Temporary moratorium on large-scale data centers
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item number thirteen?
The data
center
Yeah. Here they go, there's my friends.
Yeah. Uh, for my purposes. How many people are in favor of the moratorium?
Okay. Do you speak clearly, please? Pick into the mic.
Yeah, this not the set of screening the whole thing.
Temporary moratorium.
Yeah.
Yeah. What I want to know is Are you here to speak in favor of the temporary moratorium arguments? Right.
Oh yeah.
What I want to do is And in order to expedite the Yeah. Yeah. Anyone who wants to speak on the Marking where you obviously we're gonna give you an opportunity. But if you're going to I already know that you're in favor of it. as are many of us here probably. Okay. Um So I'd like to um Move number 13 to the beginning of what we're
gonna do. Yeah, I was thinking about who
And actually yeah, how do you have a problem?
I
was not going to what they want to try to accomplish it. Yeah, so everybody has an idea where we're going.
Yeah.
Anybody who wants to come up and speak Can but I'll I'll ask you If you do come up at Spring. Please don't say the same thing
for
the person.
I just will be on.
You wanna give us your name and address, please? Let's say. Yeah.
All right, good afternoon, Planning Commission members, Basilius Vocalist, Planning Development and Economic Growth. And we are here to talk about the temporary moratorium on data centers.
This is a proposed ordinance by the Pasco County Board of Commissioners, establishing a temporary moratorium. On the submission and acceptance of applications for data centers. Large scale data centers.
And
develop or um
Oh
sorry, excuse me, I'm I'm off track. I'm usually used to have somebody read this for me. Um in orders by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners establishing a temporary moratorium on the submission and acceptance of applications. Prefer building permits, site plans, development orders, development agreements, special exception uses, conditional uses, recreate zonings, and comprehensive plan amendments. Related to data centers, large-scale data centers, and other large load customers within unincorporated Pasco County. Providing for authority, le legislative findings effect, temporary moratorium imposed. Duration
of temporary moratorium, separability,
and ineffective date.
And I do want to state for the record that additional
public comments were received after the publishing of this agenda. Those comments were submitted to the clerk and sent to board records. Okay. And so as I mentioned, this is the moratorium for the data centers, large-scale data centers and large load customers as defined by Ford of statutes. Just to give some context as to what a moratorium is, it is a temporary pause on all development applications to preserve the status quo. allowing the county to consider implications and impacts of data centers. The moratorium is not a permanent
ban on such uses. The Board of County Commissioners has directed this temporary moratorium to allow the Planning Development and Economic Growth Department the time and opportunity to research land use compatibility of data centers with surrounding uses. Consider the impacts of electricity demand, water consumption, wastewater treatment capacity, and environmental concerns. Research the efficacy of best practices from jurisdictions nationwide. And to consider the appropriateness of data centers in Pasco County, and if necessary, develop any
appropriate definitions or regulations for such uses. In addition to those points, a growing number of local governments have enacted or are in the process of enacting moratoria to allow careful consideration. of this emerging land use challenge. In Florida, the following counties and municipalities have adopted or are in the process of adopting a moratorium. These include citrus, nassaw, hernando. Holmes, Bay, Clay, Jackson, Flagler, Bomb
Coast. the city of Zephyrhills
and now Pasco County.
As a result of
this moratorium, a number of potential revisions to the LB LDC may be needed to regulate data centers within Pasco County. Existing conditions within our code do not currently specify that data centers are in use within any zoning district. Nor are there any standards that would regulate such uses. Additionally, the signing of Senate Bill 484, the state recognized under Florida statute 373.262 that data centers and other large load customers present unique and challenging considerations. And that local jurisdiction
should have control. um
over such regulation.
to provide clarity on the applicability
of the moratorium.
The
county will not accept any applications for data centers and other large loads customers, including the following. Building permits, site plans, development orders and agreements, special exceptions, conditional uses, rezoning, and comprehensive plan amendments. The moratorium will not apply to server rooms or computer rooms that typically house IT or network equipment. that are located within a building or on site and are incidental to the primary use of that building.
Planning
Development and Economic Growth Department recommends that the Planning Commission accept public comment and find the proposed ordinance consistent with the comprehensive plan. And I'm here for questions. Concerns anything. Thank you.
Very good conclusion to make here.
Unfortunately the Scatched is not due. That's great.
Yeah,
isn't actually published yet. You tell us what the definition of the data center is.
Actually. And why you're on there, could you tell us what the difference is between a data center and a large scale data center too, please?
Didn't we just check out
the Yeah, you kind of get a little closer to the time through the thing up.
David
Engel, Planning and Economic Development Director. So Mr. Poole, we can't answer that question. Our analysis has to be comprehensive and thorough. to ensure that we understand what the data center industry is, where it's going, how it affects our community. But I can tell you that just by talking to peers, stakeholders, and other people, there seems to be a defining line on what's a uh a a a a a permissible type of local data center that that's the twenty five twenty megawatt limit. I don't know what
that means. But from what I understand when you're twenty megawatts or less You can use a condenser cooling system that doesn't use as much water. And then it doesn't draw down on the uh enormous power that a hyperscaler center would be. So um we don't have any definitions now and that's why we're asking for the Planning Commission to endorse our temporary moratorium to allow us to do the research and then come back and report to the LPA at an additional at a future date.
Moratorium says Good. The data center is a large scales data center. Find in sections three. Three seven three two oh three. Port Florida statutes. Yeah, something that a large one of the customers is in my market is a six month.
We have what the current language is because when I Seth. the online version of the statutes they had been updated to
I'm clear on what that what that is.
Yes, Mr. Muddy, to answer your questions. Um Under Chapter 2026-65, which is where the Senate bill. After the side wound up there, they did define large load customer to meet a customer with anticipated peak load of 50 megawatts or more. calculated an average load of over a fifteen minute interval at a single location. Additionally, they went through in section 372.203 to say at the data center. means a facility that primarily contains electronic equipment used to
process, store, and transit transmit digital information. which may be a freestanding structure or a facility within a larger structure, which uses environmental control equipment to maintain the proper conditions for the operation of electronic equipment. They further define large-scale data center, meaning a single location with a data center on site that has an anticipated monthly peak load of 50 megawatts or more. Again, calculated the highest average load over a fifteen
minute interval.
Exception Yeah. Providing
Is that good? Bye.
So our goal
here is to exclude server rooms and computer rooms that are typically used as a secondary use, something that's incidental to the primary use. Many buildings have those those types of rooms or or facilities within them, and we're trying to make sure that those aren't encompassed within the moratorium. I understand that. I get that.
concern where is that in this There I think Mr. Moody you're referring to the statement A necessity. That the Board of County Commissioners, if they A proposal for a data center is a central necessity for the county. They could in fact consider it and take action on it. And That statement of necessity is designed for the context of let's say uh the Spiro's project came in. And they needed a a a a small Data center that will service the
biotechnology and the life sciences campus. And that's that that's something that we would consider and bring to the board, but That's the only way we'd bring something in the Port Dorin is Port Rium. That's a different exception though than And then the one for server rooms and computer rooms. Well that that that is uh the server rooms, computer rooms are asking to be exempt from the
moratorium.
Correct.
Yeah.
And I'm not opposed to
it. providing the exception. I think we all recognize we need server rooms and computer rooms to run our digital. Yeah, scope in that. Yeah, like I get closer to mine.
Yes, yeah.
That's just right.
Okay.
The reason I'm asking about definitions and
I'm asking about this discussion. I want to make sure that the language that's in supporting this. That doesn't create a roadmap. For somebody to call something. To get off one of these C A centers if we're trying to do Yeah.
Unless something I guess slide it is. And so we're going to say Were the produce that the programming produces the building clusters. So I think okay. I can run in here and build a giant her house. Put a data center in the back of the warehouse and say, Well, driver is a warehouse.
And then so how can we develop that one? Well first of all, uh there is a determination here that data centers are not data processing centers, which we do allow. Number two, um in the event that there is a a user that has um server space or some type of IT apparatus that's inside the building. Supports directly and solely the use of that building. That would be a participant use. So if you're if you do a
warehouse with a data center. It's not incidental
to the to
the warehouse.
Please.
This turn was nothing up to twenty megawatts.
Well that's he's referencing the state. I'm telling you, you know, you asked um from our standpoint, what do we consider a smaller one versus a large one? We don't have a county definition. I was just telling you that I have been in discussions with some utilities. And some potential users. And it appears to me that they're drawing a distinctive boundary with anything below 20 megawatts. So I think what I'm getting at the left sleep. If they ask me questions, we'll answer
quite well.
What did that be? They may go one.
limitation in this exception. And make sure so somebody can't see it under the Fire.
Yeah. Yes.
Well, what happens? We find that the number that we find acceptable as far as the impacts in the community is 15 megawatts. That's that's why I'm just telling you what I know to date and I'm telling you that I'm Not an expert on it at this point. And we need time to do the research.
Excuse the question. Anyway, that's very like a question.
But it's okay. Yes.
What
is
the process we're going to use? Partner. acquire the data that we need. To determine what regulations we
Implement directly.
I'm back.
So um What we're going to do is we are going to extend ourselves out to industry professionals. We're actually talking to actually people that do data centers just to find out what their business models are, what their needs are. We're speaking to or all utilities. We're going to have an open stakeholder engagement exercise. We're going to speak to our economic projects that are out there and also solicit public. public input. And um We are going to be accumulating a library
of white papers and research that the Board of County Commissioners has. So that we extend that access to them also so they're aware of the the literature and the data. And then we're gonna uh Prepare um through assistance to our county attorney's office. A draft ordinance to regulate and or prohibit data centers here in Pasco County.
that perform all
land development code remember. Yes, sir. I think it's one of the things I checked before seeing. It is. There's not one section of our comprehensive
plan. Let's ask him how. House surprises.
Perhaps some sort of We're we're now working on the new comprehensive plan. Maybe we need to Fifth section into the
comprehensive plan dealing with energy.
Right. And and also in our stakeholders you want to talk to our Water natural resources people. We want to talk to our utilities people. Um and and might I add, uh obviously the um utilities have a stake in the game and they're providing it and now they're required to have an analysis so they don't They don't cause the actual citizen ratepayers a burden of higher electrical bills because of uh data centers. So it's gonna be a very dynamic process, but we are gonna be looking
under every rock that we can.
Thank you. Good.
Eight minutes. I I do have questions. Do we actually have any data
centers currently investor
now? Not not that
we're aware of.
Okay, you mean you mean large scale data centers? Or do you mean the It's if you gave you a definition of data center, state definition of data center is fairly broad. So
broad enough to include Server rooms. That's why You need to be clear when you're much more. So I guess my question will be because of the definition for a large scale data center is fifty megawatts
more, do we have any of those? I'm not aware of any of those.
You don't throw any plans. I mean,
somebody brought up the the concept of Spiro's and obviously the research they're doing there. Do you know if there are any plans for a data center to be Failed there as a future. As part of Spearos. Yeah. I'll let David speak to that again.
D
David
opened the door, so. So I wanna let the uh public and the planning commission know we have no active application for a data center at this time. I I do wanna let you know that I've had Some Brief communication with with some data center users. Um, nothing definitive. There there's no s concept site plan. There's no specific plans to move on anything, just inquiries. And as of late, we've had one inquiry about a data center um to be used uh
potentially located in a employment center business park. But that was just conceptual, there's nothing active right now. In the in case of um Spiro's We have had general conversations with them over the last two years about the need for some type of data center support that's focused on delivering services only to the campus. Thank you. Which
is the chance.
Yeah. Yeah. Anybody?
I I
do have a short question last time right in. Um I want to make sure this is clear. The school district has Circle 10. I want to make sure none of our server
rooms if they're on individual sites, I can't think of any that
are
on
individual sites. uh are not going
to
get automatically hard brain. So those that's something that is going to be part of this exemption that that does not apply. I just want to be sure of that. The purpose of the exemption is to Exclude server rooms. So are you saying you have server rooms that wouldn't C'est trop.
qualify for that under that language.
My question is, internally to a building? Of course, that room is incremental to the primary use. We might
have a
building
that probably is is a circle ring
and is collecting that data.
That's my question.
If it was existing then there would be no issue, but if
Yeah, it would only be an issue if you were building a new Freestanding building. Yeah, only
Its only purpose was
But do we care? Built
the building who's Prime Crypto.
is being a phase center if it only uses one megawatt of electricity and doesn't require millions of gallons of water to cool the surface.
That's that's why
I asked about discount positions this exception.
Mr. Chairman
Mariano Speedos Plague, Development, Economic Growth. Growth. So that would the school facility.
Have people working there?
I mean yeah, so like for example, Pasco
County has an IT building. Yeah that has a lot of equipment in it but also has a lot of people working in it. That would not be considered a data center.
