think did a great job getting out there in your district with your people and got c very clear feedback. They want to see this happen. Commissioner Starkey, you bring out a very good point. What's gonna happen to it? Well I don't I think the conversation about apartments or anything at this point is even a factor. I think it's now what's gonna happen. When

51:15we put this MSPU forward with the numbers we put in place, what was it expected to pay that back, that can get started right now as soon as we get this interlocal together. In the next year, when they put a park together, they'll have time to talk about it through. We can change that number, tweak that number the following year, like we do with our other MSPUs and figure it from there. But I think for everybody out there for peace of mind, let's bring it forward, bring it back, let's get the interlocutors. Local done and then have it on the text roles for the following year. If it takes another year to design the park, which can take time, you

51:45can work with residents, they can figure out and figure out what they want to get done. We don't have to worry about it. But we can at least give them the peace of mind that know what's going to happen.

51:52No, and and I agree with that. I just said if they're basing their decision on something that's not factual, I just wanted them to to be able to have factual information to be I I

52:01I just don't

52:02see

52:02the issue get clouded though.

52:04I do not want to open up the MSPU. It's done.

52:07No.

52:08So we had that we went through that already? If that's the way we're gonna go, we got one and not start. Just bring it back anyway.

52:15I would like to either make the motion today or make sure on the motion is on the agenda when it comes back. It's the motion to for a notification to the property appraiser and tax collector.

52:25Second. Yeah. So you Mr. Chairman, so you're you want to bring this back on the next meeting to have on the agenda as an item, right? For the West Side. The next meeting on

52:34the West Side. That's

52:35fine. Yeah, do that.

52:36Okay. I got a motion and a second.

52:39Wait, wait, wait. Just uh just for Robert's rules there was was a motion and a second on a motion and then you just made a new motion so I was c

52:48I was I was clarifying that she said.

52:50I'm not sure that's what she said.

52:52To bring it back on the next

52:54remote,

52:54state

52:55your motion. State your motion again.

52:57Well I originally said I would prefer to make the motion today or make sure it comes on the agenda as the motion to notify the property appraiser and the tax collector at the next meeting.

53:09You can't have one or the other in a motion. You have to either pick one or the other.

53:13I don't want to be a nay, so go for it to the next meeting.

53:15Just bring it to the

53:16Due to it being on the West Side and being a West Side concern. I'll do a motion to continue it to the next meeting as an agenda.

53:25It's not a continuance.

53:43Yes.

53:43Right.

53:44The agenda item, however, is to notify the tax collectors and the property parators are that you're moving forward to put this on the tax.

53:53Okay. Okay. So I got a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed like sigh. Motion passed 5-0. All right.

54:04Y'all don't need to say everything more if you don't want. Thank

54:07you.

54:09Okay.

54:10All right, we'll move to R ninety-eight. Uh Mr.

54:14Chairman Mariano Philly Ling real quick. Um I want to have staff get together with um the Lady Me audience as well as well to be a petition leader to get Philly Lane paved, raised up, uh to go forward and a uh I'll get the numbers later on above Marina Lane, but at least to establish that.

54:39Yeah, that's what I just think.

54:43All right, so there's Mike Carbella right there. Please meet him and we'll get f get started. Yeah.

54:49Thank you. That's good for now. Good for now. All right, Mark, welcome.