So is individuals working
there as
that struggle.
Mr. Angle mentioned the the distinction. Those are currently separate. Facilities.
Carrie, in the interest of clarity, wouldn't it exist? To
refine the language user to include that so it's clear what what's covered by sucception. But not
I mean the that last bullet on there does describe what I'm talking about. PM thirty five was attached as uh as a as an accompanying document for the discussion on the moratorium and that explains the the distinction between data processing And what? The state is understanding this data centers. And what we need to then do with is Well I'm familiar
with
accountings building that is
is used for that and they have other processes in there that are used by
to
keep
staff and other staff as as remote locations. So I don't necessarily know The school district site is set up on that site.
I know.
falls under that definition. But We have an individual dominating. Use as that.
Yeah.
Thank you. County Ads and I don't know what that determination was made. Before it has only determined between that data factors are not being processed things? But but if it's existing. Yeah. It's not going to be affected by So Pen makes a comment that really This whole s the discussion is centered around resource use, right? So we're all concerned about Using water, using power, making you know creating a a burden on on the rest of the citizens
because of this resource use. So why can't we look at that as Hey, if this is not gonna be using tremendous resources Then it's going to That's all right. It was something that's going to cause a strain, potentially cause a strain on resources. then that would fall on so maybe we sh we need to define that a little bit better in terms of That's really the central that's their crux of the whole thing.
Well i it it is. Those are the potential impacts of data centers. But we wanna have to qu we wanna quantify it, we're gonna stress test it, and that's why we need a temporary return because we wanted to freeze the plane.
to better define what what it is for reading a 'Cause we're going to go and keep the next idea. When you do this basicness, there's also other independent houses requests. What we want to do is banana bias to be added
independent houses
requests.
Well I I believe that our agenda item is very clear. Um there aren't There are data centers that want to be here in Florida and here in Pasco. And they had certain impacts that we're aware of. And it warrants an extensive analysis. So we don't want to have data centers come in. Before we have An ability to extend our land development code of interests to regulate them. Well, I think that's a way to address the concern. I don't No,
it does or
not, but I mean Please. modify this exception just take out the qualifier that it'd be located internal to a building because In the case of the school district, it is incidental to the primary use. I I think the data center is the If we're trying to get a moratorium on it, it's not D the primary use is data center. So If the case in the school district it's surging a primary use of serving a hospital
or serving surgery. Maybe it's around. Modify the exception that we're qualified as the exception about it being Located internal to the building and That may solve
the turf, I don't know. The ballot. Mr. Booney wants to focus on not having things slip through the wire to to be an open yes.
have a moratorium
or something that we don't have
an
objection to.
Only issue of the Ahead Centers As it's
become a focus. Uh was the development of the data. Nobody's had a complaint about data, which is not that I'm aware of. Otherwise had a complaint about the Assenders Powering. Facebook podcasts It's a standard Google search that we are all. You used to know Ing or Yahoo. Those haven't seem to have been a problem. It's with the development of AI. that this excess power and water and the noise
that comes from generating the electricity and Yeah, emissions to go with that. That's where the concerns have arisen. So I want to make sure. Yeah, that is. The next minute, huh? Wants to the next social media company wants to have a campus in Haskell County. that it isn't necessarily a problem where I actually sort of get where you have group. I'm welcome here.
I think I can g we understand what we're trying to
The regulations for exposed large scale data centers associated with AI seem to help on the deal. I want to make sure that the things they're clear. that we're comfortable with still be allowed to plan. queries or parsing the
the
gas stations sequer
it's
Well I'm hearing is the staff has to just come for the setting a megawatt threshold at this time. Yeah, because they just don't have enough information. What I'm saying is if we just strike the grade located internally to a building from this Exception. I think that encompasses What the school district is concerned about 'cause it still has to be a server room or computer
room. housing IT or related network equipment and it's got to be incidental to the primary use in the building or
on the site. That still seems like that cover is like it's right. The covers it still you're still I think those are the majority of the uses that If it sounds like we're concerned about not being subject to the more controls that we'd prohibit a traditional data center that we're used to that haven't caused
issues. But
Well. I think the intent Snap's
intent is just trying to make sure we're not Prohibiting those that are accessory to a primary other use.
Data centers where
the primary use is a data center. Okay, Mr. Mr. Goldsey and may I introduce what I think is the model of data centers from what we've been having initial discussions. Data centers are like master developers, they build a structure. It's a speculative structure. They put in the cooling system, the utilities, and all the things that are necessary. They put in rack space and then they lease the rack space out. So they're basically having a condominium for AI servers. So um In a case of
the school district or um Met Lutolito or you know local business, when they have computer equipment, they're not they're not on that that's it as as as David said, that's accessory to the primary use. They're not in the business of renting out rack space and infrastructure. What about somebody
whose primary business is? So for instance.
Yeah.
That's right. Mm-hmm. That's what I'm trying to make sure. Yes. Clearly
Fine, maybe we'll find out more. Hudson, Hanson,
Art She was about to skip. But it's the very large scale data centers that seem to draw the IRA Nobody seems to have a problem with Young Park Skies, you know, your local website host who is running a very large server population, but they're not using millions of gallons of water. Having their own steel power generators.
Why should D B. Still allow
tech to come to
Haskell County. Well, that's why we have a uh statement of necessity in the body of this uh moratorium in the policy memorand. You allow the board. to look at those special instances that they may arise during the moratorium period and take action as they see fit. Yeah. Yeah but there's
a one
step
one step further if you all came to Haskell County and they had the accessory use. Um
that were their equipment this would allow. If that's all I'm trying to measure, yes.
Because this would not allow us if Okay. The Ada Seth Weightman's their only model was just Body.
the right-of-way.
by which we can allow things which can be beneficial to the community don't get tied up. Because the The definition of data centers.
I I think the intent of the exclusion was to cover what we just talked about. I think what we maybe we missed the marks by saying it had to be located internal to a building. But I think if you exclude that. Phrase and to get covers. which
you're concerned about.
I'll just make one statement for the record, judging by what's sitting out of the audience uh in front of us that when the public process starts. think we should make it as accessible to the public as as possible because there's obviously a tremendous a lot amount of uh concern.
Budget statement for the record.
Okay. Anything else?
Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Okay, is there anybody else here that speaks for the county?
Not asked is there anybody in the Oh What you do? Give us an information. Yeah, they don't you don't think we already have
some information
for questions. Don't want a constant repetition of the same thing. It's coming.
It's not
a recognition.
Have you signed up?
I I signed up for something else, but we
have two individuals signed up to speak on this item. Weapons and then we have twenty individuals signed up to speak on this item and any audience. Fine absolute. Okay.
All right.
If you haven't signed up and you want to speak, you'll probably give me an opportunity so after the giving.
Because I have found
working. It
does
not basically honest. Okay, that's hard that's what I was reading here. If you can uh get the people on WebEx it or you have them on their count.
Right.
The first individual on WebX
is Mr. Ryan Broom.
Yes, good
afternoon. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is Ryan Broom, a Pasco County resident. Um, wanted to share my concerns about the prospect of a data center development in our area. area. Uh first concern.
We need your full name, we need your address, and we need your reason for it.
Sure. Ryan Broom and my address is [address removed].
Okay,
and
if you raise your right hand,
please.
Do you swear affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth self you God?
Yes.
Thank you. Okay,
thank you.
Um, so my first concern is land use. Data centers often occupy large tracts of land that could otherwise be used for a variety of uses, including housing, parks, small businesses, or mixed use. Once these facilities are built, they can shape the character of a community for decades. Secondly, I'm concerned about infrastructure demands. As you guys have discussed, data centers require significant Electrical capacity and in some cases substantial water resources for cooling. Third, I think it's important
to evaluate the economic trade-offs honestly. While data centers can represent large capital investments, they generally employ far fewer people than office campuses or commercial developments of similar size. Additionally, the quality of life, large facilities can introduce lots of noise from their cooling equipment, backup generators, and electrical infrastructure. They can also alter views. And change the visual character of the neighborhoods and rural areas that residents value. Finally, transparency and long-term
planning matter. Residents should have access to clear information about environmental impacts, tax incentives, infrastructure costs, and future expansion plans before major decisions are made. I just want to state I fully oppose any data centers being considered or built in PASCO. I hope that the decision makers will carefully weigh these costs and benefits and ensure that residents are fully informed and consider whether this type of development aligns with the long-term vision for our community. Thank
you again for your time and for listening to my concerns and that of local residents.
Yeah, uh we would have
Just for the record that we we need to know. What your background is in this. Take care of a video.
What's that?
I am
Uh yes, my background. I'm a resident in Pasco County.
I mean do you have any background in this particular field or you're speaking from Any particular knowledge or just your
your it's
not even the same as I
I haven't built any data centers and I don't work in data centers. No, I don't I don't have any uh experience in them, no.
It's important to know for everybody to know.
Sure.
So I appreciate your time and I appreciate your your um making the effort to be here to have us listen to your concerns and I think some of the things mentioned there are concerns we all have. So
thank you very much.
Mr. Chairman on Webix is Jack.
But that's okay. You can't ignore him.
Hi, yes, I'm here.
Okay, Jamie, um
Give give us your uh full name and your address and We need a reach one place.
Yes. So my name is Jamie Thornton, [address removed].
Okay. Yeah that Could you raise your right hand before you end?
Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth, so help you God. Yes, I do. Thank you.
All right.
Thank you. Go ahead.
Okay, so I just I just wanted to say that I agree with the temperature moratorium. However, I am pushing for a permanent ban in Pasco County for any kind of data center. And if it's ever considered, other countries are doing far more superior things than using land. They are putting them underwater since water is such a big resource that these data centers need. So I just wanted to say that. That's what I'm opposed to. Anything on land.
But I do support the temporary moratorium. I just push for a permanent ban.
Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
Yes, you're welcome.
Yeah, but I just legislation and then do it well. Stop. I'm sorry.
allows that we're taking action was it only allows a twelve month. It is a very important word. Right. Can we get talking about the state
legislation or or for the proposed ordinance?
The state legislation.
State legislation doesn't Regulate the length of our moratorium, but There's case law that suggests that you can't do a moratorium longer than twelve months. Well you could feel it maybe once.
However, that if you're asking whether the
state legislation allows you to permeally ban them, the answer is yes. Yeah.
What? Okay, and anybody else online?
There are
no party individuals online. Okay. Does anybody else find that? The first individual signed up
to speak is Marilyn Maryland Holland.
Yeah, I think that's correct. Carolyn
Holleran. Uh-huh. Um eighty-eight fifty-two Kilmer Way in Hudson. And you've been sworn now? I have Okay. Thanks for this opportunity to speak with you. I appreciate it and your time. So um I speak on behalf of the Democratic Environmental Caucus of Florida. I'm the president. Of the Pasco chapter of that organization. We're here because Pasco County is on the front line of climate
change. Rising seas, record heats, worsening storms, and hyperscale data centers are among the largest single source. Of new carbon emissions and heat load on the planet. Approving one here without a climate impact study is a decision this county would feel for generations. Developers are scouting Pasco County now. Adjacent counties have already approved projects tied to a grid that runs on fossil fuels more than
70% of the time. Once the proposal arrives at this meeting terms of what gets built here become much harder to shape. We're not asking for development to be stopped. We're asking the board to answer one question before any permit is issued. What is the carbon cost of what is being built here? And who in Pasco County lives with the climate consequences? Louarde's electrical grid runs on 70% fossil fuels. Every megawatt
hour consumed by a data center in Pasco is overwhelmingly generated by burning natural gas or oil, a single hyperscale. The facility drawing 100 megawatts continuously generates roughly 400,000 metric tons of carbon dioxide per year, equivalent to putting 85,000 additional cars on Florida roads permanently every year the facility operates. Carbon load compounds the climate risks Pasco already
faces, where coastal and low-lying county more emissions mean more intense storms. Higher storm surge, faster sea level rise, and larger heat events all landing here on these residents on this infrastructure. And the heat is not only in the atmosphere. Data centers exhaust industrial waste heat directly into the surrounding environment. measurably raising ambient temperatures in nearby neighborhoods and accelerating the urban heat island effect in
a county that are some of the highest heat-related illnesses. In this day. There's a path forward that does not require choosing between climate and development. require renewable energy sourcing as a permit condition. Other states do it. And Florida statute does not prohibit it. Um We ask three things. First, require a full greenhouse gas planning and climate impact assessment. Second mandate renewable
energy sourcing. And third, require annual public carbon recording so residents know what this board approved. And what it costs the client. Yeah, I made it in three
minutes. Thank you very much.
Share the next individual who wants to store
Hi, good afternoon everyone. My name is I live at [address removed].
And I speak on behalf of the Democratic Environmental College Supporter, Pasco County Chapter. I am the Vice President. We are here because when industrial facilities of this scale move into a county, they do not land wealthy neighbourhoods. They land the bears who have the least power to stop. and with least resources to supply for the consequences. The data set developments are scaling as we're coming now. And we're not asking to stop development. We're asking the board to answer
one question before any permanent issue, which Pasco County communities will bear the noise, the heat, the diesel exhaust, the water draw, and the infrastructure strain. And do they also come? High-scale data centers aside might develop using three criteria trade, sorry, cheap land, riven access, and water availability. These conditions of merch will soften in lower income and rural communities, places with less organized political opposition,
lower property values, and local governments under economic pressure to group. With anything that arises with a tax revenue number attached. These facilities bring diesel generators lost during how to ship and these facilities generators regularly. They bring continuous flow frequency to waves for clean equipment that runs twenty-four-seven. They draw water from the shared aquaper, and they generate twenty to fifty permanent jobs from a facility that may Occupy hundreds of acres
and operate for decades. The profits flow out of the county. The pollution, the noise, the water depletion, and the infrastructure costs. Stay, concentrating the neighborhoods that were already the most vulnerable. That's the definition of environmental justice. Floral law does not require an environmental justice analysis before land use group. This is one hand can't reply well in any way. No expansion prevents it, no reaction replies to it. It is an act of
governance and it is overdue. In April, Hulk County approved a 2.6 billion, 4.4 million square foot hyperscale campus in 4D, a local community of 5,300 people, majority working class with limited capacity to monitor working force was approved. No environmental development green, no community health baseline, relations to land. For me it is the pattern, not the exception. As a crown is a community that
fits the same profile, and this board has the authority to make sure they are not next. We are asking for three things. First require a community help How's Dan Argument was just screaming before any day said refermin vote? Identify which tests the country population are within the amp agreements and with the cumulative rules that I already carry. Second, mandate a mining binding community benefit agreement as a condition of approval. Third hole, which
is what community meeting in the affected neighborhood votes. Thank you.
Thank you. Everyone's new time is a big show. It's
I maybe straight up simply. It's all good. Okay.
Want everybody to have Time to speak to us to bring something new. Thank you. That's very
Secretary, the next individual was David Hammond. Okay.
Good afternoon. My name's David Hammond. I live at
[address removed].
Better? Yeah. I live at [address removed]. Thank you for it. I have been. Data centers have become the backbone of a digital economy. Nobody wants them, but everyone uses them, whether they know it or not, whether they want to or not. The concern can no longer be about sh stopping their development. The concern must now be about managing their growth where we want them. and how we want them to operate. With
a firm set of regulations that limit their impact. All the surrounding community, wherever they like. The primary issues that concern Pascoal residents are very well known. excessive power and water consumption. Noise, air, water, and thermal pollution. poor site aesthetics, and few employment opportunities. So few in fact that the ratio of employed workers to total site size or a data center is among the lowest. Of any commercial or industrial lands. Even
an automated warehouse has better employment ratio on the order of 15 or 40 times higher. Lesser known are good techniques to mitigate these issues. This is because good techniques are in short supply. However, they do exist and it's up to us to ensure developers avail themselves of them. You want to site a data center in Pasco County, these are the table stakes. The county would provide an appropriate industrial site where no one lives and allow it to be built there. This site would provide hundreds
of acres of mature trees for noise containment. They'll augment the tree buffer with burns and other noise abandonment technologies. Tell them the power grid is off limits and they are responsible for developing their own clean power. Tell them the aquifer is off-limits and that they can either use immersion cooling technology, no water, low power. Or they can put and pull and desalinate water from the gulf. Tell them they must install a ground
level heat exchange to prevent the uh development of a heat island around the south. Lo round the sight. When complete, the site must not present a sterile landscape. Pasco County has valuable resources a data center developer wants access to. Way it. Our water. This means that the county holds the cards. We dictate what the terms of doing business in Hasco County are if you want to build and operate a data center here. These are multi-billion dollar corporations. Surely
they are capable of meeting the demands of the residents who don't want their power rates to go up, who don't want the quality and quantity of the water coming out of the ocper to go down, and who don't want the quiet pastoral character of their countryside to be fouled and potentially ruined by a massive industrial complex. Remember, gentlemen. You work for us. You don't work for the developers of the data center. The
resident
We are coming on you to make the correct choices that ensure our needs are met. Thank you for your time. Yeah, yeah.
Three thanks. Next in the middle is ball technically perhaps. Yep.
Uh good morning gentlemen. My name is Walter McVeigh and it's one of the two morning on Mariano Land in Port
Michigan. And for And then swallowing walking.
Um it appears that The second. Bye. people have already been aided and it's either paid They don't want it a data center or B, they want it under very strict limited controls. And What I had not heard, I've heard it alluded to, the lady that called in on the phone, the second one, alluded to it, but she didn't elaborate. Let me elaborate real quickly. A data center could solve all of these problems. if it
was built under water. Oh my god. China is currently doing that. Jack Mariano is currently doing that. Why underwater? Well, number one, it solves Pasco County, as you well know, was running short of water. Well before we had this massive influx of people moving from all over the country here. Now it's it's exacerbated that problem to the point that it's ridiculous. And it's only getting worse. We
don't need More or water use. If you Put building data sound like China and Jeff Dalos and other People have started to do. You're building underwater. Salt water, the salinity of salt water makes it absorb heat much more efficiently than freshwater. We happen to have a big body software here
over the
Gulf of America, right in that side. Okay, we can build it there, we won't be tapping into our water, we won't be tapping into our land use that several people. Component is out.
I I think we're at the point now, we already know there's a problem. Now it's the point of let's what are we gonna do to solve the problem? That is vital alternative and I think whoever's looking into building this should look strongly. into this direction. For building the data center. Thank you. No
alternatives.
What's that?
Yeah, little thing. The next individual is Christy Zimmer.
Uh
huh. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I have another concern. Have you seen the most recent headlines? It says,
If you speak her address,
Christy Semmer addresses on record. Nvidia will pay your electricity. 3615 remote latest morning. I only have 3% left on my phone if I'm going to get this in 2% now. The NVIDIA will pay your electric bill if you host an AI server at your home. The proposed program would spread AI computing across residential properties rather than massive server farms. A new distributed computing project powered by NVIDIA aims to turn residential properties into
many, mini AI hubs. Come on. Stretch that a whole lot further and let's not allow that either. When you're doing your research, I beg you, please look at those micro units as well. Consider doing a citizen advisory committee with people across the county while you're doing this research so that you can get citizens input and information from them as to how they feel about this process as it moves forward. Um I have another big concern in No disrespect, sir, at
all. But who in Pasco County has the expertise to review the concerns with a high level of scientific knowledge to determine what is and isn't safe? Please make sure we get the right appropriate people in this process as we research this. And please take into concern the micro units that this company is actually offering property owners. We can't allow that. We've got to put something in there
to stop that. Thank you.
The next individual is Chris Chris Shaver.
Hi, my name is Chris Shaver. I
live at [address removed].
Thank you for hearing us out. My question is why? Why is this still even available or on the ballot or into consideration? We have nature companies coming down here all the time, building these huge warehouses that are supposed to be public lines. How do we know what's going to go on inside of those facilities? Do we have a monitor at every single one to find out how much data they're using, what they're putting in, when they're putting it in, what's
the water use? I don't think so. It sadness to me as long as I've been down here to watch the whole area turn into one big suburb. Why are you doing this? This is your job. Listen to the people. They're telling you right now, no, don't do it. Why isn't it a temporary? Why isn't it a permanent?
One. Thank you.
Yeah. David Apple. Oh sorry, David Apple.
Good afternoon. My name's David Haplin. I'm a Pasco resident at [address removed]. I'm here to ask you. Right now, uh we have and I hear everybody talking. About the strain on the The water company, the electric company. Well where where where is the regulations? That are gonna contain these electric company and the water company. Instead of putting a cost on us. Because
I mean the the uh electric companies, I mean they're they're They can charge whatever they want right now. And that that is my big concern. And then you talk about putting it in the water. We don't even know the effects of putting it in water yet. And yet we have a core refug here. That that produces algae that is poisonous. And it's deteriorating. So I mean We need we need time to study this. And that's why
I support. The more material. Let's let's pause. Let's put a pause on this. Let's not jump to conclusions. And let's get the right answers in here. Thank you.
Yes. Can you say you're sworn in and restate your address? I was sworn in. Okay. Can you restate your address? Oh it's [address removed]. More thank you. And I'm retired, disabled
veteran. Yeah,
The next individual is more of screen.
I'm gonna pass because questions were asked about it.
Square.
When the Part of Same discovery.
I've been doing a lot of research and a lot of homework. Hi, my name is Cindy Scarta. I've been sworn in. I'm from [address removed]. I'm speaking as a concerned citizen, not only for my county of Pasco, but the whole state of Florida actually. Uh I'm in favor of the moratorium. I think it should be a permanent moratorium given our fragile water supply. And our unique geological and environmental characteristics. We are built on
limestone, very porous. Our aquifer is already under massive stress because of our population growth. The Tampa Bay region is in its worst drought in 50 years. It's enduring one of the most the worst water supply care uh shortages in 50 years, with officials warning of severe restrictions and a heavy reliance on groundwater and desalinating seawater. Um right now Pasco County is under a phase three modified order.
shortage order. So I'm being asked to not water my lawn, not wash my car, turn off the water while I'm brushing my teeth. But we are going to consider massive data centers that consume huge amounts of our precious Water. Um I just believe that the Does do we really need more data centers in Florida? We have 120 of them. With four more coming, two more right there over in um Hope County. So is there really
a need? Uh I think given our unique um aquifer system. that we we should really Um Do a full scale moratorium. You just said that the law doesn't prevent you from doing that, that you could have a permanent ban. I've researched and I found that Pasco County's uh Floridian aquifere is not considered suitable for large-scale data center operations because of its fragile hydrogeology, limited freshwater yield,
and vulnerability to overpumping. We're seeing sinkholds, uh other things like that. Also, there are other community concerns, noise, heat. А натолі електричні, ватер. But um all those other concerns as far as massive land use. So I am in favor of the moratorium. I believe we should have a permanent moratorium. Floor is unique. You know, we have a different type of water system here. We have a different kind of limestone
geology. And I think that should very much be put into consideration. So thank you very much for taking the time and allowing me to speak today. And I'm glad you're here representing your citizenry and listening to the people of your community that elect you into office. So
thank you. Green. Yeah.
And like some individual individuals, Jans, Davis.
And
She's here.
Oh we just done. Yeah. And the next individual being here in two marks of sons.
Okay. My
name is Judith Johnson. I live at um [address removed]. I'm just a concerned citizen. I'm not a politician, a lawyer, anything else, but First of all, there's been all this new development that's been going up here in Dade City. And can you promise these people fresh water? Can you promise them that their electricity costs are not going to rise? And who's going to take care of the already existing
power structures that are outdated, built in the early 1900s? They're supposed to have taken. care of these massive data centers. I just don't understand how it can be. But then also we're we've no one's talked about the actual health issues that we're going to face. And the sound levels alone, you can feel them as well as hear them. And it's been reported a solid mile in every direction. People are kept
awake, stress, cognitive issues, inflammation of the brain, primary stress hormones, the cortisol levels are rising. These are all Show shown that these are happening. Also, uh AI contributes to PSA, which has forever. chemicals forever in our bodies. We cannot get rid of them. They are known to harm our kidneys, our liver, and our blood.
And so how uh is Pasco County ready to face those health conditions of this what's going to happen to all of us through our health. And also there's climate change, global warming, droughts. And there's, you know, this is just the beginning. So are these people that want to move to our community are who would want to move here if all those things are here? I mean, it's it's their developers, are they gonna be happy that no one's moving
into these new developments that, you know, you know, what It doesn't make any sense to me. They also show that livestock is dying. Bees are dying. If they cannot be pollinating the food, we die. If we don't have clean water, we die. And chickens are laying eggs. Well if we don't it's just Birds are dying, blood but flies are missing. I mean, it's just insanity.
So, and who profits? The billionaires? I mean, do we need more billionaires making more of our money and taking our water to the water?
Okay, then
So anyway, I believe that
I ask you kindly not to get quiet and make noise. We are still speaking.
You're only asked to leave if you keep it
up. We deserve life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And we all stood up and took an oath. Liberty and justice for all. Thank you. I think it's
I think it's the connect. Okay. I need that steward.
Anita Stewart? Thank you. Okay. She's traveling.
And either you've been torn. Yes. You might want to pull that mic down there.
And I live at [address removed]. And I did speak at the County Commission meeting this morning, so I don't want to repeat all of that since it's on record. But I did want to add a few things and I wanted to base them on
Center though,
because of all of the concerns that have been raised. But it also concerns me if the key word in the ex exceptions is Primary. So to your point, Mr. Moody, if somebody opens up an office building and says we're going to use two of the floors out of the five or four or three. And that's gonna be a a server farm, but it's not the primary we're releasing out office space, something to that effect. They're still circumventing the rules. If
it's supporting the primary purpose of that business or that building, then it's a little bit different. So I'm just thinking out loud, you guys are the engineers. I'm not an engineer. Um hopefully we can clarify that exemption portion just a little bit to protect Pasco. Um but again. Data centers, anything with a mega in front of it. They don't belong in the state of Florida. And I'll leave it at that. Thank you.
Yeah, you
I think that's what Dave referred to as well with incidental to the use of the problem. property. So it's I think that it's covered with that instilled use. Um But that means it's double through the primary primary.
She's like a smart tonight.
Julie Barton
here [address removed] Ms. Foreman and I would like to share that um the technology is just not ready yet to do this um Pasco ME or anywhere in Florida. And I would propose extending the recording after this year to five years. And five
years we'll have a lot more advanced technology available. And we have a lot of war finds backing it in the Scandinavian countries. They actually use a theme. up to the data centers to promote community organs and then feed people. But like the former Speaker Chair, Florida is very popular not only suffered in droughts. The weird chat comes. Many years may be also suffered
many, many campus fires. And we just can't. Sustain any more heat. Don't stay from one place. Um, people spoke about conditions and public health. But the conditions tend to be carried everywhere with the winds and don't don't just play public. uh health at one community but affect the public health in any communities. Or the Bay Hills incinerator is about in a
year is going to need extreme maintenance. Many people don't know about this, but this is going to make that maintenance. This is going to make the maintenance of the Shady Hills incinerator that's going to fall apart and the incinerators have been closed down when they get to the stage of their their life and Haskell. So we have enough problems with without you know bringing technology that is not going to be sustainable. If we bring it in now, even a year, which is
a blink of an eye, it will destroy Pasco County. It will it will totally destroy the independence, independence uh researchers and uh not people that are We have the same people working on the same situations. We have we need specialists in these areas. And um we all need to be involved. Everybody here needs to be made aware of the public hearing on this because we don't want this as one public hearing and then it goes away.
We all want to continue to be involved on this issue. So again Um the moratorium needs to be extended for five years and we we definitely um You know, don't want to go from no megadata centers to like, oh, okay, well, a year from now we're gonna allow a lot of mini data centers. We don't want to be behind spoke in the technology, but we don't we want to wait until it's better because
data centers, when they're done correctly, can be a benefit to communities. Um, but right here, right now, Pasco County it's not the time of the place and one year it's not the time of the place and five years. Thank
you.
Thank you.
And we're we're beginning to cover
a lot of the same topics. We look a lot of the same people. So Um the easy swing they come up if you're gonna speak, try to bring something new.
And the next individual is Richard Sred.
Hear me? Yes. Yes. Okay, Richard Smith, uh [address removed],
[address removed]. Um I have Ms. Morgan. Um display city?
No, I'm not D City. you should just you just gave the street not the name you can store. Oh I'm sorry, I'm actually [address removed]. I I reside I I live here, I own it in at [address removed]. Um But so is there Broad concerns. Um so I want to just tell
That's created for helpful. A couple things that all the neighborhoods might like like daycare, standards, nursing homes.
Yeah, those
kinds of things. Um So we were all kind of surprised when the new tenant that was gonna be coming in there. under the kind of general blanket. Uh nursing home. Uh so they could say that. So The the
reason I say that is because, you
know,
the way this works is that there's There's
broad classifications that they'll just fall into.
Okay.
Discussed and those classifications have to be circumvenants. So if it's type X. It has certain
environmental restrictions to the type of light and as
I work in architecture. I'm categories categorize the buildings all the time. Um Yeah. If I look at the forward building code, I don't know.
Easier. Can any of you speak to what that would fall under?
We can smart. Yeah.
Yeah, so then we can figure out. How to comment the code so we don't have to go. on that floor building people here, but I understand your concern. Probably what you have is the
Gates enter technology has evolved faster than the Credit.
But that's the reason for the record to host. Yeah, it's fantastic. I agree with that. Um And I just want to add Um you know. Regardless of what we say we're classifying something as what often happens Same. Fine.
Um The developers come in and they want to have the minimized They want to commit.
It
discounted. Right. And
that
happens all the time. And when I Work with several counties because we work on
The county. You know, maybe think about it working once it's not there. I get a different answer when I work. Even you know this. City to city, right? Not not even just in the county, right? Um You get different answers. And you know, various counties are all different. So even when we have clear
um Clear definition, sorry. That means I'm gonna get off. Yeah, that's your time. Oh okay. Well. I would just hope that we would be very, very cautious with what's at stake. I think. The
next individual's uh community.
Hello. Good afternoon,
D Bacon.
Hi,
it's important. I love that [address removed]. And I second and concur with a lot of what's been said today, especially the comments by the Democratic Environmental Club, because I thought they brought up really good points on things that we could do to mitigate concerns. And so the what I would like request that you all keep it in mind as you navigate this issue is the question, at what cost? So when we hear about a new development opportunity of any type, one of the questions typically asked first
is how much revenue will that generate? But I would suggest that the more important question that we should be asking is at what cost? If a data center wants to come to Pasco County and consume our land, our power capacity, our infrastructure, residents deserve to know. what we're getting in return and what are we giving up for that.
Will these facilities generate revenue likely? Yes. But at what cost do our water resources? that what cost to the electrical grid and the power capacity to residents power bills to climate change impacts to infrastructure and to quality of life all topics that have been brought up. But potentially most importantly. What is the actual benefit to Tabasco County residents once all of those costs are accounted for? Because revenue alone. should not be the measure of success. On
every development project, data centers or otherwise, we need to be asking whether the value created exceeds the cost to our residents. And we should also be asking what problems are we trying to solve by bringing in these types of centers? If the goal is jobs or economic diversification or revenue generation, is a data center the best use of that land and those resources? Because every acre that we dedicate It is an anchor that we can't use for
other projects that might provide greater long-term benefits. It's also an acre that is no longer green space, supporting wildlife or natural flood mitigation. For environmental resources that maintain our quality of life. Because once that land is developed, those Benefits are lost forever. And that opportunity cost. deserves careful consideration before we move forward. So I do support the proposed moratorium. However, I would also encourage the county to view this not just as
a one-year countdown, but as a work plan, like has been discussed. It should produce results. Before it expires, the county should complete this comprehensive analysis of all of these impacts and the benefits that it could possibly bring, but also the drawbacks to our community and whether maybe there's a better way to do it. People have mentioned water or households, you know, the technology is advancing so quickly. There may be better ways to do this without jeopardizing our land for data centers now. And it's after a year. If we can't
ensure that Pasco residents and our land are protected and prioritized and benefit from these projects, then we have no business approving projects that could impact Pasco County for decades to go. Thank you. Yeah, so
Not age.
My name is Don Henriks. My
address is [address removed]. Um I Just moved here about a year and a half ago and I'm very honored to be able to live in a rural area. The extreme amount of wildlife. It's very beautiful, lots of livestock and farms. And one thing that has not really been addressed overly much is how much the impact is going to be on the actual wildlife and the livestock that is here. And um The pollution, the water, what
about the water that's being put back in? Where is that going? I've done a lot of research on reading about what other communities that have been impacted and they say the water that is coming back out of the data centers is very polluted and brown. not able to be uh used and um people are getting sick from it and how does that impact like we have tons of lakes and and waterways and stuff like where is that is that water gonna be impacted in
that And um also um Clearly, because we have such a rural area, so many people are on wells. And one thing that people have said that they were living in rural areas or wells completely dry up. So what what happens to all these farms and the livestock areas and people that live on the land. When that water dries up, they have no access to water whatsoever because their wells are dried up. And then the water that does get replaced is contaminated. So that is something that has to be
really addressed. And of course, everybody's already mentioning the drought. Once the water is gone, it just doesn't flow back in. Um and also one thing that has been mentioned but really needs to be considered because that is what everybody said. The property values completely tank. The property values of all the areas that are surrounding. to just go down. So and one thing I would like to say is that You guys were talking about a limit on the kilowatts. of of of units and people are saying, well, what about putting like a 20
kilowatt um limit on it? Well, what happens when a company comes in and say, okay, we're gonna skirt this issue and we'll build more than one unit. you know, in order to get below that limit. Is that going to be something that needs to be worded and how do we how do we work around that? So companies aren't going in and buying up multiple pieces of property and putting in multiple permits in order to get what they want. Um long term. Um And then also I I have noticed that there are some warehouses around here that are not being utilized. They're completely
empty. Uh there's never any cars. They're just like gigantic units that have they're not being used for anything. Are those already units that could possibly be used for something and we don't know about it? So uh you know, and can they You know, can they just be using it as soon as the moratorium is lifted? Can they just go in and just do it? And and and and one last thing is when the moratorium that we're putting talking about a moratorium, but during that year. Could companies be going
in and just planning, using that year to plan? And then as soon as it's over, they just go in and put in the permits. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you.
I just want to address the question. The qu the
moratorium is on building permits as well. So If a if a building is vacant. Then they would not be able to get a building permit. Or a data center either. So it would apply to it would apply to a major million as well.
B.
Yeah. If you have an existing warehouse Okay, what stops somebody from moving computers? I don't need a building permit to put computer servers in a building. You do for the electrical
service. My
point, thank you, you just made my
point.
You do
for the electrical service. And that was the point in describing to use the reangle about The power consumption. What's in a shaker that brought them? Point uh earlier too. Um I would use it against this in warehouse. And the only way you're going to catch them is by limiting the amount of electrical service you can put into that building.
You don't come in and apply for a building permit for a data center, but you do come in and say, I want a ten thousand ampere electric surface. That's the way you need to catch these things.
I can haul as many computers as I want into my garage and there's nothing any solving law is going to do anything about it. You can't see it, you can't smell it, you can't hear it, you can't taste it. But where you can catch me. is when I come in and I say I need Five thousand eight.
It's more than just building out the services, also the build out of the power within the building. So you have to every outlet, every Access point in that service, all of that electrical infrastructure has to get permanent as well. And that's where we can see whether or not it's being used for. a data center where it's ten thousand amps of servers being used for I make it sound for some extra partless. I can submit an electrical plan and I don't have to show what's being plugged into the outlet.
that a data centers require very specific electrical infrastructure
within
the
building to be able to. So in other words you can sleep in.
And using an engineer.
I don't think we'll need Let me just
hit a jazz here so it don't be long on. There you go. Yeah, the whole exercise here is Right. you gather information. Thanks away in Sparrow. Well I want to either approve or disapprove. Yeah, um uh one of these tenants. So We're we're not making a decision about today's c we want to have a moratorium. To give us an opportunity for the next twelve months or whatever period it might be. Find
out. I betcha there's probably Nobody in this room. It really understands. What what these data centers are and new and What does the game both? I so let's find out together what they can do. And what we need to do. And what dangers there are. and come up with practical solutions. Rather than argue about them up here. I don't think one little on one plane or the other point 'cause we don't. There's so many things we don't know. Uh data
centers. And we need Like this. to bring up ideas. And that's what we're here for. We're not here to argue about whether we're gonna approve one tomorrow or not, because we're not gonna We need the information. That's all of them. What I'm getting at is all main users. Proposed moratorium on the table. I want to make certain. that no one can use the exception.
That's in the proposed moratorium. to backdoor data center. Right.
Yeah,
those those are some of the things that we need to make sure we take them because we'll talk about durational rescue ordinance. What's the primary use? And what's an int an incidental use? So let's just say for I'm a cryptocurrency program. All right. And I have a big building and in the front part of that building I run my crypto Currency brokerage.
And it's an adult to my crypto business. Those are the things we meant at that time. I'm getting at
Those are the things we don't have access to work from kind of what we're trying to get. Get to the point where we look admin so we can run in an ordinance mix. That's I mean where's everybody up here is a resident of Pasco County. We have the same concerns and the same desires. That most of you have. Why the hash plate for them? I don't want to be announced by noise. We wanna wanna make sure we aren't drinking water. We wanna be able to flush the toilet. We're
all we're in all the same boat. Well. This is not an adversarial situation. This is um Information you have a thing. Opportunity. Yeah, we're trying to give You give the opportunity, you give us information and ask the opportunity, etc. And then we'll be able to go on to the next step. You're not going to be excluded from this process. Throughout the next twelve months. Mr. Munich, I I don't necessarily have a problem with including
a Have one of incidental uses megawatts of hour. I still know what I don't know.
Resistant follows.
Backwards discussion. I'd express a reservation of a perception that's in the in the proposed language I want to make sure that When we come back and consider that that someone can't Kind of bubbles and Creative explanations for what they're doing. Two. or a data center in here. Believe me when there's enough money on the line, they'll come up with all the creative geniuses in the world to try to figure out how to do that. It's a
legitimate concern. I still know
what
to
Have the incidental. I
mean Obviously the school district is not gonna be doing a Twenty megawatt server. Twenty mega fonts, but I don't know. With the Hopeful if there was something from the power company that could Give us some insight on. A megawatt, a gigawatt. I I don't care. And I think someone from staff set up earlier. Because there was a Okay. The determination
made that a Data processing center is not the same as a data center. So, my question is, and maybe from a zoning standpoint, we don't have a
definition of a data center, which means that it's not permitted in any of our zoning categories. So, my question. Really leave to you. was you're you were saying if somebody's going in there and putting
a a data center in somewhere, well that would be a violation of the code, the zoning code. Because that's
not permitted in any zoning district.
Any point that
Because there's no law that gets you.
Oh I think this is what you The exception is saying what's it's allowed is the primary use.
Primary use. It is is in permitted use. Whatever the the Say it's say it's a restaurant. Or an office building. That's the allowed use in the zoning district. This server ring or Computer room and accessory use to the
allowing use in the zoning district. It it just happens to fall within the definition the state definition of a data center because that state definition is so broad. That's why staff had to put that exception in there. Because it technically meets the state definition of a data center. But from a zoning perspective. Staff's looking at it is it's allowed the the primary use is what's allowed under the zoning district.
Well.
We're allowing this state-defined data center.
as an accessory use to that primary
use. So in your case, the the the permanent use is a school.
You're you we're allowing your quote data center because it's an accessory use to your school.
It happens to be it just happens to be the state definition of a data center. That's the problem. That's why we had to put
that exclusion in there.
Bill was scrolling.
Okay. And I think I'm on those charts to school. And then I still
do
With Surband that uses mega loss. I
have relationship.
I'm not arguing that point.
what what is it what is it what's what I thought.
I would argue at some point it ceases to become an accessory use for an incidental use to the school. I mean Obviously it's up, I would argue 3 and 50 megawatts, they're probably not just serving the school, correct?
Because the other issue is
at that point, he's probably selling that server space to
somebody else. The other issue is the more we are use semantics, the longer the moratorium does not take effect. So we we have to get something in place to be able to put a hole in this so we have some research. But I I you made your point.
I I don't have a problem with putting a cap on The megawatts for an incidental 'Cause that I think at some point it it's easy to become an incidental or accessory use. And I agree with you. I just don't know where
I don't know where to put that cap.
Yeah, few. Understand the Version C
Temporary moratorium. All right, in fine. A copy of easy state can choose. State is going to be compiling data and conducting study. I would tell you that the trip moratorium were to go into effect today. That it would expire what the state actually is. for the due date for the state studies. So I think that our proposed moratorium needs to align with state state
and collection efforts. I think that was July one, twenty twenty seven.
Twelve minutes.
Give you the knee. It's obviously quite viewed, I guess. I don't know.
That's what the eight point. Well the uh comprehensive plan And then create great locations.
I get your point, we also have the the problem is that If you don't get your moratorium in effect, then a mature problem is that you'll think of an application.
what you make.
Of your wire in what is a case vendor and
what is not a case vendor and what's a primary use and what's expensive use. I think what you should be regulating, but things that are details. that are created by Whatever we're calling.
Excellent. Excessive map rate usage they becomes burned to the cost of improvement electricity rates go up, expensive emissions, expensive points, maybe the whole sort of thing that we should be regulating to stop this. Not necessarily. correct that someone someone has
That was kind of my point when I was finishing. Really crux of the argument. That's the issue that everyone has with this the impact from natural resources, electric bills. Noise, uh impact on the market, so It may be easier to regulate that.
I don't disagree with with you, you, but but the the problem problem is is is knowing what is excessive is the whole purpose of Study. It's just just Scott doesn't know what what's a chicken and the egg. Scott doesn't know what's excessive yet, Mr. Prol. Yeah, and that's exactly what I was pointing trying to make is that we can Go on forever about well shares we just go with state definitions. The state has for a large base center of fifty Fifty megawatts. Let me The state in that same
statue. Ordered the water management districts not to issue consumptive use permits if the water withdrawal was going to Sixty a hundred thousand gallons per day.
Can you debate that later so that we can have our
Technical guides given a statute as to what these things are. Please let me I let me let me back up so It's a point. The description though was Eliminate what is considered accessory. That was the that was the point of this. So You're relying on a state definition of what is a large-scale data center. I that I don't think that there's any world where that's accessory. So If you're gonna put a cap on it, I'd rather you'd be talking more like what Mr.
Engle talked about, which is I think you have a 20 megapoller. or but I mean I'm not supposed to make it a twenty megawatt.
Yeah. Yeah. The thought process here is that this was intended to Applied in computer closets. That was the original intent. Is and so or maybe the school board's you know, server room that that's in the back. behind the building. That's the that was the point of this exception. Whatever that megawatt is, we need to figure out what that is, but that was the global of this. It wasn't too for a 50 megawatt. Large scale data center. Stay
in. What's the name? Yeah. You know, just aware of anything. Okay, it's not very smart.
Yeah. Can you give us some thoughts on A megawatt that we could use to cap the accessory. Lasting Scout, not members of the public, police.
So I'd like
to move that we continue the public comment and then we can continue having
a comment.
Or can you think about it while we take public comment, please, or research it or something, please. I guess it's gonna stay like
I think A nice individual, Richard, Summer of them.
It's all [address removed].
My friend wanted to ask about published like a puppets could put in a dance center. I don't know if you say what's right. you know, a kind of company could get a data center for their their entire Grocery chain and within Pasco County.
Um A few weeks lower. Told a friend that I only wanted to use AI when when it was absolutely necessary because it uses too much energy. You have to use AI to defeat your enemies. As I thought about it later, I imagined what it would be like if everyone on earth used AI to defeat their enemies or to simply compete. Wouldn't that likely mean massive amounts of land use to build data centers, massive amounts of water used to cool for cooling, and massive amounts of fossil fuel fossil fuel use? I heard that you
shouldn't demonize AI because some uses of AI are beneficial, but how much of AI is used for unimportant things? or information that can be found in other ways. What I want to stress is that it is an AI alone that should be. Recognize the is the cumulative impact of everything that is deteriorating Biosphere. I read that the 2014 Holmes surprise many book that's a sixth extinction by Elizabeth Pulper. If there's been five mass extinctions in Earth's history, the sixth mass extinction is occurring right now and is being caused
by humans. The problems I remember from the book are habitat loss, habitat habitat fragmentation, climate change, ocean ocean acidification, and exotic species introductions. AI can choose to all accept one of these problems if possible used as And yet energy source. Regulation is necessary to protect people from their themselves and others. Comparison, a perfect example are C cup loss. We are required by law to wear seatbelts. The harms large corporations
do now and into the future are and will be just as real and more serious than the harms caused by not wearing a seatbelt. But these corporations, including fossil fuel corporations and other industries, are not adequately regulated because of their political power and influence. My friend's statement about defeating your enemies is the age old story of humans striving for wealth and power. Will hyper competitiveness continue until it ends in societal collapse? Worldwide societal collapse is possible or even probable as the world's average temperature goes
up to four, five or six degrees Celsius above pre industrial levels. And any increase at more than six degrees Celsius.
Please help me. Perfect. consider all the harms and suggestions of the the democratic environment. Caucus of Florida submitted before. Please impose a five-year moratorium on AFDF centers in Pasco County. So proper studies can be completed. Please stop climate change. Please stop um the sixth mass fixation.
Thank you. Right.
The nice individual is an aggregate, it's gonna help you.
Henrik.
I'm here. Okay. David Miltenberger?
We'd have to get more questions.
Sure.
Good afternoon,
Chairman Mariano. Um I do have some document by the uh uh the board if they would be willing to receive the
Uh by those like summer. Okay.
For this.
Actually. Three minutes you can be up.
I this clock didn't move yet, sir.
You give it some time for ready to receive the No documents. Probably very.
All right, so we may have your name and stress. Thank you. Yes, David
A little to her.
Uh that's addressed I don't from Parkland, Florida. Sorry, Park Land Florida. Yeah it's [address removed]. Yeah, these save pages that are mentioned. It is in the dope range. Uh less very. Yeah, I have and I have two more. Is that vacant or one of the existing? It's a vacant site. There uh what I delivered, they're just handed you all. The top page is a picture that
shows a proposed small data center facility that's 19.9 megawatts.
There are no residential neighbors, there are there are no neighbors. It's it's interstate to one to the left side to the west. There are no neighbors around. It is an industrial Right for
Confirmed that the water usage of such facility would be approximately 300,000 gallons per year of potable water. Which is less than most car water. Hope you know.
Burst uses. There are frankly a lot of new inventions and technologies that have been created. And then allow it to use much, much less resources. And then has been talked about. We actually fully, fully support much, much of what has been talked about today related to large data center companies. We are not that. Um
My voice.
And uh remember the community here with with what you see nationwide and what's going on with hyperscaler taking up all the resources. Again, that is not us. We have a beautiful perfect site here that already has the right. Uh we can certify and promise and swear at whatever you want us to do. To prove that we will not be using water, but ninety seven percent of our water can be uh reusable. Um Uh we use our uh Uh low slip go in front of it.
Like zero water. Um and we are not in that terms of this tighting. In fact, we actually plan to generate about three million dollars. Excellent. Okay. We ask for no test. That's that the second correctly. Um so understand is not to stop the moratorium. We are not here to stop it. All I would ask is
The the
county follows what the state has
already done. The state has already categorized a ban on fifty megawatts or more. Do you support that? And we actually want to add an additional
band
of
data center cannot be more than 1,000 feet from a substation. That will further allow your county to make sure no data centers are going in random places around the community. There are very specific places that a data center could go. Following all these other and feel free to add language about searching fruiting water. Noise, power, et cetera. Happy to answer uh. Whatever questions you all have.
Bit more about the water usage us. Said three hundred thousand gallons a year. And would this operate 365 days a year? Yes, sir. It would operate 365 days a year, and that's potable water. So the total total water, which includes sewer, which we can take as much reclaimed water as we need, it is about 10 million gallons per year for a 19.9 megawatt facility. So potable water, which is what most people care about, is taking their shower, taking their baths. Literally can be less than half a million gallons.
have enough to supply the needs of our own residents, right? Say
that there's no concern there.
So
really so you're saying that you really need 10 billion
gallons.
And we can use it for multiple sources, yes. Yeah, just like develop delivering reclaimed water to your site, that means that's not going to the resident's site, which means they have to use more potable water. So it's still kind of the same. I'm not here to mis misread mislabel the facts. We've got pot of water and total water seed. So total water usage is 109 ounce per year for an anti-way.
Is the statement.
Meaning I'm gonna need ten million gallons every year, or am I taking this ten million gallons and I'm re reusing it over and over and over and I only need to top it off?
to the tune of half a million gallons once every year, once every two years? Or am I actually burning through ten million gallons of water
each year? You're still utilizing that yeah, you're still usel utilizing that much water per year, uh every year. And that's way down from what it was before. And obviously typerscalers from you know a couple years ago, these incredible crazy numbers that they use. That's before they even got to closed loop cooling, which is what it's so if it's a closed loop system, then what's where's the water usage coming from? A lot of it's evaporative and then uh uh Some of it we still have to blow off some off the top, but I I can certainly get you more answers. I I would uh sir, I
am not our engineer. I'm not engineering. What's what's the land usage
for this? Uh thirty acres.
This I mean this gives us a lot of color for What we're discussing today. So I appreciate the information. Of course.
Yeah, we're we're not against uh you know We're happy to see people, you know, stopping the you know overuse of water and power and all that stuff. We just propose that our site is not too bad.
They had ten billion gallons a year. About twenty seven and a half thousand gallons a day. What size water service you would think? Uh I don't have the brown cancer. I know that is still less than our golf course.
Where? Is there any
of that water that then goes back into the wastewater stream or is that all the paparate? No, there is a little bit, sir, that does go back. I don't have the exact percentage. One of the bottom packets was a little bit bigger summary on water usage. I don't believe it's covered in there how much water actually goes back in. I can certainly get you that info, sir.
Yeah, like I said, I'm I'm not our chief engineer, but I can certainly get our get for people.
With these states large scale. Data definition of the fifty megawatts. Okay. I don't know whether that's appropriate or not. You're saying
you're Pose would use less than twenty megawatts. Yes, or nineteen point nine, which is the amount that REC utility uh has readily available for us right now.
And they can provide that power without any additional, you know, documents or uh uh uh recommendations from from the power utility above and that is a a power that is readily available. And And that power we fed from existing substations or is there any requirement to bring in any
Do I do I have to create a little substation on your property to process that much electricity? No, sir, they said not. No, since we're directly adjacent, you know, ten feet away, then there's and that's partly what makes that site so attractive for us. I see. We we don't see a whole lot of other uses for that site against it's it's against Highway Interstate seventy five and a substation and an industrial part.
uh gigantic inductor apartment we would love to be the first to have. Uh a buyer and a tenant there or a landowner and that
facility.
Yeah. If you're under your nineteen point
nine, why are
you
Suggesting the threshold be fifty, why not? What Mr. Engel suggested, which is twenty. We're happy to suggest 20. It's just a a lot of in a lot of in a lot of ways, counties in different laws are just having an easier time following what's already been coded, which is the state law of 50 megawatts or more. And so in some ways per your law and your counsel and your attorney, sometimes it's easier just to join that number that's already that's already been put into law. Fifty megawatts or more. What would be the impact if we made that 10? What would be the
impact to you?
Well that we need to Obviously we facility could max out at ten when I was. Uh I would I would come back and ask Is that ten megawatts usable by the actual data center computers and servers inside, or is that for the entire site, which includes the air conditioning, the cooling, the You know, the the the water, the other power. So there's there's a there's part of that power that goes towards the non data. The systems which is the cooling, the heating. Let's say probably a pretty significant portion. It's about twenty percent is used towards
towards our hands of everything. So if we have a facility that's nineteen point nine megawatts total, about four m megawatts would be questioned.
We capped at ten megawatts with empty your facility with Happy half the size. Two thirds of the size, one third of the size. Yeah, every question is basically out. You know, forty percent smaller.
So why is your so your facility's nineteen point nine megawatts that because that's what Red can provide you right now, that's simply
You'll You have a bigger operation.
Can the density and denser and how much of our footage? Still we're
That can allow for up to You know,
forty or so megawatts. Just depends how dense we make the racks.
getting the data out. How does that happen?
Does that
do
that goal? Air blood air waves or is this
Mm-hmm.
Fiber optic cable. So how does that happen?
Address. And is that Is that type of facility there and available? We would contract with fiber companies to make sure they bring we would we're we're uh uh agnostic to to the brand so we would have at least two two different fiber companies that bring data in and
connect us to the to the world.
So you might turn sure if that's there. Uh I think the I
believe the fiber's within like a mile. And the fiber companies are jumping up and down to break fiber to the side. So that's not gonna be we don't think it's the issue.
No
broadcast towers, no big issues, no that's right.
The the tax revenue load is equal to
I think your my math to something like twenty or thirty grocery stores is how much we can. We can deliver it again. We're not asking for anything for the county other than The letters moved forward as currently zoned.
It is.
But actually. From that the zoning was approved to have a data center there.
Um so first of all, um Mr. Miltenberger made a statement that he's zoned. We don't permit data centers here in Pasco County, so he does not have the zoning. There are prescribed titled uses in N M P U D, but I don't have it right available to me. Um I alluded because I wanted to be um cordially confidential. I did speak with a gentleman. He uh established a meeting with the Pasco Economic Development Council. I know of this project. Um, I know a lot about
his project because he was very forthcoming. But um We talked about How he could Move forward. We talked about the statement of necessity. If he's, you know, if he's serving something here in Pasco that's good for the the county and it fulfills our Economic development program. then you can go to the board on a state on an on a basis of necessity. So Um that's where we're at now. And uh it's in full disclosure also uh I was told that
there would be 30 employees on this 30 acre property to support this facility.
Let's uh employ an anchor.
Hope Mr. Petos earlier alluded to. data processing being associated
with Employees.
And data centered. Being associated with not having employees.
So where? How are we drawing that line?
Would you like me to set down a a border state?
We're not trying to have a de facto zoning hearing for your project, but your Happy to stay, yeah. Happy to stay. Done. Uh it is actually helpful to
trying to figure out how to make this decision. That's why I asked the questions. I can just tell you, uh Mr. Moody What I was told by this gentleman. At his facility. specific design which is unique to his business business model. We'll support 30. I asked him how many employees would be on situated property, and his answer was 30 employees. He said there'll be engineers. Technicians, security people. And it would require a thirty person staffing.
Right? Yes, yes sir.
Technicians, security, variety of
You said the uh uses in that.
Double branch don't allow for a data center. We don't have permitted data centers in Pasco County and it's not stipulated. I don't P D and P D, but we'll double check that. Well What are you calling him? Well he's a data center. He said he's in the zoning is in place for him. I'm saying it's not. That's our understanding, but if we're saying we just got the site under contract,
What are you calling is is He is a data center. He actually constructs a facility, he owns and operates it, and he sells uh He sells capacity within his data center to to customers to actually rent the space in the uh in the data center.
So what is Amazon Web Services?
Amazon Web Services could be a data center. I mean And and by the way, all these Yelp and all these others, they're using AI also. So it's it's all one con you know. One situation now. They're not separate anymore. This is Part I'm trying to get
at. And here it is. We're going to get into the semantics of what do we call this. Versus this is why I'm trying to get at more of a Performance based.
We can argue all day about what we're doing. Want
to call this, and I'll get 10 clever attorneys that'll come in and tell him, Will you just call it something else to tell Mr. Engle that I am allowed in that zoning district? And What we really need to be focused
on is what are the things that we can see here, spell, taste, touch. Those are kind of the basic tenants of zoning.
Well I I could certainly say with with confidence that Mr. Mittenberger came in to the tomorrow. with a a building permit application or a site plan application, but would not issue permits for that project because it is a data center. Vasco County doesn't permit data centers and hopefully we'll have a moratorium at least to level
I can appreciate that but I've been around long enough to know that there's a nice attorney. But I won't mention his name who will be in the following day to sue you. Sorry.
Prepared for that.
I'm curious who made your zoning determination. You're you say pretty
emphatically that your zoned for this year.
That that's the understanding we had in reading the language, but but we just put the site under contract a a week ago and we were obviously shocked. It took it was a three month negotiation with the seller to get the site under contract. Yeah. It was it was a it was a long uh bout to get the site finally under contract. And then of course we were shocked to hear that you guys are all considering moratorium. uh to ban our use, but uh our understanding was that it was done correctly.
to be an absolute uh approved use for the seller and then the seller broker. question and I apologize because now we're gonna get sidetracked on the semantics. What did she? What are you classifying your use as that you think is approved in the MPUP data center? Why do you think that's an approved use of industrial uh uh industrial use? There are those classifications across the country and call it falls under a light industrial or
industrial use. For the zoning classification.
I'm available anytime if if anyone can be accountable to discuss.
Yeah,
section three, two here is really interesting to look at the different cooling architectures. Um The old cooling architecture that used four to six million gallons per A mega one. Yeah, so Nineteen point nine.
A project and use eight to your hundred. With the old style. Yeah, there's hybrid, which is limited amperes.
Which would use eight to twelve million gallons, so I guess there's still some evaporative. Cool in America and then The next generation that technology is still being developed is a near zero usage of water and a truly closed system. Uh so less than two billion gallons used.
eighteen nine mega button. Right. So it's interesting to see the technology itself there and how it's being developed. Because the other thing we gotta be careful of doing is if there are technological breakthroughs that use Very little water or very little power. at some point in the next six months, which is possible. We don't want to prevent a data center from coming in that really wouldn't have an impact on the environment as well. Yeah, where we may allow an industrial project that uses Millions and millions of gallons of water. That
I had it.
Much less. Oh
We have to be careful on both ends of this cloud thing.
Okay, look at this next one on the list. The last individual I'm going to screen on Sign of Scarin Hangton.
We're opening to one
line [address removed].
This is my backyard. Unlike everybody else here who's been talking, just my backyard. Dovarty stuck two wells just south of my house. It will suck more water.
I've been living here for 68 years. Who put me to go out here now? I'm sorry.
Well that was
the weld? Yeah.
Well, we did that, I don't know, I don't remember the thing about it.
I apologize, I'm a little
the three well feel symmetry.
I'm hard of hearing, I'm sorry. That's okay, it's no problem. I'm just trying to get Irmade be quiet so we can hear you. Okay. How
come then I'm just Just my ad. Okay. You can give me how we want. I've lived in Dayton City for sixty eight years. How many? Were y'all planning on putting yes? In my backyard.
Already. When I first moved there, I'd put my water up against crystal screens water.
About ten years ago. My water turned brown. Due to Arcadian. I went to the Pasco County Water Agency. I said, what's going on? They said you've had a cave in because the water level has dropped. So when my will goes dry. Are they gonna buy me another one? I don't think so. Are you? I don't think so.
I applaud this. The only problem I got with it, it should be three years. The growth is just totally out of control. Totally. Not just this, all the growth. You can't stop it, but it needs to slow
the way the hell down.
Three oh one. I used to pull out on three oh one.
Got a car. I can drive all the way into town, eight miles. I might pass one or two cars. Now it's steady. Boom, boom, boom, boom. The noise pollution I can hear at my house now. The chillers are talking about, are you going to use anhydrous ammonia?
If they
use anhydrous ammonia, they're going to have ammonia tanks there. You know what I've known you leak will do to somebody and the farmers out there? I applaud y'all for putting the brakes on. Make it three years. Really study this. And study what y'all are letting happen to us. My long residence has been here forever. I've been paying
taxes for over sixty years.
Yeah.
Hill.
Yeah, we have a Take everything into consideration so we can make a
Mark the same.
Another clear. Land jerk to see.
You got up? Figure out all the logistics. I understand that. Make it three years. Give yourself time to do it
right.
Okay. Lands here. Make sure it's quite the
pre-medished for the timeout.
Is there anybody else that wants to say something
not what we've already heard about? Yeah.
Yeah, there's
Good afternoon, gentlemen. My name is
Ava. Good afternoon, gentlemen. My name is Abel Mark and I live at [address removed]. First of all, there are mixed up concerns with regards to empty buildings that data centers came moving into. And I'm going to ask the sheriff's office because I knew that they do infrared speeds in the area in order to locate row houses and stuff like that, that they expend a lot more energy, thus the energy is deductible by infrared. Yes
or no? Oh I You don't know. Okay. Well, um I know that a lot of when they do when they do grow to screen. When I do road house grades, um a lot of times they they have technology where you can buy a helicopter and stuff like that, but they can um look at extensive heat source um heat radiation. Um and I know that um in order to operate something that is not permissible or hasn't been approved at property, that that could actually be integrated into kind
of that same scenario. And so it is detectable. However, I would not look at permitting as a way to mitigate and control these things because you Anybody can come in. I come from a contracting background. Anybody can come in and and and they do it all the time. They put in illegal plumbing, they put in illegal electrical, they put in illegal roofings. Nothing's been permitted. And you know, next thing you know, whenever they're selling the house, you have all these permit violations or code violations, whatever. So I don't think
that the permitting process is okay to police, um, whether or not not a a data center has been or a building has been conscripted for the use of a data center through. So those are just two food for thoughts. I'm going to go to my um Financial dialogue. The gentleman who discussed the process for researching the effects of data centers focused primarily on obtaining information from those persons and those entities that
would or could profit from the approval of data centers. So what he was talking about is he mentioned the companies that are that, you know, looking at their their um uh analyzing their data and all this kind of stuff. During the research. Period, I recommend spending as m as much time discussing pros and cons with residents and officials of those counties that already have data centers. That was not mentioned in this gentleman's dialogue. And also those who have extensive knowledge of
our so scientists and such and organizations that have extensive knowledge regarding our aquifers. And those who have extensive and dedicated significant amount of energy to researching the effects of data centers on their environments. Principally those scientists and those organizations who are not directly or indirectly associated with those who would monetarily benefit from lifting the moratorium and allowing data cent uh data centers of Pasco County. It seems like
common sense, but you know, we mentioned here earlier that um that the state is doing their own um They're doing their please, just a minute. The the state is also doing their own research. We all know that there are other corporations that can be under the guise of their corporations. What I think it's very important to always remember to look beyond the surface to see who is who is responsible for providing that data. And then
also one more thing regarding when you make a decision about the zoning, when you're ready to go through with updating. The L D C I highly, highly suggest that it's not a full allowance, that there should it should only be under a zoning variance, looking at a zoning variance that requires the public for them to have public meetings and to have public input. And that way, no matter what, the public still has that opportunity
to weigh in and you always get a true response. From your constituents and from the citizens of Pasco County. Thank you for letting me speak about your time. I really appreciate it. Thank you.
And so I want to comment with what you mentioned before about enforcement. It would probably fall more under code enforcement or something like that. And Code enforcement keep in mind folks, code enforcement can't be everywhere. So it really relies on the citizens that are nearby. So if you see something, you know, that's that's what you're Uh mobility as a citizen to be able to report things like that to code enforcement. It will just be.
They're not so good.
Well trying to answer.
Make sure.
I don't know it's not Nintendo so I should have something else. Um one of the first
things I need to name the address first. the name and address and we need the number things. Morning, I have you. Hi Happy Sorry. Um my name is Timothy Hellwing, and this is [address removed]. Um So my suggestion was on the wording for the moratorium. uh you were debating uh how do we define like uh uh uh what is this thing you want for see you mentioned like a yelp coming in maybe you're okay with yelp coming in but not like the big megawatts and then you were like well how do we How do we set
Do we divine it based on new ones? Um, I'm a software engineer. I work with AI, I train AI to every day. Um, I would suggest that you change for If you remember any data center. They use this same D chip, applying D chip. If you if you dam, those ships are primarily designed to send D operations. All your problems are gonna go away with this. Um
It's GM uputing, hard disk storage, nothing that uses currents to connect a lot of power, which we are very concerned about.
So you give a little bit more definition. Yeah, so that's too technical. Yeah, so whatever one's familiar with, the most familiar ones are gonna be NVIDIA.
SIMD stands for single instruction multiple data, it's a special type of compute where you can Have a big Math like that, they tend a whole bunch of numbers at once that all go process in one single operation. This is not type of Processor that exists on your phone. or your computer or you know, most class-based editors they have like oh maybe a little bit of that to augment. That's not the majority of the compute. The big stuff that's going in is just
So I was trying to get into my But uh if you ban that to ban these types or process it's a class of processor. Uh I think if you could just add that to your moratorium I think that'll make it Right clear.
Going spanning all. Okay, this answer is equal. Thank you, thank all things and see this kind of chip. Well the ones we're talking about.
earlier question are there any
Things like a school district.
Yeah. Thank you.
From Yeah.
is going to that kind of compute, something like that.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, right here.
That's
that's helpful.
The issue in in my own mind isn't that they use if
you're
no the issue with my homework is they use the skin. But yeah, you use So much electricity with each ship. But then draft everybody else's a lot of queries.
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I understand since you combined a good threshold connect route just operating another alternative consider is super that.
Thank you very much.
I can Ron
McSon.
I
was at [address removed]. Retired media specialist, tech specialists going to support. The use of technology and AI, I use it all the time. But I think you guys were probably all caught a little flat food that there's already someone. That is great this. And as a Pasco resident who drives every single day up now fifty two and I watch that grid that keeps getting
published with how many And MPUDs are a window down to the easy. Fifty two and we drive by and we see the little pack stations. And then I'm thinking Oh my gosh, somebody already got that far. What else is happening up in the gap in fifty two? Are there more? Yeah, sitting there thinking they And yes, I do understand the county is saying nobody has been issued. Um for a data center. Look
at how far we got and then look at what's already out there. It is gone. Like another one? To repeat. I don't know. I remember very clearly When the industrial park fifteen um twenty one Was able to get water. Shit after that. They said there wasn't enough. for them to be able to supply the utilities, to supply the water up there. They have to go to their own wells. And so I watch
up and down 52. And I watch all of these substations and all of it's being sold for housing and I'm thinking Polling that butter. But apparently. There's a way to do this. And slip it by everybody. Nothing hasn't happened yet, I get it. We're gonna keep talking. But I just wonder what is the sitting record like you know? Who wants to speak one, yes? Who's already been buying Land O' There's substations,
there's plant. I don't know. We'll be watching episode you guys watch. We'll be coming back.
I can Is there anyone else? We got one lane too, probably.
Oh closed over to the right as well. Oh, okay.
Could you take an address, please?
Thank you very much. My name is Christine Rowland. I live at [address removed]. It's one. Um, I'm speaking as a private citizen, but I'm also the president of Haskar Audubon. And um in that capacity. Uh I just want to say how this current drought is affecting our wildlife. Um Well one of the You could see it cruise lake is dry. I was just not like And
Uh We're noticing just anecdotally with uh we have 45 Bluebird boxes. Testing boxes. Uh many of the bluebirds this year the net their eggs didn't even hatch. And this All right, all right. Coordinator thinks is because of the draft. So nature is suffering. So I I think we're just like the people with the wells. We have to be stewards of nature. And um approving
something that requires so much water at this time seems Terrible. So I really support the moratorium and I I do hope it becomes permanent unless something that is truly more efficient comes into play. But I'm also concerned with all I'm reading about data centers, that often things are approved with the understanding that there will be a certain water usage and electricity usage. But what actually happens in real life is a little bit more than a little bit.
And it's only when The power of the shower. it disappears the community finds out what's really being To take him from the divide data center. far greater than they stated they would do. So I really hope that there are some checks and balances here. And yes, please, Mr. Moody. Watch the language so things don't get slipped through. One more thing that concerned me finally. I was reading a piece in consumer reports on data centers and I read that so often
uh communities only find out that something's been approved long after it's been approved. And that's because of NDAs. that data center operators Uh uh Making the local official sign. You know, disclosure agreements. not to talk about what they're about to do. So can we have some language that says no NDAs about this, that we will be transparent? Um I I think that would be very helpful. Thank
you.
Thank you very much.
County Attorney. When I went and looked at the statute, there appears to be some language in the statute. Addressing. Non disclosures. Of these things. I just wondered if you could hear this collection.
And then have to look up the language of argument to actually level. I'm just going to realize the whole section of the statue
that talks about that.
Mm-hmm. I believe that's FS277. Um, it does allow a one year uh non-disclosure in the event that a project was coming in and requesting incentives. Our office in the county, uh specifically our professional team. We don't enter into NDAs. On occasion We get a confidentiality request from the Pasco EDC. under that statute and then we honor it that way. Well we don't we don't
under the
statute. Yeah, this one's addressed in
the statute.
Oh okay. Okay. But we have I just want to say um without hesitation, we do not have any NDAs on file. With anyone who's and especially not a data center user.
Thanks very much.
Thank you.
Uh I think somebody else had their hand up. Yeah, you. Okay.
Good afternoon gentlemen.
My name is Matt Rhymes. I live at [address removed]. Um I have a lot written down here. It seems like we've gone through a lot of this stuff, but um I want to just make a comment that um But data center is a very encompassing term and I appreciate that we're trying to figure out where we're drawing lines here. What I'm going to talk about here is hyperscale data center. Much of what you're talking about, say on the news, is hyperscale. uh data centers.
I do want to address the fact that What I've been hearing is is, you know, oh, warehouses. Data centers are not warehouses. There's no possible way that a data center can be mistaken for a warehouse. It looks like one from the outside, but that's about where it is. So the fact that you could even You either turn a warehouse into a data center easily or if a data center goes belly up sometime in the future, turn it back into some sort of commercial space is kind of a misnomer. Um
Many of these large-scale facilities are specially built hardware applications, as was mentioned earlier. The huge facilities that are um filled with NVIDIA H200 shifts. So also my questions, I like the idea of um you know looking at the 7D ships possibility there but also looking at um you know What is the use case for the data center specifically? Is it for You know, moderating and training large language models, or is this
for specific AWS services and what AWS services are those going to be leased out to the ultimate client of that data center? I am speaking from almost two decades in technology, cybersecurity, data privacy, and cloud computing.
I did have my Um John affected earlier this year from quote un quote AI. Type stuff. So Um But I would uh like to also bring to your attention that closed loop cooling systems that are being kind of used as a panacea for you know open loop or or cooling tower type systems. Also require a lot of biocinites and glycol and things like that or be added to the cooling system in order to be able to work.
When those anti-corrosives, basically N-3s for your car, are drained for maintenance on the system, those need to go somewhere too. So if we have an influx of data centers that come in and are using that technology, do we have facilities available? to have all of that's, you know, the the that glycol based cooling um antifreeze essentially uh go to a place and be processed safely likewise in the event of the spill How is that ecologically going to impact the area as well? That's
all I have the time for, but uh in conclusion, I guess I think that the cost is uh right now too much. It's too great to execute right now without further considerations and controls in place. So I would like to see the more joint advanced thing.
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Okay, we need your name and address.
Magdalene Zap, [address removed]. Uh, I'm a mom. I have no child ten children, so
I'm just I'm not in here in any professional capacity or anything. So what have you made in here? Some of them are older, so it helps. So I just wanted to say like I'm very much in favor of this more moratorium and I'm really happy and glad that you guys are looking into it in such depth that you are. I don't know. Just because I'm not as up to things as I would like to be. I don't know how Pasco County works with doing referendums. Ideally, and I know that y I'll try to listen to us
somewhat and our input. But ideally, I personally would prefer if they would put a moratorium on it till such time. that it could go to like a county referendum and then the locals we could all vote on whether or not we actually want these in our county. Um Uh uh. And Uh and I know you were mentioning about um trunning. configure it so that you're using electricity as a way to cap it. But theoretically, could you not use water usage in the same
way? Which means that obviously it would affect like other businesses. Um but considering water is such a concern. Then Theoretically, maybe we could just cap on how many businesses that you know use excessive amounts of water. you know, could be approved instead of just going by like using electricity or something. Um And then the other concern I had was uh Bad. consumers are protected from Um please. uh AI data
center investors are willing to take advantage of us. I d I don't want to be in a position of having a Um
I just don't want to be like taken advantage of as a consumer. A corporation. Right, is that
working?
Okay, thank you very much.
The one. Oh. Okay. Why
don't you come on up front so that we can be ready for you?
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Yeah.
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worries. Okay.
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Sindy Backl.
Then you can wear mic down where we can hear you.
Oh yeah, I'm sure. Sorry. It it's discrimination. But anyway, um [address removed], War Europe I am a lifelong Pasco County resident. I have moved three times. Or Development and Like but there were things that were not brought up that I would like to bring up. to you to your attention.
Okay. They everybody talks about electricity. What they don't realize is that Yeah. Natural gas. provides much of The electricity. And This would require these data centers would require Up to forty percent more natural gas. To be used. along with electricity. Okay. The
other issue is Um I have I I know this because I know the gas side of The utility companies There also have been serious health issues including vertigo Penny for These things don't go away. The other issue is Pasco County's Rules are not up to date. And will need to be up to date to align with The
newly Um enacted federal legislative laws. Better. Be worked on still. To protect the environment. The human life, the wild life. Of Pasco County. Um, I did find another eight hundred and sixty-two square mile county in Texas. Which Um absolutely. Uh they did the
moratorium and then they finally decided She vote against it and it didn't happen. Um, the other things these thing they do is they run 24-7. Um they run fans. And the Dust Bowls. Or ninety two. This is the sound that you hear 24-7-365 with these data centers. That's
very loud and Um sure. the uh deputy that was here can attest to that. I was a paramedic for 15 years of my life, so I know how loud sirens are. And This noise alone is enough to not only cause anxiety to humans. But it also causes anxiety to Livestock. I have four
horses and Um right now just low flying planes are Affecting them. So I just wanted to bring that up, but we need to think about The natural gas use along with the electric, and it and it already says that both grids would be pushed to the max. And I do know about Florida gas transmission. Um my husband hat happens
to be The instructor for Digo. The gas out of the company before everybody wants to Get rid of me for solar. I have nothing to do with that. But That that's it. I just wanted to bring those new points up.
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Um okay, my name is Katie Wood, [address removed]
not accept a child. That's a child.
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Thank you. So um
I'm trying to figure out how to
sort this. So I I agree with a lot of that reason. I'm not going to repeat it and I'm going to go over it. But my problem is the data collection. So I'm gonna practice our cleaner specialist performing. large hospital sits that's the volume having published in research. So I had more questions about the research part, just like the lawyers did on the definitions of things. So I understand that the state is going to run their own Research. and present that and I know some people want to bring that to us to
just have us use those. My questions are who's running the data? Who's paying for the data? Who's interpreting the data? I have so many questions about the data on where it's gonna come from because from the data that we have right now per minute. It's um quantitative and not policy from the people that live in the areas that have data centers is it's terrible. Um for many reasons that everybody's already talked about. So my concern is It takes a long time to get research going, especially at a county state
level. And we're only gonna give ourselves six months to get that research come on, getting committee, get it all set up, get the data together. analyze the data and then decide from there or we're just going to go with state which concerns me for lots of reasons. Um, so I would just ask that if we could somehow extend. The moratorium, we know everybody else has said that too, but I just feel like six months isn't enough if we can come back.
I'm sorry. Oh, excellent. Okay, good. Perfect. Sorry, I got it. Yeah. Yeah, it has big one. So call months as well, I mean that's free, but we call them. States, the counties from so someone's just asking that we just choose our data, where we're getting it from, who we're getting it from, and just analyzing it. Before we make decisions on anything, just because that's my realm of the world, and I won't keep it any longer. Thank you so much for letting me talk because we have today to be here today. Thank
you so much. Good.
Okay, is there any remote?
Any quote? Make sure they can only have any further cardinal.
Okay, I'll I'll just I would like No staff. That's an answer to the question I raised earlier about Mm. Already still up so Is there a
threshold we can
look at for accessory use?
Yes, sir. That's why I'm up here at the Rosterum, David Abel, economic uh well, planning, development, economic growth. We do not have a number. It would be arbitrary and uh it would be not professional of me to even give you a an arbitrary number. Well we don't have it. Um I would I would just say, you know, the idea of uh an empty warehouse. uh being converted uh with subterfuge as a data center is highly unlikely. Uh those data, those warehouses are basically
They have shell permits, there's no improvements inside. They'd have to do more than just get a enhanced electrical connection. They'd have to put in plumbing systems and other things that require uh interior renovations permitting and they would have to have the steel. It's right- it's even though we are a big county with a limited enforcement compliance enforcement staff, it's highly unlikely that could occur here.
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Yeah, it hurts away. Any comments on here that we'd like to make or any
Motions that was happening.
Spook a lot. Well I'll move to approve. Um so we can get the discussion if I can get a second. Second.
Favor?
Well,
The description though. Pavers.
The only comments I wanna make for um Uh so there's there's pros and cons to every kind of decision that that is made out there.
We only listen to what some applies to do. And so again, we weigh those decisions against uh any opposition to that conference. So Um, you know, we don't make plans, we only listen to people that want to plan to do something and then we will uh weigh that against um the impact on community anything leading uh opposition is income from the neighbors. So That being said, there's Uh it's kind of like the um It's kind of like the the telephone. I think we actually have a
an item on our agenda uh to hear about a cell phone tower. Uh But it's also been brought up in the past with prisons or with Wastewater treatment plants, it's all one of those things where we need it but we don't want it in our backyard. Yeah. And um Yeah, I think the data center thing is is another example of that where it's something that uh in one way or another everyone uses um or at some point will use. Um it's something that that is needed. It's it's
I think it's a kind of a modern arms race that's going on between Uh not just within our countries but with Uh I guess.
Um in that uh can apply to our competition internationally as well. And so I think that's why a lot of that race is going on, I think that's why it's
uh exist. Um Then that means uh Um we absolutely have to protect our environment, we have to protect Um The impact of citizens around us, um we need to look at Um things like Cooling, we need to look at things like um Uh self power generation. To talk about the state of things that two was in uh nuclear submarines. So they have their own nuclear many nuclear generating All right. Uh they
do their own design.
data center is actually
Vice versa that evaporated water can help cool the data center. So there's there's technologies that are being developed that will mitigate some of this impact. Um Being um The other thing too to think about, a gentleman brought up a really good point about our Hello. prevents it to hurricanes and disasters that come here. Uh they're incompatibility with data centers. I think that's going Um folks that want to move data centers here are going to have to look at that. I think there's going to be have to be some safeguards
in place in terms of what happens in the event of disaster and how we The other thing we have to consider is advancements in technology. Um so Um AI is going to become a self-feeding monster. It's going to, the smarter it gets, the smarter it will be able to make itself. Um and there's some good things to that. One is There's two things that go into AI compute. It's it's actual processing power, which is your the physical hardware chips, but that there's also algorithm. Which
is a software component to that and And as AI gets smarter, the algorithms improve and therefore there's less reliance on the easy thing. He used to speak me even more with Yes. And that's going to continue to advance. Um, and there's also advances of computing coming through, you got quantum computing. uh completely different technologies that it won't use any of the traditional chip infrastructure that we have now. So as those things advance, I think this is going to be kind of a cyclical thing. This might not be a conversation. It's even relevant in the next five years. Um And
so um If there are these centers built, something else we need to consider is mitigation for when They may have inevitably are outdated. And find out how do we do that? Do we need to consider a A bond of some sort for living The people that Building the data center to say how how do we decommission this and how we can create a round for building. When we use that, so that's just something we need to look at uh as well. Um I think the uh
I do like the idea of a performative definition as opposed to a data center definition. I think Again, we're we're focused on the actual impact um in our power bills, in our uh the use of water in our environmental impact that's the more important thing than trying to just define a data center because like I said, with advanced in technology there's a good possibility that Um there's very minimal impact. Um and you know, uh another user that's moving in a big industrial plant
of some sort maybe have more environmental impact. um than what we're worried about with data centers. So I think we need to look more at the environmental impact as opposed to just a definition of a data center which is catching all of the data press at the moment. So That being said, I'm fully supportive of the moratorium until we get our hands wrapped around this. Um And um But there's a lot of things that we didn't need to consider as we do it. So That's my reason really something wondering, guys.
Thank you, Chairman. Amanda Hill Time, Development Economic Group. Uh I just want to clarify for our um Our notes, whether or not we are going to be changing the language relative to the exemption to strike the language where we previously mentioned located and turn me to a building where such rooms are. That phrase that's included in there. I believe that that was something that was mentioned before. Sure. Okay. Thank you.
Wells an optimaker did not. include that in the motion and language but I think that's why she's asking clarification.
That was thankful. Yeah, sure.
Yeah. Yeah, what's your opinion on the tip?
I'd
be
happy to amend my motion.
If you want to address the school district's concerns, you probably should include that in the motion. I mean I Yeah. My my concern is we could potentially have a building on campus, but it's not Part of the material school. So that's where my telling you that they have some Accessory servers that are not interior to their building. Sure. And there could be other users that Are similarly
situated that It's Okay. It's their server or a computer room, it just it happens to not be interior located within.
It just doesn't happen to be within the same building. So
I think the Hard makes sense to work here
language.
Um
I think the Liam raises a good point. Um I understand Mr. Wiggs points you did about So there is that potential for abuse could I but I'd rather err on the side of Not outline the school district. I was uh
you know, worry about the potential for abuse.
I guess the recommendation is
Okay, sorry. Yeah, to strike the exemption. I'm trying to get that phrase uh
located within the building from the exemption. Okay, I'll amend my motion to
Well the question of training that the school width of the water or is that party.
But that wouldn't accept
a hospital that needs a there could be other users that have the same issue. I don't think it's just a
sport issue, right?
If you wrote it down. A roll of
Yes, abuse it abuse his work. Let's deal with the microphone and try to do this. Mm-hmm.
Abuse is happening. primary issue and I think you
need to
create a moratorium
against the things. Hit over.
They deal with sort of the con
the consequences. Of these centers, number one. He hears this all over the news. People don't point their electricities going up because the data center went. We heard the testimony from just an angle. That's right at the upset.
Unless I say they use twenty megawatts or more. Then it's not a problem.
And
then they're not gonna raise anybody's race. Uh never was a computer house in the building with how much electricity is the thing use. is how much water does it use? Okay. And then That that's that's one of the other big things in the data center is we hear all these horror stories. I'm not an expert in these things, but whether I watch the movies, I hear the horror stories of how much water is being used by these things.
Think you should be looking at. Captain Water uses it. And I don't care whether it's a data center. Or whether it's a skirt mark.
That's that's what I
was gonna add. It's more about the impact. We don't really care if it's the data center, we care about the impact on the water usage and whether it's the water. It's it's the power, it's the supplier, and then we hear about the noise. And then the case. I don't think it's the noise coming from the computers to settle but I think that the noise component is the Secondary power that the same generators that they have
are actually some of these data centers are actually hungering supposedly generators.
So
water usage and if they're using their own generation. It would be the efficiency. Right. Yeah,
be able to quantify each one of them. Well we would we would be concerned about you can quantify them yet, because we just don't know enough about it. Is to say that they can't use certain amount of water or they can't use a certain amount of Yeah, but uh in the the only thing we know that they've talked about qualifying as the mangawats. This is a Planning Commission, we would be considering some of those same impacts if it was a large scale industrial user that was coming in. We're gonna build a manufacturing
plant that uses a ton of water, uses a ton of energy, creates a lot of noise, creates a lot of emissions. We'd be looking at some of the same things. Really that's that's what you know. th this discussion is about is an MP.
It's just one of the cable.
It would be to recommend a twelve month temporary moratorium. That's where we are recommending the body, not the final decision making authority. So that recommendation becomes open. A recommendation that the board look at performance standards is a staff.
And there's my P D. Yeah, yeah. I think you get the the corruption problem. It is it's actually.
Just
ten times the amount of water the data scroll. Yeah. So Well you do have a notice apparent issue because
the
The
word it's before you It's limited to you. The fact of the data science. Right. So that's they'd have to If you're going to expand it beyond data centers, that's gonna require effort.
Probably. It's limited to eight of computer processing facilities could use as much electricity, as much water. Bayonet Po
With the X.
Well, yeah, yeah, it's
So we have another One of the latest. There's plenty of time for the scam to do a little bit of research. Well you can find the dead number the most basic numbers.
And then those are gonna change.
Okay. And then I have actually makes
decision to get on this proposal. for the ACM talk about whether nineteen point nines is appropriate or You know what I mean? About the close group
that the water are actually. Clarified.
Yeah.
Don't want somebody to be able to come in here through calls.
All something something else can get to sin. I can tell you right now there's a lot of creative warriors in world that we'll figure that out five minutes after we insurance it's here. And I think that if it's in here and guarantee his will. And you're going to hear from somebody. Claiming that claim is allowed in that or that use is allowed in the M P D. Yeah, yeah.
Just a fine.
Stop it.
I think you put the two tests. Yeah, it's different.
But
that's that's a
fine thing. I've talked about this for three hours or fifteen minutes. Oh yeah, love it. Like you sat here and listened to something that all these people were here in support of Okay, we done. But we sit up here and it sounds like we're debating. components of what should be in the ordinance that we want the moratorium to allow us time to establish. Can we not just move forward with the moratorium and What? There's people that lot know a lot more than us about this stuff moving forward.
Yeah, so If it's not worded
from. Well. We we can sit up here till t till guard if you want. We can talk about it, but I don't think we're gonna come up with any answers. Certainly
no performance. Well as a recommended value that we can recommend that that comes up. But that that's true. that that's considered before it goes to final vote. So You know, we can absolutely approve it and say, hey. You might want to look at this before you make a final proof. Again, we're just a recommended body. So Oh. State that you learned that I see
A large scale data center and a large load user is a hard to make a lot of information. That's right. But the still be primarily contained electronic equipment. using the process storage and transmitted digital information with based reset structure. Or facility within the larger structure to use as far as both equipment to make you in the proper condition. the operational electronic limit. So I think the ads have It's broad.
And that's my point that we cover the server this case definition would cover a server room
at the back of your office. And we provide detection language in the language for the moratorium. And we've also given the out for somebody to come talk to the board. Is that not correct, David? David?
So for necessity. So we've we've covered all that.
Uh I don't know. Yeah,
I mean the crossing question is it is Well you know easy this book before is it you know at what cost what what's the actual beneficial reset? So we're talking all around that. Performance criteria, all that, that's exactly what works. talking about and it's you know how do we bring this down for a landing so that we can Allow David's team the twelve months and if twelve months is not enough then we'll you give them another twelve months.
Yeah, I think you put out on it. It's just that this is the asterisk. To to the approval. This is the abstract of, you know,
this is what we think you should look at as well.
Well, I very much I very much agree with what Danny's saying I
can't. What and so we water popping, but one thing you want to lemn.
Well well you know our I think our Dude, yes, too. Make a motion to approve the moratorium. I have a question. Well, can give us a give us the opportunity to do the research necessary so that we can quantify these items. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's the way we need to go. We all know that we wanna have a I think we all agree there's no question about the fact that you want to have a Pretorium. Matter of Yeah. What? items
that we want to have any overall ordinance would be. Finding up the same dis decision about it. And none of us, I don't think. And now but in this room. Has enough information really. Give us answers to that. Let's share with motion seconds. All the questions. That was a discussion. Well well the the motion we have on the table is not about extending that. What would you have I'll amend it to to uh
remove the language regarding it's incidental correct or entire link.
Yeah.
Mandela, do you have
the Yeah, so we could Talk about the language or removing.
Language of the exemption.
When they're stuck on the screen. Yes.
So I think you'd be los you'd be really increased. That that's section three. Cool. Yeah.
Located internal to a building.
Okay. So strike that located internal to a building.
Yeah you're you're making a motion to move the motion. Yeah to include the moratorium subject to making that change. Correct. It's correct people signing that motion.
Perfect.
We have a motion and we have several
seconds.
Favor of the motion signified by saying aye. Pose like sign. Right, question carries. Have a mark or
recommended commission.
You can clap now, it's okay.
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